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it's the posts you made.In post 21, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Okay how thoIn post 19, tris wrote:because that's the side i've chosen. it's the scummiest side
I was okay with you voting me but saying my side is “the scummiest” is a massive reach- tris
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rude, the cat is perfectIn post 41, EchoVision wrote:
fuck your gif picture that cat's toxicIn post 35, tris wrote:ok, i guess it was a flashwagon. the main thing i remembered from that was getting accidentally hammered. ha
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gamma is no longer scummy. i'm canceling it.In post 43, Alchemist21 wrote:
Elaborate.In post 31, tris wrote:
it's the posts you made.In post 21, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Okay how thoIn post 19, tris wrote:because that's the side i've chosen. it's the scummiest side
I was okay with you voting me but saying my side is “the scummiest” is a massive reach- tris
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it was not a serious vote.In post 53, Mizzytastic wrote:And now I remember where the scum read that became the flashwagon started...
Would like to hear the reason though, if it's a serious vote.- tris
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do you mean lock scum? otherwise i'm confusedIn post 60, EchoVision wrote:
tris can be my first lock townIn post 58, Datisi wrote:mizzy can be my first townlean
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no they aren't. why do you hate them?In post 61, SirCakez wrote:In post 31, tris wrote:
it's the posts you made.In post 21, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Okay how thoIn post 19, tris wrote:because that's the side i've chosen. it's the scummiest side
I was okay with you voting me but saying my side is “the scummiest” is a massive reach
My tris vote is now seriousIn post 46, tris wrote:
gamma is no longer scummy. i'm canceling it.In post 43, Alchemist21 wrote:
Elaborate.In post 31, tris wrote:
it's the posts you made.In post 21, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Okay how thoIn post 19, tris wrote:because that's the side i've chosen. it's the scummiest side
I was okay with you voting me but saying my side is “the scummiest” is a massive reach
These posts are terrible- tris
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you don't think scum could be confused by that?In post 58, Datisi wrote:mizzy can be my first townlean- tris
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ok i get it now.In post 74, EchoVision wrote:yall are tryin too hard too early zzzzzzzzz- tris
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do you think 72 has the same scum feels or is it different somehow?In post 95, UnaBombaH wrote:Well I feel like 91 has the scum feels.
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i don't see it. VOTE: DatisiIn post 67, Datisi wrote:
sure can, that's not why i think they're >rand townIn post 66, tris wrote:
you don't think scum could be confused by that?In post 58, Datisi wrote:mizzy can be my first townlean
their posts so far give me a genuine vibe
maybe you're scum who already knows mizzy is town- tris
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i wasn't joking, but i wasn't serious.In post 102, SirCakez wrote:
I don't believe you were joking at all. Doesn't make sense tonally.In post 65, tris wrote:
no they aren't. why do you hate them?In post 61, SirCakez wrote:In post 31, tris wrote:
it's the posts you made.In post 21, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Okay how thoIn post 19, tris wrote:because that's the side i've chosen. it's the scummiest side
I was okay with you voting me but saying my side is “the scummiest” is a massive reach
My tris vote is now seriousIn post 46, tris wrote:
gamma is no longer scummy. i'm canceling it.In post 43, Alchemist21 wrote:
Elaborate.In post 31, tris wrote:
it's the posts you made.In post 21, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Okay how thoIn post 19, tris wrote:because that's the side i've chosen. it's the scummiest side
I was okay with you voting me but saying my side is “the scummiest” is a massive reach
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what you're saying at the end there is confusing. i don't understand the words.In post 109, Testarossa wrote:I am probably reaching here a lot, but I get very minimalistic townie vibes from Gamma for 80. As I was in the same game I had the same déjà vu and spent some thought about it if it was coincidence or could have meant anything and I feel you might be chew as townie more likely about it openly.
but, responding beyond that: I don't see why mafia wouldn't also have the same deja vu.- tris
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the first part of your sentence there is actually +town for me. I like how you decided to made a vote just to engage in the wagon. seems like a town thing to do.In post 118, Datisi wrote:- my vote on tris wasn't serious at first and i am brushing off the whole joke/non-joke thing as weird NAI banter, but i actively dislike 99, the "oh you're scum and you know they're town" just feels like a very shady and frankly dumb argument
the second part: what's so shady about that? it seemed like a stretch to me that mizzy's posts indicated town in any way. it made me think you might be biased by the fact that you already know they're town. you could even be scum fabricating a town read on a partner. either way, the bottom line is, the townread felt contrived.- tris
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do you have anything to say about any of the other voters then?In post 129, Alchemist21 wrote:
I think it’s his schtick.In post 125, Testarossa wrote:
What does it mean to you that he is always voting tris again?In post 112, Alchemist21 wrote: I think it’s the kind of wagon that forms on people who screw around and people don’t get the joke. Tris’s behavior is probably more likely Town than scum. Will look closer at the voters when I’m not tired; right now all that stands out is the one person voting them 4 times.- tris
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oh sorry, i probably worded that confusingly. i was trying to say that the first part of that sentence was +town points towards you. when i said for me, i meant like from my perspective. and, no it was not sarcastic. it's 100% genuine. not that it cancels out my scum read. i'll just have to weigh these things.In post 148, Datisi wrote:right, this is a game that exists.
