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That's a scum charge, but you don't vote it.In post 48, Drew-Sta wrote:I think you're making conversation for the sake of making conversation and trying to look like you're taking notice of things that aren't really there.
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Assume 10:3. With 7 to lynch, it takes 7/10 (70%) of town to come together to lynch scum. If IC doesn't vote, then it takes 7/9 (78%). So, no, I don't think that's a good idea. This of course doesn't consider busing, but I think the principle applies even in a busing scenario.In post 61, UnaBombaH wrote:I'd be interested in a thing I've never seen or done before.
Feel free to call me a dummy dumb-dumb if it suits you, butwhat if we all agree that Wake doesn't vote for anyone today?
Hear me out - we obviously want his input and reads throughout the day as much as possible, simply because he is the only conf.town in the game so far.
But we won't be able to lynch scum 100% of the time D1 anyway, even if we had three conf.townies.
So my point is, thatwhoever we end up lynching D1, and whatever their flip might end up being, the wagon will only consist of unconfirmed players.
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Yes, but it's really tough to get 7 of 9 to agree.In post 62, UnaBombaH wrote:If we lynch scum, it would be better to achieve the lynch without his vote, right?- Persivul
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We'll see - if it's a Nancy Drew alt she'll eventually go ballistic on me.In post 63, UnaBombaH wrote:Also - is Drew-Sta anything remotely similar to Nancy Drew?- Persivul
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Around 11% harder, and in this game that's significant.In post 64, PranaDevil wrote:On the flip side, we know we've eliminated a town player from the running for how many town we need to lynch (as an aside... if I'm on the phone, my phone typos that to lunch, advance warning) scum, making it slightly harder to do so.
How much harder I'm not certain, and can't be arsed doing the maths for it, but if anyone else has theories on the suggestion I'm up for hearing them.- Persivul
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The difference divided by the original: 7.8/70. Not sure that's the best way to look at it but that's what I did. Intuitively 11% seems low to me.In post 72, Tanner wrote:
How did you get 11%?In post 68, Persivul wrote:Assume 10:3. With 7 to lynch, it takes 7/10 (70%) of town to come together to lynch scum. If IC doesn't vote, then it takes 7/9 (78%).- Persivul
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Huh. I learned it from you the one time we hydra'd. A weak push with no vote is scummy...In post 73, farside wrote:I like your vote, but your reasoning sounds really odd.- Persivul
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Which one, salad or george? George because that's bolded?In post 74, farside wrote:
this ^ guy is also added to my scum reads.In post 56, Saladman27 wrote:
That's why scum would put someone at L-2, to avoid the sus of hammering town.In post 46, GeorgeBailey wrote:
What's wrong with putting someone to L-2?In post 42, PranaDevil wrote:The L-2 is more a scum leaning thing in my mind than a faulty town read.Hammering would be an obvious scum claim.- Persivul
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Exactly why I'm voting him.In post 84, Tanner wrote:Ok, one more question. Considering you're the one sayign we shouldn't be afraid of votes, how come you haven't put one down yet?- Persivul
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You said you need to poke and prod. That's what votes do at this stage.In post 85, Drew-Sta wrote:I’d rather wait to see everyone post. I also don’t feel compelled to yet. No-one has registered as particularly scummy.- Persivul
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Agreed.In post 108, Knightmare491 wrote:lol brilliant, I don't think any setup review mod would have the balls to approve a Normal with 2 millers.- Persivul
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First, he's not going to be there tonight. A 2-miller setup is very unlikely, making him very likely to be scum.In post 150, GeorgeBailey wrote:I still think that if there's a vig, he should definitely be the target tonight.
Second, we don't even know that we have a vig.
Third, a vig should never shoot someone who's easily lynchable anyway.- Persivul
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So you're that sure we couldn't lynch scum?In post 153, Drew-Sta wrote:You can lynch me today if you need. I’m happy to be a martyr if you can’t settle on another townie.
Not a serious question. Now that the lynch is AFAIC settled, everything from scum is wifom. But I thought the way he phrased that was interesting.- Persivul
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If he were "also lying," that would mean zero millers, not two.In post 159, Drew-Sta wrote:I guess why I’m saying that is it is possible he’s also lying.
