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[Pretentious]

[Pretentious]

UNVOTE: Nero

[Pretentious]

I feel like Tay is boxed scum that is threatened by my smaller POE and is resorting to "hey look over there at all the other slots!" It doesn't feel like town worried that im going down the wrong path.

or im just not worried that youre pushing me because people often have an awfully hard time reading me. have i sent you my guide to reading me?

I actually have a guide that could help you read me, in case you were wondering on whether to town read or scum read me, I haven’t read the game yet, personally, but I have a few quick links I could send, no? Nothing about me, okay. I’ll continue putting off catching up here.

[Pretentious]

I just think we should all really take a long hard look at ourselves instead of immediately pointing the finger.

[Pretentious]

We can make real change here, guys. I don’t think Taylor or Nero is scum. Personally, I’d say this is a classic town versus town.

[Pretentious]

ok IV is added to the town list.

I feel like I could be of service to this town list, or more specifically of a tight knit circle with whom there is a mutual trust between.

[Pretentious]

You know what? That’s it! I’ve had enough. I’m going to finally do it. I’m going to have a seat, maybe make a fire. Stir up some hot coco, relax, grab my iPad, and just sit down and read this game. Like a good book, just a good book. I’ll probably do it. Yeah.

[Pretentious]

I would like to state that compromises are never good, it’s just the entry basic stuff from both halves. I’d also like to say that I recognize one of my strengths as a late game player, and right now, I just haven’t caught up. I assure you, in time, I will be of assistance.

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It appears as if that is F-1.

Well, if you don’t mind if I do then...hammer on! or is it more like away? Hammer away? On just feels better. I’ll try to do some reading tonight, and give you what I come back with next day phase!

VOTE: Muh

[Pretentious]

Normally, I wouldn’t do a thing like that without first knowing what I’m voting for, but in this case, it’s just nice to feel part of the team, be a community together! Socialization is the key that makes humans happy.

[Pretentious]

VT!

[Pretentious]

If anyone thinks I claim VT here are scum, lol

[Pretentious]

As*

I’m town, I just haven’t read a lick of this game.

I log into this account, post some role play nonsense, and moved forward

[Pretentious]

VOTE: Pretentious
Yeah tbh the thing Guillo quoted seems super out-of-character for boon, and I agree it looks scummy for that and in general

I role play like Jonah from Superstore on this account.

[Pretentious]

VOTE: Pretentious
Yeah i agree with ABR here. I don’t think Pretentious realized Muh wasn’t actually E-1 and thusly their intentions are very sus.

This is also what proves I’m town not paying attention.

[Pretentious]

Pretentious will to quickhammer is suspicious!

Also, i townread Nero, because he has indiscriminately put everyone under scrutiny and driven the room effortlessly like a real investigator. I disagree with him on certain things but overall he is townie.

I always quick hammer, especially Day 1.

My normal catch phrase is

Did somebody say L-1? Then drop the hammer.

It’s my HON
HAMMA OUTTA NOWHERE

[Pretentious]

Normally, I wouldn’t do a thing like that without first knowing what I’m voting for, but in this case, it’s just nice to feel part of the team, be a community together! Socialization is the key that makes humans happy.

Role playing, specifically for Pretentious account.

If you can’t tell, I’m currently in FL mode, but I would like to eventually move back to Pret mode, who uses proper technique, which is why I said I normally wouldn’t do that.

[Pretentious]

They stated their principles clearly (wagon bad) and then just went against their own logic and hammered as soon as the opportunity arose.

Yeah, Pret doesn’t hammer, FL does. That’s why it’s against my own logic. FL is super strong, though, can’t hold them back always.

[Pretentious]

@ABR - Unvote me. You should know how I absolutely never would claim VT in a scenario like this.

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Norwegian is town.

IV is town. I think I got pretty solid at reading them after playing Illicit Substances.

I think TGP is town, and normally I can read him as scum super easily. I recently just replaced into a game Night 1, and vig shot scum him.

