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I’m guessing there can’t be two millers in the game.
@Drew-Sta: I respect the hell out of your fake claim. You link to the miller role says anyone who is miller should reveal that first post. You waited till everyone posted and when no one claimed miller, you took it figuring there wasn’t a miller and you could defend against a cop’s guilty claim. Heads up move! I respect the fuck outta that! Sorry I didn’t claim first post and screwed it up.....- mavsfan41
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It’s either you or me that’s gonna be NK’ed. You’ve now got a 50/50In post 58, Wake1 wrote:OK, so apparently I'm an Innocent Child. I had no choice in the matter on when it'd be revealed.
So basically unless someone can protect me tonight I'm a dead man.- mavsfan41
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My first post was an RVS. Every time I’ve been in a game with a miller, that claim is tricky to deal with as it can be an easy fake claim. My philosophy with miller is that you want to claim before night 1 but not necessarily in post 1. (Also, if you’re not suspicious and a potential investigation target night 1, claiming day 1 I think can be put off. Just my opinion but that’s how I feel about the role.)
So I debated letting this play out, but if people bought Drew’s fake claim it would’ve been so much harder claiming miller later and having it be believed esp since Drew could say he claimed immediately wtf are we getting a miller claim now. Also, I want to see if anyone refutes my claim or how quickly Drew is bus’ed by scum. But now that I think about it, perhaps holding off was the best way to go..... my bad. But I got you Drew.... so.... push?- mavsfan41
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So this is probably going to be a little convoluted but I hope not......
Drew’s miller claim had to come after everyone had a chance to post assuming the miller would claim with their first post. If he’s got scum mates, then he KNOWS they’re not the miller and MUST ONLY wait for the townies to post without a claim to snatch up that role. Here are the low posters:
Riabi. Luca Blight. Saladman27. I’m guessing one is likely scum as Drew can allow them to be low posters and be sure they’re not miller cause he KNOWS they’re not miller. I mean sure, I was in that group till 30 minutes ago and he still claimed (so maybe a slightly hasty fake claim).
As for a list of players who didn’t push Drew at all (and potential scum mates):
George Bailey. UnaBombaH. Prana Devil.
My best guess would be George Bailey but nothing more than a gut feeling.
The rest of the players pushed Drew unprovoked with townie posts which is something I feel his scummates wouldn’t do this early. And it’s too early for bus’ing to commence so I feel comfortable saying they’re town.- mavsfan41
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I’m starting to think that there’s not two millers in the game. The circumstances around the fake claim suggest there aren’t. Drew-Sta was racking up the votes and only then did he decide to claim. I think the fake claim of miller was a “break glass in case of emergency” type thing in which his hand was forced. So that would make sense as to why he decided to fake claim miller with 4 players having only a single post.
Now I feel slightly better about the George Bailey/Prana Devil thing with regards to Knightmare.- mavsfan41
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I’ll preface this with I think you’re town, post 67 picks Persivul over Drew where I feel scum wouldn’t pick this battle or push against a vote for Drew.In post 113, Tanner wrote:Oh, 2 Miller claims. lol that's brilliant.
Though I'd say not to rush with the Day. Mavs, how come you didn't claim first post?
pedit: I'm not sure. 2 Millers isn't impossible, but I guess it's more likely one of them is lying.
By why didn’t you ask Drew-Sta why he didn’t claim miller first post rather than claim it in 79 which was his 8th post of the game? Just curious.- mavsfan41
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@Prana Devil: with a counter-claim, that means at least one is scum right? If I were scum and fake claiming Drew’s miller claim, that would effectively be trading one scum for the miller (drew flips miller and I’m lynched as a liar day 2). That’s such a horrible deal for scum and why would I fake claim a miller to force a mislynch of a miller? Drew fake claimed miller cause he thought he could get away with it. Or else he should just fake claim cop/nurse as a last resort. That way a counterclaim outs the cop/nurse. And he’s trading one scum for a townie power role. But to think scum!Mavs would fake counterclaim a miller to force a mislynch of miller!Drew is ludicrous.
