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[NorwegianboyEE]

14 days? Lol.

Wow

Impatient? We can end the day quicker by voting someone out.
VOTE: Guillotina

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Guillotina

Looks like a new player pretending to be experienced

I think you mean the other way around

Yeah. That guy's account has gotten alt written all over it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Just make a couple more posts IV, 4 more and you'll upgrade your title from Mafia scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok i gave this guy a second look and i do believe he might be an real person. Not an chatbot designed to pose as a human, neither an experienced player testing out an new alt playstyle.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm aware im an easy kill for wolves now but who gives, i'll just play these 14 days like they will be my only ones in this game.

But how do you know that to be the case? Are you one of those players that thinks they are so good at the game that their kill takes precedence over everything?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh dear me...

[NorwegianboyEE]

I won't just take your word for it Guillotina. I'll believe it if i see it.

@Muh316 What made you think they were a new player pretending to be experienced?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think they could very well be honest about the ascetic part of their role, but the claim itself i do not find town indicative. So claim itself is treated as null from me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

IV did you try to pocket me when you were scum in our previous mini?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah cus you’re acting with a bit more caution here so that gives me slightly better vibes.
Although 2 times you’ve already screwed me so i’m treating you with awe for now. Like an dangerous tamed python.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah, i’m trying to pocket you as town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Doctors, Cops, Trackers or any PR that is not a killing action. Visit me tonight.

Ewwwww~
Asking PR’s to waste an shot on you as an ascetic townie just to prove the ascetic part?
Are you scum claiming?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Doctors, Cops, Trackers or any PR that is not a killing action. Visit me tonight.

Ewwwww~
Asking PR’s to waste an shot on you as an ascetic townie just to prove the ascetic part?
Are you scum claiming?

No, Im doing the opposite of that. Stop twisting my words to try to drive a miselimination.

So anyone that remotely questions you are scum driving an miselimination?
Also i do believe you said exactly that. You told PR’s to visit you and not target actual scum (from your POV) just to prove the ascetic part of your role is real. (Which we already believe, it is your allignment that’s under question)

[NorwegianboyEE]

What’s better? A cop getting a guilty/inno on any other slot. Or an cop simply proving you are ascetic, and not your actual allignmemt? Asking them to target you is stupid.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And if you believe you are going to be nightkilled. Why ask doctor to target you? Their protection won’t even work assuming you are town and mafia can NK you. It will prove the claim but be an complete waste otherwise if mafia don’t even target you. And again, it won’t prove to the rest of the town anything except that you are in fact ascetic. But you could be an ascetic mafia goon for all we know.

[NorwegianboyEE]

okay Norway this guy is town

let’s move on lol

But i still hate him.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Just curious, are you townreading them for their emotional reaction or something else?

[NorwegianboyEE]

You sound very valley girl with all your likes and stuff.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think you might be right that they could be right that it’s just town but i’m not 100% convinced.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ops that sounded weird.
You get the point though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok. I never got this role before but judging by what it does, I think it is best for town to know it, I'm an Ascetic Townie, what a crappy role to get, thank you mod!

So uh

This was the right move

And I kinda FoS IV for pressing it like he did.
VOTE: innocentvillager

Why though.
Seemed like genuine solving from IV to me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Are you saying we should just accept the claim without question because it was an early day ascetic claim?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yikes, no way I am keeping up with this game with this PL...

I wonder who you're referring too...

Spoiler:

[NorwegianboyEE]

b/c it kinda feels like you saw the vote on you and reacted to it but you aren't really paying attention to the thread b/c I think 129 sorta contridicts your reason for voting me.

Saying "I like x as scum" isn't really much of a reason. I perceived it as you just doubling down on your initial RVS vote.

Don’t really understand Muh’s fixation on Nero’s vote being an RVS push.

[NorwegianboyEE]

you're right. Saying "I like x as scum" isn't a reason at all but saying "I like x as scum" means it wasn't an RVS vote. Wich is my point.

Different interpretations I guess. The initial vote seemed to me like it was done in jest, and I felt like you were doubling down on that when you said you like me as scum.

So why did you choose my "RVS" vote over two ACTUAL RVS votes?

Because you voted me so it caught my attention more.

