Mini Normal 2153: Post-game

[Galron]

Hey all.

VOTE: unabombah

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Clowns are evil, but verb evil?

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bunny Isis

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I wasn't told there would be ice cream. That changes things.

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I like Hoopla's posting so far.

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Alright! I'm winning!

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I don't get the hoopla vote either, but I learned last game about not trusting Isis.

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I don't get the hoopla vote either, but I learned last game about not trusting Isis.

i suspect isis/pops is trying to razz me for old times sake.

playground horseplay type stuff.

Fair enough. She's a puzzle as is anyway

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I had to go and check why I think Dunn is a very good townplayer.

Good as scum as well. Be wary.

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Galron m’boy why didn’t you ever answer the question from bella?

Why is Isis a puzzle?

Point me to it.

Isis is cagey, refined.

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I didn't switch from RVS? Been on una the entire game?

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...was the bunny thing just a joke I didn't understand? I thought it was a 'vote' in disguise.

Yeah, just messin' around.

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Galron m’boy why didn’t you ever answer the question from bella?

Why is Isis a puzzle?

Point me to it.

Isis is cagey, refined.

I'm gonna backtrack a bit. Cagey isn't a good word here. I'm not sure what fits. But cagey isn't exactly it. Refined, yes.

Crafty. I think that's the word I'm looking for.

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What do you expect from bob?

I've been in a game where he was active enough day 1 as town to step in and try and stop a wagon that was about to lynch smeone they thought shouldn't be, and was high profile enough that they then got themselves lynched.

this game....not like that at all. very passive

Isis beat me to it, but we're just a little over 36 hours into this game.

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Galron, are you an alt who has played with me on a main? It seems unusual to describe someone as "crafty" when you've only seen them play town.

Yes.

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Because bob might actually be scum for real reasons

I don't get this. I haven't seen anything scum-worthy from bob. In fact, his posts have been spectacularly meh.

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Early town pings from flippy.

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And bob stepping up to the plate with meta on gera. Interesting.

VOTE: geraintm

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I didn't switch from RVS? Been on una the entire game?

You still think I'm the best target for your vote?

Color me confused.

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I didn't switch from RVS? Been on una the entire game?

You still think I'm the best target for your vote?

Color me confused.

Benefit of the doubt, you missed post 230 waving at you from above.

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The arguments for a bob wagon are bad. That he feels off? We're barely out of the gate. It's too early for that. Besides, he's into it now, cf. 224-226.

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Early, but una, flippy, bella, hoopla feeling townish.

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@galron

interesting. i saw your town reads post as i was rereading the thread and constructing mine. are you a D1 townhunter? please describe your process.

also, why is flippy town?

No process. They just look like the corner pieces rn.

Flippy's townie on tone. And I like that he took a stance on Dunn.

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Yeah I wasn't in on the klick rebellion game or whatever, but this looks like town flippy to me so far.

I will say that looking back, popo comes off a little graspy, as pointed out by geraintm, I think, which makes my vote on gera a little problematic. Tangled web and all that. Plenty of time to sort though.

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If I look again, maybe not so graspy. I dunno yet.

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Not feeling geraintm like I was after skimming today's action. UNVOTE: all

Will catch up tomorrow.

[Galron]

Not feeling geraintm like I was after skimming today's action. UNVOTE: all

Will catch up tomorrow.

hmmm, it felt like an opportunistic vote on me in the first place. and you are slidng off now too. let me say I find that less townie than the average person here

I haven't decided if this is scummy or if you're just taunting me.

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i'm suitably convinced with galron's progression into this game. i was concerned his early game coolness was an act. it turns out he is actually just cool.

UNVOTE:

bella, we might have to jump ship...

This post seems pockety, but other than that I know I'm not cool. What in my progression led you to this?

What I want most of all is a dunn wagon right now- would you be interested in partaking or sharing thoughts on his recent assertion about peoples reads changing based on his?

here is where we have commonground.

geraintm's wagon is at feverpitch. i can sense it. i can

feel

it. i don't want to abandon my post yet - especially given he has been quite responsive to pressure.

consider myself spiritually on the dunn wagon. i give it my stamp of approval.

*slaps roof of geraintm wagon*

yep, she's a beaut. so much town powering that wagon, you wouldn't know what to do with her. sad to see her go.

good job everyone, beautiful production!

UNVOTE:

And going from hardcore on the geraintm wagon to hopping off two hours later seems odd. It's like I missed a chapter in a book. What happened in between other than me jumping off?

Now, una and someone else I can't remember now pointing out Hoopla's decreasing towniness yet not voting there really has my wheels turning. Admittedly, I haven't read their posts carefully, so maybe that would help.

My town lean on una remains, but hoopla not so much.

And then geraintm calls my voting for him opportunistic, when it really wasn't -- it was a reaction to bob's meta read on him, and then he calls me unvoting him scummy, which it isn't -- I simply didn't find much reason to keep a vote on him. I was the first to vote for him (well, other than una's rvs vote) and the first to hop off his wagon, yet both ways he finds me scummy?

And flippy, come back. You need to speak.

Bella v Klick I can't get my head around yet. I'm going back and forth. Is that TvT? Both are kind of towny and kind of scummy. Nullish I guess.

Didn't mean for that to turn into an unprompted list, but there you go.

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Hey, I don't know how many times I've had to break into my own house. Apartments though.

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It shouldn't. I definitely don't feel that way about una or flippy. I only mentioned people who were foremost in my mind. It was a stream of consciousness thing. I am feeling a little pessimistic after reading the last few pages though, so I can understand I guess if my tone came out that way.

Don't you think the Bella v Klick thing is odd? Or at least like watching two people on a see saw? Or geraintm's passive aggressive treatment of my being on his wagon? I mean, I had brought up that he was impatient for calling out bob's lack of posting long before popo did, and geraintm goes after popo for raising the same thing. Is geraintm the type of player to miss details like that?

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VOTE: replacement

Jump in. The water's not exactly warm, but you get used to it.

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Why is Replacement for Sujimichi not drawing any attention?

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Notsci, didn't you say something about ice cream? Can we do that now? Maybe a double butter brickle?