Also, quick note: for Drew to fake claim miller, he needed everyone to post first (to see if they’d claim miller) before he could make the fake claim assuming no one was miller. He was not the last person to post, that honor belongs to Saladman27. So if Drew didn’t fake claim with his first couple of posts but only fake claimed AFTER Saladman27 posted, methinks Saladman27 is town. Drew was also the second to last person to post meaning Saladman27 was the ONLY person left to post after Drew had entered the game. In simple terms, Drew had his miller fake claim ready to start the game. Posted but didn’t claim miller in fear of a possibility that Saladman27 could potentially be a miller.
The official mavs Potential scum teammates as of now are any of:
Riabi
George Bailey
Luca Blight
UnaBombaH
Prana Devil
Honorable mention:
Knightmare (Tanner does bring up a good point)
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@George Bailey: so you’d rather let scum!Drew-Sta off the hook and lynch someone who might be town rather than someone extremely likely to be scum? I think you should’ve just bus’ed him rather than try this damage control plan.
George Bailey/Drew-Sta and anyone have a guess on the third?
Also who said anything about a vig? We might not even have a vig in the game. One of you guys hasta be scum bulletproof for you to believe there’s a vig.
@PranaDevil: I had never considered a double scum miller fake claim. Damn!!!! Next time I’m scum I’m stealing that one. That’s brilliant! Alas, not clever enough to have thought of that for this to be the case here though- mavsfan41
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@Riabi: your 192 suggests lynching BOTH the claimed millers? Wtf? When Drew flips scum (aka he fake claimed miller) wouldn’t that basically pseudo confirm me as a miller? Lynching me next basically rids town of a mostly confirmed townie. By deciding to lynch me after Drew flips scum is implying it’s more likely that Drew and I are both scum fake claiming miller than the more likely scenario that there’s one miller in the game and I was assigned the role.- mavsfan41
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This whole vig should target the miller is dumb right? Drew flipping scum would effectively give credibility to my miller CC and therefore you’d be killing what is more likely to be confirmed town. Let scum NK players who would be suspected town. Also, why aren’t more people voting Drew?
Here’s what’s going on:
1) Drew fake claimed miller (a role that will give a cop a guilty) as scum to cover a guilty investigation believing there wasn’t a miller in the game
2) I’m lying and am scum (vote me if you think this is the cases. My vote count at 0 should tell you that for people who have suggested I’m lying but haven’t voted me. Cowards.)
3) there’s two millers and an IC. (I want this to actually be the scenario cause that would be nuts)
Also, this whole vig theory was brought up by George Bailey as a half-baked reason for NOT voting Drew and suggesting the vig should take him out. I think there isn’t a vig and George Bailey wants a potential mislynch than a Drew lynch as his scum buddy OR as scum together one of them has a bulletproof role (maybe even Drew) so they believe a vig is in the game AND if he targets Drew, the kill won’t go through.
@George Bailey: your vote is on Saladman27. Say you get what you want and Saladman27 is lynched. And there is also a vig in the game. Who do you believe the vig should target during the night?- mavsfan41
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There’s only one way to find out........ let’s lynch Drew. When he flips scum, tomorrow y’all can foolishly debate whether I’m an actual miller or if I fake claimed miller (if you think this is actually the case, please please please vote me now)... or just wake up tomorrow to see my flip when the vig kills me for..... reasons?- mavsfan41
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@Drew-Sta: you’re right. If you do actually flip miller, I’m gonna be lynched tomorrow no doubt about it. I agree with that 100%. I think it’s waaay more likely that you’re scum who fake claimed miller than there being 2 millers in the game. We shall see (hopefully). If you do flip miller (I don’t think this is the case) day 2 I’m gonna be like “so there were two millers in the game, huh” right as EVERYONE votes for me. And then I flip miller as well. And town is like “well oh fuck.” But thankfully I’ll have been lynched and don’t hafta deal with town in day 3 being like wtf do we do now?! My first post in the dead thread when I’m lynched day 2 after you flip miller today will be “whoops, my bad.” Deal?- mavsfan41
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I will OMGUS you so hardIn post 313, UnaBombaH wrote:
So unless I have a conf. on mavs tomorrow, I think I'm going to vote there at the end of the day 2.
