Why hesitant to allow that to guide you? You're assessing motivations. That's exactly what mafia town play is.In post 1192, UnaBombaH wrote:I'm hesitant in allowing this to guide me too much, but Persivuls play here makes no sense as scum.
Like, it would be superbly weird.
1. Make a claim-gambit
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4. Get easily guiltied by all the potential Trackers/Followers/Watchers etc.
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This isn't a big deal and is more a musing to myself, but leaving an out like that - I'm going to think of it as theIn post 626, popopopopopopo wrote:I believe mavs is a miller, the rolecop claim is slightly more up in the air, but the argument someone made that it would be far easier for scum to sit back and mislynch the miller today then claim rolecop and clear them makes enough sense to mefor now.for nowtell in the future.- Persivul
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I was hoping one of you would say that. He didn't reference that in his explanation. He said that the Panda flip is what made him reevaluate, and theIn post 1229, PranaDevil wrote:For now... meaning until he tracks you that night you mean?
Very nice of you to point out popo planned to track you N2.for nowcomment came before the Panda flip.- Persivul
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Dafuq?In post 1231, PranaDevil wrote:You mean a PR hid their role from you!? Shock horror!
I don't think I've ever seen someone cheerlead for their scum buddy so flagrantly. I guess that will be your defense.- Persivul
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Do what you like, but:In post 1238, UnaBombaH wrote:One of the reasons why I'm currently just delaying my vote is because you and a few others are throwing around things such as this "obviously wrong".
But we do agree on the fact that the Ruby-slot is quite likely just town.
Which is why I want them to be replaced before the day ends so that they can dedicate the nightphase for reading the game.
But call that apathy, being "obviously wrong" or just scummy, I really do not care.
- at this point it's doubtful that a replacement is going to come in and make a meaningful catchup before deadline
- you don't need to hear what they say to make your own decision
This situation isn't complex.
1. popo was town reading me.
2. Panda's lynch fucked with his reads. He claims he decided to track me in order to get a clear on me, despite the fact that he COULDN'T get a clear on me. He could only get a guilty.
3. Despite having just claimed 1X, I was the scum who made the kill.
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So I'm scum who saved you on D2 for no reason?In post 1249, mavsfan41 wrote:
So I’ve been trying to bus George since day 1? Oh, okay. CoolIn post 1248, UnaBombaH wrote:No wait, this isn't straightforward either.
Persivul / mavs / George is yet another variation.
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I've previously shown that at least 5 people said that mavs would be lynched D2.In post 1252, popopopopopopo wrote:persi saying he saved mavs d2 is misrepresenting the situation. when persi claimed there were 3 votes out all on different people.- Persivul
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In before prana quotes this and says this is an admission that I fakeclaimed to save him.In post 1254, Persivul wrote:The supposed reason thatI fakeclaimed to save himis that I'd get some town cred when he flipped. Yet, I'm supposedly scum, and he hasn't been flipped yet.- Persivul
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In post 1257, Not Known 15 wrote:Not Voting(2):UnaBombaH;GeorgeBailey;- Persivul
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Yes. Mod should have frozen deadline until a replacement was found. But that has nothing to do with your lack of vote.In post 1259, UnaBombaH wrote:You do realize that BOTH me and George need to vote for there to be a lynch at this time?- Persivul
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Interesting. How does mavs' play lead to a vote on me?In post 1260, UnaBombaH wrote:My votes is based mainly on mavs' play today- Persivul
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Try to solve the rest of the game, as I've been doing.In post 1262, UnaBombaH wrote:What else do you want popopopo to do when they claim to have a guilty on Persivul?- Persivul
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See what I mean?In post 1270, UnaBombaH wrote:If we were to forget about the reads completely for a moment
This is mafia. Why would you forget about reads?- Persivul
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This isn't the only instance of it and you know it.In post 1274, UnaBombaH wrote:Knightmare argues with mechanics, so I answered with mechanics.- Persivul
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Yet you vote me.In post 1273, UnaBombaH wrote:In post 1268, Persivul wrote:For all of Una's analysis showing that I wouldn't play as I have as scum, he still manages to find reasons to vote me.If you are town here, I'd argue your play around your role was close to being optimal..?
I don't think claiming that 1-shot modifier would've been the right call D2 either, and the WIFOM about your result was always going to be there.
If you are scum, I commend you on your gambit anyway, and onlythink it was silly for you to commit the kill last nightconsidering what you had claimed.- Persivul
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Because for now he's 100% convinced that George and popo can't be scum together. If George and popo are scum together, they could leave him alive for the win. My pointing this out increases the chance that someone I know for a fact to be town with bad reads gets killed tonight, or if not migghtr get mavs to reevaluate.In post 1276, UnaBombaH wrote:Why did you go for this path at all?
