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Tbf, I would much rather have that than have the game be boring.In post 74, EchoVision wrote:yall are tryin too hard too early zzzzzzzzz- Egix96
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Why though? I'm actually getting town feels from 89 .
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It was a joke? I find that surprising.In post 104, Gamma Emerald wrote:
My memory is I pushed you to try to look townier but it ended up being a super helpful distancing play because everyone ended up thinking I wouldn't do that sort of tunnel to a scumbuddy. And in that other game (the 40p D&D theme game) I did use it as a way to try to deflect your read on me, but here I just felt like making a joke about it. I think the fact you're picking up these sorts of things is actually a point in favor of you being town rn.In post 88, Nero Cain wrote:
oh, that game. I vaguely remember you being under a decent amount of suspicion and me, not so much. So you distanced from our slot as either a game strategy or as an attempt to make yourself look better. I also remember you as scum in another game that brought that game (coalition) as some form of proof for why you always find me scummy or something.In post 79, Gamma Emerald wrote:Well, we were both scum in that game, and you were in a hydra. I pushed posts made by you and your hydra partner and I got heated until I realized the posts were yours
In post 8, Gamma Emerald wrote:We’re going to 1v1, let’s get it out of the way nowSo you are basically arguing the same thing here, no? Did you vote me so when I called bullshit on you you could argue that I'm "OMGUS" scum reading you? b/c that's what it sorta seems like.
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I wouldn't really say that's what Tris was doing though, more like... flopping? Idk, I'm reluctant to call it flailing since I agree with your second sentence. If anything, it's Echo who was mucking about by spamvoting her.In post 112, Alchemist21 wrote:
I think it’s the kind of wagon that forms on people whoIn post 108, Testarossa wrote:
Yeah. So what do you think of the wagon on tris? Are you town/null on tris and do you think the tris voters are legit with their votes? Why don't you want to go there?In post 78, Alchemist21 wrote:
Nah, don’t think I will.In post 76, EchoVision wrote:alc vote tris with usscrew aroundand people don’t get the joke. Tris’s behavior is probably more likely Town than scum. Will look closer at the voters when I’m not tired; right now all that stands out is the one person voting them 4 times.- Egix96
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Sure, why not?In post 128, Testarossa wrote:
Good to see you are also thinking of tris as town (as I do). Can I interest you in voting Alch or where do you have your head at rn?In post 122, Egix96 wrote: I wouldn't really say that's what Tris was doing though, more like... flopping? Idk, I'm reluctant to call it flailing since I agree with your second sentence. If anything, it's Echo who was mucking about by spamvoting her.
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???In post 124, UnaBombaH wrote:If you are the one who does the choking, isn't it as likely to be a bad thing for you, as it is for someone else?
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I was thinking that scum wouldn't forget that they hadn't moved their vote.In post 155, Alchemist21 wrote:
You agree with my read but it doesn’t sound like your reason is the same, so what are you Townreading from Tris? Can you elaborate on why you Townread 89In post 122, Egix96 wrote:
I wouldn't really say that's what Tris was doing though, more like... flopping? Idk, I'm reluctant to call it flailing since I agree with your second sentence. If anything, it's Echo who was mucking about by spamvoting her.In post 112, Alchemist21 wrote:
I think it’s the kind of wagon that forms on people whoIn post 108, Testarossa wrote:
Yeah. So what do you think of the wagon on tris? Are you town/null on tris and do you think the tris voters are legit with their votes? Why don't you want to go there?In post 78, Alchemist21 wrote:
Nah, don’t think I will.In post 76, EchoVision wrote:alc vote tris with usscrew aroundand people don’t get the joke. Tris’s behavior is probably more likely Town than scum. Will look closer at the voters when I’m not tired; right now all that stands out is the one person voting them 4 times.- Egix96
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That seems like it would be a luxury for scum, so how does it serve you as town?In post 181, EchoVision wrote:
if i start out by playing like a dip shit thenIn post 158, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I was joking about it because I wanted to move past itIn post 134, Nero Cain wrote:
11 sorta makes me think this wasn't a joke.In post 104, Gamma Emerald wrote:but here I just felt like making a joke about it.
but also
you aren't using your words so either you are scum that's pretending like they are doing things by throwing down a forceful naked vote or you are massively unhelpful town.