Plus he's a good enough player - we will get a lot of good content from him before he's gone anyway.- mavsfan41
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I can’t believe I’m saying this... but might there be two millers? (Full disclosure, I’ve tunneled on George Bailey pretty bad) but his laughable defense with this above quote suggests George knows Drew will flip town and is clearing himself of that fiasco.In post 352, GeorgeBailey wrote:Glad we're on the same page then.
Although, if this flips green, would that change your read on Mav?
I could also see a scenario where George is scum buddies with Drew and trying to push someone else. Even suggesting that Drew survive today only to be taken out by a hypothetical vig is scum enough for him to deflect pursuing Drew.
Idk what the deal with George is but either way I just don’t like it.
I also don’t get why George would say the quote above when it’s all but assumed the case would be if Drew flips scum, I would be the lynch day 2 (I get it but that would also assume me being scum would fake a miller CC which in no scenario would be ideal for any scum player). Lynching me day 2 regardless of what Drew flips has been discussed to some extent and I don’t get it. I flip miller. Cool, everyone knew that and scum gets a free pass.
In conclusion, I’d actually be okay with a George Bailey lynch instead of a Drew lynch but I think they’re prob both scum. Anyone else have any solid read on George?
@George: same question you posed but now directed at you. What would you do if Drew flips green? You voting me? You imply that by Drew flipping green that I’m lying about my miller claim and would vote me right? Is this the case?- mavsfan41
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Your contribution and how you’ve stayed the course. Also cause I’m reading George pretty hard as scum and he seems as though he might know you’ll flip miller and is trying to gain points when you do.In post 357, Drew-Sta wrote:Also, @mav - why now are you considering the possibility of two millers, right at the tail end of the day? What has changed your mind?
Don’t get me wrong, I think his posts also fit if you two are scum buddies.
@farside: yep. I know both of them have mentioned that. I responded to una’s post. Tanner I’m getting townie vibes from and believe his posts are in better faith.- mavsfan41
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Whoops. Missed this, didn’t deliberately dodger this.In post 356, Drew-Sta wrote:@mav - when I flip green, will you offer yourself up as D2 lynch barring unforseen cop information that suggests another scum target?
No I would not. I’m miller dude. If I were to offer myself up, it’d be more of a bluff to see who jumped on quickly for an easy lynch then go after those people. My question to town would be about what you hope to achieve with my lynch? Like sure, you can hope I flip scum but I’ll flip miller. And y’all better have a plan after that!- mavsfan41
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@Drew-Sta: regardless of your flip, it’s gonna be very interesting. Scum and I will play a weird WIFOM form of chicken. Town will indefinitely doubt my miller claim. This puts scum in a weird spot where I’m Schrodinger’s town. Scum can avoid NK’ing me assuming town will eventually lynch me. The longer I last as pseudo town, inevitably town will become more and more doubtful of my role and eventually lynch me. I get that. It’s a tough spot but thankfully I won’t be forced to be part of the group that makes that decision. I’m guessing I’m gonna be safe from a NK for the game as scum will consider me a time bomb to town and won’t bother wasting a NK on me believing town will eventually lynch me. So to sum it up, I expect to be around till enough townies get paranoid to lynch me. Idk when that will be. Maybe it’s day 2 maybe it’s right before lylo.- mavsfan41
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@Drew: I’ll answer your 365 in a subsequent post.
With regards to George:
144, 156, & 158 ALL suggests the possibility of a double miller. This in combination with (144 again) and 150 provides an out for George to NOT vote Drew with the reasoning of allowing a vig to take him out. With the way he was suggesting this, he believes this is the scenario. This is enough for George to vote elsewhere. (Personally I don’t like the one-sided giving Drew an out and omitting how both millers would be hypothetically taken out by a vig. My omission here is weird.)
Now in 352 he’s suggesting that if Drew flips green, I’m lying. This doesn’t make sense with your double miller belief. The above mentioned posts suggest two millers is likely (why you refuse to vote Drew) but here you suggest that IF Drew flips green (aka miller) would farside (who does buy my claim) changer her view on me. This means George believes a double miller if it allows him to not vote Drew but if Drew flips miller, I’m fake claiming meaning there aren’t two millers. Why not allow me to be taken out by a vig like you suggested the same about Drew? Why would Drew flipping town destroy your double miller theory?
