Mini Normal 2153: Post-game

[geraintm]

Hello all.
Hoping this goes different to my last game.
We just had the 6th vote count did we?

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Peko was best girl in two.

Nagito was best overall character and Angie in game three was best.

Best in the first was prob junko or Kyoko

I liked Peko, but I found myself liking Fuyuhiko a bit more out of the pair. Gundham is cool too.
Angie is terrifying but I'd agree that she was probably one of the best-written characters in 3 (out of a ton of great ones there).
I'd go Byakuya for the first game? Not that he's particularly likeable but he's rather interesting.

This was the 6th post after mine so VOTE: klick

And thats all I have to say about that....

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And that's the 2nd post after that one.
What's your point?

I just watched Forrest Gump at the weekend, and thought that was enough of an explanation of my random vote

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And that's the 2nd post after that one.

Good point, want to vote him?

yay, please start the day 1 geraintm wagon as soon as possible

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In post 8, Klick wrote:Would this make me 4th or 5th?this was a very bad entrance. Looks super planned out, not 'off the cuff' at all. Plus an innocuous seeming RVS question like this, its a pointless post, but scum wanna look inquisitive right from the start of the game. This shit just pinged me all the wrong way.

I am of the opinion that calling this a bad entrance is clutching for a bag full of straws.

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Spoiler: top 10 live shows

1) Robert Delong
2) Ajr
3) Adelitas Way
4) Three Doors Down
5) Panic
6) The Offspring
7) Charm City Devils
8) Fall Out Boy (in their tour with paramore not with wiz khalifa- they were much better with paramore idk why)
9) New Politics
10) Quinn XCII
(11 is paramore)

I think I've seen one of these. And didn't like them much

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so, I thought id try and work out why galron has had some many votes.

and, that aint a good iso I can understand people placing votes there. they aren't scummy, just...not much use

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thoughts on others - bob seems less active in this game than I am used to

is there someone in this game called Sujimichi????

dunnstarl hasn't done anything except their post 66

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Tbf hoops, almost half of the game aren't pruducing content.i just looked at some of Gera's other games wondering if he was just lhf, but apparently not.

what is lhf?
I would confess to being fairly useless day 1, but I tried that last time and it got me lynched...

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Sorry Gera, I meant galron, and lhf = low hanging fruit. See above. I' skin read another game of theirs earlier and they actually engaged and posted content. Your content is fine! Although I don't have a massive read on you yet

ah, this makes a little more sense.

VOTE: bob

Let’s investigate him

they do seem a little different to what I would expect, to be sure

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What do you expect from bob?

I've been in a game where he was active enough day 1 as town to step in and try and stop a wagon that was about to lynch smeone they thought shouldn't be, and was high profile enough that they then got themselves lynched.

this game....not like that at all. very passive

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What do you expect from bob?

I've been in a game where he was active enough day 1 as town to step in and try and stop a wagon that was about to lynch smeone they thought shouldn't be, and was high profile enough that they then got themselves lynched.

this game....not like that at all. very passive

Get this man some sheep for his wagon, asap

That actually seems pretty sound lol.
He feels a lot more quiet/jokey than he did last game too, and in the game he was in that I modded.

VOTE: bob3141

I was asked my opinion on bob, I gave it. no one should be following my thoughts with a vote. I didn't vote

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Because bob might actually be scum for real reasons

I don't get this. I haven't seen anything scum-worthy from bob. In fact, his posts have been spectacularly meh.

yeah, he was very meh when I posted, which was just not what I would have expected from my memory of him from a previous game

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What do you expect from bob?

I've been in a game where he was active enough day 1 as town to step in and try and stop a wagon that was about to lynch smeone they thought shouldn't be, and was high profile enough that they then got themselves lynched.

this game....not like that at all. very passive

Taking stances so early so not you gerain. Giving reads with excessive pressure being placed on you. Certainly not town you.


And your example is blatant misrep. IN your example what happened is that I started pushing you as you would take no stances. I started the wagon although tried breaking up when alert started to look like obvious scum.


And the game is only 2 days old. So you really are cherry picking meta. Since you want to use meta. Look at all my games and tell us if your theory still stands.

I was asked an opinion, I gave it. it wasn't meant to be a strong read on you, I didn't vote or anything.
and was it you who started the wagon on me? I didn't remember that bit,sorry. but even so, you just said in that one you started a wagon and were more active, this game you hadn't done anything like that. so my view on you being much more passive I think was fair

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And gerain why are you shading me without even voting for me.

Your posts have been all sahde so what is your read on me?

Town or scum.

day 1 I am nothing but shade. you know it will take a lot on day 1 for me to actually vote someone.

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Yea, whenever I'm "behind" on the game for more than a few posts, I refuse to read what's at the end and instead start "catching up" from my own latest post and comment on whatever catches my attention.

do this too

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And bob stepping up to the plate with meta on gera. Interesting.

VOTE: geraintm

I see bobs points but idk I like gera here

aww, I like me too!

[geraintm]

And bob stepping up to the plate with meta on gera. Interesting.

VOTE: geraintm

I see bobs points but idk I like gera here

aww, I like me too!

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And bob stepping up to the plate with meta on gera. Interesting.

VOTE: geraintm

I see bobs points but idk I like gera here

aww, I like me too!

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And bob stepping up to the plate with meta on gera. Interesting.

VOTE: geraintm

I see bobs points but idk I like gera here

aww, I like me too!

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What do you expect from bob?

I've been in a game where he was active enough day 1 as town to step in and try and stop a wagon that was about to lynch smeone they thought shouldn't be, and was high profile enough that they then got themselves lynched.

this game....not like that at all. very passive

less than 48 hours after game start you made this post lol

vote:geraint

your point being?

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And mind you, everyone, I'm not a HUGE fan of "townblocs" in general,

cannot cosign this hard enough. people's success rate of spotting scum/town on day 1 is close to zero. having the confidence to start putting 2,3 or 4 people into a grouping together, just a distraction. and likely get you into trouble later on. just stop

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idk i think bob is mislynch bait, im not feeling it

sometimes mislynch bait is exactly what you need to catch a big fish, so to speak.

