Mini Normal 2153: Post-game

[Klick]

Would this make me 4th or 5th?

[Klick]

don't worry i'm probably going to townread your avatar however you play this game notscience

This is relatable

[Klick]

Peko was best girl in two.

Nagito was best overall character and Angie in game three was best.

Best in the first was prob junko or Kyoko

I liked Peko, but I found myself liking Fuyuhiko a bit more out of the pair. Gundham is cool too.
Angie is terrifying but I'd agree that she was probably one of the best-written characters in 3 (out of a ton of great ones there).
I'd go Byakuya for the first game? Not that he's particularly likeable but he's rather interesting.

[Klick]

No, not another game with a Hoopla-led townbloc..

Hoopla played great last game. She was wrong on me and Gypyx, but that didn't necessarily mean we were safe. She gave everyone a lot to talk about.


@Bella: But what if I don't want to vote yet?

[Klick]

And that's the 2nd post after that one.
What's your point?

[Klick]

I apologise - it seems my off-topic conversation has offended you in some capacity. I will try my best to avoid having fun in our quest to optimally push scum as quickly as possible.

Tell me about the wagons you'd like to see Bella. The only real read I've gotten so far is slight town vibes off of Dunn.

[Klick]

Do you have more reasons than 'feels forced' for that at this point?

[Klick]

I wanted to wait a bit and place a vote that had *impact*. But you've asked nicely, so I'll go here for now.
VOTE: geraintm

[Klick]

We've arrived at opposite conclusions about Dunnstral's opening though, Hoopla. What's not to like? I enjoyed his most recent post to me.

[Klick]

I hadn't quite realized that Bob had only posted the 'second' lol. That does make Dunn's vote pretty weird.

VOTE: Bellaphant

[Klick]

'not wanting to draw undue attention' is an interesting perspective on my play thus far.

Bellaphant has too much of an opinion on bob. I don't think she's thought about bob as much as she wants to represent that she has an opinion on bob. It looked like she had actual opinions on my play thus far, but instead of pushing me on them she just said that my vote was bad and stayed on the guy who only posted once.

[Klick]

I dunno, pressure on bob doesn't seem all that important when there are people already around and ready to play.

Lets talk about something more interesting - what in popo's most recent post do you agree with, and what do you disagree with?

[Klick]

Go for mint chocolate chip, or maybe cookie dough cookie dough is amazing

[Klick]

I'm not surprised - I'm conscious of the fact that I've come at this unconventional from the start and it's in part intentional. I do think it's telling that like 3-4 people have said they think I'm scummy, but only popo has given reasons and no one agrees with him.
A big part of it was probably the fact that I resisted putting down a vote. Geraintm just seems like he doesn't like fun, and other than my philosophical reasons for disliking that I'm fine with seeing his reactions so far from a town perspective. Popo's reasons for thinking I'm scum are pretty lazy but not necessarily scummy, I'll have to see if he's been like this early-game before at some point. Bella shouldn't be that surprised that I'm being weird early (she is my IRL partner) - but then, she's not pushing me either, just feeding the flame of momentum there. I think she's scummy.

[Klick]

I don't think I'm going to be able to accurately read Hoopla until like Day 3 at best. Until then, Hoopla is a consistently good influence on the gamestate and probably won't be getting executed today.

[Klick]

Should I be concerned that I feel fine with you in this game so far notty?

What's bothering you about me, Una?

[Klick]

Every time I replace into a game that has decent content, town or scum, I come in and give a catch-up on the game, and I can see how that comes across as 'on offence'. In contrast, there's not much to do that with here yet. I don't have strong opinions on this gamestate.

I think Una is likely town. It was hard to pretend he wasn't obvtown last game and I'm getting the same vibes here.

[Klick]

Town-
Una
gera
Her majesty

We’re off to a good start.

I can vibe with this list as a starting point. Can we add Dunn?

[Klick]

I can vibe with this list as a starting point. Can we add Dunn?

you asked me how i came to the opposite conclusion on dunn.

but you never explained your perspective. why is he town?

To expand a bit on what I said earlier, I liked his low-key approach to trying to get me to engage with RVS in 66. It felt really... non-performative, if that makes any sense? Like the only real goal there was to see me producing better content. Whereas a few other people made sure to be like 'Klick's play is NOT NORMAL and I find this SCUMMY'.

Goodnight Una!