The most likely scenario here would be that George and Drew are scum buddies (George’s belief of a two miller setup as a reason to protect Drew) but possibly also George but NOT Drew setting the stage for when he knows Drew will flip town. Thoughts?- mavsfan41
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Day 2, nah. Before lylo, sure I suppose. Let’s see what the numbers are and how many scum are left before deciding what day.In post 365, Drew-Sta wrote:@mav: Do you think, given your future status as Shrodinger's town (BTW, I very much like that phrase), you should push for your own lynch to ensure town does not have such confusion moving forward?
IF you flip miller, my lynch day 2 would put town 1 mislynch in day 3 from a lylo situation in day 4 as days 1-3 would result in mislynches
IF you flip scum, that would give town an extra day before lylo and therefore my day 2 lynch isn’t necessary at that point.
The biggest question I have about the possibility of two millers is: why would scum!Drew fake claim miller? My possible answers are:
1) what I said in 107. You believed that miller would claim first post and when everyone had posted and no one claimed, you thought it was safe to claim
2) you said “fuck it” and claimed hoping there wasn’t one in the game BUT if there was, suggest the possibility of a two miller setup
Number 2 is too risky cause even with you throwing the idea of a double miller setup, you must’ve known you’d be fucked if you got CC’ed. Even if you decided to do this thinking the reward outweighed this risk, you must’ve known what a miller claim would result in. Hell, everyone seems to believe mine (if you think I’m lying, vote now) but still some want me lynched day 2.
Number 1 is the more likely scenario but although I very much believed this to be the case, it seems weird for you to post that far into the game assuming a miller would’ve come forward with 4 players at one post. Too much risk.
I don’t have an ideal reason scum!Drew fake claims miller unless you believed it to be a premature last resort to throw off the pressure you were receiving but at page 5, it seems far too soon. But post 81 is just icky. It seems weird. And now that I think of it, you and George are the same aren’t you? Why does 81 say you’ll be the obv NK but I should push for my own lynch day 2? Wtf?
Both of you have this same theory that Drew should be taken out at night (George saying you should be vig’ed) and you’re saying you should targeted by scum BUT me, I should be lynched day 2.
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Why have you stated that I should push for my day 2 lynch? The above applies to miller!Drew, shouldn’t it apply to me?In post 81, Drew-Sta wrote:Sorry, dead by day two. I'm the obvious mafia kill, and I honestly don't think it's wise for me to try and 'fake it' to simply be a hero. Better to do my duty and help town.
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In post 81, Drew-Sta wrote:Sorry, dead by day two. I'm the obvious mafia kill, and I honestly don't think it's wise for me to try and 'fake it' to simply be a hero. Better to do my duty and help town.
And yes, I am.
Miller!Drew - as the miller, I’m the NK. Don’t worry about me guys
Also miller!Drew - as the miller, mavs you should push for your own lynch come day 2In post 365, Drew-Sta wrote:@mav: Do you think, given your future status as Shrodinger's town (BTW, I very much like that phrase), you should push for your own lynch to ensure town does not have such confusion moving forward?
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@Drea: there’s two miller claims. The issue I have is that you and George seem to have different resolution ideas.
For you: NK’ed by mafia (your 81) or vig’ed (George’s 144 at the bottom). Either way, both are saying no worries about Drew’s miller, night actions will resolve that one
For me: I should be proactive and push for my own lynch day 2 (your 356 and has been mentioned in subsequent posts) and George’s 352 but his is a little more complicated. He pushes the very real possibility of two millers but seems to suggest if you flip miller that I should be lynched day 2. This would suggest I faked my CC and there are NOT two millers which is a clear contradiction from the handful of posts suggesting that exact scenario.