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galron - i keep changing my mind about this slot, but if there's scum off my wagon - he's one of them. challenged me in post 502, then didn't jump on the hoopla bandwagon when it was taking off, despite throwing shade there. has been quiet/only posted about sujimichi's slot during my speedwagon. looks as if he's taken the approach of contributing to the whispers of hoopla-paranoia, then sitting back watching it happen to preempt getting blood on his hands from my mis-execute.

C'mon now. No need for me to contribute to a L-2 or thereabouts wagon I had just woken up to. I could have acknowledged it, yes, but sigh... It really wouldn't have accomplished anything. You were being sorted without my doing any lifting. Replacement for Sujimichi, on the other hand, was, and is, decidedly not.

Question about this: "popo has a feeling of active lurking about him." What qualifies as active lurking, and is it a bad thing to be an active lurker? I'll give you my view first. I define an active lurker as someone who monitors the thread, and when they see something they want to comment on for whatever reason, they will post and then go back to monitoring the thread. This may come from town or scum. Active lurking is what I do when I am focused on something else, like work, and I haven't been able to devote much to thinking about what's going on in the thread, but I do know, or at least have a general sense of, what's being posted. I'll skim a page or two, and if I see a post directed at me I may Beetlejuice if I'm able to respond, but I don't know that that's inherently a scummy thing to do. It's just practical in my view. What is your definition of active lurking?

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I resent double butter brickle also

Double butter brickle resents Parkay.

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@galron

who are your top scumreads at the moment?

I need to read yesterday's posts, beginning with the speed wagon on you. That's pretty much where I was caught up to. Then I will circle round to this. But I will say Klick and Bellaphant sound better to me. Klick more so. I'm not sure who said it, maybe Bella, but something in Klick's tone has changed. But it's been just a couple of days, so maybe not a good sample size yet. I'm also happy that Isis is more active than what she was because I was a bit concerned about her -- just a bit because the end of the game we were just in she kind of trailed off so I thought it may be mbo. I wish flippy and bob would come back. Geraintm too, but it's the weekend. I need to look at this post flurry from bob that people are talking about -- I saw it but don't remember it. Dunnstral's asking me for a read on him, and I'm really going back and forth, which can be viewed as scummy on my part, but it's honest. And there seems to be a number of people who aren't posting much, including me, who need to join the conversation.

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There seems to be a lot of bias carried from whatever previous game y'all were involved in. Was that the rebellion game that was discussed earlier?

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I don’t really get how people think Dunn’s town when all he’s done is complain that people are scumreading him

He's made some decent pushes.

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VOTE: notscience

bad faith argument

This is an overreaction. Are you voting him for anything else?

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Going back to look at the Hoopla wagon a little more carefully. Around 18 hours before it starts, Geraintm's wagon is nearly full, and I leave it. Hoopla, who had just said no to leaving, hops off. Dunnstral and Unahbombah start questioning Hoopla's towniness. I chime in. Isis puts down the first vote for Hoopla in 531 based on perspective slip. 13 minutes later Klick votes Hoopla, and 20 minutes later Bellaphant votes her (3 votes). Two hours after that notscience votes her (4 votes). At the same time notscience votes her, Una votes her (5 votes). An hour and a half later Dunnstral votes her (6 votes) to put her at L-1. Notsci then relieves the pressure.

All 6 votes occurred my time between 3:30 AM and 7:30 AM. What happened? It couldn't have been an all-town wagon, could it? I didn't like Una's vote especially. The timing seems off. The wagon was gaining steam with 3 votes. Una had just two posts before (20 minutes timewise) placed a vote on Flippy. His vote on Hoopla was nearly simultaneous with Notscience's. It looks like a shady vote if Hoopla is town. Someone mentioned Dunnstral's L-1 vote being scummy. Was it though?

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VOTE: replacement

Jump in. The water's not exactly warm, but you get used to it.

yeah...I am going to have to ignore your votes for the rest of the day. you are here, there and everywhere.

This is just untrue. Your crown must be made of lead. Replacement for Sujimichi was just the second real vote of the day for me -- either you're not paying attention or you're blowing bubbles. And I don't think you're one not to pay attention.

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People keep saying there have been all town wagons this game when there really haven’t lol

I see a few things in this game that are making it difficult. 1) the previous game y'all shared is biasing a lot of game play or at least causing a late reset in this one; 2) too many lurkers/late starters; 3) there are no obvtown or obvscum. We're halfway through Day 1, and we've had no super strong arguments on anyone.

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@galron, your poat about the wagon feels like info, not analysis - who's jump on that wagon feels scummy/badly positioned?

Una's.

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VOTE: hoopla

E-1

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I really don't like how that wagon gained steam so quickly, but Hoopla is still acting scummy.

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Everyone was scummy in Triad.

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After the pizza post, ofc.

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Why is everyone voting for Hoopla if she isn't scummy?

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Exactly

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@galron, your poat about the wagon feels like info, not analysis - who's jump on that wagon feels scummy/badly positioned?

Una's.

Wait a minute - based on what? You preflip associating?
I now have nasty feeling about this wagon with Galron dropping posts like this, and then joining the wagon anyway..

If you look at 732, you'll see why I don't like the way you voted. I don't mind the vote itself -- I just don't like the way it was done. All told, I'm not a huge fan of this lynch as it stands, but Hoopla is scummy, and we really need information.

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I don't believe Hoopla most likely, but I don't understand the ice cream truck wagon mentality.

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People keep saying there have been all town wagons this game when there really haven’t lol

this ^^

VOTE: replacement

Jump in. The water's not exactly warm, but you get used to it.

yeah...I am going to have to ignore your votes for the rest of the day. you are here, there and everywhere.

This is just untrue. Your crown must be made of lead. Replacement for Sujimichi was just the second real vote of the day for me -- either you're not paying attention or you're blowing bubbles. And I don't think you're one not to pay attention.

not just votes. you are spewing reads on everyone (or were when I wrote the post).

Umm.. okay.

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It's like popopo and flippy are playing hooky together, but I don't see the sense in wagoning either of them unless it's policy at this point.

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Bob I had decent feelings about, but he's seemed to have bailed. RFS I still think is under the radar.

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I don't mind the geraintm wagon so much, but I don't like hoopla pushing it. And it has dead weight on it.

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I'm kind of null scum on gera anyway.

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I'm talking to Klick, of course, not Isis. I too want to flip popo, especially since it feels like everyone except for Una who has posted recently, who hasn't been on the wagon, has been strangely opposed to it

What's strange about not wanting to execute a low-info slot?

