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Are you serious? If so, why?In post 11, innocentvillager wrote:this is a good wagon- midwaybear
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I think this is a lie.In post 14, innocentvillager wrote:I'm always serious
Wdym by town AGAIN? You were scum last timeIn post 16, Dunnstral wrote:Town again
Uh I don't see your name in the scum PT...In post 26, Mafia Goon wrote:Wtf, I wasn't actually expecting to roll mafia goon lmao
Maybe Umlaut has a sick sense of humour
Anyways, I think Dunnstral is town for not letting the L-1 vote sit on me. Don't have anything solid on anyone else.- midwaybear
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Well it's not much, but it's the best idea I have for now. My gut tells me you're town, so I can work with that too.In post 33, innocentvillager wrote:
this is a solid read for you? id like to know moreIn post 31, midwaybear wrote:Anyways, I think Dunnstral is town for not letting the L-1 vote sit on me. Don't have anything solid on anyone else.
In response to Mafiagoon...
1. Town
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3. Pretty excited
4. I like town better now because I realized I'm not that good at mafia.- midwaybear
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ok goon Yes, I did.In post 40, Mafia Goon wrote:My friends call me Mafi, midway. Don't you dare suggest we're not friends.
You used to enjoy playing as scum more?
@Blair maybe... I guess it could come from both town and scum, but I feel like scum has more incentive to leave the vote on.- midwaybear
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Is this legit?In post 55, Ydrasse wrote:i am a bit suspicious of you being a mafia goon.
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Y e sIn post 74, Blair wrote:(Is that what people thought I was reacting to?)- midwaybear
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so now you view putting someone at L-1 a scumtell?In post 21, Blair wrote:Oh, you have GOT to be kidding me...
Dunnstral. Did you actually roll scum AGAIN?
Meh don't like this from Battle Mage. Answers a question directed at someone else, and he is pretty self-aware of this which is scummy.In post 84, Battle Mage wrote:erm presumably he's on about the vote by InnocentVillager after the L-1 vote, which immediately preceded your post, and to the untrained eye may have appeared to be a hammer.
Not that I agree or care, but just saying.
First mafia goon and now me? You really need to explain yourself.In post 85, Ydrasse wrote:i’ll find midways scum partner when i’m home.
In post 88, Battle Mage wrote:i mean midway's iso does look like crap but
VOTE: Battle Mage- midwaybear
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A. It's not very important but not a lot of people were talking so I decided to ask it. blair's reaction was not normal though.
B. Your answer was wrong too because I wasn't really thinking about IV so it was more of my mistake.
C. Your answer was wrong so my answer would be the one lost.
D. I can see you answering that to try to look helpful as scum. There's not a lot of reason to answer it as town.
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Can you explain how you derived Dunnstral being scum then?In post 21, Blair wrote:Oh, you have GOT to be kidding me...
Dunnstral. Did you actually roll scum AGAIN?
Also, your tell doesn't work because I am town- midwaybear
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Ok thanks. This is a fair point.In post 100, Blair wrote:Dunnstral put you at L-1, then a mere six minutes later, thought"ehh, maybe not..."then voted for Puppy instead, and made it look like an innocent opportunity to make a joke with Puppy username in the process. It felt a little too self conscious to me to be genuine.
I was thinking your strong reaction was based on him quickhammering/almost quickhammering me because he does that a lot as scum.- midwaybear
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So what are you going to do about it? For the record, I am not scumreading you right now. I think you should address Blair's point though. What you did could be perceived as scummy self consciousness.In post 103, Dunnstral wrote:
You acknowledging this makes your earlier arguing look weirdIn post 102, midwaybear wrote:I was thinking your strong reaction was based on him quickhammering/almost quickhammering me because he does that a lot as scum.
I agree that me not answering is not very important, but I was just answering your question.In post 104, Battle Mage wrote:In any case, by your own admission, this wasn't an important topic anyway, so is your answer being lost a particularly bad thing?
But I didn't...In post 104, Battle Mage wrote:You've made it clear in your answer to C that me answering the question was constructive in enabling you to sort my slot
This is fair and may be an accurate representation of what I did.In post 104, Battle Mage wrote:It was, from my perspective, a pointless line of questioning, and I wanted to nip it in the bud. To continue to pretend something is AI when it isn't, and wilfully waste time talking about inconsequentials, are more typical scum behaviours.
I don't remember you doing it in our previous game, but I believe you because it's risky to lie about it.In post 104, Battle Mage wrote:Can you explain why that would be scum-indicative here when you know I have done it as town elsewhere?