[Pretentious]

Willing to self hammer here if you want, but I will flip VT.

[Pretentious]

I feel like Gamma should know I play differently on my alts like that, so the super out of character line from them specifically is extremely poor.

[Pretentious]

i bet Boon saw my post where I thought there were 6 players on the wagon and then thought he hammered.

He thought he did too

That’s exactly what happened.

And Scum Me never would have had that happen. That is classic town me not paying attention to the game I haven’t read a lick of but chose to replace into even though I’m already playing in 3 games on another account, so switching accounts specifically to play this game I hadn’t read yet was not on the priority. I was hoping to give myself 2 days, and then the hammer would make me a topic of discussion and force me to play, which in a way it did.

I am Vanilla Townie, and I am sorry that I was going to hammer out of nowhere, but that is just what I do. You give me the cake, how you expect me not to dunk my face into it?

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I personally think Norwegian is the most genuine of everyone on me, with maybe the exception of Guill.

Norwegian everything they have said about me is true. I contradicted myself after the compromise part.

Yes.

I just happened to that as town because I’m a rascal by nature, even when I try to play on my Do Everything The Correct PC Way account, the inner shit stirring jester of me Can’t help but come out.

[Pretentious]

Alternatively, I’m half okay being out Day 1. I’m only VT, so I think that’s a solid one, and let’s be honest, if you keep me in, people gonna get hard Flavor Fever, and the fact I had not yet caught up showed my level of interest in doing so.

I am town, and I will be a sacrificial lamb, a marytr to set off an explosion where you catch scum in the future.

And with that, I announce my

Intent to hammer.

May you all be well, go town!

[Pretentious]

Doesn’t mean it isn’t a misfade.

I would have read eventually. You don’t really need me Day 1. I’m more of a late game town powerhouse.

[Pretentious]

My play alone has caused multiple pages of discussion worth analyzing, and I feel I’ve explained extremely strongly why I am going to flip town, so I have also done my job in that regard.

Now basically, you have a choice, flip a misfade, or vote elsewhere.

[Pretentious]

The fresher and less I was able to read, the more likely it was for me to game solve, so I never rush reading a game, it happens when it happens. I’m rather strong playing in the present, which I was actively trying to do. I came in every now and then after replacing in to make sure to post so you guys would see me. I was posting in my Pretentious playstyle so people would get used to seeing me actively play differently.

[Pretentious]

VOTE: Pretentious
Yeah i agree with ABR here. I don’t think Pretentious realized Muh wasn’t actually E-1 and thusly their intentions are very sus.

This is also what proves I’m town not paying attention.

I don't follow how not paying attention is supposed to prove you're town.

I don't really care whether it's in character or not, I have never been on board with the "oh that's just so-and-so, quickhammering is what they do" justification for foregoing policy and I'm not about to get on board with it now.

That makes sense why you don’t follow it, but players who know me, or more specifically know me on Flavor Leaf, know that I’m a top tier scum player who knows every in and out of every scum game they play.

You clearly just missed the point, which is actually townie I feel

[Pretentious]

Anyone who ever pushes policy is just kinda a trash mindset. Be more creative than that, find more uses than just a policy. It’s lazy town and lazy scum.

[Pretentious]

Although scum pushing as policy to get townies to push as policy, isn’t that bad now that I think about it a little more. Policy’s just a little lame.

I will make sure it isn’t a policy because now there is plenty for people to read my completely genuine thought process.

This is no longer a policy, and anyone who states that it is should be dealt with

[Pretentious]

In my near 7 years on site, i believe I’ve claimed VT as scum with the ability to count how many times on 1 hand. Not even a full hand likely, but I’m not gonna fact check.

[Pretentious]

Scum want this to go through so bad. I can feel it. They found a way to get rid of me before I really started cooking, so this implies that scum is on the list of people who know me decently.

