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Elaborate.In post 31, tris wrote:
it's the posts you made.In post 21, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Okay how thoIn post 19, tris wrote:because that's the side i've chosen. it's the scummiest side
I was okay with you voting me but saying my side is “the scummiest” is a massive reach- Alchemist21
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Nero confirmed playing on 2 accounts.In post 42, Datisi wrote:
i don't remember speaking to you...?In post 40, Nero Cain wrote:
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I think it’s the kind of wagon that forms on people who screw around and people don’t get the joke. Tris’s behavior is probably more likely Town than scum. Will look closer at the voters when I’m not tired; right now all that stands out is the one person voting them 4 times.In post 108, Testarossa wrote:
Yeah. So what do you think of the wagon on tris? Are you town/null on tris and do you think the tris voters are legit with their votes? Why don't you want to go there?In post 78, Alchemist21 wrote:
Nah, don’t think I will.In post 76, EchoVision wrote:alc vote tris with us- Alchemist21
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I think it’s his schtick.In post 125, Testarossa wrote:
What does it mean to you that he is always voting tris again?In post 112, Alchemist21 wrote: I think it’s the kind of wagon that forms on people who screw around and people don’t get the joke. Tris’s behavior is probably more likely Town than scum. Will look closer at the voters when I’m not tired; right now all that stands out is the one person voting them 4 times.- Alchemist21
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Not really. Your early play is the kind that I would expect to get votes.In post 137, tris wrote:
do you have anything to say about any of the other voters then?In post 129, Alchemist21 wrote:
I think it’s his schtick.In post 125, Testarossa wrote:
What does it mean to you that he is always voting tris again?In post 112, Alchemist21 wrote: I think it’s the kind of wagon that forms on people who screw around and people don’t get the joke. Tris’s behavior is probably more likely Town than scum. Will look closer at the voters when I’m not tired; right now all that stands out is the one person voting them 4 times.- Alchemist21
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You agree with my read but it doesn’t sound like your reason is the same, so what are you Townreading from Tris? Can you elaborate on why you Townread 89In post 122, Egix96 wrote:
I wouldn't really say that's what Tris was doing though, more like... flopping? Idk, I'm reluctant to call it flailing since I agree with your second sentence. If anything, it's Echo who was mucking about by spamvoting her.In post 112, Alchemist21 wrote:
I think it’s the kind of wagon that forms on people whoIn post 108, Testarossa wrote:
Yeah. So what do you think of the wagon on tris? Are you town/null on tris and do you think the tris voters are legit with their votes? Why don't you want to go there?In post 78, Alchemist21 wrote:
Nah, don’t think I will.In post 76, EchoVision wrote:alc vote tris with usscrew aroundand people don’t get the joke. Tris’s behavior is probably more likely Town than scum. Will look closer at the voters when I’m not tired; right now all that stands out is the one person voting them 4 times.- Alchemist21
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Ok the game I was thinking of they were Town. If there was another game I can’t remember which one. Their posts there average out to only 2 or 3 each rl day but they did post a lot at the start.
The game I’m referencing: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=79422
Yeah I think this is a good first wagon.
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Did you actually read the part of my post where I said Iconeum posted a lot at the start of the Town game?In post 164, tris wrote:iconeum was inactive as town- Alchemist21
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It's a good place to start.In post 165, SirCakez wrote:Starting a wagon on a player who is MIA nice- Alchemist21
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In post 176, Iconeum wrote:
which game was that?In post 159, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I think I just had a game with scum him where he was rather quiet until pressed on itIn post 141, Alchemist21 wrote:^Does Iconeum usually lurk as scum? Or is that just a general lurkadurp scumread?
He says he has weekend V/LA but it's not the weekend so that's not an excuse rn
i do have standing weekend vla's, but that's only saturday and sundays
i'm so ashamed...
Do you seriously have a problem with people trying to get meta on you?In post 177, EchoVision wrote:
don't meta dive meIn post 147, tris wrote:it looks like echo did this in his last game as well
if i wasn't already voting you i'd vote you just for that
Unrelated but I see Ico’s posting now so I’ll unvote.
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How often does that actually work out for you instead of you just getting voted out.In post 181, EchoVision wrote:if i start out by playing like a dip shit then i don't have to explain myself to people which is significantly less work for me a- Alchemist21
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You’re misreading it. See my post to Tris before you got here.In post 183, Iconeum wrote:VOTE: alchemist
what's AI about me not being here?
i don't get the 'low post' reference, because i wasn't low posting
and then you reference a game where i low posted, but was town and conclude i'm probs scum here then?
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See Gamma knows what’s up.In post 201, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Or we can vote you out for deliberately obfuscating your motivesIn post 181, EchoVision wrote:
if i start out by playing like a dip shit then i don't have to explain myself to people which is significantly less work for me and it's so fantasticIn post 158, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I was joking about it because I wanted to move past itIn post 134, Nero Cain wrote:
11 sorta makes me think this wasn't a joke.In post 104, Gamma Emerald wrote:but here I just felt like making a joke about it.
but also
you aren't using your words so either you are scum that's pretending like they are doing things by throwing down a forceful naked vote or you are massively unhelpful town.