This really pings me.
VOTE: Muh316

[NorwegianboyEE]

the current conversation isn't about the claim. Are you scum again, tay tay?

yep. its page 8 so everything is current and the game just ended.

yeah but the thread has moved on and the current discussion was about muh and his, imo, sketchy posting. You coming in and telling us to stop talking about the claim seems like a disconnect.

Good point from Nero here.
I’m feeling like they’re probably town again.

[NorwegianboyEE]

tbh i didnt even realize that muh had posted the first time through the thread, because the posts were all so bland. theres certainly no solving or pushing the envelope from that slot.

Why do you always sound so scummy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

no, but she prob is scummy regardless of alignment so...

Yeah pretty much.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Are you saying you want to policy her?

I wouldn't go that far. But i do think they are excruciatingly hard to read.

[NorwegianboyEE]

But if they actually do choose to play the game i do believe they'll be easier to read over time.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The fact that Tayl0r is perfectly willing to sound scummy even when they are town is exactly why they are hard to read.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What. Are you that person?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well that was the easiest alt snipe ever.
Won’t spoil it though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

No, it’s Klee from Genshin Impact.
Churros told me they really fit my character and i agreed so now i’ve been using her as my avi.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m not seeing where Tayl0r is trying to disband the wagon in those posts Glitch.

[NorwegianboyEE]

the current conversation isn't about the claim. Are you scum again, tay tay?

yep. its page 8 so everything is current and the game just ended.

yeah but the thread has moved on and the current discussion was about muh and his, imo, sketchy posting. You coming in and telling us to stop talking about the claim seems like a disconnect.

well im trying to derail the muh wagon. that or im a bit sleep deprived. or both.

I read this post as an joke, either way it would be weird for scum!Taylor to openly admit they are derailing the wagon.

[NorwegianboyEE]

+1 to my town win record, so yay!

I don’t see how this is relevant to the current discussion? Or really any that’s been going on at all here?

Yeah i didn't get that. Was it a brag about how they won an previous game as town?

[NorwegianboyEE]

town block me/nero/norway/guillotina/TGP/may

I object on the basis that I’m not in it and neither is IV
Seriously why Guillo but not IV?

Sorry, I'm just not that into you yet.

What do you mean by that?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't get it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

There are site rules why you can't talk about Gamma Emerald not being a townread of yours?

[NorwegianboyEE]

tbf, I think my only real townread is guillotina at this point :/

As opposed to what? Fake townreads?

What's your opinion on Muh?

[NorwegianboyEE]

i have early townfeels on norwee and would like to believe im right because i’m a norwee whisperer

Woah.

[NorwegianboyEE]

i’d be especially happy if non turns up as well~ after all, i joined because i was excited they came back

Non Imh? Have you been in a game with them where they actually post and not just lurk 24/7?

Oh and happy birthday!

[NorwegianboyEE]

To give credit where credit is due. Kanna townread me as town in newbie 1976 when literally every single other town player in both the game and dead thread thought i was obvscum. I think it's an fitting self-declared title.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

[NorwegianboyEE]

And Kanna also caught me out as scum in Micro 958.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12023869
2 out of 2.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I like it when ppl agree with me. Kinda sad there were only 2 new pages.

Shouldn’t it worry you a bit too?
That it might be going too smoothly i mean.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Glitch
You feel like scum this game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I feel like Muh’s defiance here rings more townie than scummy in this instance.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I just have to accept everyone scumhunts in different ways than my own.

And i thought you’d bring something to the table by this point. Seeing as you’re an self-proclaimed god at mafia with apparent unorthodox methods.
Any reads to share?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I feel like Muh’s defiance here rings more townie than scummy in this instance.

why

Because my gut tells me so.

[NorwegianboyEE]

we'll get an RV and stuff

NorwegianboyEE
NoPowerOverMe
Kanna

in there

Glitch can ride on the roof.

?? What does RV mean?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Except nobody's forgot about me and I'm the top wagon at the moment.

why is it exactly that you are still doing nothing in this game?

There's nothing for me to do yet

Disagree!
There’s a lot of content here already.
Why don’t you ask questions, explain if scum/town are pushing your wagon... form reads/do anything?

[NorwegianboyEE]

This is exactly why I hate playing as Town

You don’t really sound town when you say things like that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

we'll get an RV and stuff

NorwegianboyEE
NoPowerOverMe
Kanna

in there

Glitch can ride on the roof.