What is the reasoning?
Why would scum EVER leave a conf.town alive when all the other kills are likely just Vanillas, and we have one 100% absent slot that's almost impossible to read in LyLo?- Persivul
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Come on Una, you have to test this.In post 1280, PranaDevil wrote:Out of interest in not having a no lynch... I will lynch popo before deadline if I absolutely have to, to go into tomorrow with actual information.- Persivul
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In post 1150, UnaBombaH wrote:
Wait what? Day long crumbing? Did I check the wrong ISO, or were there only like 3/4 posts before they were claiming?In post 1108, mavsfan41 wrote:And it’s easier to fake game theory than day long bread crumbing.
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Yep.In post 1284, UnaBombaH wrote:I also find it harder and harder to look past this post from Tanner.
This post screams "popopo has no reason to scumread Persivul here, unless something happened overnight".
Yet tanner didn't think this fits with popopopo being a Tracker with a guilty?
The reasoning he gave for tracking me was that Panda's flip ficked with his reads, so he checked me in order to confirm me, and therefore mavs as well.
But a tracker CAN'T confirm someone who has claimed to be out of shots. It can only provide a guilty, but never a clear. His claimed reasoning is bullshit.- Persivul
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Here it is. It's a blatant lie. A tracker couldn't CONFIRM me. It could only get a guilty.In post 896, popopopopopopo wrote:redpandas flipped fucked my reads
i figured id check persi to confirm him, myself and mavs and form a town bloc
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Was it after? If so my bad, I'm playing poker rn while I post.In post 1290, UnaBombaH wrote:And when did you claim to be a 1-shot exactly?- Persivul
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In what world do I make the kill there?In post 1291, UnaBombaH wrote:Right, you can't make it a clear-cut case either, no matter how hard you try.- Persivul
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Why?In post 1296, UnaBombaH wrote:Leaving Tanner+George+Prana+Knightmare+"Haven't been around at all"-slot to deal with a 5-player LyLo is gonna be awful.
By today's flip, either tanner or prana is going to be shown to have read me/popo correctly, and will presumably be town leader.
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Gamestate:
Popo L-2
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Ruby slot empty.
George active lurking, not voting.
If Una votes popo, prana has pledged to hammer.
If Una votes me, I have pledged to self hammer.
If neither Una nor Geroge vote, hopefully tanner or knight will be online to switch to me so we get a flip.
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Or...?In post 1338, UnaBombaH wrote:Oh, and in case you forgot, popopo either GUESSED that George did nothing N1 or they are scum together.- Persivul
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Going camping and will be gone until Sunday afternoon. Not much has changed for me. I think if we lynch through prana-george-una we probably win. I have tanner and knight as town, don't know yet on puppy but of the little that his predecessors wrote nothing really pinged me.
VOTE: prana
Regarding una, there's an old rule of thumb that if you still have a hard null on someone on D3, they're probably scum. I have a hard null on una and it's D4, so that's not good.
The mavs kill seems somewhat favorable for george, but everything george posts is just so damn scummy.- Persivul
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I just read knight's entire ISO and I have him as town. I'd need to see a case on him. Maybe you can prepare one while I'm gone.In post 1333, Tanner wrote:My gut is telling me it's Prana/Knight bussing each other, but I'm aware that doesn't make 100% sense, and I'm imagining Persi telling me I'm a fucking idiot.
And yeah, a prana/knight teamreallydoesn't make sense to me. Do a double ISO. See posts like 317 and 325. Doesn't look like scum distancing to me.- Persivul
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Remember also that for you to town read george, scum need to have a PR.In post 1393, Tanner wrote:The thing is, I think this setup is way too low Town power for 3 scum. Maaaybe a Traitor, but I'm still unsure. IC is one confirmed Town, second Miller that gets confirmed is another, but there's a most likely free mislynch on Day 1... This seems too scumsided?- Persivul
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This was an L-1 and wasn't announced.
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I want a record of all the D3 votes.
772 - prana votes knight
773 - pers votes prana
780 - mavs votes riabi
781 - prana votes pers
782 - tanner votes popo
783 - popo votes pers
839 - mavs unvotes
848 - knight votes prana
853 - mavs votes popo
857 - george votes popo
866 - ruby votes george
876 - pers votes popo,popo at L-1
892 - popo fake claims tracker
893 - george unvotes
900 - knight votes pers
901 - george votes pers,pers at L-1
905 - knight unvotes pers
908 - mavs unvotes popo
935 - Tanner unvotes
986 - tanner votes popo
1002 - mavs votes perspers back to L-1
1031 - george unvotes pers
1033 - pers unvotes popo
1058 - george votes popo
1111 - pers votes popo
1127 - george unvotes popo
1201 - george votes popo
1211 - george unvotes popo
1222 - knight votes popo
1260 - Una votes persputs pers back to L-1
1279 - una unvotes persboth wagons at L-2
1304 - george votes popopopo at L-1
1307 - prana votes popolynch- Persivul
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Sure. Like I said, I don't like having a hard null on someone at this stage of the game. Una posts a lot of words but manages to not accomplish much with them.In post 1458, Tanner wrote:Persi can we talk about your thoughts on Una?