Look, I’m going to die. That’s fine. But at least consider the possibility of two millers.- Persivul
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Yeah, that's what I was thinking reading that exchange. Drew's the one doing the gaslighting.In post 202, Riabi wrote:Why don't you stop trying to summarize what I'm saying and let me speak for myself?- Persivul
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Drew is highly likely to be scum. He's highly likely to be the lynch. That means that everything coming from scum at this point is WIFOM. In my experience, that hurts town more than helps. We need more votes here.In post 203, Not Known 15 wrote:Drew-Sta (3)Persivul;mavsfan41;Knightmare491;- Persivul
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Scum claim.In post 210, Drew-Sta wrote:When I show up as town, what will be your first response in the game eg what will you look to do?- Persivul
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This is really lazy.In post 248, farside wrote:You are scum!!!!
You are lucky I wanted to play with you this game, but man there is no way I find anything on this page town coming from you.
Everyone learnsinfo is good don't rush the lynchin their first newbie game. I was on Drew before the claims. I'm mostly town read at this point. There's no incentive for scum!pers to rush the lynch here. As said, in my experience, extending a clear wifom situation generally doesn't help town.- Persivul
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I've considered it and dismissed it. Based on my experience with the normal queue, it's very unlikely that there would be two millers. Other people beat me to it, but I actually find a zero-miller scum gambit more likely than that. People do dumb shit to try to win scummies.In post 252, Drew-Sta wrote: Writing this off is both shocking analysis and a clear and identifying statement that you're unable to consider a possibility you haven't set your mind on.
Sure. He makes a judgment based on probabilities - two millers is low probability. That's fine, as most decisions by town in this game are judgments of probability. But, you rephrase it to imply that he's saying two millers is an impossibility, or that he refuses to consider the possibility. That's gaslighting.
Explain why.In post 237, Persivul wrote:
Yeah, that's what I was thinking reading that exchange. Drew's the one doing the gaslighting.In post 202, Riabi wrote:Why don't you stop trying to summarize what I'm saying and let me speak for myself?- Persivul
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Can't argue with something that ambiguous. You do you.In post 253, farside wrote:Well I can explain why everything read scummy that page.
The short version is that it reads fake. Each post come off with empty words and im feeling a lot of buddying coming from you.- Persivul
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Reread it. Slowly.In post 263, PranaDevil wrote:Scumslip.- Persivul
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Exactly.In post 268, Tanner wrote:...no?
Drew basically said "If you cannot settle on lynching another Townie, lynch me" (and implying he's Town)
To which the response was "are you that sure we couldn't lynch scum?" (asking if Drew is very certain today's lynch would be that of a Townie, even if Drew himself isn't lynched)
How the hell do you get "we should lynch you instead of scum" there?- Persivul
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Who's?In post 276, mavsfan41 wrote:Tanner’s 273 & 274 are EXACTLY on point!- Persivul
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No, I'm doing a frustratingly poor job of that. I wish I were doing a great job, i.e. more people were voting you.In post 279, Drew-Sta wrote:You are doing a great job of aggressively trying to get me lynched in five minutes flat.- Persivul
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As said, repeatedly, I see no value in the information derived from a clear wifom situation.In post 283, farside wrote:I really don't like this from Persivul he's basically not trying to figure anyone out and just lynch the miller claim and if drew is town and manvs is town then isn't that more of a scum benefit?- Persivul
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Yes, I do, as I've said. I think the wifom potential actually muddies the waters.In post 288, Tanner wrote:Persi, I agree the Miller claims have to be resolved (and plan on voting Drew today), but do you think there's benefit to rushing it? Since we still have two practically contentless slots?- Persivul
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Er, you could just read the slot's 2-post ISO yourself. You don't really need a recap.In post 321, Red Panda wrote:Hi! How is everyone doing? I'll be reading the thread is a little bit. Is there anything I should be aware of from my slot I just replaced?
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Point is that many of us agree that a mini normal is extremely unlikely to have two millers, so the first was a fakeclaim.In post 340, Red Panda wrote:Yeah nevermind then. A lynch of those two wouldn't help town at all though and just does no favors.- Persivul
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I don't think tunneling is an appropriate term here. I have other scum reads. You're the vote today due to mechanics. When a lynch is pretty obvious, it's difficult to apply pressure to others. That, along with the wifom factor, is why I'm not pressing anyone else today.In post 377, Drew-Sta wrote:I make the statement because I believe you and Pers are playing the person and tunnelled completely on me.- Persivul
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You could gather info by, you know, reading the fucking game.In post 378, Wake1 wrote:Do we have a tally on any claimed roles currently?