?? What does RV mean?

Recreational Vehicle
Also what language was that Tay

Well you failed. It’s spelled campignvogn.
Fake scandinavian!!
it was supposed to be norwegian

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norway can be my dancing queen but I think ABBA was before his time

Don’t say that. My mom forced me to watch the movie Mamma Mia! while i was younger. I’ve got the dancing queen song in my head now, thanks a lot Nero.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If the "JV is basically a less chill Norwegianboy when angry" analogy is correct then he’s prob town. I think he’s more chilled out when rolling scum based on large 229.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Muh i’m looking forward to seeing your reads, analyzis and content in the following session you’re online.
You

will

do it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

JV

could

be town but I think that scum can also do the anger thing and I don't really feel like we should town read JV based on that. JV's content is prtty bad so far. I'm also agreeing with Gamma that the quick skim seemed more like an attempt to get pressure off them than earnestly trying to help town.

Ok, sure. It’s not a strong townread. But as far as comparisons go i think he was less emotional as scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Muh, make content bruh.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Appearance of ABR has me worried he replaced into scum slot and is going to wrangle the scum team into an formidable foe as happened in large 227.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Let's suss out the weakest link first.

VOTE: Kanna

First of all, can you explain this vote.
Have you read the game prior to placing it?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m not surprised about Non Imh playing like this. I remember them always posting once in a blue moon in past games.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You’d look better if you focused more on sharing reads rather than fighting Nero.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I would say that Nero is pretty easy for me to read and i like them for that because it helps me to gain an steady footing early in the game to read other, more difficult slots.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norway, have you ever scumread nero and been correct?

Yeah, that time me and Nero were scum together in an mini.

[NorwegianboyEE]

norway, if we made a hydra what would we name it?

Oh my god.
Don’t ask such hard questions first thing in the morning.
I’ll muse about it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It’s an beautiful country with wondrous people such as i Guillotina. You should visit some time.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It’s an beautiful country with wondrous people such as i Guillotina. You should visit some time.

I dont care about your country here, i call you Norway cause your name is too long.

Then call me norwee

[NorwegianboyEE]

There are too many townreads on me

[NorwegianboyEE]

hot take: muh is scum and Glitch is the attempted counterwagon.

Any counterwagon is good for information so you shouldn't oppose it so early even if you think that's the case.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nero, why is Glitch town? Because that seems to be our main disagreement so far.

[NorwegianboyEE]

IV do you have scumreads. I think the main thing about your scumgame is that you literally never push anyone, but just try to look town and do showbiz. Meanwhile your towngame in lovers mafia you kept aggressively pushing players. Not seeing more of that here is making me nervous.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why is he scum?

It's a feeling, but i want Glitch to engage with the thread more before i say anything else.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This strikes me as odd.

First i randomly asked him about norweggianboy whom i refer to as Norway to shorten it.

He says he thinks Norway is town but his explanation is vague and contradictory.

If you think someone is town, why say that there are scummier slots than him, like less scummy from his point of view. Does he know Norway is scum?

Nero could word himself better, sure. But that last part is quite the stretch. Are you suggesting me and Nero could be scum partners and he slipped or something?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm not saying that I CAN'T be wrong on him but I just don't find him all that scummy

but if he was scum I'd think he was scum with you, IV, and Taylor.

Wtf Nero.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Just got in, will catch up in an hour maybe two

Yeah, it's been 8 hours now fella.

[NorwegianboyEE]

so nero is scum and pocketed norwee here? this doesnt feel like sorting. this feels like pushing for a chain of mislims.

firstly I'm not pushing for a norway elimination 2ndly how do you know that any of them are miseliminations? Seems kinda slippy, no?

well for one thing you said you want to kill 6 people. i doubt there are 6 scum. for another i happen to know that im town (the mod sent me this very nice message saying i am, and im tempted to believe it).

Hmm, are you sure we can trust this "moderator" chap you refer to? They could be scum tbh.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well that's certainly an development. I don't know how i feel about it, but it's an development.
@Taylor In what way is Nero different from Nero in MboS?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well that's certainly an development. I don't know how i feel about it, but it's an development.
@Taylor In what way is Nero different from Nero in MboS?

in MBoS i was scum and nero was annoyingly obvtown. Nero doesnt feel the same here. do you disagree? its tonal or feelings-based.

