Mini Normal 2153: Post-game

[Isis]

3rd

[Isis]

Klick you are first
VOTE: Klick[/]

[Isis]

hello people of the town.

i am well rested; full of coffee, left-over dal, and wild ideas.

the scum don't stand a chance.

VOTE: bob - easy target.

VOTE: bob
I will sheep our tireless leader.

[Isis]

don't worry i'm probably going to townread your avatar however you play this game notscience

[Isis]

clown Fredrick A Campbell

[Isis]

evil Galron

[Isis]

All you need is a mask

[Isis]

I'm a bunny now
Bunny Scout 4th class Isis
Galron has deputized me

[Isis]

popsofctown is my alt.

I think Klick is scummy but I wish he wasn't because I like him.

I don't feel like I can explain it well and that bothers me.

I'm not as good at mafia as I used to be.

I will catch up.

[Isis]

I knew you and Bella were a couple but I didn't know you were in a scumteam with her IRL. I would urge you two to try to sympathize with the victims of your crimes and consider retiring.

[Isis]

VOTE: notscience
Not because she's mafia, only to remove references to delicious treats that aren't on my diet from the game thread.

[Isis]

*he

[Isis]

Every time I replace into a game that has decent content, town or scum, I come in and give a catch-up on the game, and I can see how that comes across as 'on offence'. In contrast, there's not much to do that with here yet. I don't have strong opinions on this gamestate.

I think Una is likely town. It was hard to pretend he wasn't obvtown last game and I'm getting the same vibes here.

This doesn't seem like a natural thought process to me. Recognizing towntells as scum is such a distinct experience from recognizing them as town that I wouldn't expect you to feel reminded in this way.

[Isis]

VOTE: Hoopla

[Isis]

hardclown notscience

[Isis]

Hoops what do you think of your loyal knight sir nippyflips? Has he defected to the rabble rousers?

too early to say.

underwhelming signal-to-noise ratio so far; lots of chatter.

scum are probably laughing it up, loving the relaxed atmosphere.

I do like voting a familiar face, but I also felt scumpinged by this post.

The last line seems hyperbolic with so little of our deadline actually wasted thus far.

[Isis]

Galron, are you an alt who has played with me on a main? It seems unusual to describe someone as "crafty" when you've only seen them play town.

[Isis]

Is that good or bad I’m confused

You have been hardclowned, you are clowntacular. Your clown form will last until nine this afternoon, and when the clocktower strikes that hour you will revert to your natural form.

[Isis]

I agree with bob's case on geraintm seeming forced to the point it's scum indicative. The contrast geraintm pagetopped here with is compelling.

It seems like everyone has their own pet townread this game, but notscience's (imo poor) attempt at wagonomics a few pages back seemed town-indicative to me, so that's mine.

I don't want to put bob in claim range so early, although I might not be enthusiastic enough that I would vote anyway.

I think Klick continues to be scummy, so my vote's not in a bad place. Unless it's on Hoopla right now, I don't remember, but she always deserves it.

This post from popo seems a bit maf indicative to me, because it's possible to ascertain geras has to be geraintm if you view a votecount. It's something I'd imagine myself posting as mafia to get my content count up to the minimum rather than figuring it out myself and having less to post.
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Could people in this game please try to use preferred pronouns? I find it more mentally taxing to read posts if they're not used, because my instinct is to assume I misread an earlier part of the sentence and reread everything.

[Isis]

Isis your scumread on me feels incredibly easy.

I know, I don't trust it either

[Isis]

Bella is definitely able to do valuable things later, AND they happen to agree with me on things, so I do not want to go there today either.

Do you think she's probtown or you just don't want to vote her for these strategic reasons?

[Isis]

well geez, I get falsley listed as being on the wagon, popopo gets a flipping medal

[Isis]

Okay, then what do you think about it Hoopla?
Because I think it's rly weird

I think it might mean you're town and so were the people pushing you
That's what I'd say if I was a big picture person
I'm a very tiny details type of player, though, usually

[Isis]

He maybe doesn't get that far Klick-town is sufficient for it all to be counterfactual :S

[Isis]

Klick is being townier than his scumgame, to me, I think.

