Mini Normal 2135 (Endgame)

[GeorgeBailey]

VOTE: Saladman27

I like Salad

[GeorgeBailey]

Get a room you two

VOTE: Persivul

[GeorgeBailey]

Oh god oh fuck. I thought that was an ego post lmao. THE ONE TIME I DONT MAKE THAT REFERENCE.

[GeorgeBailey]

To be fair, it was quite spooky.

[GeorgeBailey]

I always like getting your role in Avalon

[GeorgeBailey]

This ^

VOTE: george

Why switch from Persivul?

Do you like his reaction to the wagon?

[GeorgeBailey]

Any reason you switched to a bw vote after a joke vote?

To build a wagon. What's the point of RVS if no one is pressured?

I obviously don't scumread Persival right now. But I don't townread him either.

[GeorgeBailey]

The L-2 is more a scum leaning thing in my mind than a faulty town read.

What's wrong with putting someone to L-2? Hammering would be an obvious scum claim.

Like, I get this mindset if it was a newbie game, but most people have the incentive to either unvote or not hammer.

[GeorgeBailey]

That's why scum would put someone at L-2, to avoid the sus of hammering town.

Honestly, I feel like Scum would be the hesitant voter, for fear of looking scummy.

I'd be interested in a thing I've never seen or done before.
Feel free to call me a dummy dumb-dumb if it suits you, but

what if we all agree that Wake doesn't vote for anyone today?

Hear me out - we obviously want his input and reads throughout the day as much as possible, simply because he is the only conf.town in the game so far.
But we won't be able to lynch scum 100% of the time D1 anyway, even if we had three conf.townies.
So my point is, that

whoever we end up lynching D1, and whatever their flip might end up being, the wagon will only consist of unconfirmed players.

Does that make sense for anyone?

I can see why this sounds good on paper, but the fact that a confirmed town wont be spearheading the lynch makes the push less valuable. I think the whole point of the IC is that their word is much more valuable than a regular player.

Any reason why you chose to question farside and not PD? He unvoted first.

Because PD gave a brief reason for doing so, as Farside's was a naked vote.

Drew’s miller claim had to come after everyone had a chance to post assuming the miller would claim with their first post. If he’s got scum mates, then he KNOWS they’re not the miller and MUST ONLY wait for the townies to post without a claim to snatch up that role.

But Mavs, you pretty much did the same thing. You counter claimed him like 5 pages in. And It's not impossible to have two millers in the game. I don't really think that's a scum-trait. Plus, Drew even said there's probably gonna be a vig that shoots him. It's probably a better bet to let that happen tonight.

VOTE: Saladman

[GeorgeBailey]

6-8 appeared like he was justifying trains, as a form of pressure. I’m not against votes and while bad lynched aren’t good, they do tell us stuff. However, he seemed a little more blasé on it than I’d like.

I understand, since I haven't commented on Persivul's slot. I think 68 is probably his towniest post so far, which brings him out of null for me.

[GeorgeBailey]

Sorry, what? When did that happen?

Ah, sorry, he never said it directly but

BTW, according to here, I should do the following:

The first school of thought is that you should claim immediately, ideally in your opening post. This ensures that the Cop will not waste an investigation on you. It becomes more likely that you will be lynched or shot by a Vigilante, however; otherwise, it would be too easy for Mafia to fakeclaim Miller as well. This is by far the most common way to play the role on mafiascum.net.

I guess I deviated a little from the norm, but let's get that out of the road.

I fully expect to be dead by day one. I do, however, intend to make sure my remaining time here is as profitable as possible.

I still think that if there's a vig, he should definitely be the target tonight.

[GeorgeBailey]

How rare is double miller?

[GeorgeBailey]

George, is your first reaction to a double Miller claim "oh that's not scum indicative" as opposed to "one of them is fucking lying"?

Why is your reaction that one of them is lying?

[GeorgeBailey]

Re George: Borderline Bastard™? I don't think I've ever even heard of something like that.

Ok, well I didn't know that lmao. I've played with Millers before but not in Normals.

My first instinct was that just because there's multiple of a role, doesn't mean that it's a fake claim.

[GeorgeBailey]

Anyhoo, I guess we are ready for the lynch now?
Don't think much of anything useful will come from the scumteam anymore, now that one of them is already caught red-handed?

Not really, especially when there's 3 slots that have barely posted.

If Double Miller really is that rare, then Drew is def our best chance at scum right now. But rushing the day is questionable.