[Klick]

I took a step back when I realised I was dominating the discussion a bit, but that might have been a mistake

[Klick]

Every time I replace into a game that has decent content, town or scum, I come in and give a catch-up on the game, and I can see how that comes across as 'on offence'. In contrast, there's not much to do that with here yet. I don't have strong opinions on this gamestate.

I think Una is likely town. It was hard to pretend he wasn't obvtown last game and I'm getting the same vibes here.

This doesn't seem like a natural thought process to me. Recognizing towntells as scum is such a distinct experience from recognizing them as town that I wouldn't expect you to feel reminded in this way.

It's not that disconnected for me? At least, not in the two scum games I've had recently. Having full knowledge of the game as it's going on has given me a bit of a new perspective on getting reads as town.

I guess it helped that for the most part I was approaching my reads in the last game as though I was town catching up on the game.

[Klick]

Woahhhhh same second post. It didn't even inform me that you'd posted before me

[Klick]

Your favorite show is on downstairs Bella

I dunno, there's not much to work with. Dunn could stand to try a lot harder, because if everyone had his approach to the early-game then we'd never reach Page 80. I'm surprised you're engaging as much as you are, because you usually say exactly what Dunn's saying right now about the early game. What's different about this game?

[Klick]

Left-hand-field. She's saying your playstyle is unconventional I think. Something you'd probably agree with considering what you just said?

Do you have a read on genraintm yet Bella?
PEdit: VOTE: Galron

[Klick]

That actually seems pretty sound lol.
He feels a lot more quiet/jokey than he did last game too, and in the game he was in that I modded.

VOTE: bob3141

[Klick]

Bella come back to this wagon. Turns out all you needed to catch scum was one word

[Klick]

Because bob might actually be scum for real reasons

[Klick]

Hoops what do you think of your loyal knight sir nippyflips? Has he defected to the rabble rousers?

too early to say.

underwhelming signal-to-noise ratio so far; lots of chatter.

scum are probably laughing it up, loving the relaxed atmosphere.

I do like voting a familiar face, but I also felt scumpinged by this post.

The last line seems hyperbolic with so little of our deadline actually wasted thus far.

Last time Hoopla wanted the first wagon/claim to happen before the halfway point in the day. This doesn't surprise me much.

Because bob might actually be scum for real reasons

I don't get this. I haven't seen anything scum-worthy from bob. In fact, his posts have been spectacularly meh.

Like I said right above that, his tone here contrasts what I've seen from him previously.

[Klick]

You think scum already have a designated mis-X in this gamestate?

[Klick]

That is definitely something Bella would post as either alignment

[Klick]

I've missed the arguments against a Bob wagon, unless you're counting Bella saying Galron looks worse.

[Klick]

Wait, so the wagon is problematic because... other wagons exist with it?

Can you see why your thought process here confuses me?

[Klick]

Because I know her very well and I don't want to go back and tell you she'd post that as either alignment if you use it as justification for townreading her later.
Misinformation isn't a good thing

[Klick]

With what in particular?

[Klick]

You feel scummy again (you know that post comes from town, surely),

What? Tell me more about this. You're saying I should definitely be townreading your 209 instead of think you could post it as town or scum?

[Klick]

Your voting is particularly erratic : you don't do RVs and you seen to vote Gera to make him shut up. You then vote me due to my Bob stuff. Then follow me onto galron, then move to the next suggested wagon in bob. Your progression doesn't make much sense.

You don't remember this being a complaint I got the other time we played together? This could have described the early game last time we played, only someone else had a problem with it and you specifically didn't.

I've made my reasons for thinking Bob could be scum pretty clear. It's not any sort of smoking gun, but yeah, I do think it was a lot more valid than thinking the word 'second' was off.

[Klick]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=80974

[Klick]

@hoops trade gera for Bella and I agree

Sell me on Bella?

Oop, oop oop... Big red flag for me, this one here.

Mmm you might be right about this

[Klick]

The fact that you don't think it's worth a vote doesn't mean I don't think it's worth a vote.

[Klick]

And bob stepping up to the plate with meta on gera. Interesting.

VOTE: geraintm

I see bobs points but idk I like gera here

aww, I like me too!

[Klick]

Bella is still scum but I don't expect anyone to follow me on it until D2/3 at the earliest

[Klick]

VOTE: Bellaphant

[Klick]

geraintm (5): UnaBombaH, Galron, popopopopopopo, Hoopla, bob3141

[Klick]

Isis your scumread on me feels incredibly easy.