And like, I was trying to pressure EV to not be rando but that didn't work it seems
still feel like voting there since I don't really know why EV is doing what he's doing and it's not a thing that I can see waved away by a "weird =/= scum" line
i can just read the thread and have some fun by extending my self-rvs until i find something to bite on- Alchemist21
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Not really sure that’s a good reason to be Townreading someone.In post 209, Egix96 wrote:I was thinking that scum wouldn't forget that they hadn't moved their vote.- Alchemist21
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Define uncommitted here because I don’t know what you mean by that.In post 215, Iconeum wrote:and uncommitted- Alchemist21
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Never apologize for correcting someone’s math.In post 243, Datisi wrote:
actually this is even worse math because odds aren't the same for two people because odds multiply but asjdks mathIn post 240, EchoVision wrote:there's a 75% chance that the two i named town are town and those are some pretty good odds- Alchemist21
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Ok but is there a reason you’re still choosing Ico at this point?In post 271, Gamma Emerald wrote:I don’t only vote if I’m highly confident about a read. That’s the common course on my homesite, but I’ve played so much here vs. over there that I’m more inclined to apply my vote in aims of sorting people.- Alchemist21
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I think everyone is getting that vibe from Echo. At least 3 people have called him on his playstyle.In post 278, SirCakez wrote:Anybody think Echo is leaning on their playstyle here to avoid actually scumhunting- Alchemist21
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I’m actually liking Gamma and Nero both for Town. I think this is the Nero/Gamma clash we were warned about.In post 279, SirCakez wrote:Liking Nero here this Gamma push is good- Alchemist21
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I started a new job Tuesday that keeps me busy. Tonight and this weekend will be the first time I’ve been able to really put in more effort.In post 292, Mizzytastic wrote:Is alch even trying?
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Thinking Ico is more Towny than not. I’m liking most of their posts about Gamma but I kinda need them to explain 215 a bit more.In post 315, SirCakez wrote:Alch has your Icon opinion changed now that he's here?- Alchemist21
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No it’s not. I’m not in love with Cakez’ posts but saying he hasn’t said anything unique is just false.In post 407, EchoVision wrote:
wow this is your first unique statement all game good shit brother manIn post 400, SirCakez wrote:I disagree that Echo has really gotten better; I think he's actually started playing because of pressure- Alchemist21
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There are 2 days left. I don’t think a wagon that isn’t already a large one is going to happen. What makes you think Egix is more viable than Gamma?
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Maybe this is answered already (I’m behind and reading through) but why does Skitter’s replace in affect your thoughts on Gamma?In post 638, Datisi wrote:i like my vote on echo
at some point i was thinking about switching to gamma but after skitter rep-in i'm kinda eh on that now
still would switch there if needed
also my inner pessimism is starting to say that gamma/echo are probably t/t and it doesn't really matter
no i don't have anything rational to back that up with- Alchemist21
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Disagree on this. Townies should want to survive and not get voted out because they’re confTown to themselves.In post 644, skitter30 wrote:so the thing is that i fundementally dont believe survivalism to be a town-indicative trait, but it is fairly correlated with being scum imo- Alchemist21
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I still don’t think Gamma’s scum but what you’re saying makes sense.In post 650, Iconeum wrote:
I believe that survivalism is a NAI trait. At least, I know I do that from both allignments. And from a basic thoughts level: town!gamma knows he's town, so his flip is Always 'the wrong one'. As for Echo, he can't know.In post 644, skitter30 wrote:
A) so the thing is that i fundementally dont believe survivalism to be a town-indicative trait, but it is fairly correlated with being scum imoIn post 621, Iconeum wrote:i disagree with the assessment here, because survivalistic town would also not be making that vote. I'd argue that it's more scum!indicative then town, and that it gives + scum equity to the cw as scum are more likely to not be counter-voting on partners.
B) so yu're saying you see gamma/echo as svs? Or am i misunderstanding the second bit?
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Ok I understand what you’re saying.In post 714, Datisi wrote:
it is half-answered, and it is very weird to explainIn post 711, Alchemist21 wrote:Maybe this is answered already (I’m behind and reading through) but why does Skitter’s replace in affect your thoughts on Gamma?
like historically, whenever i was t/t with skitter, our reads were very different, and i wanted to murder her. the only time i was town with her being scum, i *didn't* want to murder her. now, with her replace in here, our reads were/are very different, and i slightly feel the urge to murder her. which is making me think she might be town.
you following? ok.
whenever we were t/t and had differing reads, hers always turned out to be much more correct than mine. that is giving me pause on gamma. though i would probably still execute gamma anyway. though it realistically doesn't really matter because the wagon is pretty dead.- Alchemist21
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I’ve been told I’m a man of few words.In post 763, Nero Cain wrote:Why are you guys voting without words?