Shouldn’t both millers have a similar resolution? Why should I be proactive in securing my own lynch day 2 but your resolution will come via night actions. In fact, you suggest you’re the obvious kill but me, I won’t be the obvious kill? And the longer I stick around, the worse off town is. Shouldn’t that also apply to you? And shouldn’t you have stated that somewhere? This just strikes me as you made up town reaction to a miller claim then when presented with another miller claim, you seemed to have altered your course significantly.- mavsfan41
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@PranaDevil: let me try to clarify this. Drew’s 81 was the resolution of the miller role. This was when he believed to be the only miller. If/when he is lynched, I will be the only unresolved miller claim come day 2 with Drew gone. Therefore it’s the same situation as one unresolved miller claim. So why shouldn’t his 81 apply to that scenario as well in day2? Instead Drew suggests I should push my own lynch which wouldn’t line up with his “let me be NK’ed by mafia.” In order words, suggesting an unresolved miller would attract mafia’s attention and scare them to target him at night, why then would he suggest an unresolved miller claim push their own lynch? Drew’s view of the miller role and how it should be resolved has changed. 81 was with one miller claim at that point. Day 2 (presumably after Drew’s lynch) there will be one miller claim as well. Does that make sense? It’s more how the single miller claim should be resolved.- mavsfan41
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@Prana Devil: I actually hate that claim from Persivul. It’s extremely easy to fake as scum. I claimed miller and if Persivul is scum he knows I’m not his scum buddy and that I’m likely not fake claiming so he can take a pretty low risk gamble and say I’m miller in an attempt to validate his claim.
As for the night kill, Farside’s death does link to Persivul. In addition to that, Farside did express how even if Drew flipped miller, she would fight against my lynch day 2. With her gone, there’s now less resistance to lynch me and if I’m lynched, when I flip miller, that will give Persivul’s claim more credit. I think the NK of farside might have been twofold as just described. I would vote Persivul but voting someone on V/LA seems in bad faith. So I’ll wait to do so.
I will say, two types of cops with two millers does make sense right?- mavsfan41
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New theory, with UnaBombaH trying to render Wake88 useless, scum doesn’t need to kill Wake88 at all. And maybe never depending on how much Wake88 decides to contribute. Him being unlynchable from a mafia perspective isn’t great as they need the widest range of potential mislynches, but Farside definitely contributed more so she was more of a threat to scum. I think Wake88 sticking around does throw some suspicion on UnaBombaH. (Or I guess they could’ve WIFOM’ed the nurse believing the nurse would target Wake88 making him unkillable.) thoughts?- mavsfan41
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@Luca: your 406, 406, 410, and 415 ALL throw shade on UnaBombaH but you don’t vote him. Why not? Your only vote came via RVS and that’s where you left it. I understand you were catching up but aside from UnaBombaH (who you don’t decide to vote) you really don’t offer much. This strikes me as scum trying to fence sit.
Your 366 post is strange too. You agree with a post that has been heavily criticized for being lazy and has lead players to vote Saladman27.
Outside of 367 you don’t even bother with acknowledging Drew. This seems scum allowing Drew to be lynched without being part of the lynch.
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@UnaBombaH: I was drafting that, posted it, then was like oh shit! Una’s thinking the same thing. Then was like fuck! People are gonna think I just piggybacked off Una.....
I was looking at the vote count and running through ISOs of players with votes other than Drew. Drew was the inevitable lynch, so scum wouldn’t necessarily be on that wagon for him to be lynched. So I want to know where other players were voting and why and then saw his vote and was “let’s see why he voted Prana” and the reason was very disappointing.- mavsfan41
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In post 492, PranaDevil wrote: Also, I note only one kill, so either we have a doc and they protected mavs, or we have no vig (or it's an even night only one, which if this game has two millers, is entirely possible).
Is this weird? First he suggests the doc is on me (why? I have no idea. With Drew flipping miller, I wouldn’t protect the other claimed miller if I was a doc) then he absolutely believes the doc was protecting Wake88.In post 524, PranaDevil wrote:
Plus, any doc role we may have would be on Wake, absolutely no point in risking shooting the only confirmed town role.In post 502, Knightmare491 wrote:There's a lot to do with mafia not killing wake, killing PRs is a higher priority for them. Yes wake can't be lynched and they'll have to kill him at some point but killing him night 1 would be pointless.
Is the first one here speculating who a vig would target (trying to put themselves in the vigs’s shoes) and the other reads like justification of why scum didn’t target Wake?
Why not mention Wake in the first post instead of me? Cause of the target who was killed in Farside. To believe a vig would target her is ridiculous and therefore killed by scum. So only one death with two killing roles would mean I was saved by the doc from the vig which is extremely unlikely as the doc would be protecting Wake88. The adding of me in the first post reads like Prana trying to speculate on a vig knowing they shot at Farside.