[GeorgeBailey]

I think there's only 3 on him atm.

[GeorgeBailey]

@George Bailey: your vote is on Saladman27. Say you get what you want and Saladman27 is lynched. And there is also a vig in the game. Who do you believe the vig should target during the night?

I don't actually want Saladman lynched, but I did want his slot to contribute at the time. It felt like people were trying to rush the day when there were people who were plain unreadable.

But in the case Salad WAS lynched, I would want Drew to get shot.

(Sorry, catching up now)

[GeorgeBailey]

Another one I don't like is GB, refer 102 and 189, he hasn't responded to the latter.

The latter was more of a statement, and I haven't posted since then. Calling this out is just plain dishonest.

But to answer, just because it's a declaration doesn't mean it's not a reason??? Like their reason was to not let it get to L-2.

I don't understand why this is something to call out.

[GeorgeBailey]

A person who is avoiding this issue. Yes.

This is kind of a weird attack on someone being V/LA.

Activity is almost never Alignment indicative.

[GeorgeBailey]

Ah, well statement retracted. Unfortunately I still think you're our best shot today then.

Aight, well i'm interested in hearing from Luca, but I think I need to vote Drew. This dilemma is something that should be sorted out D1.

[GeorgeBailey]

Glad we're on the same page then.

Although, if this flips green, would that change your read on Mav?

[GeorgeBailey]

Well, now that Luca is back.

VOTE: Drew

[GeorgeBailey]

@ George and Drew: why are you guys playing with different miller rules for Drew (saying he should be vig’ed or the obv NK) and me (pushing for my own lynch day 2 seemingly regardless of the Drew flip)?

I said he should be vig'd when I thought Double Miller wasn't such a big deal. I never advocated for your lynch today, and I thought that people were trying to rush the lynch.

I also never said you should be lynched day 2 regardless of flip, if Drew flips red I think you're confirmed somewhat. Seems like a weird gambit for scum to do so early.

[GeorgeBailey]

Beer and Doritos sounds like a good night.

[GeorgeBailey]

And I was asking Farside about her earlier "what would happen if Drew flipped Green" because I wanted to know her commitment to the impossibility of a double Miller.

I can’t believe I’m saying this... but might there be two millers?

For this exact reason. Oh, so now it's a possibility? I have a bad feeling this will flip green after this backpedaling. But only one way to find out.

[GeorgeBailey]

Town better be fucking stacked in this game if there are 2 millers

So then why was your first reaction to vote me? This was before Persivu's rolecop.

[GeorgeBailey]

Well, I came into today ready to instant vote Mavs, but Persivul confirms him.

I mean, it COULD be possible Mavs and Persivul are a scum team, but it's a bit unlikely. Especially since if one falls, the other will too.

But it's still shitty that I got scumread for believing double miller was possible, and then it turns out to be possible. Mavs backpedaling yesterday was also really worrying.

I think in retrospect, Riabi's wolf looks the worst.

What if there are two millers?

Then I'm wrong?

All that said, I accept the possibility that there are two millers, but, it doesn't seem very likely to me. I think it's way more likely that one of them (Drew, probably) is lying. Either way, like I said above, I think they both need to die, and as quickly as possible

Like, why do they both need to die if you only think one of them is lying? I think he didn't even consider the possibility of double miller. And scum wanted to push the Drew lynch as hard as possible.

VOTE: Riabi

[GeorgeBailey]

farside WAS one of my townreads.

I think Tanner has been townie

Knightmare has been opportunistic.

Mavs and persivul are either super confirmed PR, or literally the scumteam.

[GeorgeBailey]

@GB what are you trying to say by saying that I'm being opportunistic? You think I'm opportunistic scum? Then where's the vote?

I think your votes feel very opportunistic so far.

So far your two votes have been on me and Drew.

VOTE: Drew

I mean it would have probably been better if had let him interact with more people and claim later in the day so that we can catch the other scums as well. But oh well

VOTE: GB

Both on wagons gaining traction. It feels like you only want a safe place to park your vote. And both are very safe wagons.

VOTE: Knightmare491

[GeorgeBailey]

What I don't understand though is why that claim confirms Persivul? If he is a scum role-cop, mavs seems like a pretty easy/convenient target to gain town cred.

Because when an actual PR claims, it puts scum in un-needed situation.

I feel like if this is a scum gambit, then it'll unravel itself in time.