...

but most of the time it is just a red herring.

this direction is better:

VOTE: geraintm

awesome. I did hope my day 1 wagon would start sooner rather than later....

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The fact that you don't think it's worth a vote doesn't mean I don't think it's worth a vote.

I will mark you down for following weak thinking, and I will vote for people who repeatedly use others as an excuse to place their own vote.

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So what you're saying is that a scum you would hide behind his town meta and not vote. As that's all your saying here.

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whose meta?

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As i've never seen you throw shade day one as town. And you're admitting here that you were deliberately throwing shade at me.


And your giving opinions far too easily too. I remember in the first two games I played with you getting reads or even a solid opinion out of you was like getting blood at stone.

Not that it's inherently bad but a town you is super cautious. And i'm not seeing anything in regards to that in your posting so far

VOTE: gerain

? I do nothing but sit here on day 1s saying "that is a crap post" at people, or "that is a bad wagon". that is shading isn't it?

you say I am giving loads of opinions this game?

In post 8, Klick wrote:Would this make me 4th or 5th?this was a very bad entrance. Looks super planned out, not 'off the cuff' at all. Plus an innocuous seeming RVS question like this, its a pointless post, but scum wanna look inquisitive right from the start of the game. This shit just pinged me all the wrong way.

I am of the opinion that calling this a bad entrance is clutching for a bag full of straws.

so, I thought id try and work out why galron has had some many votes.

and, that aint a good iso I can understand people placing votes there. they aren't scummy, just...not much use

thoughts on others - bob seems less active in this game than I am used to

is there someone in this game called Sujimichi????

dunnstarl hasn't done anything except their post 66

VOTE: bob

Let’s investigate him

they do seem a little different to what I would expect, to be sure

What do you expect from bob?

I've been in a game where he was active enough day 1 as town to step in and try and stop a wagon that was about to lynch smeone they thought shouldn't be, and was high profile enough that they then got themselves lynched.

this game....not like that at all. very passive

The fact that you don't think it's worth a vote doesn't mean I don't think it's worth a vote.

I will mark you down for following weak thinking, and I will vote for people who repeatedly use others as an excuse to place their own vote.

I think those are all my opinions, that I am giving out too easily? do you want me to post...less than that? because to me the above is pretty null, just me occasionally going "Huh?" at people

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What do you expect from bob?

I've been in a game where he was active enough day 1 as town to step in and try and stop a wagon that was about to lynch smeone they thought shouldn't be, and was high profile enough that they then got themselves lynched.

this game....not like that at all. very passive

less than 48 hours after game start you made this post lol

vote:geraint

your point being?

its a too early to make a meta read based on passivity, disingenuous

fair point.
I consider the whole of day 1 too early....

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This is awkward hoopla. The post you think gives him town cred.for, I thought was bobbins....

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This is awkward hoopla. The post you think gives him town cred.for, I thought was bobbins....

why was it bobbins?

well, first explain to me what bobbins is, because i like this word and want to steal it for future use.

then explain why it was bobbins.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bobbins

Just a British phrase meaning something is pants
I think a bobbin is something to do with sewing, but It is just a way of saying something isn't much good.

I said in my post 87 that I thought popopo was clutching at straws with their post. I thought they were, for a post in the 1st 100, reading way too much into nothing. I hate people making grand statements about the game Day 1, because you just don't have the info. so that was why I thought it was a bad post. and then youcame along and said it was a good post!

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more likely, it was scum-pushed.

was I one of the people pushing the wagon on Bob?

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@hoops his level of engagement with the game. As bob said he is taking stances way earlier than normal and I take it as a town trying to be better d1.

is this about me?

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@Gera- I'd appreciate your support on the dunn wagon.

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i'll try at some point to look over Dunn's posts and see what I think.
i'l be shocked if they have done anything where I want to vote for them though.

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Replacement for Sujimichi replaces Sujimichi

this may be the greatest post I have ever seen in a game of mafia

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It alarms me that the mod has made 21 votecounts. Could this be indicating there are some special mechanics in play relevant to voting mechancis? Maybe a double or triple voter, or someone needing twice as many votes to be lynched.

urgh, what a terrible post

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What I want most of all is a dunn wagon right now- would you be interested in partaking or sharing thoughts on his recent assertion about peoples reads changing based on his?

here is where we have commonground.

geraintm's wagon is at feverpitch. i can sense it. i can

feel

it. i don't want to abandon my post yet - especially given he has been quite responsive to pressure.

consider myself spiritually on the dunn wagon. i give it my stamp of approval.

have I been responsive? I feel I have been sitting here doing not much the whole game, and that hasn't changed

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Not feeling geraintm like I was after skimming today's action. UNVOTE: all

Will catch up tomorrow.

hmmm, it felt like an opportunistic vote on me in the first place. and you are slidng off now too. let me say I find that less townie than the average person here

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I often get underestimated by scum, so I'm very rarely nightkilled, and often pushed for as a lynch either early early, or in LyLo.

I often get correctly estimated by scum, so I am very rarely nightkilled

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@hoops his level of engagement with the game. As bob said he is taking stances way earlier than normal and I take it as a town trying to be better d1.

is this about me?

Yes

I am not consciously trying to be better. I haven't been so aggressive in "Day 1 sucks" in this game as I was before, but I still think it does and have been quoting posts when I think people have been overreaching same as before.

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@Gera- I'd appreciate your support on the dunn wagon.

Klick, Hoops are more than welcome too as is Una.

so, I looked over Dunn.

there is a bunch of votes being thrown around,
bob
una
bella

and some itching to join other wagons too, some posts saying people are scum. I think between those and their votes over half the town has been scum at some point.

like....I don't like Dunn at all. but I find it hard to believe scum would be this bad, it is just too obvious.
I think i'd rather keep them alive until day 2, I think I would learn more about their place in the game with them placing more and more votes.
does that make sense?