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@Prana: I understand that. My issue more comes with you mentioning me being possibly saved by the doctor as that or no vig and then later with the doctor obviously being on Wake88. It just makes the first post look like a potential scum slip of you taking out Farside and later justifying why Wake88 wasn’t the target of the night kill.- mavsfan41
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Why would the doc protect me? They would be protecting Wake88. I highly doubt a doctor would protect a claimed miller over an actual mod-confirmed townie. Protecting me, the doctor might be potentially protecting scum. Protecting Wake88, the doctor KNOWS they’re protecting town.
You even said the same about the doctor in 524. To think they’d consider targeting me is ridiculous. A doctor shouldn’t try to protect a claimed miller from a vig, they should be protecting a mod-confirmed townie from scum. I feel as though you know this. Suggesting I’m alive cause I was protected by the vig feels like a scum slip of knowing you targeted Farcry over Wake88- mavsfan41
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Out of the WIFOM situations you’ve brought up, I find it much much easier to think scum would target Farside WIFOM’ing themselves out of a Wake88 kill and even hoping to target to a PR (or even not being interested in Wake88 at all) then I think a doctor would WIFOM out of a Wake88 target to protect anyone they have doubts about even being town especially a claimed miller.
Scum’s pool of targets last night were very large allowing them to WIFOM more easier out of a Wake88 or maybe even not being interested. The doctor’s pool of saves was essentially limited to player. WIFOM’ing out of a Wake88 save seems so unlikely.
Prana even stated he believes the doc’s hands were tied with saving Wake88 in 524.- mavsfan41
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I will say that George Bailey accepted the possibility of two millers so much easier than anyone else that it felt off. Meaning if he was scum, he would know Drew is a miller as the only players who knew Drew was a miller is Drew and scum. But if he did know Drew was miller, with the amount he defended Drew, the tiny amount of town Cred scum!George would gain didn’t even make sense as a CC’ed miller almost certainly leads to a lynch and anyone on the wagon would therefore have plausible deniability. So town cred for not being on the Drew wagon specifically is a wash. Scum didn’t need to be on that wagon to push a lynch.In post 537, Knightmare491 wrote:@mavs talk to me about your GB read please.
But.....352 and 433 are both weird implying George knew Drew would flip miller. This combined with the fact that George put Drew at L-1 after spending so much of the day supporting the theory of a 2 miller set up with the only real justification for flipping and voting Drew is an awkward post in 350. All the posts mentioned in this clumsy paragraph are clumsy themselves with “i guess, if I have to vote Drew I will, but I think he’s town.”
I’m kinda over my blood lust for George Bailey in pursuit of other targets. He is no longer at the top of my list but still leaning scum.
How do you feel about the Luca Blight wagon? Prana makes sense to myself but I’m having a real hard time explaining it. George would be 3rd I suppose on that list.- mavsfan41
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I don’t know if I’m tunneling too much onto Prana Devil but this is awkward. There’s no really reason to bring this up with the context of what he’s said in the rest of the post other than to slip this in there to play innocent “if I ask about day talk, it suggests I’m not scum or I’d know the answer.”In post 544, PranaDevil wrote: Question to everyone... do we know if the scum have day talk?
I don’t want to let Luca Blight off that easily but I want to vote Prana Devil.- mavsfan41
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@Prana: I figured out why I’m tunneling, it’s cause almost all of your posts have to do with discussing the game set up and responding to other players’ post without suspecting or voting anyone. The only players you’ve voted for outside of RVS was Perisivul and that happened twice. Other than that, you haven’t actually really pushed anyone or really suspected anyone. This seems like a very sneaky way to be a form of lurking with high volume of posts. It strikes me as scummy.- mavsfan41
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I think you’ve got the right idea about Knightmare voting opportunistically, but how do you feel about Panda? The textbook opportunistic vote would be me day 2 after Drew-Sta flipped miller.In post 540, GeorgeBailey wrote:
I think your votes feel very opportunistic so far.In post 536, Knightmare491 wrote:@GB what are you trying to say by saying that I'm being opportunistic? You think I'm opportunistic scum? Then where's the vote?