[Isis]

@mod

prod this sujimichi character

Sujimichi has been prodded. It will count as an official prod in (expired on 2020-07-08 00:15:00). I will start looking for a replacement if he doesn't post in (expired on 2020-07-09 00:15:00)

Mod

are you looking for replacement?

[Isis]

I don't think notscience knows who is on the scumteam

[Isis]

nope too late locking in that you are in a scum PT with Dunn, Bob, and Sujimichi. Four is a lot I assume you're all goons?

[Isis]

I only joined a gasp normal gasp game to play with Sujimichi so I am gonna only post a meme every 47 hours now.

[Isis]

I want to be suicidal lover goons with Sujimichi

[Isis]

There's a notable lack of responding to things from Isis where I expect one

I wonder if it was me, I thought about some kind of post about my cat scratching me for food every forty five minutes but feeling ignored here but I couldn't end up with anything eloquent.

[Isis]

VOTE: Replacement for Sujimichi

[Isis]

Is Klick a cuddledrunk?

[Isis]

As a meta read of Dunn I'd judge him town from what he's posted thus far fwiw, whereas blind to username I would scumbin the account with everyone else.

It's not something where I'm going to filibuster at E1 though.

[Isis]

i suspect it's simply that i have a safe enough presence that allows people to bare all.

Is this the user whose posts I skimmed for two years so I could scroll wheel down and get the avatar with so much blood offscreen quicker?

[Isis]

don't worry i'm probably going to townread your avatar however you play this game notscience

This is relatable

This has caught my attention. I would disagree with the assessment that Peko was anything close to a "best" character in that game. Surely there are at least 8 or 9 characters ahead of her.

I have my eye on both Isis and Klick.

I'd have her roughly 13th but the 13th best videogame character from that game is better than the second best character in some other media.
Besides

Spoiler: spoiler

Don't make the vigilante claim day one

[Isis]

@Gera- I'd appreciate your support on the dunn wagon.

Klick, Hoops are more than welcome too as is Una.

so, I looked over Dunn.

there is a bunch of votes being thrown around,
bob
una
bella

and some itching to join other wagons too, some posts saying people are scum. I think between those and their votes over half the town has been scum at some point.

like....I don't like Dunn at all. but I find it hard to believe scum would be this bad, it is just too obvious.
I think i'd rather keep them alive until day 2, I think I would learn more about their place in the game with them placing more and more votes.
does that make sense?

I would say Dunn is capable of wolfing too-wolf-to-be-wolf. If anything that's probably from characteristics that get him scumread as both alignments compounding on characteristics that are actually expressions of a mafia alignment. But after subtracting the former I don't think he's too bad here.

[Isis]

VOTE: Hoopla

Hoopla is who I'd most like to exile.
The way she describes her mens rea with respect having more doubts based on a previous town roll seems like the way mafia would describe the information rather than how town would, even though it's the same information. It's a little bit hard to explain and an intuition thing but it's come up more than one time. I wouldn't be too prideful to deadsheep her if wrong but she's very much front of the pack for me.

[Isis]

How do cats jump several times their body length in distance?

[Isis]

Dunnstral did you win a scumgame or something

[Isis]

notscience you want Hoopla to claim right

[Isis]

Excuse me I joined April 6, 2020

[Isis]

notscience you are too trusting of others

[Isis]

Whenever anyone in your life says "timeshares" can you run away for me

[Isis]

Please promise

[Isis]

It seems a lot like a wagon scum would jump onto expecting it not to go the distance

[Isis]

she's masterclass, she would have made her own ammo anyway

[Isis]

I was hoping to hear Klick tell me how brilliant I am and I'm a little let down

[Isis]

High Fluff High Content > Medium Fluff Low Content

I don't know why people pretend fluff subtracts from how much content someone has posted, game after game.