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I will be like around tho to like be the comedy relief like and post gifs and stuff






Pedit: ninja’d -_-

Do you have any Back to the Future GIFs?

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The only reason i can see why you wouldnt mention hoopla is if he was a town read. But he cant be town read as why would you even contemplate lynchign hoopla if he was. Thus he is null or a scum read and you have made no attempt to sort him. Yet are happy to end the day early with his lynch, with you being the hammer. Looks like your scum roel fishing to me.

You gave yourself room to row back room with the vt comment. But clearly at the same time you had no convocation. If he was a real scum read you wouldnt of put that row back in. You might decide against it after his role claim but not before.

Looks to me like you just wanted the role claim so you could narrow down the town pr.

Bob, why aren't you engaging with anyone else?

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I too want to flip popo, especially since it feels like everyone except for Una who has posted recently, who hasn't been on the wagon, has been strangely opposed to it

Yea, I do not necessarily object to it, but I'm not too excited about it either.
I'm feeling sort of uninterested with the game now. That Hoopla-claim makes it literally antitown to keep my vote on her, since her claimed role should be confirmed.
But I just have this solid feeling it's a scum fakeclaiming, and they are now living on borrowed time.
Dunno. I wasn't particularly scumreading them before, but I joined the wagon anyway.
And anything and everything they said afterwards only sold scum!Hoopla to me more.

So all of this other stuff sort of feels like filler to me right now.

Other than the first phrase, I agree with this. Hoopla is still scummy, but we dare not execute a PR claim no one believes for some reason. I mean, how strong is an even night neighborizer anyway?

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Lol. Yes, I did. I don't know that that changes my conclusion though.

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That's what I'm talking 'bout. Your kids are gonna love it.

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And we have to wait another day on Hoopla.

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I want to hear more from Replacement for Sujimichi.

VOTE: Replacement for Sujimichi

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Seems to come out too many anchovies and not enough pepperoni, Porkens. My guess anyway.

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I could only aspire to rise to Isis scum level.

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This game? I can't say much rn. I was talking in general.

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I had a couple of pings earlier. I can't remember what they were right off though.

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Hmm...

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dunnstral - don't think they ever got above 2 votes at any point, just from hoopla and not science

I looked over their posts in my 495 and said I thought they were throwing around lots of votes but they are unlikely to be scum, too obvious to be scum.

my last interaction with them was 1000, where they thougt I was defending popopopo but I wasn't.

This seems... defensive.

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looking over Bella's post

most of the game I am pretty null on their posts

VOTE: popo

Can we have some consolidation? The fact we have four separate, not leading wagons on 2 votes cries 'vote parking'.

I'm coming around on dun, annoyingly.

^^ this caught my eye though.
pushing the wagon onto popopo and also a mention of Dunn.
and then just nothing for the rest of the data except a "why not popopo" post, they just seemed to get themselves onto popopo and no come off.

I'd eat my hat if the scum team was nitty/Una/klick

VOTE: hoops

Tbf I'd still do dun. Or popo.

I would be completely fine with executing Hoopla anyway
If her wagon falls apart I'll switch to popopopopopopo but I do think if we give up now we'll just be executing her D3 anyway

This basically mirrors my thoughts..I'm concerned about the level of... construction in hoops' posts (how hard is it to say you were stoned and made a few weird posts?) But like...*shrug*

like, there was nothing to it, I can't see a good reason for them to end up on popopo and just let the lynch happen.

their progression of votes was galron > hooplas > popopo

and none looked good to me now when I look back.
so yeah, just have them in non-town pile

I agree with most, if not all of, this though.

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trying to work out why galron didn't react to my post on them though

Without post links, lazy me won't look the posts up, so most of it I didn't know what you're talking about. I don't recall defending popo's lurkiness; I think I'll have to see the context there. I guess I could have. The other posts I don't know what you're getting at because I haven't looked them up yet. And the thing about not moving my vote after voting for Hoopla, whatever. I think I had two real votes after RVS yesterday. One on you and one one Hoopla. You made some post about how I was moving around, and when I pointed out that I wasn't, you clarified and said that I was "spewing reads" or "spewing town reads" I think as if that was a bad thing. So I really don't know what you're on about.

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@galron

I dislike players who tag people as scum, place lots of votes. If a player ends up thinking 80% of the players are scum then that isn't helpful, and I felt it was what you were doing in the first half ofnyesterfay

I actually agree with RFS on the general point, but with me specifically, I was doing neither of the things you describe. In fact, I've told you a couple of times now that I only placed two votes after rvs, and I certainly didn't scum read a bunch of people the entire day, let alone the first half.

So why the shade?

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Is that Doug?

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A synesthetic reads list of a sort. Kind of adds some flavor to the place. A piece of psychological art.

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@galron

I dislike players who tag people as scum, place lots of votes. If a player ends up thinking 80% of the players are scum then that isn't helpful, and I felt it was what you were doing in the first half ofnyesterfay

I actually agree with RFS on the general point, but with me specifically, I was doing neither of the things you describe. In fact, I've told you a couple of times now that I only placed two votes after rvs, and I certainly didn't scum read a bunch of people the entire day, let alone the first half.

So why the shade?

I guess with so many town reading geraintm they just don't see that he's either mistaken here or just outright lying?

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VOTE: Bella

This is bothersome. When you did it yesterday I was kind of wondering why, but I wanted to see what happened. I need to say something this time round though lest we get the same result.

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we have too many players sitting back and not voting; not taking stances.

this concerns me.

Geraintm doesn't do weekends. Bellaphant is vla. Not defenses, just pointing out I'm not surprised.

Floppy and Bob, yeah. It would be swell if they were into the game.

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Oh yeah. And where the hell is Doug?

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I am the Silence.

Hoopla scummy. Geraintm maybe scummy. Isis maybe scummy. Bunch of nulls. Una maybe town. Bella maybe town.

Something like that.

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Should have more town reads than this. I'm crushed I'm not hard towning Isis after Avalon.

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Oop. Triad. Was playing Avalon the same time.

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Triad required more caution. One bad vote and the game falls apart. Here, we get at least two mis-lynches to figure things out. No need to solve the game on day 1 or 2, just make some progress. I was sweating bullets with turkey awol at the end and everyone acting scummy. We didn't have the luxuries in that game we're afforded here.