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Not feeling geraintm like I was after skimming today's action. UNVOTE: all

Will catch up tomorrow.

hmmm, it felt like an opportunistic vote on me in the first place. and you are slidng off now too. let me say I find that less townie than the average person here

I haven't decided if this is scummy or if you're just taunting me.

well, it isn't scummy....

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I hate people making grand statements about the game Day 1, because you just don't have the info. so that was why I thought it was a bad post. and then youcame along and said it was a good post

I hardly think it was a grand statement just a read and a little case based on early posts that felt off

I said you were clutching at straws. I stand by that. I don't think I said your post was a grandstatement, but fits in with people making overconfident statements about other people way, way too early in the game.

my conversation with hoopla was me saying it was awkward that they read the same post as I had of yours and they thought it was good.

not sure who I have misrepresented though. you? I said you overreached with your post, and I stand by that view.

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And then geraintm calls my voting for him opportunistic, when it really wasn't -- it was a reaction to bob's meta read on him, and then he calls me unvoting him scummy, which it isn't -- I simply didn't find much reason to keep a vote on him. I was the first to vote for him (well, other than una's rvs vote) and the first to hop off his wagon, yet both ways he finds me scummy?

yep, find both scummy because using other people's reasoning to easily place a vote I find bad.
and then hopping off quickly to go elsewhere is bad too. I dislike players who move their vote around a lot and tag along following wagons and other people's reads

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Gera, una (but I’m a little annoyed I’m going to have to argue against his scumread me all game again), klick, you (?), flippy

I don’t have a hankering to lynch isis or Galron but I wouldn’t argue against it either

I like that you town read me

I like that when I am eventually scum in a different game, you will still be townreading me

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VOTE: replacement

Jump in. The water's not exactly warm, but you get used to it.

yeah...I am going to have to ignore your votes for the rest of the day. you are here, there and everywhere.

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I dislike players who move their vote around a lot and tag along following wagons and other people's reads

I feel like you dislike a lot of things that are just inherent to my playstyle. Recognize that this one is a bias that is not particularly likely to find scum.

What do you think of Hoops, gera?

I dislike pretty much everyones day 1 play. if I thought people were good at day 1s, then they wouldn't always end up with townie getting lynched.

hoopla - they made a townbloc in post 260. I don't like that. tink this follows 2 different votes before this

posts like 261 and 288 are them being involved in the game by asking other people their opinions.

post 371 - making a group of 5 people all town.

"so far, this wagon looks solid to me, and i haven't seen anything behaviourally to give off town vibes from geraintm; though i will look into him more the longer he remains a candidate."

^^^ they just seem happy to be the player happy to lynch almost anyone day one, they were happy to lynch me and assume everyone else voting me was town too. but how on earth they can a) know I am scum b) know everyone else is town? their reads are just so weak day 1 they are worthless

they had a little bit of an interaction with me over bobbins, but they just let it hang... it is almost like they want to be seen having interaction with everyone but nothing more than superficial

What I want most of all is a dunn wagon right now- would you be interested in partaking or sharing thoughts on his recent assertion about peoples reads changing based on his?

here is where we have commonground.

geraintm's wagon is at feverpitch. i can sense it. i can

feel

it. i don't want to abandon my post yet - especially given he has been quite responsive to pressure.

consider myself spiritually on the dunn wagon. i give it my stamp of approval.

this pings me bad. they feel like scum wanting to get off a wagon they know has a) stalled b) is only going to end up lynching a bad town player. they can keep me alive for later in the game safe in the knowledge I am not athreat to them

then a switch to Dunn to try and get something going there.

post 515 - excuses for behaving differently to what people expect

I have gone through, it feels like half the posts are them asking others for their thoughts, a quarter are hopping off and on wagons and a quarter just fluff.
they are the sort of player I find it hard to get along with at this stage of the game. def closer to being scum in my eyes than town

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agree that the wagon that has quickly formed on hoopla is likely to have a high% of townies, it screams of a classic "Day 1 townies looking to lynch someone and scum just letting it happen". I suspect y post has helped with the wagon. noway should it be ended now though without the people una has pointed out chiming in

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Gera disappearing is weird but idk if scum indicative

I feel like if anyone is stoking paranoia it’s hoops.

Its weekend, I look kver the thread but generally wait until Monday to catch up

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quickly poking my head in.

I hate the expectation of claims like this. It doesn't help town ever having a claim this late.

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Bob is my top scumread at the time of writing. I see I will be joining great company such as the likes of emperors on this wagon.

VOTE: Bob

You hve yet to come up with a reason as to explain your scum read on me.

that is unfair, their reasoning may be short (and you disagree with it) but to say there is no reason is wrong

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People keep saying there have been all town wagons this game when there really haven’t lol

this ^^

VOTE: replacement

Jump in. The water's not exactly warm, but you get used to it.

yeah...I am going to have to ignore your votes for the rest of the day. you are here, there and everywhere.

This is just untrue. Your crown must be made of lead. Replacement for Sujimichi was just the second real vote of the day for me -- either you're not paying attention or you're blowing bubbles. And I don't think you're one not to pay attention.

not just votes. you are spewing reads on everyone (or were when I wrote the post).

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@galron, your poat about the wagon feels like info, not analysis - who's jump on that wagon feels scummy/badly positioned?

it also missed my post on hoopla which felt like a thing at the time, at least to me

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this was an influential reason in why i powered and sat on the geraintm wagon as much as i did. he was a classic candidate of scum finding a vote acceptable enough to be unchallenged, then sitting on it without much reevaluation. it takes effort to be constantly reevaluating the gamestate as scum and to find convincing reasons for your opinions to change. this is why we see scum sit on hivemind-approved votes longer than town, as switching votes incurs the risk of receiving additional attention/critique of your play.

players like klick and notscience seem vote-hoppy-happy anyhow, so i don't extend the tell to capable, aware players like them, but i suspect this tell is meaningful for a player like geraintm and why i still suspect him.