[Klick]

I'm not understanding klick at all here -especially after I checked the game we mentioned and he stayed on one vote for most of the day, rather than the vote flinging he's doing here.

I could have sworn that the game we played together was the game where I got shit for shifting votes around, but I went and checked and yeah you're right.

If I find the game I WAS talking about I'll link it. But suffice it to say that I've done this before with the same criticism. Especially early on I don't see my vote as that valuable until it's on someone I actually want to lynch.

[Klick]

Klick what’s worrying you about me

263 looked bad earlier, the 'sell me on Bella' pinged me a bit as you wanting to use Hoopla to formulate your read on Bella for you. but looking at it right now I feel completely differently and actually kinda vining with notscience-town. I feel like town-you is more likely to be like 'wtf why is Klick scumreading me for flimsy reasons'
But this is moderately drunk Klick logic now vs sober Klick logic earlier. I think I trust my gut rn though because I was having a lot of trouble getting into this earlier in any capacity. You can be town notty

@bella, @klick

i still want both of you to give me an honest appraisal regarding your accuracy of reading each other's alignment.

in the event one of you flips town, how much weight should your opinion of the other's alignment be given?

We haven't actually played much mafia together at all. But last time we were both town, and I pegged her as town rather quickly into D1, whereas she always had a lowkey scumread on me.
In IRL mafia I literally just can't play with her because if I'm scum she will instantly call me on it. I'm not nearly as good at reading her IRL.

Tl;dr: low sample size/evidence, but I do actually think I can read her well on forum. This doesn't really feel like town Bella to me yet.


Im starting to develop a mild scumread on Hoopla or at least I'm not vibing with her here at all on several things. Geraintm looks obvtown to me. The wagon is indeed ass. And I think she along with several others are going in a bit unnaturally hard on the Bob wagon. The idea that Bob was an easy scum push doesn't seem intuitive to me - it was too early and there wasn't enough substance for it to be the kind of thing scum would seriously expect to successfully push early. If anything the tinfoil I had in my head earlier was that Bob was scum and had at least one buddy on him earlier who knew the wagon wouldn't take off properly due to lack of evidence.

[Klick]

Isis what do you think of this game's universal scumread on me without any interest in pulling the trigger on a eagon

[Klick]

Okay, then what do you think about it Hoopla?
Because I think it's rly weird

[Klick]

My thought was at least one scum are concerned that they wouldn't be able to get a real execute on me so they've decided to jump on the 'Klick is mildly scummy' wagon instead and let it build up to an execute tomorrow or D3

[Klick]

What makes you think I'm good at this game? it's weird hearing people say stuff like that considering my history

The problem I'm having with you right now, aside from coming to wildly different conclusions on almost everything that's happened so far, is that it almost feels like you've set up a narrative that you'd like today to go by, in a way that doesn't feel entirely guided by your reads like last game. I can see this coming from you as town (and feel free to state if that is indeed something you're doing here), but I feel like there's more clear and obvious motivation for it to come from scum.

PEdit: the motive isn't necessarily being concerned about me. I see that sort of scum play fairly often, setting up potential mis-executes they think they can get on a later day. Based on everyone's stated reads I'd certainly be a viable execute eventually if the trend continued

[Klick]

He maybe doesn't get that far Klick-town is sufficient for it all to be counterfactual :S

I'm not sober enough to understand this post

[Klick]

Notty I townread you now are you happy

[Klick]

@Una:

What would an Una scumgame look like here? Can you give me some perspective on how you play differently as town vs scum?

[Klick]

People I'd be interested in lynching today is starting to look something like this:

bob3141
Sujimichi●
Bellaphant
Emperor flippyNips
Hoopla
popopopopopopo

With like meh maybes on Galron and Dunn.

[Klick]

Of course I'd have to roll a 7 or above on a d10 when push comes to shove if I actually decided to pursue a D1 Hoopla lynch.

[Klick]

Don't worry I'd tell Bella to leave the room first

[Klick]

VOTE: Hoopla
Alright, let's give it a go. Something isn't sitting right.

[Klick]

yes, us four are probably the most dominant voices on the big dog spectrum. the fact we are fractured on our view of the gamestate is alarming to me also. i'm still reserving judgement on whether this is early game in accuracy (on my part or you lot) or whether i have reason to be paranoid.