[GeorgeBailey]

...Why do you people insist on making this game more complicated than it really is?

farside was shot. She suspected Panda/Luca/Persi. Both Panda's and Luca's slots are horrible (I'd argue Panda's more so than Luca, but ya know). We swing there. Persi and mavs are of the same alignment, they're de facto cleared Town, and if (and that's a really really big if) they're scum,

it will be obvious later once actual Town PRs start coming to light.

I'm hesitant on Luca/Panda and I don't think she was killed for her scum reads. She seemed like a really obvTown player that would have easily been taken to LyLo. I think Scum thought she was an easy target to take out. But NKA is tricky because you have to know the mind behind the kills too. Some people take out Strong Townies they don't want to compete with late game, some take out people shit tunneling them.

Persivul could be a scum going for the towncred when mavs flips.
Them "clearing" mavs isn't as heavy a commitment for scum as some might imply.

Yeah, but that's something to explore much later down the line. Like, we should be sorting sus people right now. So far I don't think Persivul has acted very scummy. Also, when more PRs are outed, then it'll be abundantly clear if there's too many. (i'm guessing the PR ratio is mostly the same in normals?)

The way Salad has singled out Una/George, Panda keeps pushing Una, and the way Luca's been acting around those two slots too. Make me think s/s is unlikely there.

Honestly, I think Salad and Luca were just low-activity posting. Salad was just responding to me cause I was the one of the main focus at the time, and Luca looked like he was struggling to stay in the game. I don't think either of these slots are readable, and I think their replacements should be given new slates.

I think you’ve got the right idea about Knightmare voting opportunistically, but how do you feel about Panda? The textbook opportunistic vote would be me day 2 after Drew-Sta flipped miller.

It does feel really off, ngl. I'd say it feels more LAMIST than opportunistic though. Everyone knew double miller would be questioned, it was the focal point of D1. It seems like there was no intent to start a wagon, but rather to show off.

Methinks their “gut” feeling was that UnaBombaH attracted attention with no real reason.

The UnaBombaH vote does seem like a weird one though, but Una hasn't been especially pushed this game. So I don't really see it as scum trying to grab LHF. I think I see this more as a vanity wagon?

Thank you for scum claiming with this OMGUS vote. I'm the only vote on you, how does that count as a "wagon gaining traction?"

Because the limelight was on me at the time, and you provided minimal comments on my slot, while voting me. It honestly seems like i'm your vanity wagon right now.

All the mechanical clears aside, and only considering reads or the lack of them....Luca Blight/Tanner/Panda/George?

Tanner is a gutread I cannot shake.
There's something off with the slot, despite all their valiant, good efforts.

Honestly, we shouldn't be basing our reads off gut feelings right now lmao. That feels like D1 trying-to-get-out-of-rvs talk.

Can you go more into detail what's off about him?

[GeorgeBailey]

BS, I'm the only one talking about you.

Currently, yeah. The point is that I think your push is safe and insincere.

[GeorgeBailey]

I still struggle to see how this is town reaction to two millers. Someone who's been on the site since September last year and has played many games.

I've played mostly micro and newbie game. And 90% were open, I can't setup spec for shit.

[GeorgeBailey]

Tanner - Buddying George, only talks about scum Drew, never considered Town Drew while discussing why he was ignoring George buying the two miller thing.

??? He pushed me right after, asking:

George, is your first reaction to a double Miller claim "oh that's not scum indicative" as opposed to "one of them is fucking lying"?

then in 181 kinda towncased me saying it's TSTBS

[GeorgeBailey]

It just hit me btw.
Assume Persivul really checked mavs.
He risked the fact that there WAS indeed a Vig, and his result would've been for nothing.

Well, he did ask the possible vig not to shoot in 241

[GeorgeBailey]

What makes you vote Panda right now Eve?

When you made the vote, you said you were at post 50?

[GeorgeBailey]

Really?
From calling me scum, to voting the slot I have pretty much exclusively called out from the start?
Not weird at all.

You pushed Tanner for pushing you on your RVS vote. It was pretty much OMGUS. How is it fair to scumread her for not following that?

[GeorgeBailey]

VOTE: popo

The fact that Farside was NK'd n1 over an IC has to be a tell.

The only alive players from her scumreads are Persi and Luca/popo.

I think trying to read Drew's wagon is pretty messy. That wagon was pretty widely regarded as that day's lynch, going with it or going against it isn't really alignment telling.

I think Panda's wagon is more telling, and pop's vote there felt odd.

Just imagine for one second that persivul IS scum, of course he would claim 1 shot today because he cant confirm his role any longer because no1 else has outed there role in thread.