Geraintm explicitly stated rather early on that he didn't like it when people hopped around with their votes. I get this as a tell that works generally, but when applied specifically to geraintm it doesn't hold much water.

PEdit: I'd be pretty fine with that lmao

I am not sitting on a hivemind approved vote though, im sitting on my random vote. does that change your thinking hoopla??

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this was an influential reason in why i powered and sat on the geraintm wagon as much as i did. he was a classic candidate of scum finding a vote acceptable enough to be unchallenged, then sitting on it without much reevaluation. it takes effort to be constantly reevaluating the gamestate as scum and to find convincing reasons for your opinions to change. this is why we see scum sit on hivemind-approved votes longer than town, as switching votes incurs the risk of receiving additional attention/critique of your play.

players like klick and notscience seem vote-hoppy-happy anyhow, so i don't extend the tell to capable, aware players like them, but i suspect this tell is meaningful for a player like geraintm and why i still suspect him.

Geraintm explicitly stated rather early on that he didn't like it when people hopped around with their votes. I get this as a tell that works generally, but when applied specifically to geraintm it doesn't hold much water.

PEdit: I'd be pretty fine with that lmao

and the vote hopping, it is when people quickly jum about, using others people's logic to justify their moves, that is what I find bad. just looks like they are trying to get onto any half decent wagon and then later on can blame others if it goes wrong.
if someone is coming up with good reasons for their votes, I mind that much less

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bob3141

notscience

geraintm

UnaBombaH
Replacement for Sujimichi

Klick

Bellaphant

Emperor flippyNips
Galron

Hoopla

popopopopopopo

Isis

Dunnstral

Green = friends
Black = neutral
Red = randomly passive-agressive

it is rarely random.
but these posts I think are helpful moving forward, will be useful day 2

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because I like having posts like that were people have explicitly said what they think. then, later in the game I can see if they are being consistent with themselves or not, and if not they should have a good reason. it isn't a good look thing for town people to switch their read on someone without a good reason.

im not very good at this game, and most of my reads on people are based on their votes and how they come to them.

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I would be completely fine with executing Hoopla anyway
If her wagon falls apart I'll switch to popopopopopopo but I do think if we give up now we'll just be executing her D3 anyway

if people ever wonder why I hate claims, then this is an example.

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Hoopla

I scum read you.

You have not been able to come with any real reason to scum read me. All you have done is say you scum read me for not having the same read on gerain two days into the game. Even I can only assume trying to use posts that were made after my vote happened.

You barely take any in depth stances on any players. Yet were happy to hammer hoopla. When you hadn't even mentioned him. Your only two mentions of him were when you said you liked something from him and when he said he believed the gerain wagon was all town.

You are evasive on you una read. Every time giving no reason. You say you town read una for town content but you never say what town content or what your read on his motives are.


You selectively answer questions and at the same time barely answer the ones you do.




Now on gerain I'm not too sure. He could be scum that feel more confident as I have read his scum games and he is less indecisive and more open to make stances than in his town meta. In his town games he is so indecisive scum would never want to nk, or day kill him. He is some you want to take to lylo.

But the thought i'm having is gerain actually coming out of his shell.

I think my only scum game since I have come back was in a Newbie game, and I was doing what I normally do there in newbie games which is to tell town that lurkers are bad and I may have been more active, but think that is just what is expected of someone who isn't a newbie should do. I don't think I've been scum in any Normal games since I have come back?

and if this is out of my shell then I dunno what i'd be like if I were hibernating.

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had a look over popopo's posts, trying to see why they are the leading candidate.

lack of posts I guess is one reason to string them up. only one post is longer than two lines. they have effectively been absent from the game since post 500, half the game.

I like their post 352, but nothing else.
they had a few opinions on people early doors, but not enough to be helpful day 2.

I wouldn't say they are scum, just not very helpful to the town right now.

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I like their post 352, but nothing else.

So then there's no reason for you to be soft defending him

didn't tink I was. for me, that was a pretty strong agreement in the wagon.

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Dunnstral was found dead by the Moderator. He was a

Town Psychologist

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Day 2 ends in (expired on 2020-07-31 03:00:00).

ok, catching up now.
1st, I am 99% sure I've never been in a game with this role before. So that's nice

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Ger town

well, I approve of this excellent post

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dunnstral - don't think they ever got above 2 votes at any point, just from hoopla and not science

I looked over their posts in my 495 and said I thought they were throwing around lots of votes but they are unlikely to be scum, too obvious to be scum.

my last interaction with them was 1000, where they thougt I was defending popopopo but I wasn't.

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looking over Bella's post

most of the game I am pretty null on their posts

VOTE: popo

Can we have some consolidation? The fact we have four separate, not leading wagons on 2 votes cries 'vote parking'.

I'm coming around on dun, annoyingly.

^^ this caught my eye though.
pushing the wagon onto popopo and also a mention of Dunn.
and then just nothing for the rest of the data except a "why not popopo" post, they just seemed to get themselves onto popopo and no come off.

I'd eat my hat if the scum team was nitty/Una/klick

VOTE: hoops

Tbf I'd still do dun. Or popo.

I would be completely fine with executing Hoopla anyway
If her wagon falls apart I'll switch to popopopopopopo but I do think if we give up now we'll just be executing her D3 anyway

This basically mirrors my thoughts..I'm concerned about the level of... construction in hoops' posts (how hard is it to say you were stoned and made a few weird posts?) But like...*shrug*

like, there was nothing to it, I can't see a good reason for them to end up on popopo and just let the lynch happen.

their progression of votes was galron > hooplas > popopo

and none looked good to me now when I look back.
so yeah, just have them in non-town pile

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looking over galron
there just wasn't much interaction with popopo.
they got a vote onto hoopla and stuck it there for the second half of the day.

post 694 defended popopo's lurkiness

I didn't like Galron much yesterday (See post 488 and 172). 537 def said to them I didn't like thei rposts. after this they then didn't move their vote I think.

overall - would place them middle of the road at best, their DAy 1 I didn't like though that much.