Couldn't that be just because you were scum and biasedly saw his actions as more town indicative than the way actual town saw it?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think Guillotina is a bit gross with the justification behind their Nero vote and i don't understand the townreads on him.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Or to clarify, i understand why some people might think he's town, but i don't really agree.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm not feeling an elimination on either Nero or Tayl0r so this back and forth isn't too interesting for me.
Would like to hear more from Muh/Glitch.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This strikes me as odd.

First i randomly asked him about norweggianboy whom i refer to as Norway to shorten it.

He says he thinks Norway is town but his explanation is vague and contradictory.

If you think someone is town, why say that there are scummier slots than him, like less scummy from his point of view. Does he know Norway is scum?

Nero could word himself better, sure. But that last part is quite the stretch. Are you suggesting me and Nero could be scum partners and he slipped or something?

I wasn't thinking it that way but your suggestion makes sense and if that is the case he didnt slip up, you just did.

Lol.
The god of mafia indeed.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Actually I don't really like how Guillotina is now describing

his own

early claim as impossible to come from scum, it's a level of self-consciousness that makes me question how sure I can be of that read.

Since when self-consciousness is a bad thing? Im a confident, very smart and effective and mature player and I already said why scum me would not early claim my role.

You can't be a real person.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Okay. After looking through, I have an observation:
Guil's claim by itself seems town-y, but some of their behaviour around that claim seems odd (saying they checked the wiki after making the claim, asking PRs to visit them to prove they are ascetic, etc), so I would read them as ascetic scum.

Good observation.

[NorwegianboyEE]

this is worse than nooby arrogance. this is a troll alt.

I am arrogant and got a big sized ego! Im the god of mafia! So what?

But im not a troll or an alt.

Can we please just kill this slot.
VOTE: Guillotina

[NorwegianboyEE]

Don't you think the ascetic claim by itself is a bit too risky for guill? If not for that I would vote the slot with you, because it's true it's scummy. Other slots are more interesting. Like NPOM. Could also go for May if anyone wants.

May hasn't pinged me any way other than activity wise, NPOM idk. Why them?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Don't you think the ascetic claim by itself is a bit too risky for guill?

I don't think ascetic claims are risky. And i don't like the weird tendency of players putting scummy slots on the back burner for NAI claims.

[NorwegianboyEE]

also, reminder that muh is lurking out the wagon on him.

This thought has entered my mind.
I unvoted Muh to hopefully give them a chance to post with less pressure. But it doesn't seem like they are improving.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Its pretty funny how guill left and said they would iso duke and its been 5mins and duke has 2 posts

[NorwegianboyEE]

God of mafia everyone.
(I swear, one day i will be tired of making that joke. Today is not that day)

[NorwegianboyEE]

Actually Guillotina, i've already shown hostility towards you since my first post. And even said i hated you.
I don't think it's been that much of an increase in hostility when compared to before.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Actually Guillotina, i've already shown hostility towards you since my first post. And even said i hated you.
I don't think it's been that much of an increase in hostility when compared to before.

This is even worse. You are saying you showing hostility towards me since day1 for nothing.
Why?

Your first post gave me slight scum pings. But it was indeed mostly RVS as page 1 RVS voted tend to go.
But overall i'm hostile because since then you've revealed yourself to be scummy and arrogant.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Muh being confident maybe, aggressive? No. Their presence is zero.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't think scum!Taylor provokes a fight with Nero Cain here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

ABR please. There had been a lot of content up to that point. Saying there's nothing to do is just an excuse both town or scum make because they are lazy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

ABR please. There had been a lot of content up to that point. Saying there's nothing to do is just an excuse both town or scum make because they are lazy.

Example of "lots of content"? What are notable events?

If you think i'm gonna sit here and build a chart for you describing notable events then you're sorely mistaken.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I played a newbie game with Duke recently if that counts.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wow big text, this guy's gotta be town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you yeet me you are gonna feel really bad about it,

I don't think i would feel very bad about it tbh.

This is the right mechanical play, i claimed my role how I was supposed to claim. Don't let me get yeeted, make the wolves have to NK me. One NK on me means one less NK against a PR. Yeeting me helps wolves, not town.