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And if I understand you correctly, even though I eventually made the correct decision in that game, you're telling me I'm too late in this one, which I'm not sure I quite get.

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I like this avatar.

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Bob wagon as it is makes me think there are no more than two maf in RFS/Isis/notscience.

Still think Hóopla is scummy, but I did agree with her on a recent post. Just five minutes ago I read it, and I can't recall it dammit all. Anyway, I don't think she's scummy with Porkens, but that's kinda throwing a dart logic.

Bob and notscience I don't know. I didn't follow a lot of it.

Starting to think flippy just doesn't want to put the work in as scum.

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trying to go through isis now,
they were agains the hoopla lynch, so they get points for that.

bugger, how did I get that wrong??? they were for the hoopla lynch, so they lose points. Sorry Replacement. and I meant to be talking about popo, like, I have no idea what I was saying. I was rushing before a meeting started is my only excuse.

yeah, this slot seems a lot worse now.

This backtrack is good. When I read the initial post quickly earlier I had to do a double take.

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I'm relieved Replacement for Sujimichi responded to a prod. I was concerned we were to see Substitute for Replacement for Sujimichi.

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I'm sure Not_Mafia will get around to content at some point, but that vote reeks right now.

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I'm not voting Bella at this point because all we have is her shadow right now, and I haven't seen anything worth getting worked up about. There's enough pressure there as it is, and I want to hear what she has to say on her catch-up.

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Porkens is right. There was some bad naked voting on popopo yesterday. Today the wagon on Bella looks similar. Notsci likes the people on the wagon, Not_Mafia and geraintm don't give reasons. Isis voted the second time without a reason -- I don't remember if she gave one the first time. I guess people will call it a defense of Bella if she flips red, but I get close to the same feeling from this wagon as I do from popopo's yesterday.

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Now it's time for an ice cream break. Moose tracks.

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You lost me porkens

Porkens is saying I make three posts that tacitly call Bella town, when it was more nuanced than that.

[Galron]

Now it's time for an ice cream break. Moose tracks.

Not a crumb btw. The first flavor that came to mind.

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Sell me on isis una? I’ve liked most of their posting

The way they picked up your first posts of the day.
Felt like they were spinning it to fit their own agenda of scum!Una.
And setting up lynches beyond Hoopla tomorrow.
And when I asked for more, they were only able to come up with "maybe it's a tone-thing".
OK, I know they aren't voting for me as of now, but that almost makes me scumread that earlier push more.

They got nothing more out of it, but manufactured shade on me.
And if they get their way, bob flips today, Hoopla tomorrow, and Una after that.
That automatically screams "scum agenda" to me, and makes me feel even more certain about town!bob.

Who is the "they" you're referring to? I have to confess the pronoun thing is messing me up also. I assume you're talking about Isis. If so, do you think her change and explanation from bella to bob to bella was manufactured? And with Hoopla, you've been scum reading her, right? I think nearly all of us have been, including Isis. Is this a perspective slip? I thought you had had Isis and Hoopla partnered up, but now? Unless you're saying Hoopla's a bus tomorrow? I guess that that's what you have to be saying. Otherwise the contradiction is too blatant.

Anyway, if Isis's explanation for switching votes back to Bella was sincere, does that change your conclusion about bob here? Frankly, I'm going back and forth on bob myself.

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Replacement for Sujimichi is coasting. More people should be voting there.

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Porkens is right. There was some bad naked voting on popopo yesterday. Today the wagon on Bella looks similar. Notsci likes the people on the wagon, Not_Mafia and geraintm don't give reasons. Isis voted the second time without a reason -- I don't remember if she gave one the first time. I guess people will call it a defense of Bella if she flips red, but I get close to the same feeling from this wagon as I do from popopo's yesterday.

That is unfair to say I voted bella with no reason

looking over Bella's post

most of the game I am pretty null on their posts

VOTE: popo

Can we have some consolidation? The fact we have four separate, not leading wagons on 2 votes cries 'vote parking'.

I'm coming around on dun, annoyingly.

^^ this caught my eye though.
pushing the wagon onto popopo and also a mention of Dunn.
and then just nothing for the rest of the data except a "why not popopo" post, they just seemed to get themselves onto popopo and no come off.

I'd eat my hat if the scum team was nitty/Una/klick

VOTE: hoops

Tbf I'd still do dun. Or popo.

I would be completely fine with executing Hoopla anyway
If her wagon falls apart I'll switch to popopopopopopo but I do think if we give up now we'll just be executing her D3 anyway

This basically mirrors my thoughts..I'm concerned about the level of... construction in hoops' posts (how hard is it to say you were stoned and made a few weird posts?) But like...*shrug*

like, there was nothing to it, I can't see a good reason for them to end up on popopo and just let the lynch happen.

their progression of votes was galron > hooplas > popopo

and none looked good to me now when I look back.
so yeah, just have them in non-town pile

I didn't quote this post in the one I actually voted for bella, but I had clearly gone through their posts and said I hated their lynch vote yesterday.

You're right. I didn't catch this when I was posting.

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I guess I'll take another look at RFS's iso.

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Ugh. This page is awful. Entertaining in parts. I had a flashback to 1989 while reading.

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Well if this is not_mafia, I'm okay with a policy there or RFS either one. Unless nm is a lylo grandmaster. I disagree with flipping a strong player just to sort another strong player wrt Bella and Isis.

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Really, given what everyone has said about nm, I have a null scum read there only bc of flippy flaking. I've only seen him do that as scum. So nm would be policy for me but disagree on >rand.

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I didn't preview, but I think I agree with that Isis just wrote.

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I don't understand what the case is on Bella I guess. I don't think you're asking me though.

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Gera and Bob I wish were more engaged. Bob's distance has me puzzled.

[Galron]

Yeah I can't answer that.

[Galron]

I don't understand what the case is on Bella I guess. I don't think you're asking me though.

Can you explain what you mean by this?


Ive seen the exact same comment in a prior scum game of mine. In that game my partner said something exactly like your posts. In that game he was commenting on the wagon that had built up on his partner. He didn't directly challenge the push their put instead skirted around the issue.

A lot of people seem to want to lynch bella, and I don't know why if you're asking about the first part. If you're asking about the second part, I thought she was asking Isis, I think, and not me, about it. Or someone. I don't remember who I thought she was asking.