Don't be a flareon

[Isis]

it's a rant trigger for me cause I've been mislynched a couple jillion day 1s for wanting to have fun in my mafia games and it's so bad for site meta and doesn't even make sense

[Isis]

I think evince a shy personality in mafia too, but that's not a bad thing.
I'm never shy but it is hard for me to find someone interesting unless they might be scum, so I usually leave parties early.

[Isis]

*I think you

[Isis]

as a quick observation: the rapid acceleration of my wagon (when the possibility of a hoopla-wagon was wafting through the air) should give the town a clue as to my alignment.

I love clues!
A scummier rear end to the wagon means the scumteam doesn't think you're seriously likely to get exiled...
You put up only a token defense here, continuing to "keep secrets" and hold back trump cards, which indicates you don't think you're seriously likely to get exiled...
What circles do you run in, Hoopla?

[Isis]

A scummier rear end to the wagon means the scumteam doesn't think you're seriously likely to get exiled...

As a reminder I'm town and it doesn't matter how "scummy" I am

I've said I townread you, so why did you assume you were the part of the rear end of the wagon I was indicating? I've been liking you but that has a sound like "out, damned spot" to it

[Isis]

These all sounds like delightful knickknacks I will be happy to deadsheep but can't really view as town-indicative in their own right from Hoopla.

[Isis]

High Fluff High Content > Medium Fluff Low Content

I don't know why people pretend fluff subtracts from how much content someone has posted, game after game.

Don't be a flareon

Wait, wtf?
I didn't call fluff bad.
Just them calling fluff from others bad.
At least by implication.

They didn't call fluff from others bad, they called

a lack of nonfluff substance

bad.
It's like the difference between calling the note someone scribbled on the check to the waiter bad vs. calling "the missing tip to go with the note you scribbled on the check to the waiter" bad, they are very distinct

[Isis]

A scummier rear end to the wagon means the scumteam doesn't think you're seriously likely to get exiled...

As a reminder I'm town and it doesn't matter how "scummy" I am

I've said I townread you, so why did you assume you were the part of the rear end of the wagon I was indicating? I've been liking you but that has a sound like "out, damned spot" to it

Because I was the last vote?

I thought you were L-3 or sth actually

[Isis]

I'm caught up.

Hoopla is still acting scummy and I don't want to vote townier people just to be trendy.

I strongly agree with her townread on bob though and found the bob burst town indicative, especially calibrated for bob.

notscience is such a horrible wagon I'm a little nauseated.

notscience doesn't seem to know who the scumteam is.

[Isis]

I resent being townread by Hoopla

[Isis]

I resent double butter brickle also

[Isis]

Unless this is a high calibre joke that's gone over my Kabuto.

There was a time when I thought "there will be a point in my life when I stop learning about the etymology of the original 152 because I know all of it" but that is definitely not true

[Isis]

If you haven't already, could you elaborate on the last one, Isis? I would think your given logic would make Klick more likely scum than town.

The wagon on Klick wasn't heavily supported by cases and reasoning. I think scum would be less likely to get involved with a wagon that didn't look good.
The trend that Klick is pointing at similarly indicates that he's getting voted by townies on their B-game rather than townies on their A-Game which makes it less likely to be a winwagon than one full of townies on their A-game. Admittedly that's still going to be a better wagon than one full of scum, but it's hard to explain the frame of reference you're using as you go I guess - all wagons are more likely to be on town than scum and my "big picture take" is a bunch of townies that don't feel confident do a weak job rebutting that presumption.

[Isis]

It also comes right after Gera suspects you - and for meta reasons no less.

bob is infamous for an omgus bias, unfortunately

[Isis]

Can you explain why you thought those slots were town? Like, I was literally only strongly town reading Una there....

so,

you are asking me to time travel,


embody a previous version of myself,



just so i can relay to you a grainy snapshot of a moment long since passed?

This is such a scummy post good grief

especially since this is an exercise that is 100% more difficult when you roll scum

Please move votes back to the mafiosi.