This is stated as 'fractured' for the four of us (you/me/notty/Una), but me/notty/Una have been largely in sync as of late and you're the one who has been out of step. That's what has me singling you out in particular, and it should eliminate the 'scum have the weird perspective' angle for you (unless you think the scumteam is me/notty/Una!).

[Klick]

@Una:

What would an Una scumgame look like here? Can you give me some perspective on how you play differently as town vs scum?

Well..I'd like to argue I can imitate my townplay as scum well enough..?
It's more about getting people to believe me and trust in me.
Being a PR always mixes things up, and I pretty much always drop crumbs everywhere to show them late.
And they are rarely very simple. But they are there.
This is as either alignment, mind you. ^^

I often get underestimated by scum, so I'm very rarely nightkilled, and often pushed for as a lynch either early early, or in LyLo.
So again, me being scum wouldn't change that much either.

This specific game is going to be difficult for me anyway, I can already see that, but I have a plan.
Hope that scum will try and play ball with me this game.

This didn't answer my question at all in a way that I find rather towny.

[Klick]

....drunk klick looks a lot more town than sober klick and I agree with a lot of what he's saying. Ugh.

Yaaaaaay!
Come join me on Hoops if you don't have a ton of conviction where you are. I feel like this could be really good.

[Klick]

I dislike players who move their vote around a lot and tag along following wagons and other people's reads

I feel like you dislike a lot of things that are just inherent to my playstyle. Recognize that this one is a bias that is not particularly likely to find scum.

What do you think of Hoops, gera?

[Klick]

Now, una and someone else I can't remember now pointing out Hoopla's decreasing towniness yet not voting there really has my wheels turning. Admittedly, I haven't read their posts carefully, so maybe that would help.

My town lean on una remains, but hoopla not so much.

I didn't vote there originally because I assumed it just wouldn't be viable. But enough people feel off about her that I think it could actually happen.

Come join me!

[Klick]

I hear there’s in-wagon peanuts and a movie too

Despicable Me 8, Minions miniature golf mayhem

Not to mention a vote for dunn is a vote for a d1 scum lynch

I lol'd

Dunn doesn't feel right as a vote to me, I'm sorry. I don't really have a problem with his play right now and feel like he'll be sortable later. Plus Hoopla happily jumped onto the wagon in a way that makes me think 'jumping onto the first town wagon that could take off and net an execute'.

[Klick]

they had a little bit of an interaction with me over bobbins, but they just let it hang... it is almost like they want to be seen having interaction with everyone but nothing more than superficial

Mhmm, this resonates with me. Hoopla's interactions with you leave a bus open as an option for if she flips at any point.

A lot of what Hoopla has done today has in fact been in accordance with what seems to be her usual D1 formula. But I think it's a bit... empty, in a way that it didn't seem last time. I got the sense that Hoopla actually believed what she was saying last time. Here I'm getting stronger calculated vibes.

PEdit: I'm where you're at on her, tonally town for the most part, but I feel a bit better about her than you do. I liked her early scumread on me and its transition into prob-town - I can see that progression happening for her naturally. In general I've been able to resonate with how much she's been able to 'get into' this game. It took me ages to get into a groove here, and it feels like she picked things up around when I did, implying she's town and knows as many people's alignments as I do (just her own).

[Klick]

No, I was being weird because I couldn't really get my footing, and now I'm a lot more comfortable in my reads. I didn't really have a Hoopla read earlier while I was being weird.

Your recent posting has been a lot better. I liked you being Very Confused by my scumread on you, that didn't feel like it came from scum!Bella. And you're townreading me now, so that helps Slightly leaning town, hoping it keeps going in that direction.

[Klick]

I understand wanting to vote Flippy but there are better things to be doing with your vote right now. If Flippy continues at the same pace he's at right now it will be addressed later. We've got scum to wagon.

[Klick]

it screams of a classic "Day 1 townies looking to lynch someone and scum just letting it happen".

Have enough people even weighed in in regards to the Hoopla wagon for scum to be 'letting it happen'?

[Klick]

Don't relieve pressure now, Hoopla hasn't even seen what we've done with the place
I remember there being a few fast wagons last game? I guess the difference is that they weren't on Hoopla.

I think the core of this wagon has been town-driven. Isis feels town, Bella's approach to it has been good, you and Una are town. Dunn putting it at L-1 is sketchy but not inherently bad.

[Klick]

Dunn putting it at L-1 is sketchy but not inherently bad.

Why do you keep taking potshots at me?

[citation needed]

[Klick]

Why are you scummy?