[Galron]

Well if this is not_mafia, I'm okay with a policy there or RFS either one. Unless nm is a lylo grandmaster. I disagree with flipping a strong player just to sort another strong player wrt Bella and Isis.

So between isis and bella. What do you think the relationship is.

tvt
tvs
svs


And if you think its tvs, who do you think is scum and why?

I think it's probably town/town. If you ask me if one of them were scum, which would it more likely be, I would say at this time probably Isis, although at the beginning of the game I would have said Bella. Isis has hopped around a bit too much for my liking without explanation, and there have been a couple of other things I haven't liked. But there have been a few things about Bella I haven't liked also, but I'm not sure what those were off the top of my head. Right now I think she is likely town. I think it turned around for me with her when her outlook toward Klick changed. I'm not sure why that affected my read of her but I think it did.

I keep telling myself I need to reread this game, but I am unmotivated to do so.

[Galron]

I really should preview these posts.

[Galron]

Really, given what everyone has said about nm, I have a null scum read there only bc of flippy flaking. I've only seen him do that as scum. So nm would be policy for me but disagree on >rand.

So you agree with me, and disagree with Isis based on this? Right?

I didn't preview, but I think I agree with that Isis just wrote.

???

Why aren't these two separate posts? The way you have them it appears you're trying to make a point that there's an inconsistency, but I don't know what that inconsistency would be.

[Galron]

I don't understand what the case is on Bella I guess. I don't think you're asking me though.

Can you explain what you mean by this?


Ive seen the exact same comment in a prior scum game of mine. In that game my partner said something exactly like your posts. In that game he was commenting on the wagon that had built up on his partner. He didn't directly challenge the push their put instead skirted around the issue.

A lot of people seem to want to lynch bella, and I don't know why if you're asking about the first part. If you're asking about the second part, I thought she was asking Isis, I think, and not me, about it. Or someone. I don't remember who I thought she was asking.

It was una who I thought she was asking.

[Galron]

We could wagon Galron tbh

Anyway, this would be a mistake. And it wouldn't be a good idea, as Tommy would say.

[Galron]

I don't understand what the case is on Bella I guess. I don't think you're asking me though.

Can you explain what you mean by this?


Ive seen the exact same comment in a prior scum game of mine. In that game my partner said something exactly like your posts. In that game he was commenting on the wagon that had built up on his partner. He didn't directly challenge the push their put instead skirted around the issue.

And I can't believe that what I said is that uncommon. Why would you automatically attribute it to a scum motivation? What part of what I said exactly triggered you?

[Galron]

Angry in general, or angry at the game?

[Galron]

And I keep meaning to compliment the mod on linking the votes in the VC. It's quite helpful.

[Galron]

He seems pretty unambiguous that it's external

Well, I got that impression, but not as clearly.

[Galron]

Hoopla, why am I a better vote than RFS right now?

[Galron]

I guess NM too. I thought we had good pressure on RFS.

[Galron]

So let's remove the option of a wagon on a player a number of people have questioned and start one on a player who is nearly universally meh. So now instead of two strong wagons, we have one strong wagon and two soft. Just when the wagon on RFS was getting interesting.

[Galron]

I agree that the Bella wagon is likely to break up btw.

[Galron]

I still think Bella is the wrong execution today. But if that 5th vote comes, I'll give intent. Consider that a warning to any lol hammers.

[Galron]

start one on a player who is nearly universally meh

Sounds like the perfect candidate for a wagon

Not when there are better candidate out there.

[Galron]

Intent then. Let her speak.

[Galron]

I did an image search. Some of those look pretty neat.

[Galron]

Reminds me of dioramas we used to do but on a grander scale.

[Galron]

Hmm.

[Galron]

I feel better then.

[Galron]

Galron who is scum?

Other than Hoopla, I dunno. I think maybe RFS. I think maybe you, but both of those reads are weak.

[Galron]

What do you think, NM, since you're feeling talkative.

[Galron]

Hasn't really changed. Una, Porkens, I guess that one's new. Bella is null town as is Bob.

[Galron]

I asked you the question

Right. So why does that preclude me from asking you will is scum?

[Galron]

Yea, no immediate lolhammer-danger yet - I'm fine with this for now.

Other than Hoopla, I dunno. I think maybe RFS. I think maybe you, but both of those reads are weak.

So if I vote you now, I get to be on the scumlist?

VOTE: Galron

Why would that be? Those have been my reads for some time now.

[Galron]

Hasn't really changed. Una, Porkens, I guess that one's new.

Bella is null town

as is Bob.

Yet you were pushing for someone to put her to E-1 so you could declare intent?

I think I was clear I didn't like the lynch, but I didn't want an lolhammer.

[Galron]

There has been something about the way you post Galron that pings me.
All throughout the game.
It sort of feels like you are almost engaging in whatever is in front of you, but then you just..dont?

Like here, your first response to the idea of people wagoning you was more powerful and immediate.
It felt like you might be making a statement.
And now you've skirted answers with N_M and that feeling is completely gone IMO.

You need to be more specific.

[Galron]

You need to be more specific.

When describing you to you? You know what, I'll do your ISO today anyway.
I'll try and keep and eye out for these examples as well.

I'm just not sure what you're driving at. So, yes, point me to it.

[Galron]

What does engaging what is in front of you but then not mean?

[Galron]

And then skirting answers with nm? I was pretty direct. I did ask him to reciprocate though.

[Galron]

And you haven't explained why you would be on my scum list for voting me.

[Galron]

And you haven't explained why you would be on my scum list for voting me.

To una.

[Galron]

But now I'd like ice cream. But it's bedtime.

[Galron]

What does engaging what is in front of you but then not mean?

It could mean many things, but more than anything, there are always either half-measures in terms of following up on declared reads, or making calls about actions being scummy/towny, but then acting on them differently anyway.

@galron, your poat about the wagon feels like info, not analysis - who's jump on that wagon feels scummy/badly positioned?

Una's.

Wait a minute - based on what? You preflip associating?
I now have nasty feeling about this wagon with Galron dropping posts like this, and then joining the wagon anyway..

Something like this maybe?
Just a quick search for your name in my own ISO to give you something that has pinged me before as well.
Here you had called me out for joining that wagon, but then decided to join it yourself.
Instead of pushing for me/trying to come up with a wagon yourself etc etc.