[Isis]

Dunnstral "bus" Hoopla so I can clear you pls

[Isis]

Galron why weren't you this decisive in Triad?

[Isis]

I was obvtown

[Isis]

I lol'd

[Isis]

Yes

[Isis]

Klick why do you keep making scummy posts

[Isis]

It also comes right after Gera suspects you - and for meta reasons no less.

bob is infamous for an omgus bias, unfortunately

What reasons does he use normally when he OMGUSes? Is it simply a "I scumread you because you scumread me and you're wrong", or does he find other reasons to support that? The OMGUS itself is NAI if you're telling me he does it as either alignment, but the reasons he uses to support it may still be scum-indicative.

It's often pretty stretchy reasons and it does make him hard to read.

[Isis]

She hasn't claimed, you're better than that Dunnstral

[Isis]

UNVOTE:

[Isis]

Klick you're still kind of scummy I hope you mean we're friends outside this game

[Isis]

I think Dunn seemed disgruntled like this in Crown and Assassin

But he seems to be for real mad and not pretend mad which makes it closer to Assassin.
And he was town there.
Wouldn't be excited to be the game on it though

[Isis]

Yes apparently Dunnstral is not better than to lolhammer unclaimeds

[Isis]

I was on my phone so I couldn't investigate thoroughly.

I feel trolled.

VOTE: Hoopla

[Isis]

it has been my real life birthday recently,

we know, it shows the cake on your profile

Hoopla's account, uniquely across site, is rigged to always show it as both her scumday and birthday

[Isis]

I was on my phone so I couldn't investigate thoroughly.

I feel trolled.

VOTE: Hoopla

it was a sincere post.

I was responding to Dunnstral, I didn't preview edit

[Isis]

VOTE: Hoopla

Hoopla is who I'd most like to exile.
The way she describes her mens rea with respect having more doubts based on a previous town roll seems like the way mafia would describe the information rather than how town would, even though it's the same information. It's a little bit hard to explain and an intuition thing but it's come up more than one time. I wouldn't be too prideful to deadsheep her if wrong but she's very much front of the pack for me.

At dunnstral's request

I also think Una is an awful but convenient townread

[Isis]

I pushed hardest omgus scumread me hoopsidaisies

[Isis]

I'm used to seeing Isis play cool and collected as scum, so seeing her flail around as much as I do is a fresh experience

Why doesn't that make you rethink your hypothesis?

[Isis]

UNVOTE:

[Isis]

I'm proud of me, that's probably a scum fakeclaim, but mechanically correct to leave alive here.

[Isis]

If you're town I'm sorry I pushed a fun role to L-1, except maybe not really because new stats show FN is the most replace-out role in newbie queue! isn't that cool?

[Isis]

I'm drinking top shelf stuff rn ama

[Isis]

Dunnstral what's your favorite pokemon

[Isis]

Celebi?

I have not drunk posted in this mafia game aside from the past 10-15 minutes

[Isis]

Hoopla what is your opinion of Dunnstral the snowglobe??

[Isis]

It's weird to deal with Dunnstral calling me scummy all this game because I keep going "am I playing like I did last time I was scum????" and last time I played scum I did this big fancy self imposed post restriction and it was its own things then I get lost reminiscing but I uh definitely dont get anywhere

[Isis]

What do you like about Dunnudun?

[Isis]

"am I playing like I did last time I was scum????"

No, but I always townread you when you're scum

I only remember you being a great skeptic in Assassin. Is there one game where you felt hoodwinked particularly dramatically?
"when you're scum" is a broad qualifier when we rolled opposite alignments for this first 7 games, until Fusion.

[Isis]

So like, you feel strongly I was scum and those games and this one, but I decided a different strategy for this game which is obvscum?

But then you're questioning yourslef based on the raw data of your track record?

[Isis]

me or geraintm?