[Pretentious]

Nero Cain
Tayl0r Swift
Gamma Emerald
TheGoldenParadox (eh no really, but i could see them doing what I’m referring to if they are scum)
Albert B. Rampage
innocentvillager (slightly, but i do want them on the list. I read them as town, though)
DrippingGoofball (maybe, but i don’t think so, but I’ll add them here anyways)


There is scum in this list, probably multiple.

I town read some of the slots, though

[Pretentious]

I only go down prior to Day 3 as town, past 4 years, I believe. Might be a slip somewhere in thta, but yeah.

[Pretentious]

I'm going to just disagree with you here. I think that towns more often go wrong by thinking they've found an exception to general principles when they really haven't, than they do by following general principles when they should make an exception.

Then this shows the level difference between us at the moment.

Time to get cocky.

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To me it sounds like one head messed up and the other one is trying save themselves out of the situation.

Sorry if I'm wrong but I don't know you.

I’m one person.

I didn’t mess up either. I stand by the vote I wanted to make 100% of the time.

[Pretentious]

This moment was just meant to happen tomorrow rather than today, but it really doesn’t matter too much.

[Pretentious]

If I were scum, I’d just have teammates able to get me out of this before I got to L-1. I only can get this far when I am town.

[Pretentious]

I'm willing to wait and hear whether anyone who does know your play can back this up, but I can't put much stock in a tell that you're self-aware of.

I won 10 scum games in 2019, was on a 2 and half year scum streak in 2015-2017? I believe? Then went almost another 2 years after losing.

I have even written a scum guide in the Mafia Discussion forum if you’d like to check that out to see how I am as scum.

[Pretentious]

To me it sounds like one head messed up and the other one is trying save themselves out of the situation.

Sorry if I'm wrong but I don't know you.

I’m one person.

I didn’t mess up either. I stand by the vote I wanted to make 100% of the time.

You are not a hydra then. Ok.

I am typically a roleplaying alt on this account, which naturally gets me scum read for weird posts.

[Pretentious]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=84028

Scum Guide I wrote.

So yeah, sorry, if anyone ever thinks I have any sort of scum possibility here, it just shows the gap in how many ladders y’all need to climb up to be able to even see how high up I am.

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UNVOTE: Pretentious

Tell me why do you scum read the players of that list you made

The speed of my wagon means someone on the scum team saw an opening to get me, a well known player on site who has loads of setup design, review knowledge, and play experience, taking advantage of me being on a lesser known weird post style alt, someone who knows me helped give momentum to my wagon because I am a fantastic day 1 misfade for scum even though I haven’t been playing.

If you knew me, you’d know I love to lurk out as town until late game n then solve.

I once rolled a whole game, and then stopped trolling to solve the game.

Gamma and Nero are the 2 players who know me the most, so I guarantee you a scum is in one of the two.

[Pretentious]

Appeal to experience isn't gonna work here.

On a scale of 1-10, how much do you think I care what you have to say about it?

[Pretentious]

a) Player admits to not reading the thread
b) Player claims Vanilla Townie
c) Player goes apeshit when he's about to be eliminated

This just doesn't add up.

And then he makes a scum list after not reading the thread.

I’m a gamestate reader.

And awesome at playing in the present.

I don’t know the past of this game, but the present is mine.

I also have to play up to my namesake on this account, and I think I do really well with that.

[Pretentious]

Or you're just scum yourself.

If I was, I wouldn’t be close to being eliminated. Simple as that.

Whether you like that reasoning or not, it’s true.

[Pretentious]

Obviously not, since you're about to get eliminated.

My point exactly.

[Pretentious]

I think most of the players here would rather elim you than nero or norway.

Sure, because that’s scum’s power over the game.

How new are you?

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UNVOTE: Pretentious

Tell me why do you scum read the players of that list you made

The speed of my wagon means someone on the scum team saw an opening to get me, a well known player on site who has loads of setup design, review knowledge, and play experience, taking advantage of me being on a lesser known weird post style alt, someone who knows me helped give momentum to my wagon because I am a fantastic day 1 misfade for scum even though I haven’t been playing.