Lamist harder please.

My scum leans: Nero and Norweggian. When i die and I flip green, investigate them, watch them, track them first.

"God of mafia"

[NorwegianboyEE]

Guillotina, can you summarize your scumread on me as anything more than "He is voting and pushing me".

[NorwegianboyEE]

also that guillo wall was lol
pushing probably the strongest consensus townreads as scum feels like cornered scum tbh

He is hedging hard on his "my ascetic claim is supposed to make me town!" claim.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You should vote him.
Actually everyone should.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: guillotina

I can't put up with this slot all game lol

Are you scum?

Also i think their official position is that everyone who votes them is scum. Truly the mark of an great scum hunter.

[NorwegianboyEE]

But i'm town so that is an objectively wrong statement.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can you tell me why you scumread me now?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Until you tell me why you're so convinced i'm scum pushing for your elimination i will consider your push on me and Nero to be entirely in bad faith.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Guillotina right now be like:

Spoiler:

[NorwegianboyEE]

But to me you slipped up in that one post we both know, and if you slipped up, Nero is implicated.

Really? That's the weakest reasoning for scumreading me i've heard in a long time.
Why the fuck would scum!me casually slip up like an idiot by the way of asking you what you meant by a weird comment you made?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Correction: pushing my yeet based on personal emotions about my character

Wrong. I think you're scum. That is not personal. I can hate a player and still townread them, i'm not incapable of shelving my feelings for the sake of playing to my wincon.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This strikes me as odd.

First i randomly asked him about norweggianboy whom i refer to as Norway to shorten it.

He says he thinks Norway is town but his explanation is vague and contradictory.

If you think someone is town, why say that there are scummier slots than him, like less scummy from his point of view. Does he know Norway is scum?

Nero could word himself better, sure. But that last part is quite the stretch. Are you suggesting me and Nero could be scum partners and he slipped or something?

I wasn't thinking it that way but your suggestion makes sense and if that is the case he didnt slip up, you just did.

Gamma, they are referring to this exchange^
You can laugh now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also this begs the question of what he was actually thinking when he created that post if he didn't actually intent to question whether me and Nero could be partners. Because what else could "Does he know Norway is scum" implicate other than SvS interaction?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Anyway it's clear that Guillotine is arguing things that shouldn't matter right now so i'll ignore their recent comments.
I scumread them for their nonsensical posts and reasonings.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Muh and guillo Re both viable

Nah i want just Guillo right now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Agree with Gamma.
It just seems to me like they’re way overplaying their card here.
It’s like they rolled ascetic goon and everyone in scum PT told him to claim now and afterwards he’s forgot scum hunting and mostly just focus on posturing about their claim in an vicious cycle.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nero Taylor would either of you be interested in untunneling and voting Guillo?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah i think it’s better for Nero and Taylor to both just unvote (Taylor did already) and accept that nobody really finds either of their arguments very convincing. So either wait for something more convincing to pin them down with or accept that they need to find another target right now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Guillotina is either scum or too scummy to be scum. I’m not really buying anything else.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Guillotina

Didn’t you say Guillo was town earlier?

[NorwegianboyEE]

UNVOTE:

It was an impulsive reaction to "too scummy to be scum" which I loathe, and I just looked at Guillotina's iso and that slot is indeed town.

What's making you say that?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok, but why is Guillotina town?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I find this pretty believable, and I think just going "Oops, unvote" instead of trying to shoehorn in some sort of why-I-changed-my-mind in response to the questioning is a towntell.

Agreed, i think it's pretty townie for them to genuinely explain that they made an mistake.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Who do you think muh's scumbuddies are?

Why are you asking me for pre-flip associatives?

I don't know who his buddies are. I don't even know if he's scum.

VOTE: umlaut this is a lack of confidence in scumreads that i don't expect from town. while i don't expect you to know if he's scum, that wording was terrible.

So who are my scumbuddies?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Come on Umlaut. You know that sounds terrible.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't hate you Guillotina, i'm just wilfully acting as an jerkass to knock you down a bit from your pedestal.

[NorwegianboyEE]

UNVOTE:
Anyway i've been on the fence about it, and i think this recent post from Guillo here shows effort that is more likely town indicative from him.