[Isis]

you posted a meme of me as a sweaty mafia thoooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Isis]

BUlLI

[Isis]

Dunn I have a confession I was hiding when I was sober

I domn't think I'm mature enough to unbiasedly let anyone with that avatar survive lylo if im alive

I kno it's wrong

[Isis]

I wanna be that strong but i'm not that strong

[Isis]

VOTE: popopopopopopopopopopopopopopopopopopopopopopopopopopopopopo

[Isis]

I would be completely fine with executing Hoopla anyway
If her wagon falls apart I'll switch to popopopopopopo but I do think if we give up now we'll just be executing her D3 anyway

Nah.
Hardwagon Day3, regardless of what form the excuse takes, though.

[Isis]

spam

[Isis]

spam

[Isis]

I want to flip popo

[Isis]

Particularly Hoopla

[Isis]

Is it that hard to use pronouns

[Isis]

Is it that hard to use pronouns

What do you mean by this?
And why do you keep repeating it? (honestly don't understand)

Numerous people in the game use the opposite he/she pronoun for someone, or use "they" for someone with a marked preference. The former is more jarring.

[Isis]

notscience I joined this game to play with you I just didn't know that

[Isis]

for the record, "you should grow a thicker skin" is awful

[Isis]

I'm not quite sure what Klick meant, it was very harsh, and seemed entirely based on the parody of flipz's attitude towards the game? and the parody didn't seem that mean, it was somewhat sarcastic but it only dramatized what flipz is kind of openly doing wrt to his commitment or lack thereof to this game.

It makes me wonder about a Klick-flip team being the only way Klick could have so much sympathy for flip that he got that offended

It doesn't seem likely Dunnstral and Klick know they're aligned.

I agree calling someone unpleasant and leaving is yucky, or more specifically calling someone unpleasant and not explaining further is yucky, because it's only justified as a constructive effort to pull someone with hurtful posting in line

[Isis]

I'm just trying to be open about my thought processes, I don't think it's something that should be heavily followed.

Do you think Klick is scum and I'm trying to chain misexile after losing a partner? Later in the game

[Isis]

Even night neighborizer is like in the center of the most attractive fakeclaims why would you say it's a weird claim to make?

[Isis]

I meant friendly neighbor, Galron got in my head.

Even night FN is like in the center of the most attractive fakeclaims.

[Isis]

ugh

[Isis]

I'm not voting Hoopla day 1 bob, you're preaching to a choir

[Isis]

Ive literally never seen the role before so it’s a weird claim to me

Even night is a modifier you can attach to any role. Friendly neighbor is a very common role nowadays, I don't know if that changed while you were playing less often (I think you didn't play much last year right).

It's pretty common to attach a modifier to a roleclaim as scum to make it work better for being difficult to confirm. I had a teammate claim 1-shot PT cop once, for instance.

[Isis]

I agree, Una is like a newspaper

[Isis]

You have a vague IIoA feel

[Isis]

Lol Hoopla did not roll town

[Isis]

I see it as a scum indicative vote no matter what popo flips.

[Isis]

Hm idk about that mod

[Isis]

That’s a weird kill.

I presume that if you were in the scum's shoes, you think you'd give Hoopla the deadly visit?

That's predictable though, setups have doctors, etc.

[Isis]

I wanna get clowned

[Isis]

I think the way Bella said she suspected me yesterday seemed fake but it might be omgus

[Isis]

I wanna keep replacement for sujimichi at least until lylo so I have something to remember sujimichi by

[Isis]

Is porkens the new klick? Idrc about him because I think a parity cop on Dunnstral and Klick says "parity'

[Isis]

TVT

[Isis]

Unabomber is scum with hooplah and he will receive the friendly neighbor visit tomorrow.

This is someone who has read this mafia game

[Isis]

Galron what's scummy about me

[Isis]

Galron the point of secret alting is to not talk up my scumgame mysteriously all over the place based off just one game that I played well

[Isis]

I am like Hoops' biggest detractor do you think I'm bussing her?

[Isis]

Psychologist is a great role and should be used in more setups

[Isis]

I think notscience caring about his read on notscience in a 13p is a little myopic narcissistic, but it is true that when no UTR dies, it's more likely a UTR is scum

[Isis]

Una can you make four consecutive posts without making a scummy one.