If you knew me, you’d know I love to lurk out as town until late game n then solve.

I once rolled a whole game, and then stopped trolling to solve the game.

Gamma and Nero are the 2 players who know me the most, so I guarantee you a scum is in one of the two.

This answer is worth nothing to someone who does not know you. Tell me why people in your list could be scum based just on this game, disregard meta.

Like it or not, personal relationships are part of the game.

I know for a fact scum is within someone who knows me.

Quicker you learn this, the better off you’ll be for it.

[Pretentious]

It’s amazing how little people know o the basic building blocks of mafia.

[Pretentious]

a) Player admits to not reading the thread
b) Player claims Vanilla Townie
c) Player goes apeshit when he's about to be eliminated

This just doesn't add up.

NoPow looks like a scum pawn who’s joined the game to make sure my fade ones through.

[Pretentious]

Goes* my iPad sucks, so if i miss letters or a weird auto correct, that’s why

[Pretentious]

I think we'll be better off without you in the game.

Yes, scum is better off without me in the game.

[Pretentious]

I like getting misfaded early as town because I get to use it to further push how little people understand

[Pretentious]

Appeal to Experience and OMGUS.

Still town.

[Pretentious]

Nero mad because he knows I caught him here.

He was running the game before I started talking.

[Pretentious]

Then play like it.

If you were more experienced, you’d already see the benefits of my last few pages.

[Pretentious]

When Boon is town he's angry and throws a temper tantrum. This is scum Boon trying to talk his way out of elimination.

I’m not Boon, but if you think I’m not frustrated by the condescending nature of my posts, you need better reading comprehension.

[Pretentious]

I'll see the benefit when you flip red.

Nah, you’re just a weak, inferior player.

[Pretentious]

I’m speaking in just this game, can’t speak elsewise, of course.

[Pretentious]

When Boon is town he's angry and throws a temper tantrum. This is scum Boon trying to talk his way out of elimination.

VOTE: Nero

By no means, should Nero not see that I am town here.

This will flip scum, If I go down, remember that.

Nero needs me gone

[Pretentious]

I'm willing to wait and hear whether anyone who does know your play can back this up, but I can't put much stock in a tell that you're self-aware of.

I won 10 scum games in 2019, was on a 2 and half year scum streak in 2015-2017? I believe? Then went almost another 2 years after losing.

I have even written a scum guide in the Mafia Discussion forum if you’d like to check that out to see how I am as scum.

Lol. It seems like everytime Flavour get's pushed=
>They start talking about how epic their scum game is and how they wouldn't be failing this hard if they weren't town.

Yeah, it sucks how true that is, though.

It’s not fun to hear, but it’s just true.

[Pretentious]

I'm willing to wait and hear whether anyone who does know your play can back this up, but I can't put much stock in a tell that you're self-aware of.

I won 10 scum games in 2019, was on a 2 and half year scum streak in 2015-2017? I believe? Then went almost another 2 years after losing.

I have even written a scum guide in the Mafia Discussion forum if you’d like to check that out to see how I am as scum.

Lol. It seems like everytime Flavour get's pushed=
>They start talking about how epic their scum game is and how they wouldn't be failing this hard if they weren't town.

And i always flip town with it. Funny

[Pretentious]

I don’t believe I’ve gotten mad as town in over a year, but i can show you a scum game where i replaces out after getting mad

[Pretentious]

Nero is scum here, look at how hard he’s trying to fade obvtown me.

Like, i know it’s not ObvTown for a lot of you, but Nero knows I’m town here.

Like when you see I’m green, everything I’ve ever said this game becomes absolute fact, and that makes me giddy

[Pretentious]

Pretentiou tried to hammer/fake hammered Muh

I wanted to hammer the slot you were pushing everyone to vote, yes.