i'm not sure what you mean by the first bit, what is supposed to be +town for you? the joke/non-joke thing? also, i kinda get the feeling that the "seems like a town thing to do" ws sarcastic, am i right?In post 119, tris wrote:
the first part of your sentence there is actually +town for me. I like how you decided to made a vote just to engage in the wagon. seems like a town thing to do.In post 118, Datisi wrote:- my vote on tris wasn't serious at first and i am brushing off the whole joke/non-joke thing as weird NAI banter, but i actively dislike 99, the "oh you're scum and you know they're town" just feels like a very shady and frankly dumb argument
the second part: what's so shady about that? it seemed like a stretch to me that mizzy's posts indicated town in any way. it made me think you might be biased by the fact that you already know they're town. you could even be scum fabricating a town read on a partner. either way, the bottom line is, the townread felt contrived.
i just don't see how mizzy was being town. it all seemed pretty normal stuff.iunno, it's just the "early reads seem tmi" is kinda like a pretty easy stance to take, especially since you didn't bother to ask me anything about it.
i would think that criticizing it is an indirect way of asking about it. and i did ask a question before that. do you want to explain the read more?
not really, i'm not attacking you for having an early read.if i told you that giving early reads is actually +town for me, does that change you opinion in any way?- tris
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huh? so, you found a game where iconeum was inactive as town, and one where he was inactive as scum, and your conclusion is that he's scum for being inactive?In post 161, Alchemist21 wrote:Ok the game I was thinking of they were Town. If there was another game I can’t remember which one. Their posts there average out to only 2 or 3 each rl day but they did post a lot at the start.
The game I’m referencing: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=79422
Yeah I think this is a good first wagon.
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why vote for me if you're just going to ignore me?In post 185, UnaBombaH wrote:
I'm a scumlean for voting tris, or..?In post 152, Testarossa wrote:Rather subjective, firstly I don't like half the wagon on her (mainly Una, who is my second scumlean).
I chose to not explain my vote in full just to see what people would make it out to be.
But I do believe my vote was well placed, and townies should be able to see my PoV.
Obviously it's still early in D1, but so far I feel like there has been no reason to move anywhere either.- tris
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i was guessing at what your reasoning was at 97 98, but i was drawing a comparison to a similar post by mizzy to question you on what the difference is for you. i think it's probably about how i explicitly stated that i was going to vote in the morning because i didn't know what to do at the moment, but mizzy was basically doing the same thing, just not vocalizing the part about how they'll vote later. mizzy hadn't placed a serious vote, and was talking about how they need to go to bed. the same thing i was trying to communicate. is the fact that i explicitly stated that i was holding off my vote the problem?In post 207, UnaBombaH wrote:
I'm not ignoring you?In post 192, tris wrote:why vote for me if you're just going to ignore me?
At least I didn't intend to, sorry if it felt like that.
I just chose not to explain my vote on you in a very micro/macro level because I feel like it should've been clear what my reasoning was.- tris
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well, i guess i can't really get much more out of this line of discussion. i still have no idea what you're seeing, but i might unvote you and find somewhere else to go.In post 211, Datisi wrote:re tris 163:
maybe criticizing is an indirect way of asking about it, but the tone of "i don't see it, maybe you're scum tmi'ing" didn't sound interrogatory to me but maybe i'm projecting
though it's funny since i don't think i *can* explain it further than "37 and 53 are gut +town to me"- tris
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the real danger is if town lolhammers.In post 212, UnaBombaH wrote:
Why is it bad?In post 211, Datisi wrote:i don't wann vote tris anymore andthis is where i'd jump on the alchemist train but that would put him on E-1 and that is Bad
You think it's likely for scum to lolhammer at this point of D1?
And even if they did, you think they'd get away with it?
ok, this actually answers my question. i think i get it.This falls under a similar category with why I voted for tris earlier.
Over-explaining your reasonings and actions this early in the game pings me hard as scummy.- tris
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i won a very easy scum-game due to thisIn post 225, SirCakez wrote: I'm gonna hop in on this and say that lolhammers definitely happen early D1 and not even necessarily scum, it can be just town not paying attention or troll town like NM. I've played games where town lolhammers town D1 and then gets elimmed d2 and then town is basically screwed. So I actually like Datisi for his awareness of that.- tris
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oh god, you're reminding me of a newbie game i read once. starting with this post and the discussion that followed.In post 241, Datisi wrote:you were just... randomly calling people town?
also i feel obligated to point out that of you're town, the odds of a random other player also being town are 8/11, not 9/12
i don't think this is a legit scumslip but i could be persuaded otherwise- tris
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but, it's not impossibleIn post 255, Nero Cain wrote:Am I really though?