I still think Galrons stance on this wagon / my vote on Hoopla makes little sense to me.
They are either thinking Hoopla is going to flip scum -> me joining the wagon means something OR they are thinking Hoopla is going to flip town -> me joining the wagon means something ELSE.
You can't just say my way of joining the wagon was the scummiest (or however it was phrased) without considering the implications Hooplas flip is going to give.
Or I mean, you CAN, but then you'd be arguing that no matter what Hoopla flips, I'm the bad guy here.

I don't think that's a rational way to read things.

This is regarding that same situation.

I don't mind the geraintm wagon so much, but I don't like hoopla pushing it. And it has dead weight on it.

Now

THIS

is sitting on a fence while we are really closing in on the lynch of the day.

And this is something I noticed earlier this gameday, about your positioning at the end of the D1.
D2 I started with by still townleaning you over gera, but there were some pointers here as well.

And these are all just from my own ISO, not even diving into yours.
So these are some of the things that have already pinged me throughout the game.

When you iso me you'll see where I said that I was okay with the vote on Hoopla, but I didn't like your positioning or something. I don't remember the exact wording.

I really don't see the problem with the second thing. I didn't at the time either. I don't think I responded to it accordingly.

[Galron]

And you haven't explained why you would be on my scum list for voting me.

Oh, that was just a silly jab at you.
You named the two people voting you + RfS as your scumreads.
It sort of felt like lazy/OMGUS.

Gotcha. Fair enough. Umm.. I feel like I should put a curse or something on you.

[Galron]

I’m not going to lie your presence on the wagons has deterred me a bit hoops

Idk.

would you like me to unvote for a while so you feel comfortable voting? i promise to give you first dibs of the current wagons before i tarnish any with my stank.

here;

UNVOTE:

This is what una just called me out for.

[Galron]

This is what una just called me out for.

Yea.
And calling out Hoopla for anything right now is a moot point.

Hoopla isn't the offender in that instance. It's notsci.

[Galron]

But like I said, I don't see a problem with notsci's position. I do see each inconsistency in the treatment of it though.

[Galron]

Well, like I said before, RFS is where you should be voting. He is coasting. There have been two engagements that I can remember, one with bob and one with notsci, and neither were particularly favorable to him, at least that's the impression I have at this moment. Both Bob and Notscience came out of those looking better to me.

I'm guilty of being reactive, I'll fully admit that. I was thinking about what Una said, and I'm wondering if he's talking about me addressing posts but not going back and checking my facts, because I do that a lot. I really haven't felt the motivation to do that this game. So when I say that Isis said someone was towny, but I don't remember who, I don't go back and look to see who that was, unless I'm in a catch-up or run across it. Maybe that's what Una meant by me addressing posts but not really addressing posts -- I don't know. I think I said before I need to read this game -- I think that would help.

BTW, I think notscience is going into my town reads after his latest unvote on RFS and then vote on Bella. I disagree with the votes themselves, but the way he went about them I thought was towny.

[Galron]

That was supposed to be in direct response to Isis. Damn my lack of preview.

[Galron]

I'm feeling better about Not_Mafia. He's found a wagon he can hitch himself to, and he's being consistent about it.

[Galron]

who's your pick if popo flips scum?

I'd take a look at Emperor flippyNips, Galron

Probably moreso Galron

These are Dunn's last two posts. I wonder if they are who he was thinking of investigating last night.

[Galron]

I'm town binning Not_Mafia rn, so that doesn't do any good.

[Galron]

This is what una just called me out for.

Yea.
And calling out Hoopla for anything right now is a moot point.

Hoopla isn't the offender in that instance. It's notsci.

Did you understand what I was saying here, Una?

[Galron]

You need to be more specific.

When describing you to you? You know what, I'll do your ISO today anyway.
I'll try and keep and eye out for these examples as well.

The ISO would probably be a good idea.

[Galron]

Well if this is not_mafia, I'm okay with a policy there or RFS either one. Unless nm is a lylo grandmaster. I disagree with flipping a strong player just to sort another strong player wrt Bella and Isis.

So between isis and bella. What do you think the relationship is.

tvt
tvs
svs


And if you think its tvs, who do you think is scum and why?

I think it's probably town/town. If you ask me if one of them were scum, which would it more likely be, I would say at this time probably Isis, although at the beginning of the game I would have said Bella. Isis has hopped around a bit too much for my liking without explanation, and there have been a couple of other things I haven't liked. But there have been a few things about Bella I haven't liked also, but I'm not sure what those were off the top of my head. Right now I think she is likely town. I think it turned around for me with her when her outlook toward Klick changed. I'm not sure why that affected my read of her but I think it did.

I keep telling myself I need to reread this game, but I am unmotivated to do so.

If you think bella vs isis is town/town. Then why would you give an opinion on who you think is more likely scum. Feels very disingenuous. As i only asked you who you thought who was more likely to be scum if and only if you thought it was s/t

Because that's the way my mind works. A free-flow of thought combined with trying to anticipate your next question.

[Galron]

I think it's irresponsible not to consider those possibilities when answering a multiple choice question anyway. Would you have been happy with a simple town/town answer?

[Galron]

You can call it disingenuous, but I really think it's anything but.

[Galron]

I'm town binning Not_Mafia rn, so that doesn't do any good.

Seriously?

He's finally doing something, so yes.

[Galron]

He is pushing a wagon with no explanation, which is both his town and scumgame. I can't remember you ever articulating any townreads, that's the slot that rises to your first remark?

I don't have a meta on him. I was town leaning flippy until he flaked, and N_M made a poor entrance, but take a look at what he tried to do with me. I said I'd declare intent on Bella if that 5th vote came, even though I thought she was the wrong lynch for today. (I wanted to control that execution -- it IS the wrong execution today I believe). He immediately switched his vote to Bella to make it 5, so that forced my hand. I declared intent at that point. He then immediately switched back to me. And now he is rallying for votes for me. I think he genuinely believes I'm scum. That seems like a town slot right now.

[Galron]

I'm town binning Not_Mafia rn, so that doesn't do any good.

I'm scum though

Whatever. I'm trying to win us a game here.

[Galron]

The easier thing for him to do would be to keep his vote on Bella or to keep his vote on me to begin with.