[Pretentious]

I don’t believe I’ve gotten mad as town in over a year, but i can show you a scum game where i replaces out after getting mad

You did replace out of MBOS when Titus hood pushed you while you were town. And you seemed a lot more mad there than here, where you seem more like scum relishing in the atmosphere to confidently get out of the elimination.

That game finished?

I replace out of that game because I was going to live, but I had to post for like 50 pages.

I wouldn’t have been faded if I stayed in.

[Pretentious]

And Mastina always misreads me, so I was definitely mad.

[Pretentious]

I'm not like 100% convinced that Boon just saw the opportunity to hammer (b/c he thought he'd hammer) or he was actively aware that muh only had 5 not 6 votes on him and was doing a fake hammer as scum. IG okams says that the former is true though.

I definitely thought I hammered.

And you know better than anyone scum me doesn’t mess that up.

This is why I know you are scum, and it really sucks for you I replaced in.

My flip, now will fuck you.

[Pretentious]

@pretentious
What makes you say that Nero knows you are town?

Scum knows who the town are...

Nero knows I’m town because he knows I would never claim VT as scum here.

He knows that one of my biggest weaknesses when I’m scum is I’m too consistent, and I am too aware of what’s going on.

This helped me win games for a while, but is rough when people start to notice it.

Like, this is a hard one for you guys to understand, I get it, but Nero is controlling this game as scum.

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I don’t believe I’ve gotten mad as town in over a year, but i can show you a scum game where i replaces out after getting mad

You did replace out of MBOS when Titus hood pushed you while you were town. And you seemed a lot more mad there than here, where you seem more like scum relishing in the atmosphere to confidently get out of the elimination.

also, we were in a mini not too long ago and he threw a fucking fit including faking a guilty on towm

I don’t believe I fake guilties on town without retracting them, so I think this is a lie?

[Pretentious]

Yeah, that ones a lie, I think. Which game is that?

[Pretentious]

Are you saying FL is not as good as he thinks he is?

Well, I won he award for Best Scum Player of 2019, and Game of the Year for Modding, so, I’m probably better than I think I am you are correct.

[Pretentious]

come on boon, you think im scum take the 1 for 1 bro. prove u r town.

Unvote for a bit if you are town, let me converse with Gamma and Taylor.

You have to see why I would think you are scum here.

[Pretentious]

After I converse with Gamma and Taylor.

Seems like you’re trying to cut off discussion.

[Pretentious]

There’s plenty of time to fade me still, no harm in letting it sit for a bit.

So unvote if you’re really town.

I think you’re scum afraid to lessen pressure on me.

[Pretentious]

you can talk to tay and gamma while my vote is on you. this is just boon trying to manipulate the town into unvoting him.

I am not trying to get the town to unvote me.

I’m trying to get you to.

ScumYou needs to keep pressure on me because you’re afraid TownMe will be out of this.

Here’s the thing.

I don’t want out o this.

I’m happy to be the fade, just give it a couple days irl time.

[Pretentious]

I am obvtown as fuck. Saying that if I don't unvote you that im not town is just manipulation.

No, I am obv town as fuck. Lol

[Pretentious]

You are scum who is being perceived as obv town, so in a way, you are correct.

[Pretentious]

It’s good, though, Taylor and Gamma being on me her lets me clap back at them when they say I can’t read them.

[Pretentious]

Fuck this ipa missing letters

[Pretentious]

in MBOS of silver town you self voted instantly. Here you are afraid to do so. What makes these games diffrent?

I’m not trying to hammer myself right now right now. You can have patience, young one.

[Pretentious]

I was also more invested in that game, and replaced out.

Like I said, if i hadn’t replaced out there, I would not have been faded.

[Pretentious]

Technically, I wasn’t anyways, empty slot got faded.

[Pretentious]

Notice Nero stuck on one thing because he has nothing else.

ScumNero know the longer I stay in his game, the more of a chance people will see I’m genuinely town.

[Pretentious]

Pretentious can you explain what it is that's telling you Nero is scum? How would town!him play this differently here and how can you tell he is scum so certainly?