I can't really vote, so I can only really gather basic info and question people.- Persivul
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It's in big bold letters in post 2.In post 382, farside22 wrote:@Wake: Do you know when the mod will let people know you are the IC?- Persivul
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Said it before and I'll say it again...What will you do when I flip town?is a scum claim. It's one of the oldest tricks in the book. I used it in my very first scum game here. It didn't work then, and it's still scummy af now. Tomorrow is when we deal with what we'll do tomorrow. Like the vig discussion, it's just a distraction from what's going on now.- Persivul
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Why is that interesting? We should either be:In post 405, UnaBombaH wrote:I find it interesting that Luca feels like scumcasing me here..?
- lynching and moving on (my choice), OR
- pushing players other than Drew
His pushing you is a lot better than all the discussion of what we'll do tomorrow, or what a hypothetical vig should do.
And BTW, his point on your post also crossed my mind at the time. It's a valid point.- Persivul
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There's absolutely no way you get lynched before me. Your flip might validate me a little. My flip and the normal guidelines would make you a second IC. I'd prefer to lynch scum today, but if people suspect the two of us, I'm the lynch today, not you.In post 496, mavsfan41 wrote:With her gone, there’s now less resistance to lynch me and if I’m lynched, when I flip miller, that will give Persivul’s claim more credit.- Persivul
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Correct, and consider my play yesterday. I knew I could check the claim who didn't get lynched,so:In post 499, Tanner wrote:Okay. 2 Millers in a game with no way to confirm either is broken. It gives scum two free mislynches. In order to make this game Playable, Town has to have something to confirm the other Miller. Persi's role fits that. 2 Millers without something like a Rolecop is straight up broken.
- I was very against the notion of the second claim getting vigged
- I knew all the speculation about what we do tomorrow was unnecessary, so I just wanted to end the day- Persivul
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Wake is always useless like this.In post 528, mavsfan41 wrote:@Wake88: I’ve never played with an IC before and looked up the role. The first paragraph does mention how a mod-confirmed IC from the start has fallen out of favor cause it can be boring for the player in this situation. That seems like case I take it?- Persivul
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Yep.In post 549, Tanner wrote:...Why do you people insist on making this game more complicated than it really is?
farside was shot. She suspected Panda/Luca/Persi. Both Panda's and Luca's slots are horrible (I'd argue Panda's more so than Luca, but ya know). We swing there. Persi and mavs are of the same alignment, they're de facto cleared Town, and if (and that's a really really big if) they're scum,it will be obvious later once actual Town PRs start coming to light.- Persivul
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Still useless.
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I just read farside's ISO. I see no PR crumbs, so she was presumably killed for her reads. She scum read saladman. He was replaced by panda. She scum read panda and said she was most confident in that read. Panda looks really bad on page 23.In post 426, farside22 wrote:Scum reads: red panda, luca, knight/persivul.
VOTE: Red Panda- Persivul
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Agreed. A Luca lynch wouldn't disappoint me, I just like salad slot a little better.In post 612, UnaBombaH wrote:I'm fine with this one as well tbh, but Luca replacing out doesn't help my read on him at all.- Persivul
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Wake88- IC doing nothing
mavsfan41- by my understanding of normal millers, he's IC to me. I considered the way far out there idea that a scum universal backup could have made a great play there, but reading up it seems that normal UBs only inherit roles from their own faction. So, I think it's mechanically impossible for him to be scum considering normal rules and my result.
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Riabi- When I went to make this list, I knew this guy had posted somewhat but couldn't remember what he said. That's usually a bad sign, but I read his ISO, and it looks fine.
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UnaBombaH
PranaDevil
GeorgeBailey
These three have all managed to put up a lot of words without really saying much at all. Not the Una I'm used to.
Luca Blight- Had him in scum initially due to farside's read, but read his ISO and I'm not so sure. If salad slot flips red, 366 might mean luca slot is green. Scum usually aren't so obviously together in reads that early.
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Erm...because I knew I was going to rolecop him that night maybe?In post 648, PranaDevil wrote:Persivul - Pushing for a quick lynch, and suggesting the vig doesn't shoot the claimed miller? Erm...- Persivul
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First, the vig is just idle speculation. The amount of mileage that speculation has received is ridiculous.In post 663, UnaBombaH wrote:It just hit me btw.
Assume Persivul really checked mavs.
He risked the fact that there WAS indeed a Vig, and his result would've been for nothing.
Second, even with a vig, N1 is the safest time. They tend to be novice or even night lately. I (as rabid schnauzer) was a vig in a mini normal very recently, and I was novice.
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