[Isis]

I think you're a better lynch after we get confirmation that Hoopla is mafia.

A lot of your posts seem too narrative to me but it might be a toneread. I'm not sure. It's certainly not the case that I'll accuse you of not making any reads or having a read spread that is somehow scum indicative of itself.

[Isis]

my verbiage regresses more when I drink

[Isis]

I wanna be clowned

[Isis]

So every one who voted pops in that awful wagon can you go over why you voted him. And what benifit you thought lynching a lurker would do for town?

1. It seemed like what hoopla didn't want us to do. She's clever though.
2. I didn't like the indignant way he responded to my comment on him earlier, it seems scum indicative
3. Going after lurkers is awesome, in a day phase or two you have nothing left but active players which means better dayplay

[Isis]

I want lemonade now

[Isis]

hardclown notscienc

[Isis]

VOTE: Bella

[Isis]

It's a false dilemma, you could exile someone else during popo's replacement search

[Isis]

Openwolfing

[Isis]

Openwolfing refers to being flagrantly scum and kind of leaning into it, like by blatantly rolefishing players as seen here. It can be correct play for a poor position even though it's often used perjoratively. I've been there.

I have lots of nulls but I don't mind summarizing my reads a little bit

[Isis]

Spoiler:

[Isis]

We'll say porkens is too high to be in the chart, that's what i get for skimming the first few pages to remember who's in this game.

[Isis]

that's my readslist, is it similar to yours?

[Isis]

I'm currently liking Galron for town, way ahead of gera at least.
And I'm yet again baffled by Isis.
They dodged my questions by saying they were intoxicated at the time(?).
They put me and Hoopla still as scum together(??) at the bottom of their list.
They said popopo seemed like a good lynch yesterday because Hoopla seemed to not want that, and now they follow Hoopla onto a Bella vote.

This can't be OK with everyone else, right?

I learn and change over time! It's now clear that Hoopla is capable of tricking me, so it's not as easy as doing the opposite of what Hoopla does.

Bellaphant is scummy just in general, independent of what Hoopla is doing, so I'm going to ignore what Hoopla is doing.

But the way she aimed to townbloc you day 1 ties you together, there's too many patterns in the style of the way it was done for me to think it was a fakeout the way popopo was, so I think you are scummier when/if she flips scum.

[Isis]

No, this is me getting riled up because it makes no sense to pair me with Hoopla like that.

You played better than Hoopla did this game and I'm sorry it makes you salty that she outed you *megashrug*

[Isis]

Some, but not all of Replacement for Sujimichi's posts remind me of Sujimichi and it's driving me insane. I need a straitjacket.

[Isis]

That's a disadvantage for you, I love her to death and would have to be beyond thoroughly convinced she is scum to ever vote her. She's probably my 2nd favorite player on mafiascum.net, unless I'm forgetting someone.

If you could read her posts and add intentional mimicry to your accidental mimicry I'll probably never vote you.

[Isis]

My 1st favourite player is Hectic. My 0th favorite player is Isis.

[Isis]

Nice pagetop

[Isis]

VOTE: bob3141

[Isis]

Sujimichi's not allowed to post in this game

[Isis]

what about doug

[Isis]

I can't remember a single one of your stances dougron

[Isis]

I didn't play in Avalon mafia.

[Isis]

I obvtowned in that game and haven't obvtowned in this one, at least not yet. You should take your chances when they come instead of after

[Isis]

IT WAS THE WRONG REASONS

[Isis]

why are you playing like your 5th game on the same secret alt
what's up wtih that?

[Isis]

I like this avatar.

Use it on your main.
Play on your main.

[Isis]

i'm catching up in between MTGA turns.

If I get to current and no one called me out for voting one of my townreads i will be mad

[Isis]

oh no it's my townreads arguing for pages and pages

[Isis]

actually, this will do for now;

UNVOTE:
VOTE: unabombah

my bella vote looked very pointless.