[Galron]

Galron, I thought you had a 'gut' town read on flippy? I went back and read the slot earlier and...how ? Why?

I don't think anything nm is doing right now is indicative of anything. I used to be able to read him at his shit posting best, so here's hoping.

Sigh... Again, beginning of the game, EFN town pinged me from meta. Then he flaked, which scummed me, again from meta. NM's entrance was poor, which continued the scum lean. Now I think NM is likely town. A dip a bit like a skate bowl. Get it?

[Galron]

I also like the "votes not reflected since the last votecount" category in addition to the links to the votes themselves. I must say, Fredrick's VCs have been quite good.

[Galron]

Galron managed to respond without telling me who his town reads are..and I can't work it out from his iso (the closest thing is he thinks I'm the wrong vote but also will hammer me).

VOTE: galron

E-1

Yeah I think I addressed that with Not_Mafia last night. There's Una, probably Porkens, maybe bob and maybe you. And since then Not_Mafia and notscience. So I'm not sure how you missed that in the last 10 or so pages, but I can't blame you for not reading closely because I haven't myself.

[Galron]

But with a little pressure on me I've been a bit more attentive. The engagement with Isis was good and helped me work through my thoughts on NM. Frankly, I'm not sure what to make of bob right now. I expected him to continue his interrogation per his usual, but he disappeared.

[Galron]

Oh, I meant to say galron has like 50% more posts than me but I think most people could name like...three people I'm townreading and two I'm scum reading and I just can't do that with his iso.

I scrolled back a bit in my ISO and stopped at 1246 and 1247, where I indicated I had a couple of Town reads and a couple of scum reads and then lamented that I didn't have more TRs. From then to my recent exchange with NM, I made several posts with town reads. Makes me wonder if you really looked at my ISO at all.
.

[Galron]

I feel bad

If I am executed you will feel worse.

[Galron]

UNVOTE: all

Reevaluating rfs

[Galron]

Spoiler:

That's why I scumread you, Bob. Because you say Gera is playing differently to his last (assumedly town) game, and conclude he's scum for it rather than examining his content for this game, which has been good. The timing of it right after he accuses you of being off-meta I also dislike.




I notice you left several 3 line gaps in that post. Impressive.





Two can play at this game.

It's clear what I meant by examining there. You not reading Gera for this game but off a meta read is what I think is faked. It also comes right after Gera suspects you - and for meta reasons no less.




And again, I am not scumreading you because I think you are wrong on a read. I am scumreading you because I think your read is fabricated. I'm unsure if you're intentionally misconstruing my arguments or not.






I like Una for town based on content. The emoji references are mostly in jest. I say mostly because they do actually ping me as "fake" sometimes, but I know it's probably NAI. Perhaps it warrants some meta checking later.

If you haven't already, could you elaborate on the last one, Isis? I would think your given logic would make Klick more likely scum than town.

The wagon on Klick wasn't heavily supported by cases and reasoning. I think scum would be less likely to get involved with a wagon that didn't look good.
The trend that Klick is pointing at similarly indicates that he's getting voted by townies on their B-game rather than townies on their A-Game which makes it less likely to be a winwagon than one full of townies on their A-game. Admittedly that's still going to be a better wagon than one full of scum, but it's hard to explain the frame of reference you're using as you go I guess - all wagons are more likely to be on town than scum and my "big picture take" is a bunch of townies that don't feel confident do a weak job rebutting that presumption.

Interesting, your logic is a lot more complicated than what I had in mind. I thought Klick being called scummy but not wagoned increased his chances of being scum, since scum aren't going to start a wagon on each other (most of the time).

That's why I scumread you, Bob. Because you say Gera is playing differently to his last (assumedly town) game, and conclude he's scum for it rather than examining his content for this game, which has been good. The timing of it right after he accuses you of being off-meta I also dislike.

Read this, my Bob. How is this "having the same read on gerain two days into the game."?





You're ignoring my actual reasons and trying to spin your own ones that you can throw doubt on. I don't like it.

The "not" clearly isn't the important part there, Bob. My reasons for scumreading you have nothing to do with what you're portraying them as - with or without the not. And yes, I left it out by accident, it's funny how you try to spin that as a dastardly attempt to make you look bad, when it's very easy to disprove that.





I was joking when I said I would hammer hoopla if she claimed VT. I also wanted her to overthink her claim if she's scum.

Through Day 1, I think Replacement for Sujimichi is right, Bob either missed the point of RFS's scum read or Bob is intentionally misrepresenting the read. Regardless, I don't think these posts come from scum. That's RFS's most significant engagement Day 1. I included the post about Klick because it seems indicative of a town Isis.

[Galron]

It's a load of maybes again, tho, gal: less shade, why would I bother saying I'd read you if I hadn't. It's also not clear in your interactions with people that those are your reads.

Your most interesting one is scum reading Gera: why?

What's not clear? If you don't understand something, tell me what you don't get. I'm not going to guess. As for geraintm, I don't remember at this point. What's in my ISO? I know he kept saying I was moving votes around and I wasn't. Again, I know there's a post about that. You ready ISO. You read it, right?

[Galron]

And yes, if I'm not sure, it is going to be a probably or a maybe. There's nothing wrong with that. There is not one obv town in this game, and the closest thing to obv scum is not quite obv. So you're going to get a probably or a maybe. Deal with it.

[Galron]

Their posts are just...Meh. lots of "it would be bad to lynch me" some posts through aspersions on others but no real pushes to getbother wagons going.
Lots of "this player is doing things people are scum reading me for"

How scummy.

[Galron]

@galron

I dislike players who tag people as scum, place lots of votes. If a player ends up thinking 80% of the players are scum then that isn't helpful, and I felt it was what you were doing in the first half ofnyesterfay

It reminds me of this, which was also scummy.

[Galron]

Their posts are just...Meh. lots of "it would be bad to lynch me" some posts through aspersions on others but no real pushes to getbother wagons going.
Lots of "this player is doing things people are scum reading me for"

In your math, does two=lots, does one=lots?

[Galron]

@galron

I dislike players who tag people as scum, place lots of votes. If a player ends up thinking 80% of the players are scum then that isn't helpful, and I felt it was what you were doing in the first half ofnyesterfay

I actually agree with RFS on the general point, but with me specifically, I was doing neither of the things you describe. In fact, I've told you a couple of times now that I only placed two votes after rvs, and I certainly didn't scum read a bunch of people the entire day, let alone the first half.