And like, I was trying to pressure EV to not be rando but that didn't work it seems
still feel like voting there since I don't really know why EV is doing what he's doing and it's not a thing that I can see waved away by a "weird =/= scum" linei don't have to explain myself to peoplewhich is significantly less work for me and it's so fantastic
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So you're just... fine with being misyeeted, if town?In post 234, EchoVision wrote:
you couldIn post 201, Gamma Emerald wrote: Or we can vote you out for deliberately obfuscating your motives
feel free to if you really think that's the best course of action for day 1
Yeah, but they still have to pretend that they don't.In post 249, Gamma Emerald wrote:Scum would know the amount of scum right?- Egix96
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But from your perspective, that's what scum want, and you ideally shouldn't want to die.In post 331, EchoVision wrote:
if the town collectively finds that to be the best course of action sure why notIn post 275, Egix96 wrote:
So you're just... fine with being misyeeted, if town?In post 234, EchoVision wrote:
you couldIn post 201, Gamma Emerald wrote: Or we can vote you out for deliberately obfuscating your motives
feel free to if you really think that's the best course of action for day 1
vote analysis is a thing too
Why? You don't seem to have said anything about or to her prior to this point.
Really? There are three votes on you though, how does that not count?In post 340, EchoVision wrote: also y’all seem like you universally scum read me and the fact that there’s not a wagon on me yet kind of concerns me
i’m about to get in the shower so i’m on mobile but i do want to go back and examine the people who tried to call me out but haven’t voted me
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Understandably not for a strong read, but that post did ring as genuine to me.In post 307, Alchemist21 wrote:
Not really sure that’s a good reason to be Townreading someone.In post 209, Egix96 wrote:I was thinking that scum wouldn't forget that they hadn't moved their vote.- Egix96
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Not really aorn, but I'll have a go at rereading the thread tomorrow.In post 379, tris wrote:Egix, do you have anything to say about anyone other than echo and nero?- Egix96
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Is it really a matter of hatred though? I've touched on before how his play serves scum more than town.In post 382, tris wrote:i think echo is more likely town. just because you hate his playstyle, doesn't make him mafia. and he's stopped being like that, and is actually contributing now. and, i like what he has said in that time. it seems like townie thoughts.
*Jontron voice* Nahhh it's prolly nothin'.In post 393, Datisi wrote:ok it's past midnihgt and i'm dead and i don't have anything intelligent to offer (i will get to that tomorrow i *promise*) however i wanna share the tinfoil cracktheory becaue i once again don't think i could sleep without sharing it this game day
i keep going between "this is dumb as shit" and "this is REALLY dumb as shit" in my head but whatever
please imagine the guy pointing at butterfly meme
In post 251, Nero Cain wrote:Also there are only 2 scum but thats besides the point.
is this a traitor?In post 259, Nero Cain wrote:I'm clearly scum that slipped.
Serious answer: Not Really dumb, just... dumb.
*Faints*In post 395, EchoVision wrote:
absolutely no reason i just felt like itIn post 392, tris wrote:
i do actually want to know this thoughIn post 389, Datisi wrote: echovision why are you voting testa i wanna know- Egix96
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Not usually as purposefully as that though, if you ask me.In post 448, tris wrote:assuming that's true, town can act in anti-town ways.- Egix96
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Admittedly I'm not sure how you expect me to be able to answer that, but I will say that the last time I played in a game with Echo, he practically crumbled as soon as a wagon formed on him. The disappointing thing was that he was actually town that time...In post 454, Testarossa wrote:
Why do you think he acts like that as scum though, even doubling down on it when the wagon on him is already at E-2? I have seen Nero's take on it, but I find it hard to believe since he was already acting like that before Gamma got wagoned.In post 450, Egix96 wrote: Not usually as purposefully as that though, if you ask me.
Hmmmmmmmm. With how slow the game's been progressing, I've been finding it hard to stay engaged.In post 455, Testarossa wrote:Someone got a more solid read on Egix? He kind of moved down to the scum side with his recent posts as they feel kind of fluffy with being here without actually doing/saying much. Plus he seems mostly focussed on Echo, not really looking elsewhere.
Still, a couple things I'd like to note while I have the chance:
- Mizzy feels like she's just... "there" this game, even though I can understand why she's not posting more. It's just that I've found what posts she has made so far to not be very impactful.
- I'm not really getting the whole "parroting" thing with Cakez. To me it just seems like he has that thing where you don't really know how you feel until someone else says something that inspires you. (This is something I tend to experience, personally.)- Egix96
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This post is... mehhh.In post 508, SirCakez wrote:
Two days is definitely enough time to start a new wagon. If a few people switch usually it snowballs.In post 505, Alchemist21 wrote:There are 2 days left. I don’t think a wagon that isn’t already a large one is going to happen. What makes you think Egix is more viable than Gamma?