And I don’t like lolwagons, klick knows damn well I don’t

@klick the fastest wagon from last game was pranas that took a day and a half not 12 hours

I wouldn't consider this a lolwagon.
Fair enough on timing, I wasn't really keeping track. I remember there being like 4-5 votes in a row on someone at some point.

And yeah last game provides a lot of context for this game considering how similar the playerlist is.

[Klick]

Dunn putting it at L-1 is sketchy but not inherently bad.

Why do you keep taking potshots at me?

[citation needed]

Actually yeah, why are you signalling me out of all people as taking potshots at you?

[Klick]

I feel like we jumped straight to wagon analysis before Hoopla even had a chance to come in and react. Now she has all sorts of ammo to potentially fake a stance on it.

[Klick]

I think I've only seen Hoopla's scumgame once, and it was years ago and I replaced in as her buddy. Last game (*takes shot*) Hoopla said she follows a similar formula every time D1, and based on that and the legends I've heard of scum!Hoopla, I assumed I wouldn't be able to read her today. But based on the reasons I've already given I think I could actually be onto something here.

[Klick]

I'm not quite sure why you expected that, but you are indeed brilliant

[Klick]

Why put it to L-2 if you don't want it at L-1?

[Klick]

(I've skimmed since I last posted but haven't felt the motivation to post more than minimal effort - tonight I'll do more)

Worth noting that unless you think both Galron and Dunn are scum, then at least one of these L-1 votes was town-pushed

[Klick]

Klick why do you keep making scummy posts

I thought you said I stopped doing that

[Klick]

That was a great catchup I truly feel like I know where you stand on the game bob

mostly from what ive seen. That una is whiteknighting. He is pushign a town read on me without realy explaining. Something scum do if they dont want to push a lynch but are not against it forming.

See how he keeps sayign i dont want bob, bob is a mislynch ect

But not once says a reason as to why he thinks that. Town come up with reasosn as they want to stop mislynches. Scum dont want to provide town with a reason not to vote that player. As thats against their wincon.




When i read his posts it just feels like im reading a newspaper.

Do you actually think you were in any amount of danger Bob?

[Klick]

I am getting vague town feelings off of Bob on page 25/26. It feels like he's speaking his mind a bit.

[Klick]

as a quick observation: the rapid acceleration of my wagon (when the possibility of a hoopla-wagon was wafting through the air) should give the town a clue as to my alignment.

You go on to cite myself and notty as the two most likely suspects on your wagon. I largely began the call to wagon you (although Isis voted you first), and notty hopped on towards the end but specifically has made the same observation as you here that your wagon took off fast, and has been the most hesitant to continue on with your wagon.

So how does this stand as reasoning from your point of view? What scum caused the wagon to rapidly accelerate? Because if it was town that caused it, that has no bearing on your alignment.

[Klick]

Here are my sources:

[...]

This is amidst you calling me town sporadically so it's pretty weird

I mean, up to this quote I think your game has been pretty anti-town regardless of your alignment. I lean town on you, but I'm not super confident and if you were wagoned today I wouldn't be that upset. I don't think the things you're doing are inherently scummy but I can see why others would think so.

[Klick]

this was an influential reason in why i powered and sat on the geraintm wagon as much as i did. he was a classic candidate of scum finding a vote acceptable enough to be unchallenged, then sitting on it without much reevaluation. it takes effort to be constantly reevaluating the gamestate as scum and to find convincing reasons for your opinions to change. this is why we see scum sit on hivemind-approved votes longer than town, as switching votes incurs the risk of receiving additional attention/critique of your play.

players like klick and notscience seem vote-hoppy-happy anyhow, so i don't extend the tell to capable, aware players like them, but i suspect this tell is meaningful for a player like geraintm and why i still suspect him.

Geraintm explicitly stated rather early on that he didn't like it when people hopped around with their votes. I get this as a tell that works generally, but when applied specifically to geraintm it doesn't hold much water.

PEdit: I'd be pretty fine with that lmao

[Klick]

from my perspective, it is clear there was some opportunism in the early-mid part of my wagon. given klick appears to understand the purpose of my play, his vote is highly suspicious. occam's razor: is it more likely he actually thinks i am scum here, or is he seizing the moment when whispers of hoopla suspicion started floating about? i think the latter. and as a bonus moment of suspicion; calling for bellaphant to join the wagon in 536. isn't she your suspect?