[NorwegianboyEE]

951
Although not the biggest fan of how this post equates my push as mostly an emotional response, but whatever.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Umlaut
You seem to have been mostly ignoring me Umlaut-senpai.
Why won't you notice me?

[NorwegianboyEE]

im town reading Norway but I will say that he'd make some sense as a Taylor buddy so when/if she flips scum im going to strongly consider a norway flip, But taylor accusing me of bussing muh just looks like buddy play. So maybe im at

taylor
muh
maybe norway
IV

Ugh, Taylor.
I told you to distance.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nero constantly tying me to random players doesn't feel right, not gonna lie.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Saying shit like: "If player X flips scum then most likely somewhat town read player is in reality scum" is.... just generally bad.
Do you think i'm scum Nero?
Saying you townread someone but then claiming they should be immediately flipped if another player flips scum kinda shows you don't really townread them.

[NorwegianboyEE]

you defend taylor ALOT

Where?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Never mind, i ISO'd myself and i can see why you might think that way.
I wouldn't say i strongly townread Tayl0r, but i do see many slots in the game i'd rather eliminate right now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

town can certainly be wrong but I think it's reasonable play to at least consider eliminating the person that defended flipped scum, do you not agree with this?

Hmm not really, because there are many moments where town white knights scum and it's important to distinguish rather than just blindly assuming that anyone who'd defend scum= scum partner.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well it's not like it really bothers me that you'd consider an Taylor/me team. But it's that you've claimed to townread me yet seemed so willing to shade me based on an assumption that's just thrown out there at multiple times which gave me a bad taste in the mouth. (Such as post 541 where you say which slots could likely be my teammates for some reason.)

[NorwegianboyEE]

It gives me the impression of an sneaky shade scum!you could make where you say i'm town but subtly spread the seed of doubt to the rest of the game by constantly referring to which slots could TOTALLY be Norwee's teammates to diminish my influence.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well i do think it’s bonkers, but ok.
Think what you may.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well i do think it’s bonkers, but ok.

so when scum gets flipped you never suspect the player that defends them?

That’s not really what i care about. The reason i’m having a "light push back" as you call it is because i am actively aware that scum is most likely attempting to pocket me, and your read on has seemed contradictory. I know i’m not scum so that’s not the issue for me here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also Nero, you literally just asked the exact same question 10 minutes before posting that one again.
My read on you is dropping.

[NorwegianboyEE]

i am actively aware that scum is most likely attempting to pocket me,

pushing you as a possible taylor buddy is like the exact opposite of pocketing you.

Who are you scum reading that has a town read on you?

Yeah i’m sleepy. Meant to say: «has likely been attempting to pocket me so far"
Not ready to answer question fully yet, but i’ve become paranoid of you recently.

[NorwegianboyEE]

May, Kanna comes to mind though. They both called me town and then just flaked.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I guess you need advice from your scumbuddies first?

Shut up.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Going to sleep now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwegianboy doesn't seem to be playing as agressively as our last game together, but that's probably NAI.

norwee what are your thoughts on this?

Feels like an incomplete shade. But he’s a newbie so not sure if it’s just an thought or what.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Is everyone in the mood to compromise on Muh?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh it’s equal

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Muh316

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nero, you haven't voted anyone else other than Muh all day.
You're that convinced?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Normally, I wouldn’t do a thing like that without first knowing what I’m voting for, but in this case, it’s just nice to feel part of the team, be a community together! Socialization is the key that makes humans happy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That hammer doesn't feel very "we just eliminated scum"
Especially considering Pretentious just said "compromise eliminations are always bad" or whatever and then lolhammered anyway.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ugh.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Even if it flips scum, hammering like that is bad and i'd probably still suspect them.

[NorwegianboyEE]

They stated their principles clearly (wagon bad) and then just went against their own logic and hammered as soon as the opportunity arose.

[NorwegianboyEE]

y did u say "ugh"?

Because i feel like i did a bad and shouldn't have switched vote.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Pretentious is the type of person that

knows

all of this. He knows that if he lolhammers like that it will look so scummy he might just get townread off of it.
Occams razor. If Pretentious!scum he's just hammering to seal an elimination on town without letting them claim.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Really doubting my Norwee read now

Good. Keep me alive this night oh shiny knight.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh it's not an hammer.
UNVOTE:
Interesting reactions tho. Also i'd like at LEAST to see an actual claim before the next hammer.