Town him would care less, especially when it comes to me. He’s not new. He knows exactly how I am as town.

He would ave more arguments because there would be more arguments. Instead, he’s stuck with that MBOS meta argument of a game I replaced out of.

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Especially considering you hadn't really been paying much attention to these past pages prior to your fake hammer as you said.

I still noticed Taylor and Nero running the game more than anyone else.

I noticed the agenda Nero was pushing to try and get steam on an absentFL, even after I thought I hammered the exact wagon he was pushing people to join.

He used the momentum to swing onto a higher profile misfade.

[Pretentious]

I don't know wich is more sad, that you actually believe you can talk your way out of this or ppl that actually believe this nonsense.

Well, they should believe it, because I am town.

If I were scum here, I’d have been out of the woods by now.

[Pretentious]

If I were scum here, I’d claim a PR.

Literally, I’ve made so many anti scum moves in this past couple hours, it’s quite ridiculous.

Sure, you can say I’m doing that as scum for arguments sake, but an anti scum move is still an anti scum move and doesn’t help.

Me claiming a confirmable PR just ends any of this mess.

[Pretentious]

I was also playing on a different playstyle account there in April Ludgate. She’s my devil wildcard account.

[Pretentious]

That they are different. What's the point?

that his alignments is diffrent.

It’s not.

And I’m in the exact same spot i was there, actually. Everyone’s coming agains me when someone is pushing me as for sure scum.

Why aren’t you bringing up those similarities?

[Pretentious]

He used the momentum to swing onto a higher profile misfade.

But he wasn't the sole person that switched from Muh to you based on your hammer. How are you telling the difference between Tayl0r, Nero, and me. and more etc, when they're essentially justifying with the exact same arguments or sheeping such arguments?

I’m not sayin he started the wagon, I’m saying Nero used the momentum and helped swim momentum further towards me.

It’s the timing of your votes, the way you handle it now.

I’m also actively trying to talk with Taylor and Gamma, if you haven’t noticed, so I am trying to see the differences in it. I have othe reasons I’ve stated to believe you are town.

I voted the person that Nero was pushing, and I am by far a better misfade for him here, and he thought it was going to be easy. I don’t think he would have done it if he thought I’d come back from it.

[Pretentious]

Swing*

Nero is the one controlling this game right now.

[Pretentious]

That they are different. What's the point?

that his alignments is diffrent.

It’s not.

And I’m in the exact same spot i was there, actually. Everyone’s coming agains me when someone is pushing me as for sure scum.

Why aren’t you bringing up those similarities?

Don't lie. What alignment were you there?

I was town here.

[Pretentious]

That they are different. What's the point?

that his alignments is diffrent.

It’s not.

And I’m in the exact same spot i was there, actually. Everyone’s coming agains me when someone is pushing me as for sure scum.

Why aren’t you bringing up those similarities?

Don't lie. What alignment were you there?

I was town here.

*there, but here works as well.

[Pretentious]

I’m town, I just haven’t read a lick of this game.

I still noticed Taylor and Nero running the game more than anyone else.

There are many inconsistencies with your arguments here. And your response to being hard pushed is quite different from MBoS, the overconfidence also feels pretty scummy.

Exactly. Scum Me is incredibly consistent.

I’m not overconfident, you’re just reading my natural confidence.

[Pretentious]

I’m not being pushed by Mastina who’s saying I’m lock scum based on her role when I had only soft claimed not full claimed and I knew I was town.

That’s the difference, Norwegian.

[Pretentious]

I was also active in that game.

Here, I go swung on for being inactive.

That is something I don’t believe I have ever in my 7 years of mafia on site had happened when I was scum.

[Pretentious]

Just fade Nero if I’m faded today. You’ll be happy you did.

[Pretentious]

I’m town, I just haven’t read a lick of this game.

I still noticed Taylor and Nero running the game more than anyone else.