I do not think you are an easy target and it follows that I would need better arguments to launch you.In post 104, Battle Mage wrote:A less generous intepretation would be that you are not appraising me in good faith, and perceive me as an easy target, against whom you can pursue a lazy ill-considered argument.
I'm not really sure about this. You have a good point here. I think I remembered Dunnstral more because he also thought Blair's reaction was "over the top". Maybe she didn't care because she knew it was fake.In post 106, Battle Mage wrote:Why did you not ask, either originally, or subsequently when you realised your mistake, why Blair didn't respond to Innocentvillager's fake hammer? If you thought her reaction to Dunnstral was an over-reaction, did you not also think that her failure to acknowledge innocentvillager was an under-reaction? Surprised you didn't comment on this.
No.In post 106, Battle Mage wrote:Is your acknowledgement in blue above, paving the way for you to vote Dunnstral?
Is this scummy or what?In post 110, Battle Mage wrote:This feels like an unusually serious line to take so early, although some players are just like this. This isn't consistent however...
Not really, but whatever you sayIn post 110, Battle Mage wrote:"my gut tells me you're town" on page 2? sounds like an informed minority.
scummy answers to the 4 questions.
Wouldn't it be the opposite where scum would be more inclined to buddy up?In post 110, Battle Mage wrote:Very jokey, and not taking the bait of being friendly - which I think is slightly scum-indicative, as town are often more liberal with their allegiances.
I like to take jokes seriously just for fun sometimes.In post 110, Battle Mage wrote:Inconceivable that anyone would have fallen for this, why even bother saying it? it was clearly a joke.
Last game I played with you I was town.In post 110, Battle Mage wrote:In the last game I played with Midway, this same approach was used, and the same conversation ensued about why it was done.
No, I was serious. I want to know why Ydrasse scumreads mafia goon(and me).In post 110, Battle Mage wrote:Non-serious question misleadingly framed as a serious one.
Regarding needing to make a serious vote, I feel like we were still in the early joking stage of the game. We weren't really transitioning to the more serious part, so I disagree that scum me would be inclined to do so at that time.In post 110, Battle Mage wrote:I've already covered the substance of this in some detail, but the vote for me here is really weak, and is likely driven by a perceived self-conciousness about posting frequently but not voting since an original random vote. Probably about the time scum might consider this at risk of looking conspicuous. Midway needs to make another vote and wants to make it sound serious so he looks like he is progressing the game. More marks for presentation than substance.
Not really sure what to make of Battle Mage yet. Seems quite serious which is different but NAI.- midwaybear
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Ok, it just didn't really sound like you were joking to me.In post 115, Ydrasse wrote:@midway: i guess it wasn't clear and that's on me but i don't actually sr you or mafia goon because i haven't taken this seriously yet.
@IV I was thinking there would be 2 scum because 3 seems like a bit too much for a 10p game. I'm not sure though, and it's interesting that there are 10 players instead of 9.- midwaybear
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In post 122, innocentvillager wrote:do we know that there are exactly 3 scum? or is it merely probable
please don't read into this question from an alignment perspective I just want to know thanks
Does anyone else think this is sorta awkward?In post 123, innocentvillager wrote:^i would ask this as town or scum.
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Ok, that's fair. I'm a little interested why you thought there could be 3 scum because I am thinking there are 2.In post 126, innocentvillager wrote:I just want to know what people's thoughts are on this, I don't have a good sense for closed game setup spec. But I've seen people ask this stuff multiple times in past games and it leads to some speculation about their alignment, so I wanted to acknowledge that I was conscious of this fact to make people read into it less. I hope me saying that doesn't make people read into it more -_-
Meh, I think that is NAI. Both town and scum me would do it.In post 127, Battle Mage wrote:I would say it stands out to me more that you didn't make this observation when you first responded to the post, and instead answered the question at face value, and then returned 20 minutes later to throw that shade.- midwaybear
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Aight time to reply to Battle Mage.
Not really sure where you got this from? Dunnstral is null scum to me because him not voting me isn't as townie as I thought and he's not posting.In post 136, Battle Mage wrote:Translation: If you dare fking scumread me, I'm going to OMGUS the living shit out of you. Now don't look at me!
I was voting for you because I thought you were trying to me unnecessarily helpful, and your read on me seemed to me a vagueIn post 136, Battle Mage wrote:I'm not sure how this stacks up against your original attack on me for answering the question for you, where you suggested you were very worried about your answer being lost. Please can you remind me again why you're voting for me?scum, but could be town. I think you deserve this UNVOTE: Battle Mage, but I'm still having trouble reading you right now.