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dunnstral - don't think they ever got above 2 votes at any point, just from hoopla and not science

I looked over their posts in my 495 and said I thought they were throwing around lots of votes but they are unlikely to be scum, too obvious to be scum.

my last interaction with them was 1000, where they thougt I was defending popopopo but I wasn't.

This seems... defensive.

I guess it does, I was just interested myself in my intereactions with them, as I could remember their creepy icon all the way through the game but noting of what they said

[geraintm]

trying to work out why galron didn't react to my post on them though

[geraintm]

Wanted to look over isis

their switch to lynching popopo wasn't...good

VOTE: popopopopopopopopopopopopopopopopopopopopopopopopopopopopopo

that was their vote. no explanation

I want to flip popo

this later, like giving themselves an out when popopo comes up not scum

I see it as a scum indicative vote no matter what popo flips.[/quote


there is nothing to their posts, just fluff all the way through. Day 2, they haven't done anything that I can get a read on at all, I cannot understand their thinking at all or what they hope to accomplish today.

they were part of the push on hoopla too, voting for them in 820 and I cannot work out why

I was on my phone so I couldn't investigate thoroughly.

I feel trolled.

VOTE: Hoopla

this was an earlier vote for hoopla

VOTE: Hoopla

Hoopla is who I'd most like to exile.
The way she describes her mens rea with respect having more doubts based on a previous town roll seems like the way mafia would describe the information rather than how town would, even though it's the same information. It's a little bit hard to explain and an intuition thing but it's come up more than one time. I wouldn't be too prideful to deadsheep her if wrong but she's very much front of the pack for me.

and this is again just wishy washy. but everything from isis, over 135 posts is the same. not substance at all

VOTE: Replacement for Sujimichi

another earlier vote in the game. again I cannot undertand why,,,,

VOTE: Hoopla

urgh...just I hate this slot.

[geraintm]

geraintm messed up the bbcode in his last post. His clumsiness and disregard for law and order is indicative of someone with a green role.

yeah, just gone back and seen I have. I hope people can work out my bits in aong the bits I quoted from others
sorry

[geraintm]

@galron

I dislike players who tag people as scum, place lots of votes. If a player ends up thinking 80% of the players are scum then that isn't helpful, and I felt it was what you were doing in the first half ofnyesterfay

[geraintm]

we have too many players sitting back and not voting; not taking stances.

this concerns me.

Geraintm doesn't do weekends. Bellaphant is vla. Not defenses, just pointing out I'm not surprised.

Floppy and Bob, yeah. It would be swell if they were into the game.

Yes, weekends are very patchy for me.

Right now Bella is where I am going to go back to on Monday, along with reads of the rest of you. Bob...hasn't felt super scummy so far but might change on a proper read

[geraintm]

we have too many players sitting back and not voting; not taking stances.

this concerns me.

Geraintm doesn't do weekends. Bellaphant is vla. Not defenses, just pointing out I'm not surprised.

Floppy and Bob, yeah. It would be swell if they were into the game.

Yes, weekends are very patchy for me.

Right now Bella is where I am going to go back to on Monday, along with reads of the rest of you. Bob...hasn't felt super scummy so far but might change on a proper read

[geraintm]

I always feel a bit triggered when a player says “you are so bad if you s I read me you are either scum or garbage”

I peg players sometimes as bad town. It helps me

[geraintm]

I haven't had chance to get to the game today.

I do feel like everyone else is playing a different game to me sometimes

[geraintm]

trying to look over porkens now

there was a lot of catchups on people
This was the end of it

Mmm Bella comes out to small t.


Super scientific goodreads say:

(Gron/isis),<hooplah>+una, flappynips

but they had said earlier I was town but then didn't include me here.

VOTE: unabomber that rings contrived to me

first vote. picking on Una for a contrived vote, but there isn't anything to their own.

later reads the all the Bob stuff as town vs town

think they end up as Bella as most likely scum??

I find them hard to read their posts, very bitty and just random non sequitur stuff. do not have them in the town pile

[geraintm]

trying to go through isis now, their day 2 posts. too much for me to look through day 1
they were agains the hoopla lynch, so they get points for that.

there are a ton of posts that don't really add much, eventually come around to saying they find bella bad. with a cote

later on their voted for bob

VOTE: bob3141

and I don't know why. bob hadn't posted since isis' last post, and certainly not since isis had said "Bellaphant is scummy just in general" in post 1202
I don't get the switch to bob

oh wait

i'm caught up and mad
It is perturbing that people are treating my bob vote as serious and doing wagon analysis
nobody is paying attention there must be 8 scums.
VOTE: Una
Hoopla's behavior is almost unparsable at this point but Una has a hated modifier I guess.
I think the bob/notscience 1v1 is pretty plainly TvT and should be used to solve the game.
It certainly shouldn't be used for "guys I'm not sure which mislynch off of this is most likely to go through, could you guys signal which one you're sympathetic to before I commit?"
I don't think this game is really hard anymore and people are treating it like it is and it's weird.

the bob vote didn't count...but we wer emeant to know that?
but their switch to una seems sorta believable. I want to give them the benefit of the doubt over that one I think

but then later back to bella

overall, they are doing a decent job of not appearing too scummy or too townie. I think there are better places to be voting than here today.

some meetings now, not sure I will have chance to look over anyone else today.
so far, VOTE: bella is the best i've got

[geraintm]

trying to go through isis now,
they were agains the hoopla lynch, so they get points for that.

bugger, how did I get that wrong??? they were for the hoopla lynch, so they lose points. Sorry Replacement. and I meant to be talking about popo, like, I have no idea what I was saying. I was rushing before a meeting started is my only excuse.

yeah, this slot seems a lot worse now.

[geraintm]

VOTE: Bella

yeah, I dislike not mafia a lot. I cannot understand them at all. are they any use?