There are many inconsistencies with your arguments here. And your response to being hard pushed is quite different from MBoS, the overconfidence also feels pretty scummy.

Exactly. Scum Me is incredibly consistent.

I’m not overconfident, you’re just reading my natural confidence.

Is it possible that you see overconfidence as arrogance? You have a tendency to clash with players on a high pedestal.

I’m a competition junkie, and 1v1ing is the best way for me to accurately feel someone.

[Pretentious]

im open for elimination tomorrow but Boon won't self vote like he does as town b/c he's not town and he's trying to get out of an elimation.

I’m not gonna hammer myself, dummy, lol.

[Pretentious]

Exactly. Scum Me is incredibly consistent.

But how are we supposed to know if you aren't just pulling this logic straight from your ass? Can anyone confirm that this line is true, do you have meta to hold it up?

Yes. Do you want me to link multiple scenarios of my sociopathic insanity of my scum games?

Nero could back it up, he just actively isn’t.

Gamma can back it up for me.

ABR might be able to, but idk.

[Pretentious]

and therein lies the difference. As town you self vote. And you won't do that here so...

Go check when I self voted. Show me one other place I’ve self voted at the end rather than the beginning or middle.

Back up what you say, I dare you.

[Pretentious]

im open for elimination tomorrow but Boon won't self vote like he does as town b/c he's not town and he's trying to get out of an elimation.

This makes zero sense. Self-Preservation is NAI!!!!

I'm town and I don't wanna get yeeted!
Wolves don't wanna get yeeted either! Both factions want to win!

Stop making claims like this as if they are AI

He’s scum. Like I guarantee you, he is scum.

[Pretentious]

I’ve modded Nero in many games, I can soul read his scum game at this point.

[Pretentious]

The game I won the modding award for Game of the Year was a 23 person game. It ended with 1 player alive after 10 Day Phases.

That player was Scum Nero.

[Pretentious]

You guys are acting like him being town read heavy Day 1 makes him town.

[Pretentious]

thats just busy work. There are at least 2 players here from MBOS of silver that knew you self voted b/c you didn't give a shit.

here you give a shit and I think thats b/c u r scum.

I’m not gonna hammer myself.

If I have like 3-4 votes on me, I will self vote. So let’s do that to prove it then, shall we

[Pretentious]

Nero’s got one thing he’s trying to use in the MBOS and just aimlessly shouting scum.

That is a scum tell.

[Pretentious]

A general one, not player specific.

[Pretentious]

I am town, and I never claim VT in the situation I was in if I wasn’t actually a VT.

[Pretentious]

Are you saying I don’t get frustrated as scum?

[Pretentious]

Because I can send you a game I got force replaced for being toxic as scum.

I was pissed.

[Pretentious]

And let’s be honest, I’m always survivalistic.

[Pretentious]

And I was actively frustrated earlier.

Me getting insanely condescending is the step right before I blow a gasket.

[Pretentious]

Less frustrated now that I see Nero is obv scum.

[Pretentious]

If I were scum here, someone would have came to my defense a long time ago.

I did this all by myself, i am town.

[Pretentious]

it was prob a game I wasn't in. I'm just saying that in w/e mini we were in and MBOS you got extremely annoyed that you were ran up. Here you don't seem that way and are just trying to talk your way out of it.

I actively wasnt, though.

I gave my intent to hammer myself, I just wanted some discussion beforehand, which you were actively trying to stop.

[Pretentious]

I’m in the game now, I’m not gonna hammer myself.

[Pretentious]

I’m slightly leaning more on Flavour scum as my personal meta has Nero acting like this as town while Pretentious has acted like this as scum.

To be fair, I am pretty great at mimicking my town meta, so this again makes sense coming from a townNorwegian mindset.

[Pretentious]

Norwwegian is also probably town because if she were scum, she’d be more likely to abuse the pocket I’m willfully giving her.