1-shot would make sense with double miller since it's expected they both claim d1. It sounds like it compliments the setup.

[GeorgeBailey]

from how fast i blazed through reading eve's iso though (given my mach-12 rate of reading given my astronomical IQ) it seemed like she had reads, though?

That's interesting too. Since the NK was the IC over the PR, would that mean the IC was killed for her reads?

She scumread Una, Prana and Riabi. popo's partner is probably 1 in those 3.

[GeorgeBailey]

i agree with prana that persi is extremely sus. my scumread on prana from yesterday i think was more of a playstlye thing, as the setup spec has continued.

im still down to get on knightmare but i really dont see why we dont lynch persi today. he lied about his claim, and checking the miller with a 1 shot just seems dumb to me. (and not true)

Would scum try and go for a PR though? If Prana and popo are scum together, trying to vote out Persi seems like a gambit move. Even if still a 1-shot, doesn't seem like the safe scum move.

[GeorgeBailey]

UNVOTE: popo

[GeorgeBailey]

wait, then Persivul isn't 1-shot?

[GeorgeBailey]

Because i'm trying to imagine a scenario where Persivul is town and he visits Eve.

VOTE: Persivul

[GeorgeBailey]

L-1

[GeorgeBailey]

But he changed it to one shot. Usually one shot is paired with other roles.

[GeorgeBailey]

Just because someone lies about their role, doesn't mean they're scum.

[GeorgeBailey]

I mean, hes voting Prana. So best case scenario he's a voyeur who saw Prana attack Eve.

[GeorgeBailey]

.....

Uh. Well ignore that. I was looking at the wrong VC....

Voyeur is the only claim I see though.

[GeorgeBailey]

Would town friendly neighbor be a possibility?

[GeorgeBailey]

The only way I can see if popo is scum is if they somehow jailed/tracked/rolecopped me. I don't see scum randomly saying someone didn't go anywhere n1 without mechanical evidence.

[GeorgeBailey]

UNVOTE: Persivul

I dont really know. Persivul's point makes sense. Why wouldn't there be some way to counter the double miller? No one else claimed any result on either of them.

Also, farside NK fits both slots. So that's no help.

Luca was also scumreading yesterday so to be his target makes sense.

[GeorgeBailey]

But Knightmare quickly unvoted when it got to L-1. If it was a bus he'd probably just silently stay on the wagon.

[GeorgeBailey]

even if Persivul is scum and we lynched him today, popo is gonna get shot tonight. There's most likely no protectives since our IC died.

You could pretty much say the same in reverse. You dont think this confirms Persivul if Popo is scum?

Also, why do you trust a 1-shot claim over a PR claim?

[GeorgeBailey]

I think that's a really valid point. The fact that it's ungated is pretty weird. But my point is that both probably have the highest chance of getting shot in either scenario.

VOTE: popo

[GeorgeBailey]

Why are we mass claiming? If today's lynch isn't scum, then can't we agree to lynch the other?

How will mass claiming help?

[GeorgeBailey]

Why would I be the likely target if I'm telling the truth?

This doesn't really seem like a bus, so popo flipping scum would pretty much confirm you town, and Mavs too.

[GeorgeBailey]

A 1x rolecop also doesn't fix the balance... actually worse if anything.

What would make it better rather than a rolecop? I feel like Rolecop is the only thing that can balance this.

[GeorgeBailey]

UNVOTE: All

[GeorgeBailey]

I dont want a no lynch, I'm just lost.

I'm trying to find a setup that ran double miller, and maybe see how the mod balanced it in the past. But it seems to be pretty damn rare.

[GeorgeBailey]

Ok, I just did. Here's a list of all Mini Normals played in the last year and a half or so without a single Town investigative.

There's one problem with this:

None of those setups had a miller.

Going through, the only double miller setup I could find was this:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=94&t=71689

And it most definitely had a cop.

Other setups with miller were:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=94&t=74651
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=94&t=72515
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=94&t=65794
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=94&t=71618
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=94&t=62688
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=94&t=64039

One-shot Cop is looking a lot likelier than Town follower but I still don't really know.

But on the flip, it seems like double miller is incredibly rare. So much so that i'm starting to doubt Mavs again.

But it's shitty, cause like, there HAS to be a rolecop, right? I can't imagine there even being 1 miller without a role cop or any way with dealing with it.

I think if there's another cop, they should out right now. Because looking at the other setups there are usually only 1 cop roles.