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Newbie 1911, iirc.In post 482, EchoVision wrote:
when did you play a game with me? i don't remember your name sorry boo bearIn post 477, Egix96 wrote:
Admittedly I'm not sure how you expect me to be able to answer that, but I will say that the last time I played in a game with Echo, he practically crumbled as soon as a wagon formed on him. The disappointing thing was that he was actually town that time...In post 454, Testarossa wrote:
Why do you think he acts like that as scum though, even doubling down on it when the wagon on him is already at E-2? I have seen Nero's take on it, but I find it hard to believe since he was already acting like that before Gamma got wagoned.In post 450, Egix96 wrote: Not usually as purposefully as that though, if you ask me.
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What I didn't like about it was that it seemed like you were just giving advice rather than taking a stance of your own.In post 560, SirCakez wrote:I'd be all for it, cuz you calling a post where I say a speedwagon on you is achievable "meh" kinda reeks. And I haven't been crazy about any of your other content.- Egix96
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I'm feeling the same way.In post 718, Datisi wrote:i don't want to vote [skitter] out on day one when it's gonna be a flash execution.- Egix96
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Echo had Bomba locked in as town, so I wouldn't want to go there today.In post 792, SirCakez wrote:I still really think certain players (una, egix, testa) are being overlooked. I don't think it's as easy as (Alch, Gamma, Skitter).
Testa I'm kinda undecided on though. Some thoughts:
108 - I like that Testa goes more in-depth when questioning here - it's much more than a simple "why not?"
110 - If she already has an idea what Bomba is thinking, then why bother asking? This feels a bit forced.
127 - Scum probably wouldn't bother with questioning the TR here - Datisi's read seems unobtrusive (idk if that's the word I'm looking for) enough that scum could easily accept it silently.
397 - "[Echo's] take on his wagon (and votes) is imo spot on and I pretty much agree with both his reads on Alch and Nero." - Ehh my gut actually says this could have been a grab for towncred. Word choices used ring as kinda pockety.- Egix96
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In post 575, tris wrote:
actually nvm on this. i don't think he's playing like scumIn post 571, tris wrote:i've actually been a less impressed with echo though, so maybe i should switch there.In post 619, tris wrote:
oof. i think you're right. i noticed it earlier, but i didn't want to give up on my scumread, but it's actually a strong piece of evidence UNVOTE:In post 588, skitter30 wrote:
while this is, like, wrong, it's also a bonkers vote for scum to be making in this gamestateIn post 563, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: skitter
Think she's trying to position herself tactically here
(namely: he's currently the leading wagon. and is following his cw onto a vanity wagon that is extremely unlikely to get traction in the next (i think) 17 hours or whatever it is. survivalistic scum don't really make this vote)Was there actually anything to make you think that Echo was scum though? Your progression here seems kinda whack.
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That was my current read. If I had to guess though, mayyybe scum?In post 806, SirCakez wrote:After your read-through what is your read on Testa?- Egix96
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I mean, I get it if you were voting Echo purely to avert a Gamma yeet, but I'm just a bit surprised that skitt's post there was enough to make you flip your read on Gamma.In post 807, Egix96 wrote:Your progression here seems kinda whack.- Egix96
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It's because, in various games I've spectated, there seems to be this sort of archetype of the scum player who makes a good first impression, but looks a bt murkier beneath the surface.In post 842, Testarossa wrote:
If I go by your post about me it looks like you were indecisive, you kind of listed two pro-town points and two pro-scum points. What is in your opinion tipping the balance to the scum side?In post 808, Egix96 wrote: That was my current read. If I had to guess though, mayyybe scum?
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Yes. Also, my top two town rn are Icon and Nero.In post 919, Testarossa wrote:Egix, where is your head at rn? You just have tris and me as suspicions?
Independent of that, can you explain your current read on skitter slot?
I haven't yet got around to examining skitter's posts, though I didn't get any strong feelings from just seeing her posts while catching up before.
This is the part where I was about to say "so yeah, she's still pretty much null" but then I remembered about not wanting to yeet her D1, but that's because I was more confident in an Echo scum flip and also not wanting to risk a D1 yeet on someone I consider to be a strong player.- Egix96
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Huh.In post 925, UnaBombaH wrote:I'm thinking egix might be my top townread now that Datisi is unfortunately gone.