I think you shouldn't be allowed to vote today. Wtf it this even.
If you manage to flip green this game, I'm not so sure I want to play any more games with you.
But if you flip red, town!Hoopla is still fine in my books.

Is this a scumslip? It reads like a weird perspective scumslip. Una needs to die either way though

[Isis]

i'm caught up and mad
It is perturbing that people are treating my bob vote as serious and doing wagon analysis
nobody is paying attention there must be 8 scums.
VOTE: Una
Hoopla's behavior is almost unparsable at this point but Una has a hated modifier I guess.
I think the bob/notscience 1v1 is pretty plainly TvT and should be used to solve the game.
It certainly shouldn't be used for "guys I'm not sure which mislynch off of this is most likely to go through, could you guys signal which one you're sympathetic to before I commit?"
I don't think this game is really hard anymore and people are treating it like it is and it's weird.

[Isis]

But if you flip red, town!Hoopla is still fine in my books.

It reads like a scumslip because "if you flip scum, I'm ok with you how you played town this game" is nonsensical, but "if we were unaligned this game, I'm ok with how you played town this game" makes more sense.

For the record I think threatening to blacklist people contingent on their alignment tends to use factors outside of a game to win the game and shouldn't be allowed.

[Isis]

Like unfortunately falsely doing so is even more plainly cheating, so truthfully doing so as more minor cheating usually conftowns the player doing it, so una might just be ughtown here I guess. annoying

[Isis]

Una if I'm town who do you want to exile

[Isis]

I feel better

[Isis]

VOTE: Bellaphant

[Isis]

what is the probability Klick had to rep out for getting compromised, that's a thing too

[Isis]

A read of day 1 where I can be scum with Hoopla is pretty disappointing. I don't think it's within my scumrange to "bus" in the manner I did, as valuable as a scum!Hoopla is to a scumteam

[Isis]

I believe they have under-performed

But like the turning point of when you'd assess her play as an underperformance is when I started compellingly pushing her lol

It's circular

before that like maybe 1 person said she was scummy.

There is always at least one person that thinks you're scummy d1 of a 13p

[Isis]

Not_Mafia are you town or mafia?

[Isis]

I should help you win VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Isis]

VOTE: Bella

[Isis]

I played a chess game earlier today. I slowly accumulated an edge over my opponent and then threw it all away in one decisive blunder.

That is unlike anything Hectic, Sujimichi, or I would ever post. I never lose at chess.

[Isis]

It is true that I am very kindhearted

[Isis]

Sure is.
I really hoped someone would've stepped up and provided something to read during the last ~20h.
Because as it feels right now, I really need something new to widen my perspective and solidify my reads.

@notscience - do you still subscribe to your nightkill-theory?
If you do - how does it translate to the current gamestate or activity-level of players?

You might feel stagnant because this game is EZ

Do you disagree with Hoopscum,bobtown, geraintown, or nstown?

Cause that's a game winning amount of takes and leads me to complacent

And I guess I could be wrong on one but I feel content to let that emerge in front if me rather than needing to burn it down since it shouldn't be multiple

[Isis]

I voted Bob briefly to reward Replacement for Sujimichi for imitating me.

Hoopla is mafia.

It seems more likely for someone to have a scum PT open than other compromises, but you're right. It's 0.1% of any justification for voting for Bella

[Isis]

Meh

VOTE: bella

I like the wagon constituents best

I still want to hardclown u

[Isis]

You won’t

No clown shoes

You're acting like you don't crave it and my feelings would be hurt if I believed even a bit of it

[Isis]

I'm trying to drop the topic

[Isis]

E1

[Isis]

Not_Mafia did you realize that you don't immediately win the game if we exile Bella the way you do if it's you?

[Isis]

Replacement for Sujimichi your emoticon usage does not mirror any of your role models, if Bella stops acting scummy I might have to exile you today.