[GeorgeBailey]

If there's a cop we don't have to risk the mislynch.

[GeorgeBailey]

Looks like he wants to be able to pin his eventual decision on mechanics, rather than reads.

Mechanics are a lot more tangible. You were both on the Red Panda wagon, and both would make the Farside NK. So I think reducing it down to "who's role seems likelier in this setup" is fair.

[GeorgeBailey]

VOTE: popopopo

Sorry popo

I think cop is the likeliest in this scenario.

If you flip green, then the next two lynches are set for the next two days.

[GeorgeBailey]

But at no point does town-George not trust popo fully there.

:/ actually there is, but i guess waiting for replacement is safer for now. If popo is scum role cop they'd know I'm VT and hence I didnt go anywhere.

UNVOTE: popo

[GeorgeBailey]

This game gives me anxiety because I still don't know.

fucking

VOTE: popo

Hopefully there's a vig if this flips green.

[GeorgeBailey]

oh.

He's tracker isn't he.

[GeorgeBailey]

Didn't expect it that early from PD.

There was 5 hours on the clock.

[GeorgeBailey]

Well i'm super glad that hit Red, Prana switching over made my heart drop for a moment.

I'm think there's probably 2 scum left? Either popo's guess at me not visiting someone was an attempt to make me cc it and out a PR, or scum has daytalk and a Rolecop told him that. I think the latter is more likely.

Which means there's probably an Encrypter and a RC left? It wasnt specified by the mod that Scum has daytalk, and there was no way Popo's partner could have told him that through crumb or something.

As to who I think it is, it's obviously down to {Knight,Prana,Puppy,Unah) with 2/4 being scum.

Puppy is currently unreadable, Unah never voted, Knight "bussed" around at L-3 and Prana hammered.

Out of the two, I think Unah and Prana looks the worst here. Although it feels incredibly unfair to subject Unah to a scumread for not voting when Puppy's slot has done almost nothing this game.

I want to hear Puppy's claim first, but I'm leaning towards Prana here (i'm reluctant to vote in case of a flash lynch).

[GeorgeBailey]

UNVOTE:

Too early for l-1, we need to give time to everyone to come and discuss this.

For knight, I know I was scumreading earlier, but I don't really see this unvote coming from scum. Especially since it could have ended in a easy mislynch.

[GeorgeBailey]

If you are a Town Encryptor with no other abilities, you probably want to play as though you were a Miller; the role is very hard to explain away if discovered later in the game.

We pretty much had 3 millers this game

[GeorgeBailey]

Tanner isn't necessarily town, he's latched onto Persi all game thus far, could easily be very clever buddying. He's also tunnelling on me pretty hard, because he views me as the easy lynch.

He was one of the first people on the Popo wagon, so unless you think that was a hard bus, Tanner is lock town.

[GeorgeBailey]

Prana puppy is my guess too

VOTE: PranaDevil

[GeorgeBailey]

I think that hammer from scum only comes from having an inactive slot like puppy's.

[GeorgeBailey]

As a teammate*

[GeorgeBailey]

when I put you at L-1, both George and Prana were already on you.
Meaning that even if scum would've wanted to hammer you there, they couldn't do it.

Or, the inactive slot didn't hammer? To suggest the entire scum team was on Persi without hammer seems too desperate.

[GeorgeBailey]

VOTE: Prana

Devil be gone!

It was an RVS vote he never changed.

[GeorgeBailey]

No idea how you manage to mix any desperation there.

Desperate for the scum team. Usually the entire team doesn't pile down on a mislynch. It outs a lot of people, epecially when it's a 1-shot PR.

[GeorgeBailey]

Something i've noticed going back. The Riabi and Luca slot never interact with each other, (even the replacement) which is really common for scum.

Puppy TRing Prana is kind of odd right now. I don't see scum Town Reading their partner that is definitely going to be lynched today.

[GeorgeBailey]

Prana > Puppy > Unah

I don't see anything particularly scummy about Knightmare as it stands right now.

[GeorgeBailey]

why is there an ascetic encryptor for the role cop to get a "guilty" on if the role cop is 1 shot

why? makes no sense for that role to be in the game if the rolecop is never going to inspect it because the rolecop will always check one of the millers

Probably for the scum role cop?

[GeorgeBailey]

Knightmare in Pod A...

Puppy in Pod B?

Pod A is kind of a weird question to ask

[GeorgeBailey]

Why in holy hell would I kill Tanner when he was townreading me so hard.