That's... even though I'm not really all that into this game, if I dare say so myself?- Egix96
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For you it's mainly that I find this:In post 928, Iconeum wrote:
huhIn post 926, Egix96 wrote:Yes. Also, my top two town rn are Icon and Nero.
i don't think nero and myself are townreading each other that much
why are you?
... hard to see coming from scum given the context (you had been confbiasing strongly on Echo during your catchup that day).In post 416, Iconeum wrote:i agree with SiroftheCakez that EV has been more active in general because of pressure, but i kinda disagree that it didn't get better
actually was liking EV posts some more lately, but the general conclusions still seem off. Mostly about what I quoted wrt datisi.
As for Nero, it's mostly a vibes thing, he just generally feels towny to me *shrug*- Egix96
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In post 772, Gamma Emerald wrote:based on how skitter came in I'd guess some under the radar players, to throw out some names maybe unah and testa?
Was 725 no longer a factor for you when you wrote these? If so, why not?In post 774, Gamma Emerald wrote:
tbh I sus this postIn post 764, UnaBombaH wrote:Yea, that was a nice day end.
Didn't even realize we were so close to deadline then.
Gonna start this day by checking Datisi last reads - I feel like they were probably on the right track.- Egix96
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Well that would explain this.In post 924, UnaBombaH wrote:
Yes, and that's literally all I'm saying.In post 918, Testarossa wrote:Una, I think you mentioned somewhere that Alch and skitter slot are never scum together.
I can actually see either of the two aspotential scumsters- not necessarily my own scumreads as of right now though - but they are never scum together.
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It's that you seem to be showing a "You're rustled because I'm on to you" mentality which I would normally associate with scum trying to look like town that's trying to intimidate the scum (because town usually don't really do that).In post 961, SirCakez wrote:
What is that?In post 942, Egix96 wrote:"You're only pulling this out because you're mad I'm agreeing with Nero"
"you calling a post where I say a speedwagon on you is achievable "meh" kinda reeks."
"And you're just calling me scum because you know I'm right so you want to discredit me."
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Sry, but I was doing all that in a plain text editor and it was getting late, so I didn't want to spend ages adding in (post) tags everywhere after copy-pasting.In post 943, Nero Cain wrote:i kinda hate when ppl list the quote numbers but don't link to the posts or actually quote the post.- Egix96
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It's just that, ime, scum don't normally show that much willingness to re-evaluate when tunnelling on people. They feel like they have to get that misyeet through.In post 947, tris wrote:
for that? i don't see it. i townread iconeum for other reasons. namely, his interactions with unaIn post 935, Egix96 wrote:
For you it's mainly that I find this:In post 928, Iconeum wrote:
huhIn post 926, Egix96 wrote:Yes. Also, my top two town rn are Icon and Nero.
i don't think nero and myself are townreading each other that much
why are you?
... hard to see coming from scum given the context (you had been confbiasing strongly on Echo during your catchup that day).In post 416, Iconeum wrote:i agree with SiroftheCakez that EV has been more active in general because of pressure, but i kinda disagree that it didn't get better
actually was liking EV posts some more lately, but the general conclusions still seem off. Mostly about what I quoted wrt datisi.
Technically possible, but unlikely. Fwiw, when I was a neighbour in a normal game, the hood was 1S2T.In post 949, tris wrote:
ooooh! but, is that true? there could be two scum in a neighborhood right?In post 941, Egix96 wrote:
Well that would explain this.In post 924, UnaBombaH wrote:
Yes, and that's literally all I'm saying.In post 918, Testarossa wrote:Una, I think you mentioned somewhere that Alch and skitter slot are never scum together.
I can actually see either of the two aspotential scumsters- not necessarily my own scumreads as of right now though - but they are never scum together.
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I don't think you're pushing on scum, no. I'm thinking that Gamma is slight town overall, and Bomba does seem probtown to me based on a quick skim.In post 972, SirCakez wrote:Do you think I'm wrong?- Egix96
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Because I deemed it to be NAI rather than a towntell. I haven't seen how scum!Echo plays in order to make a contrast there.In post 988, tris wrote:
i think i pointed this out before. why would you wagon him this time if this was the case? And, still be voting for himIn post 477, Egix96 wrote:
Admittedly I'm not sure how you expect me to be able to answer that, but I will say that the last time I played in a game with Echo, he practically crumbled as soon as a wagon formed on him. The disappointing thing was that he was actually town that time...In post 454, Testarossa wrote:
Why do you think he acts like that as scum though, even doubling down on it when the wagon on him is already at E-2? I have seen Nero's take on it, but I find it hard to believe since he was already acting like that before Gamma got wagoned.In post 450, Egix96 wrote: Not usually as purposefully as that though, if you ask me.- Egix96
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AgreedIn post 1077, SirCakez wrote:In post 1061, Testarossa wrote:Uggghhh, I figure because of weekend there is hardly anyone around here?