Given you've expressed similar wariness of myself and notty for not seeing eye-to-eye with you before this, why is it unlikely that I scumread you for it?
Bella had already started being more town by 536 (and at the present moment is a pretty strong townread). Even outside of that, why should I care what Bella's alignment is when asking her to join the wagon on you? It calls for support on your wagon

and

gives me info on her.

I don't think Hoopla has enough justification as town to want to vote me here over some of the less active/high-utility players in this game (see ALL of her Neutral pile in her reads - Dunn, Suji, popo and Flippy).

[Klick]

if there were scum amongst us, why do you expect it to be the one with independent thoughts, as opposed to someone mimicking the de facto narrative? an easier position for a you/una/klick type character as scum to take is to agree with the orthodoxy, especially if it isn't threatening to yourself/teammates.

Then why did you find it odd/suspicious in the first place when you weren't on the same page with myself and notty?

[Klick]

Page 27 interaction between Dunn and notty is TvT.

[Klick]

Can you explain why you thought those slots were town? Like, I was literally only strongly town reading Una there....

so,

you are asking me to time travel,


embody a previous version of myself,



just so i can relay to you a grainy snapshot of a moment long since passed?

I mildly suspect Hoopla stated early townreads on popo/Flippy for convenience so she didn't have to push at least one of them. Especially Flippy, since in her reads list she doesn't mention anything about a previous townread on him.
Thid lines up with popo and Flippy both being players I have no town feelings about. If Hoopla is scum I'd expect at least one of these two to be a buddy.

[Klick]

It’s not really that outrageous hoops, it happens all the time

It’s only hard if it’s made up

Ding dong

[Klick]

Why is everyone voting for Hoopla if she isn't scummy?

I missed where people who are voting her said she wasn't scummy?

[Klick]

bob3141

notscience
geraintm
UnaBombaH

Replacement for Sujimichi

Klick
Bellaphant

Emperor flippyNips

Galron

Hoopla
popopopopopopo

Isis
Dunnstral

Crossed out is town, italics is probably not scum, bolded is where the scum are likely to be.

[Klick]

bob3141

notscience

geraintm

UnaBombaH
Replacement for Sujimichi

Klick

Bellaphant

Emperor flippyNips
Galron

Hoopla

popopopopopopo

Isis

Dunnstral

Green = friends
Black = neutral
Red = randomly passive-agressive

[Klick]

Yes, friends out-of-game

I don't really know how to respond when you say I'm scummy because you've yet to be able to put it to words. I got the earlier scumreads because I was being weird early on, but I'm not really seeing where you get a scumread on me at this point.

Im assuming you unvoted to remove the lolhammer possibility?

[Klick]

bob3141

notscience

geraintm

UnaBombaH
Replacement for Sujimichi

Klick

Bellaphant

Emperor flippyNips
Galron

Hoopla

popopopopopopo

Isis

Dunnstral

Green = friends
Black = neutral
Red = randomly passive-agressive

Tell me if I'm wrong

You'd be wrong irt Isis, unless you're counting the italics as townreads, in which case I townread almost everyone in this game.
And yeah, my scumreads are Hoopla and slots that I don't think are town via PoE (which tends to correlate with lurking).

I suppose I'm missing your point, unless it was just to complain about the playerlist again.

[Klick]

i am an even-night friendly neighbour.

booooo

[Klick]

I would be completely fine with executing Hoopla anyway
If her wagon falls apart I'll switch to popopopopopopo but I do think if we give up now we'll just be executing her D3 anyway

[Klick]

VOTE: popopo
Let's gogogo

[Klick]

You are an incredibly unpleasant person Dunnstral

[Klick]

Ughhhhhh

ggwp.

[Klick]

Yeah we need to get better at not overvaluing PR claims D1. Flossing Hoopla there was just the right play.

I think mid-D4 was the right time to claim that guilty

[Klick]

You seemed to be conscious of the fact that your reads weren't based on much that would be alignment-indicative, yet you very strongly held to them anyway.

Best advice I could give you would be to try working together with the town more, particularly late-game. In those last two days the town all needed to work together to get a scum flossed, but you were artificially limiting your reads too much for that to be possible.
Youre particularly good at getting townread, but your reads need work and that's okay. Until then, you'll probably have the most success sheeping people that you particularly think are town and/or strong (and having a healthy dose of paranoia if they keep leading you astray).

[Klick]

You guys played very well, don't let the dead thread take away from that.
Besides, most of the groaning was by me, and I was out before D1 was over.