So far your two votes have been on me and Drew.
And when Percivul cleared me, he had to pick a new target....In post 481, Red Panda wrote: So I have to ask the question. Do we think there are two millers
VOTE: mav
Methinks their “gut” feeling was that UnaBombaH attracted attention with no real reason.In post 546, Red Panda wrote:
I don't know maybe I'm going with my guy here. But I still feel this is scum
VOTE: UnabombaH
Something about them and their iso in day1 just didn't rub me the right way I can have more later.
@UnaBombaH: if Luca/Panda are the scum team, thanks for being their idea of an easy mislynch!
I don’t disagree that Knightmare’s voting patterns are opportunistic, I just find Red Panda’s blatantly more opportunistic.- mavsfan41
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Any thoughts on the Luca Blight wagon forming?In post 578, Riabi wrote:EBWOP: Mavs also brings out a good point about Prana. I'm reluctant to vote for anyone right now before I re-read the game, but FOS on Prana for sure.- mavsfan41
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@Red Panda: Prana Devil mentioned this too in 544, but I’m not entirely sure I would've been lynched today had Persivul not claimed role cop and confirmed my miller role. Entering the day, two people had voted and neither on me (Knightmare vote George and Tanner voted you). Drew flipping miller would actually give more credit to my miller CC. Why would scum!mavs CC an actual miller knowing he’ll flip miller? Voting me is the opportunistic vote sure, but idk if it’s the greatest vote. You can’t push for my lynch for the fact that Persivul cleared me. No one would vote with you regardless of how hard you tried. So you must find another mislynch target which brings me to:
So why did you vote UnaBombaH? The “gut feeling” might be you bread crumbing you’re a cop with a guilty on UnaBombaH but I know that’s NOT the case or you just would’ve got to him and not voted me first.- mavsfan41
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I’m not quite sure I buy this. Although I haven’t voted George, I was pushing that wagon for awhile and he never really OMGUS’ed me. Not sure I believe the reasoning for his vote here is an OMGUS.In post 590, Knightmare491 wrote:
Thank you for scum claiming with this OMGUS vote. I'm the only vote on you, how does that count as a "wagon gaining traction?"In post 540, GeorgeBailey wrote:Both on wagons gaining traction. It feels like you only want a safe place to park your vote. And both are very safe wagons.
VOTE: Knightmare491
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@Popopo: sweet avatar! Also, you talk about the votes on Drew-Sta as where to look for scum. I keep going back on how many I think are there. It’s an easy place to vote and scum didn’t need to be on that wagon for a lynch to go through.
Knightmare’s 630 is strange and reads like scum being forced to give opinions about their scum buddies and giving generic neutral reads vs appear to defend them. I would say both are unlikely to be scum mentioned. Knightmare’s vote on Riabi also makes me not think Riabi is scum. Riabi 577 & 578 made me suspicious of him for pushing Prana but ignoring Luca and Red Panda.
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Knightmare’s 630 references two players, Luca and Panda. How the post was written in providing a neutral feeling on both does seem too much of a fence sitting read. That is because I could see one of them (more likely Panda) being their scum buddy and not wanting to add suspicion to Panda so the neutral read is how to play it. The other one (more likely Luca of the two) to be a more neutral take as they’re not scum hunting. And Luca’s lurkiness i feel is more likely to yield a neutral feel. So if Knightmare is scum, I think that 630 post features forced takes on one of their scummates they are unwilling to push and the other is a cop out cause they’re not actually scum hunting.
When I voted Luca, I thought scum team was Luca/Panda and one of Riabi/Prana but after Knightmare changed to Riabi, I think it’s now possibly Knightmare/Panda and someone else. Still maybe Luca but I doubt it or possibly Prana but Prana seems to be more independent of the two.
I will say that Popopo’s catch up I liked and can’t see them being partnered with Panda. Panda is perhaps my biggest scum read right now, but I want to look into this Knightmare thing more hence where my vote is.- mavsfan41
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@Prana: your 492 rejected the Persivul claim immediately. Then Tanner makes post 508 and then you agree about Persivul in your 524. Why change now? I think Perisvul (being role cop) does provide adequate reasoning for calling a quick day 1 end knowing he was planning all along to check me during the night.