So why the shade?

@galron

I dislike players who tag people as scum, place lots of votes. If a player ends up thinking 80% of the players are scum then that isn't helpful, and I felt it was what you were doing in the first half ofnyesterfay

I actually agree with RFS on the general point, but with me specifically, I was doing neither of the things you describe. In fact, I've told you a couple of times now that I only placed two votes after rvs, and I certainly didn't scum read a bunch of people the entire day, let alone the first half.

So why the shade?

I guess with so many town reading geraintm they just don't see that he's either mistaken here or just outright lying?

I guess I must insert this reminder. And people wonder why I question whether they really read my ISO.

[Galron]

RfS and Bella should both relocate to another wagon within Bella/RfS/Galron, and then we can all have a talk. Agreed?

Hmm... I have a sinking feeling.

[Galron]

@galron

I dislike players who tag people as scum, place lots of votes. If a player ends up thinking 80% of the players are scum then that isn't helpful, and I felt it was what you were doing in the first half ofnyesterfay

It reminds me of this, which was also scummy.

just because I had a read on you which points you as scum, that doesn't make it scummy

It wasn't based in fact. Scummy. And you disregarded my correcting you on it. Scummy. And you choose to continue to disregard the facts. Scummy. And you insert this gem without acknowledging my correction. Scummy. It is, indeed, scummy. And it continues to be, scummy. And you, my good king, are scummy.

Spoiler:

@galron

I dislike players who tag people as scum, place lots of votes. If a player ends up thinking 80% of the players are scum then that isn't helpful, and I felt it was what you were doing in the first half ofnyesterfay

I actually agree with RFS on the general point, but with me specifically, I was doing neither of the things you describe. In fact, I've told you a couple of times now that I only placed two votes after rvs, and I certainly didn't scum read a bunch of people the entire day, let alone the first half.

So why the shade?

@galron

I dislike players who tag people as scum, place lots of votes. If a player ends up thinking 80% of the players are scum then that isn't helpful, and I felt it was what you were doing in the first half ofnyesterfay

I actually agree with RFS on the general point, but with me specifically, I was doing neither of the things you describe. In fact, I've told you a couple of times now that I only placed two votes after rvs, and I certainly didn't scum read a bunch of people the entire day, let alone the first half.

So why the shade?

I guess with so many town reading geraintm they just don't see that he's either mistaken here or just outright lying?

I guess I must insert this reminder. And people wonder why I question whether they really read my ISO.

You would have my vote if we had more time on the clock.

[Galron]

Their posting has been off for some time now

I should return to the alleged "fluff" posting I suppose.

[Galron]

What does miscancel mean?

I believe it means mis-execute.

But the talk of the town is why Mr. BombaH gave you and me asterisks.

[Galron]

RfS and Bella should both relocate to another wagon within Bella/RfS/Galron, and then we can all have a talk. Agreed?

Hmm... I have a sinking feeling.

Sinking in what way - like quicksand or a ship? You think all 3 are town?

Also, why aren't you joining me on Bob?

A sinking feeling about someone else.

[Galron]

A sinking feeling about someone else.

And this was the thing I didn't want to bring up myself until you were at E-1, but since you pointed at it again..
You are talking about me here, right? And even if you aren't - why not make it more obvious to everyone right away?
Because that would be the townier course of action, and considering you WERE one vote away from being lynched, you should always out everything you have in your mind at the time.
OR did you KNOW someone was going to unvote anyway? Or at least not hammer you away quickly?

Was I at E-1? Are my math skills really that off this game? Apparently geraintm and you need to fix me straight.

[Galron]

A sinking feeling about someone else.

And this was the thing I didn't want to bring up myself until you were at E-1, but since you pointed at it again..
You are talking about me here, right? And even if you aren't - why not make it more obvious to everyone right away?
Because that would be the townier course of action, and considering you WERE one vote away from being lynched, you should always out everything you have in your mind at the time.
OR did you KNOW someone was going to unvote anyway? Or at least not hammer you away quickly?

Was I at E-1? Are my math skills really that off this game? Apparently geraintm and you need to fix me straight.

I see you corrected yourself, but you found another theory to fit your narrative.

[Galron]

This gamestate is pretty bad. Bob should not be this hard to push and I have no idea where the townreads are coming from. The best I got from notscience was gut/tone. Does anyone have substantial reasons? Una?

I think Isis said something about meta.

VOTE: bob

[Galron]

Replacement can you explain your town read on garlon. All i can see is that you think he is explaining his thought process

Did you miss the second half of the post? 1803

It comes from cherry picking, apparently. The same thing geraintm has been doing.

[Galron]

Why the bob vote galron

The way it's going, we're going to need a viable wagon in a hurry.

[Galron]

If we're going to do this, we should get on with it. Waiting until the last second is just dumb.

[Galron]

A sinking feeling about someone else.

And this was the thing I didn't want to bring up myself until you were at E-1, but since you pointed at it again..
You are talking about me here, right? And even if you aren't - why not make it more obvious to everyone right away?
Because that would be the townier course of action, and considering you WERE one vote away from being lynched, you should always out everything you have in your mind at the time.
OR did you KNOW someone was going to unvote anyway? Or at least not hammer you away quickly?

Was I at E-1? Are my math skills really that off this game? Apparently geraintm and you need to fix me straight.

I see you corrected yourself, but you found another theory to fit your narrative.

I actually think this reads as paranoid town over-thinking.

[Galron]

UNVOTE: bob

I just don't like this vote.

[Galron]

RfS and Bella should both relocate to another wagon within Bella/RfS/Galron, and then we can all have a talk. Agreed?

Hmm... I have a sinking feeling.

This is where it hit me about Una.

Twas a disappointing game, but Mafia. And no one found my Bella crumb although it wasn't exactly a clear. Follower is only strong if it gets a guilty.

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Fantastic modding! Kudos Fredrick A. Campbell!

How many seconds of happiness is that RFS? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Galron]

I'm going to pay Sujimichi to join several dozen games and replace out of all of them simultaneously

I will contribute to that.

[Galron]

I thought that was about the paper theatre.

[Galron]

I'm going to miss Replacement for Sujimichi.