[NorwegianboyEE]

was this some like troll reaction test i don't understand

I hope it's just Pretentious and Nero that can't count.
Fake hammering is cancer.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah i'm really interest in hearing what Pretentious has to say about their failed hammer.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Pretentious
Yeah i agree with ABR here. I don’t think Pretentious realized Muh wasn’t actually E-1 and thusly their intentions are very sus.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If Pretentious is scum why would Umlaut be?
IV?
Does Pretentious look like they were overly concerned about the Umlaut wagon? If there was the possibility of them being allied and Umlaut being compromised by their lolhammer it seems unlikely they would take it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Que Muh coming in after all this saying: "There’s nothing for me to comment on!" and going back to lurking.

[NorwegianboyEE]

maybe you're just thinking on level 2 here and presenting it as like, Umlaut obviously becomes compromised by Pretentious's lolhammer, but now we're just getting into a leveling thing

Yeah i meant it as an level 2 thing.
(I guess)

[NorwegianboyEE]

Is that video supposed to reference something in this thread?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm willing to wait and hear whether anyone who does know your play can back this up, but I can't put much stock in a tell that you're self-aware of.

I won 10 scum games in 2019, was on a 2 and half year scum streak in 2015-2017? I believe? Then went almost another 2 years after losing.

I have even written a scum guide in the Mafia Discussion forum if you’d like to check that out to see how I am as scum.

Lol. It seems like everytime Flavour get's pushed=
>They start talking about how epic their scum game is and how they wouldn't be failing this hard if they weren't town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

KILL IT WITH FUCKING FIRE

lol

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t believe I’ve gotten mad as town in over a year, but i can show you a scum game where i replaces out after getting mad

You did replace out of MBOS when Titus hood pushed you while you were town. And you seemed a lot more mad there than here, where you seem more like scum relishing in the atmosphere to confidently get out of the elimination.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@pretentious
What makes you say that Nero knows you are town?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Pretentious can you explain what it is that's telling you Nero is scum? How would town!him play this differently here and how can you tell he is scum so certainly?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Especially considering you hadn't really been paying much attention to these past pages prior to your fake hammer as you said.

[NorwegianboyEE]

He used the momentum to swing onto a higher profile misfade.

But he wasn't the sole person that switched from Muh to you based on your hammer. How are you telling the difference between Tayl0r, Nero, and me. and more etc, when they're essentially justifying with the exact same arguments or sheeping such arguments?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m town, I just haven’t read a lick of this game.

I still noticed Taylor and Nero running the game more than anyone else.

There are many inconsistencies with your arguments here. And your response to being hard pushed is quite different from MBoS, the overconfidence also feels pretty scummy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Exactly. Scum Me is incredibly consistent.

But how are we supposed to know if you aren't just pulling this logic straight from your ass? Can anyone confirm that this line is true, do you have meta to hold it up?

[NorwegianboyEE]

im open for elimination tomorrow but Boon won't self vote like he does as town b/c he's not town and he's trying to get out of an elimation.

This makes zero sense. Self-Preservation is NAI!!!!

I'm town and I don't wanna get yeeted!
Wolves don't wanna get yeeted either! Both factions want to win!

Stop making claims like this as if they are AI

Yeah, good point.

[NorwegianboyEE]

My major doubt with your story here is that from my experience with Nero, their play is less controlling as scum. He usually just sits back and let's town do their thing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m slightly leaning more on Flavour scum as my personal meta has Nero acting like this as town while Pretentious has acted like this as scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oooohh is that a threat?

sure. If Boon flips scum I think you make a ton of sense as a Boon buddy.

Ehhh...
i don’t really see that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So much for the self-vote announcement.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think Guillotina is easily charmed by confident players. They’re not scum with Flavah.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t lose scum games where I’m the first scum out anyways, so even if I were scum, which I’m not, you wouldn’t want to fade me here

Omg, this is exactly what you said when you flipped scum in large 224 i think it was.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Guillotina town
No power town

Nero scum
Norwegian scum

Lol.

[NorwegianboyEE]

My play alone has caused multiple pages of discussion worth analyzing, and I feel I’ve explained extremely strongly why I am going to flip town, so I have also done my job in that regard.