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Just read their double ISO. I don't see that they can't be scum together. The interactions are weak and don't result in real pushes.In post 1462, Tanner wrote:Ok. I've already said that I think Una/Luca aren't S/S, but I would really appreciate if someone would actually discuss that with me.- Persivul
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Doesn't look like that to me. mavs joining my wagon at 1002 was a probably unexpected boon to scum. No one was going to take much blame for lynching me, because to be fair popo did set it up well. I don't see scum!george unvoting there in 1031.In post 1459, UnaBombaH wrote:
Really? To me it looks exactly like a scum without a daytalk, considering whether to bus or not.In post 1456, Persivul wrote:George looks better to me looking at that vote record.
No. George unvoted in 1211. He had no vote up when you put me at L-1 in 1260. You knew that, and even called george out to vote me:Also something to consider -when I put you at L-1, both George and Prana were already on you.
Meaning that even if scum would've wanted to hammer you there, they couldn't do it.
I guess they both realized that, and once George wandered onto popopo once, Prana took the leap.In post 1260, UnaBombaH wrote:VOTE: Persivul -I hope George does the right thing for town and makes sure we at least get a lynch.- Persivul
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Seer above. You weren't on me when una voted me.In post 1464, GeorgeBailey wrote:
Or, the inactive slot didn't hammer? To suggest the entire scum team was on Persi without hammer seems too desperate.In post 1459, UnaBombaH wrote:when I put you at L-1, both George and Prana were already on you.
Meaning that even if scum would've wanted to hammer you there, they couldn't do it.- Persivul
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Yes, I do.In post 1475, Tanner wrote:D1, Luca mostly attacked George and Una. D2, there was a wagon on Luca before popo replaced in, in which Una (along with mavs) was the main pusher. You think that is easily s/s? (Not being snarky, this is a genuine question)
1. It was early in phase. It was clear from D1 that this group isn't into quick lynches, so there was no danger of the lynch actually happening.
2. He named luca-me-you as the scum team a couple posts later. Scum frequently put one of their own in their scum pool.
3. HE THEN COMPLETELY FORGOT ABOUT IT. He moved onto mechanical analysis and stopped pushing the slot at all. He said that's because of the replace out for some reason. Hell, when I'm town and someone I'm pushing replaces out, I'm like a shark that smells blood in the water. But Una just swam away.- Persivul
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I think una has played very carefully this whole game, and holding the vote is just one example of that. Personally I tend to play carefully when I'm scum, or a town PR. I already noted that I gave una some leeway because I thought he might be hinting at TPR. But, now he's not, so that leaves scum.In post 1474, CantHateAPuppy wrote:Hi Persi!
Since u're on -- what do u make of una holding his vote on d3?- Persivul
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Yes.In post 1484, UnaBombaH wrote:Did I misread your recap then?- Persivul
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Isn't this all about tomorrow now? I'm assuming we're lynching prana today. Don't think we'll be in lylo tomorrow.
If we get comfortable with me/you/george/knight, then it's a matter of lynching through prana/una/puppy. I'm not saying I'm 100% there, but it's looking better. I feel more comfortable about george now after looking at those votes. Don't like una so far today.- Persivul
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You can't really be wrong when you're sitting on a fence.In post 1496, UnaBombaH wrote:Especially now that I know I was wrong about Persi vs popopo- Persivul
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Let me help you with that:In post 1433, UnaBombaH wrote:So, I'm fully admitting to my fault here, for being an undecisive second-guesser, but I honestly do not see a scum-agenda that could be derived from my actions.
1. Not making enemies. Look at this game. I didn't have much interest in it until prana made me an enemy.
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Yeah that's why I gave my lynch order. Do you have any specific questions?
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Who are your top 3? We have one mislynch in hand.In post 1503, Tanner wrote:This game gives me anxiety and I'm trying to pretend it doesn't exist but one cannot run forever.
Maybe I'm a sucker for AtE but I lowkey think Puppy is more likely to be scum than Una here...- Persivul
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Who are you top 3? We have one mislynch in hand.In post 1505, GeorgeBailey wrote:Something i've noticed going back. The Riabi and Luca slot never interact with each other, (even the replacement) which is really common for scum.
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