I did not mention it in part C, but I did overall. I guess it is semantics.In post 136, Battle Mage wrote:Why are you lying about this?
You're right.In post 136, Battle Mage wrote:Isn't this you doing exactly what you accused me of? Answering a question for Blair. Only in this case, it's a relevant question, and rather than even seek to ask her, you simply give a justification for her.
No, that was a question at you. I wanted to know whether you thought me being serious was scummy.In post 136, Battle Mage wrote:Is it? Are you asking for a town view before you commit your own? Good to have an explanation on this.
Not sure what you're trying to get at here. My comment was sarcastic and an attempt to discredit your argument against me.In post 136, Battle Mage wrote:As you know, I have a bit of form using this approach - you don't care for my opinion though? Even though you were quick to ask Mafia Goon for his view on the same earlier?
Ok, but wouldn't scum be incentivized to buddy so that they can get into townblocks?In post 136, Battle Mage wrote:Town on the other hand, often try and form townblocs, and when successful these can be very effective.
My read on you isn't really like this because I think you've been doing things that are generally townie this game, but I feel like scum you could fake easily. I guess if I had to say it: you are slight lean town.In post 136, Battle Mage wrote:Can you set out your assessment of me, maybe using 2 lists "town" and "scum" and listing points under each?- midwaybear
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Can you explain what you mean by perspective shift? I do townlean IV, but I don't understand how you derived it from the posts you quoted.In post 168, Mafia Goon wrote:Inen is probably town for this. It takes some real perspective shifting to fabricate this line of thought. I'm disappointed, Inen; we would make good scum partners.
Why do you expect mafia goon to solve the game? I can't really tell if you're serious about this, but you have asked mafia goon this at least once before too.In post 174, CantHateAPuppy wrote:i missed you too buddy! have you solved the game yet? oh god please say yes
They come from both alignments.In post 180, Ydrasse wrote:my question is: are dumb pushes more prone to come from town or scum though.
???In post 182, Ydrasse wrote:i am willing to accept the L
My take on what Nosferatu means about Blair/Dunn is that Blair's push on Dunn didn't make sense and thus might have been too informed. However, I think Blair raised a fair point. Also, do you still scumread me blair?- midwaybear
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Yeah, but as scum you would also be paranoid that people think you are scum trying to dumb tell.In post 200, Mafia Goon wrote:
Getting so hung up over how a question like the one he asked looks means he's self-conscious about slips and how they can be read. I've made a very similar string of posts like that as town before, and I think it's weird and a hard thing to fabricate as scum, since the paranoia won't exist if you're scum since your aim with the question is to look towny for not knowing the answer in the first place, not to try and discount any way it can be read alignment-wise.In post 197, midwaybear wrote:Can you explain what you mean by perspective shift? I do townlean IV, but I don't understand how you derived it from the posts you quoted.- midwaybear
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@blair he did elaborate here.In post 205, innocentvillager wrote:
Okay... where's the vote then?In post 196, midwaybear wrote:Meh the reasoning for voting BM was ok, but I do agree that the jab at Nosferatu was pretty scummy.
I don't like the reasoning for voting BM. How did you feel when he backed off you? You were the one who was interacting with the most (tbf I didn't really through the whole wall wars, too many nested quotes and I got confused) so you should have the best sense of this. There's no reason that it's necessarily scummy to back off after grilling someone for a bit, which is BM's style anyway, and it seems more likely that lurkerscum!rock just needed some easy content to pass off as analysis. Like tell me genuinely why what he described specifically could be reasonably interpreted as scum motivated with some amount of thought and confidence.
That and the Nosferatu vote seems like an incredibly superficial analysis which he seems unnaturally confident in and I don't believe that he's read your wall wars in their entirety. Neither of these feel much like a real town process.
Pedit: oops looks like you are catching up
In general I hate these kinds of lurking catchup posts that just cast shade on people for superficial reasons without mentioning any townreads. As scum I get upset when townies get into a wall war with each other and subsequently unvote each other. I get upset when town forms townblocs. It's natural for scum!me to want to cast doubt on these. The fact that this is the material he decided to include in his catchup post is particularly incriminating for me.
@IV to answer your question. I voted BM for his whole thing about me being scummy but maybe town, so that’s why I said r2r’s reason on that front was ok. You can interpret what BM did there as a sort of hedge where he refuses to really commit to a stance about me which is generally scummy. After interacting with him, I feel a little better.
I hope I can post more tomorrow. I think I will VOTE: Ydrasse. I see merit in the Nosferatu wagon, but I think this is fine too.- midwaybear
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yeah this is sorta a hedge. I feel better about my vote.In post 219, Ydrasse wrote:i sheep this
VOTE: ready2rock
i don't think that ready2rock's statement about nosferatu is really that confident though, tbf. "very combatitive" is strong wording ig but given that it's pinned on as an afterthought i'd argue that there isn't a lot of heart in it.