In post 251, Nero Cain wrote:Not really a fan of Gamma's language herethe above isn't exactly strong criticism of EV. Its not "extremely unlikely" its impossible. Me having a diffrent interpretation of what you said or meant to say isn't a misrep but nice use of buzzword placement.
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oh, i forgot this was a 12 player game. even though i've just been reading posts that said that.In post 259, Nero Cain wrote:
I'm clearly scum that slipped. I coulda swore I saw something that said there were only 2 scum here but I can't find it. Maybe I'm just subconciously projecting 2 scum since its a 12 player instead of a 13 player and in a 13 players its gonna be 10/3 so I may have been thinking it would just be 10/2 but I guess it could just be a 9/3.In post 257, Datisi wrote:i didn't say i agreed with it making him town, quite the opposite
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so, how are you doing this right now? like there doesn't seem to be any reason to be voting for iconeum anymoreIn post 271, Gamma Emerald wrote:I don’t only vote if I’m highly confident about a read. That’s the common course on my homesite, but I’ve played so much here vs. over there that I’m more inclined to apply my vote in aims of sorting people.- tris
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this gives me town pingsIn post 287, UnaBombaH wrote:
Or at least acting weird, yea.In post 253, Nero Cain wrote:you but EV is apparently a 2016 join date too. Yeah you're both pretty scummy.
But so far surface-level, kneejerk reaction, first impression gutreads seem to be the thing anyway, so..- tris
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but, i have been pushing some things.In post 290, Mizzytastic wrote:
I'm around, quite tired, but should be able to read up at leastIn post 77, Testarossa wrote:
Ah, that's good. I skimmed the game you were linking a bit and thought her tone there is pretty similar to what she has displayed here so far, at least it just seems to be her nature. So I agree with it being nai. Why slightly scum? Do you think she changed her approach a bit after you mentioned it?In post 71, Mizzytastic wrote: Yep, both the vote jumpy RVS and not being helpful when pressured for explanations. I think she said that game she always plays RVS like that but I'm too sleepy and phone posting to check right now. It's probably NAI, maybe slightly scum sided cos once i mentioned it she could play it up to look like that game.
You got any reads from her or the surrounding interactions? I'm getting a bit of a tonal town read from EchoVision, and I'm curious how Alch responds now there are votes there.
No, not really. If anything I think your interaction with tris looked natural, probably no svs at least. It's more an gut impression.
Slighly scum cos paranoia. I was thinking she could play it up to try and get me on side. Thinking about it more I'm not sure that makes sense. It basically involves tanking your cred in a way that even if it does get you town read (and she has past experience of that not being the case) doesn't mean town is gonna listen to you, and I'm not sure of the motivation for scum to do that so early into the game.
I do think it looks more extreme here, it's taking her longer to get around to making cases on other players - in that game she picked up pretty early after she got pressure on feeling that another player was getting off lighter than her for the same sort of behaviour.- tris
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what? i was never criticizing you, i was just making a comparison of how what i was being attacked for was similar to what you also did. I don't think it was scummy for you not to have made a serious vote at that point. you said you were tired, which is not the best time to try to make reads. it was the same for me. and, i also never said you shouldn't have tried to defend me. i feel like i'm missing something hereIn post 291, Mizzytastic wrote:I like 79. Being aware of your biases in a way that makes you less likely to push someone seems town motivated.
OK tris, I promise to make a serious vote when I've caught up. I won't bring up previous games in future and just let you do stuff that people read as scummy without context.- tris
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oh, i guess you weren't all caught up in that earlier postIn post 292, Mizzytastic wrote: First tris read and I like it.- tris
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But the weren't even in the game yet! It's not lurking if you forgot about the game entirely! this is stupidIn post 320, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I don’t feel like my concerns have been fully addressedIn post 310, Alchemist21 wrote:
Ok but is there a reason you’re still choosing Ico at this point?In post 271, Gamma Emerald wrote:I don’t only vote if I’m highly confident about a read. That’s the common course on my homesite, but I’ve played so much here vs. over there that I’m more inclined to apply my vote in aims of sorting people.
Icon also started posting in Kids With Lungs in response to pressure D2, so I don’t think becoming more active in response to pressure here is particularly Town-indicative. I think you probably took your vote off too early.- tris
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like what concerns? it looked like you were just voting there because it hadn't posted. what do you expect iconeum to address now?In post 320, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I don’t feel like my concerns have been fully addressedIn post 310, Alchemist21 wrote:
Ok but is there a reason you’re still choosing Ico at this point?In post 271, Gamma Emerald wrote:I don’t only vote if I’m highly confident about a read. That’s the common course on my homesite, but I’ve played so much here vs. over there that I’m more inclined to apply my vote in aims of sorting people.- tris
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i'm confused by this answer. how has it been fine? i thought you liked nero's case.In post 351, SirCakez wrote:
Fine? It's sitting on ico which is whatever.In post 350, Gamma Emerald wrote:I do have one question, though
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