If scum!Persivul was scum role cop, why would he 1) confirm me such as Tanner has mentioned 2) would use his ability to check a miller claim? He would most likely NOT investigate me if he’s scum role cop and opt to gain a better use of his night action. Now that could possibly lead to either us BOTH being scum (I know for a fact that is not the case) OR he was scum claiming I’m what I say to get town cred but again, I find it hard to believe this is the case. It does seem like a high risk gamble for a low risk reward vs just letting what happens happened.- mavsfan41
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Could you please explain your thoughts on Tanner? I know you voted him day 1 (with no real explanation).In post 667, UnaBombaH wrote:I'm getting caught up in theories here, sorry about that.
I still think the Luca-slot would be the most reasonable lynch unless they blow me away with their content today.
Panda and Tanner are next in line for me, but I'd rather want Panda today for being a silly goose.
Also, the amount of people saying that you’re scum I think is just too large a pool and that would suggest you’re acting alone (aka town). I think scum sees you as low hanging fruit and with the amount of speculation that you might be scum, scum can vote here or throw suspicion at your slot at no real risk I feel cause you’re a popular target for suspicion. Eventually I’ll go through the game and see who haven’t thrown suspicion on you and see if I think those players are sorta scummy and they’re your partners if you are scum, but right now I just can’t see you being scum with almost the entire player roster suspecting you.- mavsfan41
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@Una: 225 is the closest you come saying why you suspect Tanner but that strikes me based more off comments Tanner made during RVS. Surely your read has developed more than that. The only other thing I could think of is an OMGUS after his 67 and follow up in 132 asking for an explanation about a joke RVS post.- mavsfan41
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@Panda: they’re not quite the same. UnaBombaH is attracting almost everyone. (Again, I’ll try to come up with an all inclusive list of players who have suspected him via throwing him at the top of their scum list or voted him in a serious way when I have some time.) Luca was getting scum read cause of his fence sitting with UnaBombaH and pushing but not quite voting. You’re getting vibes cause of what I see as exclusively voting opportunistically. UnaBombaH has sorta stuck to the same several people. And you have actually voted UnaBombaH which does read more like you targeting low hanging fruit as scum which I think would be why you would target him.
You also severely mischaracterized Drew-Sta’s late day 1 posts in 370. This strikes me more of what scum would do trying to rush a lynch of Drew vs what Persivul did (which attracted scummy vibes as advocating for a quick lynch). Persivul, if he’s the role cop, would want the day to end quicker so that night he can target me and sort it out that way via having everyone discuss it when he was all but certain to have a resolution at night. That would make sense from his POV as the role cop. Mischaracterizing Drew’s posts the way you did strikes me as more malicious behavior for town.- mavsfan41
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I’m a little confused about Panda’s flip. Their flip suggests Panda was in a day talk with others yes? And if that’s the case, do the people in that day talk thread know each other and are they confirmed town to each other? If that’s the case, where were they yesterday when Panda was racking up the votes and going to be lynched?!?!? Wtf?
Also, looking through the game during the night phase and re-evaluating the situation after the Panda flip, I found a weird post from both George Bailey and Riabi.
George’s is 505. Here he suggested this theory of double miller. He immediately accepted this but in 505 comes out and says he was ready to insta-vote me which is wild. He suggested double miller and when Drew flips, now he immediately reconsiders the theory he was pushing and claims he would’ve voted me had Persivul not come out and cleared me. He then walks this back immediately and votes Riabi for not accepting a double miller theory. I don’t know if I’ve mentions this or pointed this out previously but this one has a hypocrisy paragraphs apart.
I forgot what Riabi post I wanted to point out, but his ISO is strange. He pushes a lynch of Drew harder than Persivul and Drew is his only vote other than a RVS. He seems to fence sit too much for my liking. None of his posts seem original in terms of slinging suspicion and all sorta wagon on someone else. His ISO is worth another look.
My only issue here is that Riabi and George do go at it a little bit and this doesn’t strike me as SvS. I think scum is here but not sure which one. Maybe Riabi for his immense fence sitting. Thoughts?
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