[geraintm]

Porkens is right. There was some bad naked voting on popopo yesterday. Today the wagon on Bella looks similar. Notsci likes the people on the wagon, Not_Mafia and geraintm don't give reasons. Isis voted the second time without a reason -- I don't remember if she gave one the first time. I guess people will call it a defense of Bella if she flips red, but I get close to the same feeling from this wagon as I do from popopo's yesterday.

That is unfair to say I voted bella with no reason

looking over Bella's post

most of the game I am pretty null on their posts

VOTE: popo

Can we have some consolidation? The fact we have four separate, not leading wagons on 2 votes cries 'vote parking'.

I'm coming around on dun, annoyingly.

^^ this caught my eye though.
pushing the wagon onto popopo and also a mention of Dunn.
and then just nothing for the rest of the data except a "why not popopo" post, they just seemed to get themselves onto popopo and no come off.

I'd eat my hat if the scum team was nitty/Una/klick

VOTE: hoops

Tbf I'd still do dun. Or popo.

I would be completely fine with executing Hoopla anyway
If her wagon falls apart I'll switch to popopopopopopo but I do think if we give up now we'll just be executing her D3 anyway

This basically mirrors my thoughts..I'm concerned about the level of... construction in hoops' posts (how hard is it to say you were stoned and made a few weird posts?) But like...*shrug*

like, there was nothing to it, I can't see a good reason for them to end up on popopo and just let the lynch happen.

their progression of votes was galron > hooplas > popopo

and none looked good to me now when I look back.
so yeah, just have them in non-town pile

I didn't quote this post in the one I actually voted for bella, but I had clearly gone through their posts and said I hated their lynch vote yesterday.

[geraintm]

Is noone else getting increasingly strange vibes from the Una/Isis back and forth of 'but how can I be scum when hoops is scum?!?!'

distraction post

[geraintm]

How did I become your second strongest townread una

Is anyone opposed to a gal wagon?

when I looked over them before I had them middle of the roadish. I feel moving to a new wagon isn't worth it, I am happy with trying to increase the pressure where we have it at the moment.

[geraintm]

Spoiler:

ok, is this meant to be your scum reads in order? because I think for the 2d time in a row im not on there.

[geraintm]

am of the opinion that bella and una should be closer to voting than they appear to be. we are plenty into day 2 now

[geraintm]

I mean that because when I am trying to get bella lynched maninly on my reads of their bad votes from erlier in the game, if their response is to stop voting that feels bad. I wanted them to have placed better thought out votes, and they are now hiding

[geraintm]

I still think Bella is the wrong execution today. But if that 5th vote comes, I'll give intent. Consider that a warning to any lol hammers.

What a terrible post

Birthday today, less postsbthan usual

[geraintm]

I stepped away for a day, and I cannot work out what is going on. People asking permission to move their vote? People don't seem to be pushing actual logic on wagons, just instead wanting to randoly consolidate wagons.

[geraintm]

Splitting into multiple wagons and then rushing into one "because deadline" is the way to play where scum can scatter however they want.

Agree with this (I think I tried to express this thought myself, but this is better).
But the random screeching of players going "we should be only on 3 wagons" without actually saying why certain wagons are better than others isnt helpful either.

[geraintm]

Tried to read galron's post to see if i think I could see a reason to switch to them. They have been under pressure for a while.

Their posts are just...Meh. lots of "it would be bad to lynch me" some posts through aspersions on others but no real pushes to getbother wagons going.
Lots of "this player is doing things people are scum reading me for"

But...there is little overall content. I haven't seen anything explicitly scummy. But little town and has the vibe of someone who just doesn't think they are going to get lynched...

[geraintm]

we can just clown Galron.

I’m curious what kind of ice cream gera likes.

VOTE: galron

Nothing with nuts. Mint choc chip is a good one, but a straight up 99 is hard to beat.

Once had Smurf ice cream, that was weird.

[geraintm]

@galron

I dislike players who tag people as scum, place lots of votes. If a player ends up thinking 80% of the players are scum then that isn't helpful, and I felt it was what you were doing in the first half ofnyesterfay

It reminds me of this, which was also scummy.

just because I had a read on you which points you as scum, that doesn't make it scummy

[geraintm]

VOTE: Hoopla

VOTE: Replacement for Sujimichi

VOTE: Galron

this is a bad look. isis is just voting anything that moves.
my post 1149 when I looked over them and hated their slot. well, I hate it still

VOTE: isis

[geraintm]

I didn't get any ice cream
even I, who is blind to every crumb, knew they were being weird

[geraintm]

I don't think we are going to lynch anywhere else by Hoopla today.
VOTE: hoopla[/v]

[geraintm]

VOTE: hoopla

[geraintm]

I think my next effort will be trying to go over the many, many vote counts and eeing who was on which wagons to see where that gets me.

[geraintm]

But weekend so not likely today. I don't have any extra info to add though that no one else knows

[geraintm]

I am fairly sure not science got killed as he was about to give me ice cream and the pair of us were going to be cleared. He wasn't subtle about it and people could work it out. And scum would always kill the more useful player out of the pair of us.

Q: if they had killed them, would I have woken up with ice cream? Or would that have been thwarted?

[geraintm]

gerain you know that his role didn't literally distribute ice cream right
neapolitan is the name of a role that investigates if someone is a vanilla townie

Yeah....so I think I have basically been playing the last 6 months on this site as a complete idiot. I would like to think that is because I am lulling everyone into a false sense of security and one day it is going to matter and I can turn something I do which is totally stupid into something really smart.
But I actually think I am just bad at this game.

....i honesly thought there would be ice cream
I didnt really know what the role did but everyone was saying it would clear the person who was being targeted it and I think I got that and somethig fruit related confused.

I'll get my coat...

[geraintm]

N_M and gera are the "wildcards".
I don't think I've seen scum!N_M ever? I'm not even sure what it would look like.