[Isis]

I mean Not_Mafia does engage in a perennial process of joining games and not playing them, and it's about as discourteous to the other players in the game as it would be to repeatedly join dota games and stand in spawn and watch your four teammates try to play down a player or to repeatedly join shooter games and shoot your own teammates. "disgusting" may be excessive, but it is frustrating, I'm disappointed whenever he replaces into a game. It's fundamentally selfish to "play" in a way he's almost certainly cognizant isn't fun for anyone involved in his games but himself.

Flipz slot was probably better than rand to be town and N_M is unlikely to do anything readable so it's kind of a slot that automatically goes to ExLo.

I think RfS is maybe Hopkirk

[Isis]

I don't know Mohab at all but probably a better guess since Hopkirk hasn't been on site much. I miss him

[Isis]

You can just treat L-2 like L-1 for lolhammers, and he fundamentally can't be a good exile choice and a risk of us losing the game due to selfvoting behavior (like is that a perspective slip?) I don't think it's correct play to policy him, I would be gungho if the slot didn't exit at >rand town.

[Isis]

I've only seen flippy flake as town so I kinda been working with different data from others. That does change things

[Isis]

Una who is your top three towns

[Isis]

There hasn't been tons of movement since my last readslist and I'm starting to think I should be townreading you for resonance. It doesn't seem like I'd be the jury you'd be playing to this game and amping up my appreciation for Hoopla's ability to manage her day 1 associatives seems like it's probably Occam's Razor.

I doubt you're feigning ignorance of my reads after matching them so closely.

Probably not the kind of turning point that you're gonna be happy with.

Why do you feel notscience and Isis are the most important slots for you to sort? Previously I thought it was because they were at a similar standing but I guess it's some other quality.

[Isis]

I strongly identify with Peko's desire for shining justice and implied I'd have a distorted relationship with the slot on like page 3. This game's not as complicated as you make it. Also he's a clown.

[Isis]

Spoiler:

We'll say porkens is too high to be in the chart, that's what i get for skimming the first few pages to remember who's in this game.

This is my readslist, there is a 3way tie for third but Bob would be a frontrunner now just from me getting more and more creeped out by the manner in which he's getting shaded by people.

[Isis]

Flippy has been replaced by a cow now obviously there is that

[Isis]

Spoiler:

[Isis]

So Bella is the penguin, and the flippy-slot was the Koffing?

Yes that's what I posted

[Isis]

Yeah that's still sounding like what I think town!bob does

when I can read town!bob's posts

[Isis]

In a broad sense your complaints seem similar to how I would complain about this kind of goalpostshifty arguing style

amrun when did you redact your beleif it was bad idea.

Bob:

Massclaiming leaves us with dr vs mafia roleblocker, and phone operator.

What?

There isn't even a mafia roleblocker in this setup.

Massclaiming leaves the doctor outed and provides no further benefit.

Although I do think that, between them knowing their neighbors aren't doctor and the rolecop and people accidentally (or intentionally) giving away information, they'll know who the doctor is by D3 at the latest. So maybe we should mass neighbor claim on like D2.

Hahhahahahaha I meant rolecop but I missed that the mafia rolecop is a neighbor too, so disregard entirely. I never read this set up ahead of time because I didn’t expect to be in team mafia at all.


Titus is still town though.

That isnt a clear redaction. It 3 words placed in middle of sentance. When quoting another persons post.


You were best of quoting your original offending posts with disregard entirely.

Otherwise no one but smart would notice

And I think somewhat similar play happened later in the game if you want to click one of the hyperlinks to get over to it.

That said, I might be empty handed for trying to read him if I have to write of the way he interacts a lot this way, but I think enough people with enough aggregate town equity are townreading him that I think he's a good clear, that makes me feel less on a tightrope about him.

[Isis]

Also I feel massively under engaged with by Isis and Bob - these two people are not trying to sort me.

This might be astute at its best, if I came to townread you I'd be really short on scumreads because I'm townreading so many people so I'm kind of not eager to give you opportunities to townspew.

Maybe thats gamethrow but your per-24-hr participation is lowish so that also makes me skew towards "just flip it"?