I actually felt differently about his early read on me. He was leaving room to townread me and that was the reason for my initial vote.In post 220, ready2rock wrote:To clarify a bit, my case is that in his read of midway, especially his ISO analysis post, he presents every post and basically waves his arms and says "see? this is clearly scum!" There's almost no "this isn't too bad" or "I could see this coming from misled town, but..." and this is what I meant by uncharitable.
With Dunnstral, being lazy as scum is definitely something he would do. I don't think you should let someone free from suspicion just because they seem to be too scummy to be scum.In post 220, ready2rock wrote:I kinda want to say that this is too careless to come from scum. Been wrong on that before, but I'll go with that for now
I think I can see r2r's point based on the quoted portions in 221 about how BM was being uncharitable towards me.
279 ok then...
I do agree with IV's most recent post about how BM's early interactions with me aren't necessarily scum motivated. I'm also not realla fan of Blair calling out people but not really explaining why she thinks that way.- midwaybear
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hmm this is what I was thinking too. I'm not really feeling the r2r wagon so much.In post 234, ready2rock wrote:Blair has Schrodinger's Case, where she’s presented this incredible genius read for the last page or two, but we haven't opened the box so you’ll never know if her case was ever actually there or not- midwaybear
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This is very helpful. I understand why you scumread me now.In post 241, Dunnstral wrote:I think he's playing like he would as scum- midwaybear
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I don’t think so, but how do you think they are similar?In post 248, Dunnstral wrote:In post 243, midwaybear wrote:
This is very helpful. I understand why you scumread me now.In post 241, Dunnstral wrote:I think he's playing like he would as scum
The only time I've seen you as anti-town is when you thought you were anti-town in lunacy, for the first day only. I'm comparing your play here to that- midwaybear
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I think I already asked this question to her.In post 256, Mafia Goon wrote:Was your reaction to Dunnstral "rolling scum" a genuine one or were you overreacting?
I like this. I don't know why I like this.In post 261, CantHateAPuppy wrote:This is not very helpful. I don't understand anything!
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It means that two people have an above random chance of being wolves together maybe because of a specific interaction(or lack thereof).In post 288, Ydrasse wrote: also i've been meaning to ask this for like five games now but what in the world does partner equity actually mean.
I'm lazy so I am going to call Battle Mage's wall town and desperately pray that he isn't scum taking advantage of heavy apathy. Dunnstral legit always plays in a pretty scummy way, but I guess that's no reason not to vote him. I need to hear from him more.- midwaybear
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effort is hard. I don't agree that Dunnstral looks townier now.In post 357, Dunnstral wrote:
So you have nothing else to say?In post 347, midwaybear wrote:Alright, we going Dunnstral today?- midwaybear
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how?In post 377, Blair wrote:Dunnstral is caught!scum, stop resisting. You can only delay our glorious town victory!
I'm fine with ydrasse, but I don't get the Dunnstral townreads.- midwaybear
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This is low key scummy because you aren’t specifying what role. I still will vote ydrasse though
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I literally started her wagon and only unvoted/revoted to vote Dunn and revote her...In post 479, CantHateAPuppy wrote:Reads like scum positioning to join the wagon (whether ydrasse is scum or not)- midwaybear
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Gimme my towncred now.In post 216, midwaybear wrote:VOTE: Ydrasse- midwaybear
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weakest vote was r2r probably. So either him or off wagon.In post 509, CantHateAPuppy wrote:do you think scum was on the ydrasse wagon or off it- midwaybear
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Is this invalid?In post 546, Blair wrote:Your argument is, "Blair couldn't possibly misread me like this."- midwaybear
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This seems like a convenient way to get out of arguing with Blair.In post 570, ready2rock wrote:My eye is also starting to be on the people who are kind of fading into the background during this day- midwaybear
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Ok, I should have more time on this game now.
@Nosferatu is BM scum just because of how he voted Ydrasse? I know he pressured you for some bad reasons early in the game, but is there anything more to it?
I'm leaning away from Dunnstral, but he probably has to go at some point in this game because he isn't doing much right now.
r2r and Blair I need to look at more...
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hmm
maybe it's because I was the first person to show suspicion towards ydrasse and the first person to actually vote her. Bussing exists which is a fair point, but it doesn't make sense for me to start that early because
a. town apathy makes any wagon a threat to hang someone
b. I don't bus in general- midwaybear
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