I am probably at Alch > NM > Cakez.
I hate that Cakez wagon, even although I am townreading tris, it's almost the same as the Echo wagon. I just accept that Alch is at this point a lost cause and he will get away again with low effort. NM wagon isn't looking to go through either, because he is even selfvoting and I doubt he will see his own exe through.
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VOTE: Not_MafiaIn post 1062, Testarossa wrote:I am going to sleep in 1-2 hours, if there is no one else willing to go for NM I will put Cakez at E-1 as the next time I can be around is literally minutes before deadline.
Fucking terrible progressionIn post 1063, Testarossa wrote:Both Cakez and NM were posting elsewhere recently...
Can't hold out any longer. Sorry if you are town, Cakez.
VOTE: SirCakez
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Me.In post 1193, Gamma Emerald wrote:who else was scumreading testa? I know I had her as potential scum, did anyone else?
I'm curious to see what their new reads end up being- Egix96
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Okay, so excluding myself and the IC, we have:In post 1206, tris wrote:
fascinating. do you have anything else to share?In post 1197, Egix96 wrote:
Me.In post 1193, Gamma Emerald wrote:who else was scumreading testa? I know I had her as potential scum, did anyone else?
I'm curious to see what their new reads end up being
{Alchemist, NM, Bomba} - I think it's fair to assume that this neighbourhood is 2t1s, since I agree 2s1t is unlikely due to the daytalk thing and I don't think there's room in this gamestate for the hood to be 3t. I think that Bomba is the towniest in this group, with the scum being a tossup between the other two (aorn I'm like 51% NM 49% Alch, I oughta reread here).
{Ico, tris} - I'm doubting that these two are t/t since having 5 TPRs (not counting neighbours) in a game with only 12 players total seems like overkill to me. I'm leaning towards tris being the s, this is about 75/25.
That leaves Gamma, whose alignment I guess hinges on whether there are two or three scum?- Egix96
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Why should I vote Alch over NM? (Don't just say "cos he's your buddy")In post 1243, tris wrote:can we do alchemist?- Egix96
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I didn't actually get around to doing that, sorry. Too much procrastination over the weekend.In post 1253, Testarossa wrote:
Why did NM came up on top after your reread?In post 1246, Egix96 wrote:
Why should I vote Alch over NM? (Don't just say "cos he's your buddy")In post 1243, tris wrote:can we do alchemist?
My gut is just leaning more that way now ¯\_(ツ)_/¯- Egix96
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Looks like you thought your kill hadn't gone through for a moment thereIn post 1275, tris wrote:huh?
VOTE: Tris
I was Occam's Razoring that whole wagon as being town once I saw the Alch flip, though ofc you had to take the safe kill while knowing that me knowing the team wouldn't matter.- Egix96
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You and Gamma ofc.In post 1282, tris wrote:
no, i was just wondering why the thread was being unlocked without anything further said.In post 1281, Egix96 wrote:
Looks like you thought your kill hadn't gone through for a moment thereIn post 1275, tris wrote:huh?
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I was Occam's Razoring that whole wagon as being town once I saw the Alch flip, though ofc you had to take the safe kill while knowing that me knowing the team wouldn't matter.
who's the team?- Egix96
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If you'll forgive my self-awareness, yes, I likely would have made the same post as scum.In post 1303, Testarossa wrote:The way Egix came in this day looks to me like a scum opening tbh.
I'm basing it on the benchmark of a mountainous 11er (9VT, 2 MG). Add an extra townie, turn some of the VTs into power roles... it would make sense to also convert one of them into an extra mafia to compensate, yeah?In post 1307, Testarossa wrote:I also think Egix should explain why he thinks this setup has three scum and how a Alch/tris/Gamma team works.
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No, if that were the case, wouldn't they have just killed you? Shooting Ico was the safe play if they had any doubt as to whether he'd already jailed.In post 1329, Testarossa wrote:My problem with a 3p scum team is the way how D3 went down. If it would have been mylo they could have just won yesterday,the Ico kill proves that they weren't afraid of an eventual jk shot. In fact it was foolproof because Ico was townreading tris anyway and believed that the Commuter claim is town.
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