Now basically, you have a choice, flip a misfade, or vote elsewhere.

you read these pages at least, what do you make of them?

I have commented everything in real time in regards to my thoughts right now. Just read the pages to know what I make them.

Nero and Norwegian are scum.

You can take that to the bank.

You’ve literally started scumreading me purely for survivalism.
Can’t convince them over to your side? Scumread them! Me and Nero are fucking obvtown.

[NorwegianboyEE]

At least when compared to you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Norwee

I like this.

So ABR is scum? Is there any explanation at all gor why you suddenly buy their nonsense and turn the wagon to me?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Have you guys really not played any games with FL?

I've played with FL, still don't think he's town.

Do you agree that when he's town, he's a priority threat to scum?

When he was town in Mbos he sucked. Why are you pushing this "town!FL should live!!" nonsense?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh i just love that line. "This wagon is too fast and goes through too easily!" (As multiple suspicious people show up to protect scumm-as-fuck flavour and disband/derail his wagon)

[NorwegianboyEE]

I was known for being incredibly anti bus for like a year and a half. Not that I don’t bus.

I will claim scum as VT with knowledge that I don’t think that’s a good play.

Do you think I’m using that card here is the real question? What purpose does playing that spell card do here?

This is the 50th fucking time you’ve repeated the same tired line of "i wouldn’t claim VT as scum" thing is, you absolutely fucking would as you have no idea what town PR’s currently are. This is a stupid lie you’re repeating to make it seem true.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I thought he was scummy at first but it could have been ego and NAI. Experienced players obviously don't want to be eliminated D1.

Yeah right.
(BS)

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like even if he’s town his influence is super scum sided right now. "Obvtown player A and B are scum" is his best reads so far. And he’s spamming the same lines with slight variations of: "i’m town, i’m town, i’m town" and making the game unplayable. I would turbo eliminate this slot any day.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nero probably just doesn’t want to have to kill me especially now that he knows I’m VT

Anyone that votes me and scum reads me is scum

-Boon the Goon 11/11/20

Yeah. Pretty much all he’s been good for.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Flip your read on me, then go look at Norwegian in our 1v1 from the eyes of me being a flipped greenie

Yeah, i’m looking pretty sexy am i right?

[NorwegianboyEE]

i'll sheep you on Norway if you flip town. take the 1 for 1

Nero, i could have done the exact same deal with Flavour where if he flips town i eliminate you, but i refused because i’m town and it’s shady as fuck. Why did you accept this premise?

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Muh - Come over to our side of the bridge, we're friendlier here, vote Norwegian.

They're trying to fade you and I.

Where have i stated i want to fade Muh? You’re just making up whatever’s convenient.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m not sure abput Taylor, but i could definitely see ABR and NPOM as Boon-Buddies.
Either way, eliminating Boon IS absolutely 100% the play town should make here and those that resist it are scummy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

i unvoted but didnt really like any of the other wagons. dont think i wanna go back to the pretentious wagon.

VOTE: muh

ngl it feels like i have no power and town are being led from a really good place to a really bad place. i trust abr and im willing to work with flavor for now at least. but im not gonna vote norwee. unless im missing something big here, norwee is town.

Plz go back to Boon.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Btw this is an old device of scum!Flavour.
If town players are in control of the game, he immediately starts putting big pressure on the towniest slots to turn that around and create chaos. In mini 2124 he sucmread Farkran and dumb as i was, actually convinced me to vote there, even though Farkran was obvtown as fuck. Take a look at their standard play and tell me you still trust this fucker for what they've done in this game so far.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... avour+leaf

[NorwegianboyEE]

What if Taylor doesn't go back to Boon?

Well let's deal with not-willing-to-vote-Flavour individuals by a case on case basis. They still seem to show some willingness to vote Pretentious so i'll leave it at that until they return.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I've already concluded ABR is most likely scum. NPOM feels also scum, but not as strongly.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Pretentious tactics is pretty clear when looking back on it. Divide and conquer. At first he’s trying to pocket me and calls Nero scum, then when it’s not working he 180’s and calls Nero town and me scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

yeah but he went back to calling me scum b/c I kept pushing him.

Yeah, which just shows how bad faith his arguments are.
And ABR looks REALLY bad for defending him.
If Flavour is scum they should go next imo.