[setup] Commandless Chain of Command
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[setup] Commandless Chain of Command
the dream of fixing chain of command is not dead. and since i see the micro queue is kind of empty at the moment...
if nobody yells at me and tells me that this is a horrible idea and that i should delete my mafiascum account and never come to this website again, i am probably queueing this sometime soon-ish. a sanity check would be appreciated, though.Last edited by Datisi on Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:29 pm, edited 7 times in total.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Datisi
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1-shot gunsmith feels like a way too polarized role wrt usefulness for town and scum. slapping an ascetic onto it fixes it a little bit i think?I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Datisi
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"why don't i try to balance and de-swing one of the most unbalanced and swingy micro setups," said datisi
adding lazy to jailkeeper and roleblocker, putting a 1-shot loyal vig in the game, and also babysitter? lmaoI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Datisi
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yeah, probably. i would like another gunsmith-positive role, though. is 1-shot neap instead of the vengeful too strong for town?I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Datisi
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loyal vengeful, sure
but rolecop is muh gunsmith false positive >_>I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Datisi
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i will remove it if isis thinks it should be removed because isis is smarter at mafia than i amI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Datisi
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hmm, maybe
is 1-shot neap too strong for town, though? the vanilla cop seems decently like a downgrade from the rolecop, which i'm pretty eh onI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Datisi
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i thought of detective, but it feels like a second tracker, except one that can almost get only guilties. also i don't want a lot of roles that go too high up in power once one scum is dead, i'm still pretending like i know things about balance and swingI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Datisi
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i bullied isis on discord and she told me that 1-shot neap is prob fine so we're yeeting that inI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Datisi
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is the game that unbalanced with the possibility of scum getting a power role?
i was thinking about making a rule where the pr assignment is rerolled if both scum land a pr, since that sounds pretty brutal for town, but then i decided against it as it would then conftown the other two prs if the scum one were to flip. but if the game is that scumsided, maybe that would bring it into the right direction?I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Datisi
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hm, i see. what do you mean by make the information factional? inform scum what pr(s) were they "supposed" to rand, or?
loyal can be removed from the vengeful, but i want *something* to make it a bit less powerful, at least something that makes it unable to act in lylo. and 1-shot vig still sounds pretty powerful, so maybe keep the loyal on that one?I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Datisi
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alright, that sounds decent. inform scum of what roles were they supposed to roll, disable vengeful in lylo. and also in mylo?
i guess this slightly buffs the gunsmith for town (since no more mafia doctor false negatives), but also nerfs it since scum has theoretically more room to safely fakeclaim gunsmith positive roles.
maybe i should remove the ascetic from the gunsmith, then?I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Datisi
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aight. thanks, s_s!I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Datisi
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ok, i finally updated the op. scum don't actually get to use those roles, no.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Datisi
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i mean, if i had wanted a non-mech game, i would've ran nightless vanilla
does the mech break all reads and turn the game into townofsalem-esque clusterfuck? if not, i thiiink it's fineI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Datisi
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that's not a bad idea. the first thing that comes to mind is...
if town gets all 3 power roles, scum gets a factional 1-shot strongman or 1-shot ninja - they choose which one they'd want to use and when, and both scum still flip as a goon (to make sure that the game doesn't become way too broken by conftowning all 3 power roles).
if scum gets 1 or 2 power roles, they don't receive them, and instead get a factional informed that tells them which roles were they supposed to get.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Datisi
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oh wait, considering scum *always* flips goon regardless of what they rolled, i can make it so that the power role distribution is rerolled if it happens that scum has 2/3 power roles. so that it's guaranteed town will have either 2 or 3 of them.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Datisi
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though, if a pr-claiming scum does flip, i guess the problem remains that the town is somewhat likely to realize scum fakeclaimed due to their informed modifier, therefore the other two prs are town...I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Datisi
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that's a possibility. i first thought of strongman/ninja since (other than the obvious benefits) that adds more ~ambiguity~ to the validity of power role claims, and also lets scum fakeclaim them more easily, but if that's too strong against 3 town prs...In post 35, Something_Smart wrote:Maybe scum could be informed of a few unused roles if they don't get any PR's?
if town has 3 power roles, scum being informed of 3 random power roles not in the game is also a possibility? i can't tell which one is supposed to be better right now, it's way too late (like i would usually know)I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Datisi
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the above post is a "someone tell me what to do, i am an idiot when it comes to balance"I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Datisi
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after more bullying taking place on discord, this time of s_s, the following changes take place:
- removing the gunsmith and vengeful
- adding a 1-shot friendly neighbour
- changing some aspects of setup generation, read opI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Datisi
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okay, so the first run is over: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=88294
i will definitely be removing the vig from the 9p version.
this is the rough draft from the mod pt for an eventual 13p version:In post 18, Datisi wrote:okay, in this post i will start drafting a 13p version of this game because why not
33/33/33 chance the game has 3/4/5 power roles
possible power roles would be
- babysitter
- doctor
- motion detector
- tracker
- voyeur
- 1-shot cop
- 1-shot friendly neighbour
- 1-shot watcher
- 2-shot alien
- lazy jailkeeper
- lazy roleblocker
- odd-night neapolitan
- universal backup
i wanna wait on seeing how a loyal vig works out this game to tell for sure if i wanna keep it in or not, but i'm kinda leaning on no? maybe potentially include a hider or a vengeful now that there's 13p but i'll wait until this game is over and the mechanically smart people can help me out here. also i have no idea what the gates on the watcher and alien should be but something something first draft etc
anyway, scum is always informed of 2 town power roles that are not in the game. they are also multitasking and can use as many of these as they want in the same night.
if there are 4 power roles in the game, i'd give them a factional 1-shot roleblock, 1-shot rolecop, 1-shot ascetic
if there are 5 power roles in the game, they get a factional 1-shot roleblock, 1-shot rolecop, 1-shot ascetic, 1-shot ninja, 1-shot strongman
i kiiiinda wanna give them a 1-shot rolecop if 3 town power roles to keep the "scum gets extra 2 powers for every extra town power role" symmetryI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Datisi
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yeah, i wasn't sure what gate to put there so
what are other cool scum powers i could put there?I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M- Datisi
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i bullied s_s some more yesterday and the following is what we came up with:
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Spoiler:I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M - Datisi
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