But seriously, I think Cakez is scum because he keeps hedging on slots and making soft pushes. Remember early game when he started to push me and just dropped it for no apparent reason? He was kinda everywhere with echo; I remember him calling echo out for backpedaling but at the end of the day was voting Gamma anyway.- Alchemist21
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It’s the first thing from Testa I don’t really understand either. I’m Townreading Gamma and I don’t get how their alignments are necessarily tied.In post 794, Nero Cain wrote:not really in love with the Tris=town if Gamma is town. Kinda makes worry that its a tris/test team and she's trying to get her buddy town read by sacrificing a town Gamma.
but then I think Gamma is scum so...idk.
@Testarossa, Do you usually play on Mafiascum or on another site?
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How much of your play is still based on how things worked on that other site? What you’re saying about how the early wagons played out would be more reasonable for a game that had 24-48 hour deadlines but not really for these longer MS deadlines.In post 811, Testarossa wrote:
Right now only here, you could consider me kind of as "newbie" to this site I think.In post 797, Alchemist21 wrote:@Testarossa, Do you usually play on Mafiascum or on another site?
I know that question seems random but I assure you it has relevance.
Used to play a lot on another site, but well, that was 7-8 years ago.- Alchemist21
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In post 831, SirCakez wrote:
this is kind of a lame defense Nero. It's pretty obvious that you want to elim Skitter so ofc you wouldn't NK her.In post 828, Nero Cain wrote:nka is wishy washy but w/e. How come I kill the guy that was only very lightly scumreading me as opposed to the girl thats tunneling me? (Skitter)
“Rebuttal”In post 830, SirCakez wrote:mmmmk I see you Alch ignoring my rebuttal to your "push"- Alchemist21
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At first it was because I didn’t have any stronger reads. By end of day the read on Echo strengthened because I thought he was trying to fake his emotional reaction to his own wagon. He would flip between giving a shit and not giving a shit in a way that seemed like it bothered him but he wanted to act like it didn’t. It all just seemed like a song and dance to me.In post 839, Testarossa wrote:
Maybe, old habits die hard after all. I mean I would let that apply on my take on Una, fine.In post 814, Alchemist21 wrote: How much of your play is still based on how things worked on that other site? What you’re saying about how the early wagons played out would be more reasonable for a game that had 24-48 hour deadlines but not really for these longer MS deadlines.
I don't think it doesn't matter too much with looking at your wagon. My impression of you, solely based on this game so far, is that you wouldn't seem to be the kind of character who wouldn't mind being in the center of attention as scum and those often respond even to an early wagon in some kind of way.
My problem with you lies not mainly in this though. You were early able to correctly understand Echo's odd behaviour as "his schtick". Somewhat similar case with tris, where you came around thinking of it as town. When you dropped your vote on Echo I could imagine you were thinking it was for avoiding scumhunting with it or too much anti-town play for your liking by that point. But later? You only object to his take on Cakez that Cakez wouldn't have said anything unique. Otherwise no reaction to Echo's reads nor his suspicions (you were even one of them), which looks odd if him avoiding scumhunting was one of your major concerns. Why were you fine with leaving your vote on Echo?- Alchemist21
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Not much. People are hardly there. Skitter and I talked about her read on me a bit, Unah talked some about his Testa/Cakez reads.In post 984, Nero Cain wrote:like, what else has been going on in there?- Alchemist21
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Mizzy was barely ever there. Skitter actually had a lot to say about me.In post 1040, Testarossa wrote:Most of skitter's read are somewhat similar to Mizzy's reads... more or less at least.
Una, were there any interactions between Mizzy and Alch in the hood with Mizzy trying to sort Alch? Did skitter say anything noteworthy in your opinion? Don't tell me your guys' hood is really that uninteresting.- Alchemist21
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I’m generally against outing role info and was hoping we might have an all-Town hood that could work like a Masonry.In post 1122, Testarossa wrote:
Why was Alch against revealing the hood?In post 1112, UnaBombaH wrote:I'm also not sure if it means anything, but I think me and skitter both were discussing revealing the hood as early as D1, and Alch was the one who didn't want to do it.
That's why I threw that comment at Nero about both of my neighbors never being scum together.
Not sure if it means anything, just throwing out anything and everything I can think of.
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I agree with the End of Day posts yesterday that said Testa had a bad progression on their vote.
I haven’t seen anything particularly scummy from Egix but they might be the scum I’m sleeping on.
NM could go either way but if it’s not him then it’s probably Tris unless I’ve just been horribly wrong on Gamma and in that case Nero is going to beat me up post-game.
Ico and Unah are the only ones I’m comfortable calling Town here.- Alchemist21
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