I hope gera can give his perspective soon as well.
I think they were the only one to out any major suspicions towards Isis yesterday?
Not sure if that was scummy (guess that'd make me scummy too for having these lurking suspicions), or the complete opposite.
I'd argue it's almost towny to doubt universal townreads at this point? Dunno.

wildcard how? as in you don't know what I am, or what I am going to do?

VOTE: Not_Mafia
I don't actuall think I wanna go there today, I just want to cause Fredrick to post a votecount so I can like visualize the gamestate

Should we massclaim this phase or next phase, I don't play tons of normals. I think it's generally done at eLo -1?

these are the two bits from isis that I find interesting today.
like, I disliked isis yesterday and I don't think they have done much today I like either

[geraintm]

going through all the votes I can find that had at least 4 on them, and going to pick out anything interesting I can find

Day1

Bob - Dunn, Emp/not mafia/Klick/not science

3 of these turned into town, all dead and only one left alive in not_mafia

Hoopla's wagon had 6 on it twice

Bella, Isis, Klick/pokens, not science and Una and then switched from bob to Bella

of those on the wagons, Bella, Isis and Una are still alive and everyone else was town

popo was lynched. 2 townies in Dunn and Klick/porkens who later turned up dead. obv Hoopla was on the lynch
the other lynchers were Bella, Isis, Replacement and Una

Bella looks bad on day one. they were on the Galron, Hoopla and Popo wagons
Una looks bad too. On My wagon, the hoopla and popo wagon

Day 2

There was a bella wagon with 5 votes, 3 of whom are townies (me, Porkens and not science) and then Not Mafia and Isis

there was a replacement wagon that had Galron (town) and Hoople and then Bob and Not-mafia

these were at the same time

the eventual Galron wagon was

Porkens and not science (town)
Hoopla
not_mafia, isis and una

day 3

the hoopla wagon had

me
hoopla
isia, bella and una -

they killed night 3 porkens which is kinda weird. they had lynched galron and popo, might have been worth their while keeping them around because of being on previous lynches

thoughts

bella disappeared from wagons day 2
replacement hasn't been on any wagons since the lynch at the end of day 1
una has been in a lot. they were on the hoopla and popo day 1, the galron one day 2 and hoopla day 3

not-mafia
was on loads day 2 - emperor was on basically none day 1. they were on wagons day 2 on bella replacement and galron

bob isn't on many and hasn't been on a lynch all game


isis looks awful

day 1 on the hoopla wagon early, and then the popo lynch
day 2 on the bella, replacement and galron wagons
day 3 the hoopla lynch

ok, I am not overwhelmed with thoughts.

here are how I am reading people's presence on wagons

Bella - on all hoopla wagons, absent day 2 and jumped off the galron wagon before the lynch.

bob - they just aren't on wagons. not on any lynches. if they are scum they have done it very much on the down low

not mafia - didn't vote hoopla day 3.
day 2 on loads of wagons. looks bad

isis

voted hoopla
lynched popo and galron
also on the bella nd replacement wagons day 2
has a similar profile to bella

replacement

lynched popo day 1, not been on any wagons since. similar profile to bob


una

lynched hoopla day 3
on plenty wagons day 1 me and popo, day 2 the galron wagon

I think if bob and replacement are scum then they have outplayed me. they have both basically not been involved in any wagons and have let town kill itself

bella/isis/una

all three have similar profiles.
all 3 voted for hoopla day 1 and lynched them day 3
all three lynched popo
2 lynched galron and the other nearly did

not mafia

they have the unique voting pattern

no votes for hoopla on the wagons
emperor was absent day 1 before they were replaced
day 2 they were on lots of wagons, including bella, me and galron. got off bella early though

they look, to me, the most suspicious out of all the voting patterns

I have them minorly tired with Bella

I can't see me voting for Bob or replacement any time soon.

VOTE: not mafia

[geraintm]

I have no other info to go on in this game, all I can do is look through past votes and that is what I have done. said I would and so have done so.
any errors in the wagon counts are my own, please point them out if I have made any

[geraintm]

I thi k it is likely. It only becomes unlikely if at least one sxumhas basicLly avoided being in any wagons the entire game. That is also likely. But I am pretty much out of ideas in this game in finding scum.from their posts so have tried a different angle.

[geraintm]

I've been in a few games now with bob. just gives off the most consistent town vibes all the time. might have to start lynching him early as a policy because I know the game they are scum they'll just have me.

[geraintm]

I was close. I am basically convinced my reads should not be the start of any wagon, and scum use me as a way of getting an easy lunch.

[geraintm]

Easy lynch

[geraintm]

And the real point of it was to see whether gera or RfS would've unvoted in their next post and reacted like a posing scum might do if they are currently on a mislynch or on their scumbuddy.Neither did that, so I'm back to planning my next move.

I don't know if I have passed your test or what?
considering how close I was to unvoting though, your test was flawed

[geraintm]

He plays like this as either alignment. Maybe I just feel uneasy at the thought of wrecking elsewhere when NM could be scum and there's very little we could do to ascertain and get him for it. I suppose it basically is a policy wreckage I'm pushing for.

Is this aimed at me?

I think since I’ve returned to the site I’ve had. String of being VT except my first game back in a newbie game when I was scum
I think the reason I am so often read as town is because I am indeed always town and the reason I am always clueless is because I am always vt

[geraintm]

At those who voted nm. (gerain, rfs and una)

How do you read nm unvote of bella after porkens push bella to l-1?

Now you might town or scum read bella but based on your read on bella. Why do you think a scum nm would unvote in such a way

Is this the bit about not mafia in my summary when I said they jumped off Bella quickly, and was why I had them minority tied to Bella from my second tier?

[geraintm]

The isis post above aimed at not mafia has my senses tingling though

[geraintm]

I had una in my 2nd tier, but the three people voting for them are my current vote and the other 2 from my second tier so I ain’t joining that.

[geraintm]

I had una in my 2nd tier, but the three people voting for them are my current vote and the other 2 from my second tier so I ain’t joining that.