[GeorgeBailey]

Una is my safest bet today. I'm lost between sorting Knight and Puppy though.

[GeorgeBailey]

Puppy/George is obviously the one I'm left with since Prana flipped green after all.

?? Why am I the obvious choice here. What's your towncase for knightmare?

[GeorgeBailey]

But my issue is that I don't think Una is scum, and in my mind that's the only viable partner for Prana. So that's making me doubt myself. And then I see both Knight and Puppy "aligning" a lynch on Una tomorrow and it's making me feel even worse. Do you think Puppy's Prana read could be TMI?

This is kinda resonating with me. Re-reading Puppy's slot, It looks like they've mostly been on vanity wagons that they've barely pushed.

[GeorgeBailey]

are you accusing me or the players i subbed in for

Actually just Ruby.

I think right now i'm confident with Puppy over Una.

Like, with Ruby, this aged poorly and kinda seemed like a setup to vote Persi.

based on experience and also being a high IQ genius, kills like that come more often from someone familiar with the player

so far idrk who on this playerlist would be the most familiar with farside as a 2007 joindate player, although searching farside's posts it seems like pers is pretty familar with her, at least based off these:

[GeorgeBailey]

Sorry Sorry, got called in to work yesterday and was exhuasted. I'll try and answer your questions Persi as best I can before going out today.

George, what do you think of the D3 voting in general, and page 51 in particular?

I wanna give Una a break about the hesitant voting, especially since I felt just as torn between the two wagons. I think Popo's claim seemed pretty genuine and could have gone both ways. Which is why I honestly feel best voting Knight today.

Like, this was Una's response to popo telling me to unvote:

ANSWER ME THIS. HOW THE HELL DID I KNOW YOU DIDNT GO ANYWHERE NIGHT 1??????????????

GOD FUCKING DAMNIT WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT. GEORGE YOU IF ANYONE SHOULD KNOW IM TELLING THE TRUTH REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

There's no reason why the scumteam couldn't just be popopo/Pers/mavs.


So saying stuff like "How could you vote there?" or "How can you believe this or that?" is stupid considering the mess we are in.

Like, I think the line of reasoning on the last sentence feels genuine. Who we lynched that day was incredibly important for Town.

Una's vote on Page 51:

VOTE: Persivul - I hope George does the right thing for town and makes sure we at least get a lynch.

My votes is based mainly on mavs' play today, and obviously the contradicting claims.
I have a good hunch that no matter what Persivul flips today, town still has a good chance of pulling through.

This was a bad vote in retrospect, I think you're completely right. I really don't like the last line. "No matter what Persi flips today, town still has a good chance" is really untrue since even now we don't have a good case on who scum is. And based on Mav's play? He was literally just suggesting Mavs to be the the scum team earlier. But I still think going with the idea that scum bussed would be a safer bet.

Shit, forgot about this. George, explain this to me.

At the time, I think Prana was on to something. I think Knight bussed, and Puppy('s slot) was afk which led to a really stale gamestate where the lynch was decided between Una and I. It also could be why it felt like Scum was trying to force a no-lynch, since scum couldn't even hammer if they wanted to.

Scum doesn't have Day talk:

14:Daychat: No evil faction has daychat by default.

Which means they're disorganized, I think popo told their buddy to vote him when he outs at night, which is why Knight's vote feels so off and early:

VOTE: popo

Are you at puppy/una, or puppy/knight?

Puppy/Knight.

But honestly Persi, i'll sheep your vote since I know you're 100% PR. Makes no fucking sense to not have a 1-shot cop in this setup. If you really think Una is 100% maf today i'll vote him.

Fuck, I'm late lmao. I'll try to respond mobile further in the day.

[GeorgeBailey]

So that counts out Una+puppy for all of you out there still counting, right?

But it reinforces Knight/Una.

Knight's reaction to getting voted isn't great. So I'm pretty sure Knight is the best lynch for today.

If Knight was town he would have been quick lynched already too.

Yeah bussing when lynching persivul, then popo then PD is a much faster way to win con. Sure

Bussing is meant to gain town cred. Of course it makes it easier for scum. What would have been your preferred route?

[GeorgeBailey]

Everyone having Knight as their secondary lynch was also kind of a tell. I have a good feeling about this lynch.

[GeorgeBailey]

I got fucked. Gg.

Nice popo gambit.

[GeorgeBailey]

I was criticising you all game. You refused to actually play the game, from day 1.

Since when? Him and Tanner were basically town leaders most of the game.