What if I ask really nicely?

um, try it. can't hurt

[geraintm]

I had una in my 2nd tier, but the three people voting for them are my current vote and the other 2 from my second tier so I ain’t joining that.

What if I ask really nicely?

um, try it. can't hurt

Nervously twirls thumbs

G-g-g-geraintm

Looks down at floor

C-could you please vote Una, pwetty pwease

Looks up with puppy dog eyes

pwwwweeeeeaaassssseee uwu

Sorry

[geraintm]

At this point RFs and Gera either need to elim me, or Una.
Una will lynch basically anyone. He only town reads bob. Like...can we just get this done? I will elim myself tomorrow if I'm wrong.

I am trying to lhnch you, I dont understand this post?

[geraintm]

my feeling btw is that the inability for any wagon to go over the top means scum is likely among the targets.

[geraintm]

im goign to do reread after dinner to see if my poe of isis, bella and una is right. And that my town reads on gerain, rfs and nm are right

If you can find me different in this game to others ill be impressed. And you always seemed to find me then in those

[geraintm]

my feeling btw is that the inability for any wagon to go over the top means scum is likely among the targets.

Daughters tenth birthday today, sorry.

I stand by this. That the wagons are not consolidating or going over the top makes me think they are scum or the votes are scum. Me not being one of the wagons helps with this thinking being honest.

[geraintm]

that bob isn't one of the wagons helps too.

[geraintm]

my feeling btw is that the inability for any wagon to go over the top means scum is likely among the targets.

Daughters tenth birthday today, sorry.

I stand by this. That the wagons are not consolidating or going over the top makes me think they are scum or the votes are scum. Me not being one of the wagons helps with this thinking being honest.

So can you vote for Bella or Una, and I'll join you and we can end this day??

why don't you join me? as I have said I think the wagons are either on scum or voted by scum, I do not want to join anyone. I am very reluctant in this game state to do so.

[geraintm]

a lot of people are saying who they think are scum, and not willing to follow votes due to this.

for ease, here is my list, going from worst to best

not mafia
bella
isis/una

bob
replacement

me

the bella wagon is 3 Bob Una and Isis
the Una wagon is 2 Not Mafia and Bella
the not mafia wagon is 2 me and Replacement.

as the bella and una wagons both have 2 of the 4 people I dislike on them, I ain't joining them despite me thinking Bella and Una are bad.

[geraintm]

@ isis - I am voting my top scum read -not mafia

everyone is sitting here going "come switch to vote with me" and I have too many reservations to do that.

[geraintm]

I'm awake now.
Bob dying isn't that much of a surprise to me. I am fairly sure my read a are bad enough that scum are happy for me to still have a vote.
Am more than happy to claim, but I am 95% sure I've been pretty explicit in my role throughout the game. If people want me to go last then I can wait

[geraintm]

to confirm, it is

Me
Not mafia
Replacement
Una
Isis

Left. I think not mafia is still where I want to lynch

[geraintm]

Isis tracker
Not mafia VT
Una 2 shot compulsive commuter
Going to have to Google what that role does

[geraintm]

so to understand, the 1st 2 nights of the game they are away and can't be killed at night but after that they are effectively Vt?

[geraintm]

so....
Dunnstral would not have got a result on them the 1st 2 nights, and after they found they were clear?

Galron would have got no result
Not science would have got "not vanilla"

[geraintm]

I am a plain vt. I think i was fairly explicit all the way through the vame saying I would never have any extra info

[geraintm]

Gera, say you execute N_M, he flips scum, the mafia no kill, and you go to the next day phase and Frederick says no No Executing

Who are you voting?

Well....not sure being honest. I want to vote not mafia, suspect it is like 70/30 to be right. Tonorrow is a day away. I hate the push towards replacement. Fear my interagency is going to cost us now, but feel as town has pretty much had no successful hits on any day on any jnfo the roughly 25% chance we have left seems fair

[geraintm]

Want isis to come back.

[geraintm]

Confess that I am at the stage of the game where not much people can say will alter my thoughts.
People pointing out votes and quotes from the past might, but bleating now won't.

[geraintm]

Confess that I am at the stage of the game where not much people can say will alter my thoughts.
People pointing out votes and quotes from the past might, but bleating now won't.

This is a strange attitude for someone who's constantly saying how flawed their reads always are

Well, I wrote that on the basis that I didn't think we would have a post coming out that had a guilty verdict on someone. I obviously have to eevaluta the game now. Give me some time as sister and family are arriving for the day shortly.

[geraintm]

Isis tracker
Not mafia VT
Una 2 shot compulsive commuter
Going to have to Google what that role does

Isis, I assumed your claims was true. Please never assume I will pick up any crumbs and work out what you were thinking. It has to be a blunt trauma injury level for me.to realise something was going on...and even then today I didn't understand what the ice cream.meant

[geraintm]

I am unsure why you would vote me over somekne you have a guilty on?
Or why you have unvoted

[geraintm]

Checking in...or game is over.
Why on earth did you vote me and not the person you had a confirm on???

Like, I know I ain't great but I don't make a mistake like that.

[geraintm]

So, I basically can't read anyone. Entering last day I had not mafia as my top read and replacement most townie.


I need to Costanza more games

[geraintm]

I was just saving time gera, N_M would have voted you in f3.

losing with 5 alive and losing with 3 alive is the same

You think the last day would have been me, not mafia and una. Scum assuming I'd vote not mafia and get the win?

I feel like I should be costanza, but I am more like Indiana Jones. Nothing I do in a game makes any difference

[geraintm]

checked the mafia/dead threads. I suspect I need to get myself killed quicker when VT to not let myself get into end games when my presence is useful.

[geraintm]

I have had too many games where I get bumped from my reads to other people's reads as deadline approaches or to break open stalled games and helping mislynches. I was very clear this game that the people I was reading as most likely scum were the ones also voting for the person I might switch to made it harder for me.
it also was tricky that a game I was following contained Bob, and he just won it as scum and I had them as my most town read in this game. I admit I got paralysed.