[Pretentious]

Lol, i literally quick hammer in every game I’ve ever played in. (Not literally, but like maybe) lol

That’s really what you’re going with.

[Pretentious]

I think it's pretty obvious I'm town but if ppl want to scum read me that's fine but I think it's only fair that Boon flips first.

I think it’s beyond obvious that I am town.

Like I said, we have a while before the day is up. No harm in using that time.

Let me talk with Taylor and Gamma.

[Pretentious]

I’m sorry, absolutely no way would I ever claim VT as scum here, and let that be a lesson to all of you in this game.

[Pretentious]

Oooohh is that a threat?

sure. If Boon flips scum I think you make a ton of sense as a Boon buddy.

If they were a Boon Buddy I’d have made sure they made those posts a long time ago.

You’re just setting up chain misfades and discredit attempts because they see you’re scum here now too.

@Norewegian - this is Day 1. Easiest day to fake meta.

[Pretentious]

Can we get votes on Nero if only to see where buddies start to defend or discredit us?

[Pretentious]

for one thing you arent really giving reasons why everyone else is excluded from the PoE.

this just feels like taylor crying that I'm getting too close to her team and taking away her miselimination options.

you even seem to be recycling some of the same reads

Why can't I scumread you? Why is it impossible that you rolled scum again? PPL scum read me over and over again and they aren't scum. Why does me scum reading you again make me scum?

like a scumread on me you havent really explained yet

I very much did. LAL?

Been discrediting Taylor for a while.

Actually, they’ve been discrediting a lot of people all game while being considered near the top of the pile.

Also, where did their Muh read go?

[Pretentious]

Can we get votes on Nero if only to see where buddies start to defend or discredit us?

No hold on! You are not town read yet buddy!

Remember that list you made?

Taking out Nero because you obviously can't be objective about him right now, who is most likely to be partners with Nero IF he was scum in this game.

I didn’t ask you to town read me, I asked for votes on Nero.

I am now looking for partners of Nero, and that’s why I want the votes on the Nero.

I feel like there’s probably 1 more on that list, maybe ABR, but I’m faded this day phase 100% of the time if ABR and Nero are scum together.

[Pretentious]

So much for the self-vote announcement.

Actually, No Power is likely a partner for sure.

[Pretentious]

Extremely weird interactions that guy had with me. He was just trying to trigger me, and that’s what set up my condescending nature that almost lead to the temper tantrum Nero talks about.

He disappeared after Nero came in. They tag teamed.

[Pretentious]

I’ve modded Nero in many games, I can soul read his scum game at this point.

Can you quote 10 significant Nero quotes from scum PT's that would be useful for us?

Speak of the beetle juice by the way

[Pretentious]

does town!FL OMGUS?

More than scumFL.

[Pretentious]

The majority of my town play is OMGUS

[Pretentious]

Votes on Nero.

I promise something cool will happen around vote 4 or 5

[Pretentious]

does town!FL OMGUS?

Town can OMGUS

OMGUS just means you target the person who targeted you day play wise.

[Pretentious]

Oh my god u suck

[Pretentious]

Oh, i thought you had a question mark at the end of that mb

[Pretentious]

I don’t lose scum games where I’m the first scum out anyways, so even if I were scum, which I’m not, you wouldn’t want to fade me here

[Pretentious]

how is OMGUSing pro town?

How is it pro scum?

[Pretentious]

I promise something cool will happen around vote 4 or 5

is it that your team will dogpile on me?

Nah, your team will make sure a new wagon happens.

[Pretentious]

Like I’m saying, the VT claim never comes from a scum player who abuses setup spec as much as I do.

[Pretentious]

I don’t lose scum games where I’m the first scum out anyways, so even if I were scum, which I’m not, you wouldn’t want to fade me here

Omg, this is exactly what you said when you flipped scum in large 224 i think it was.

Ive said it as town too.

I believe it, though.
It’s just one oF those things I say every game, so that ones pretty NAI.

It’s just a poking the bear line.

[Pretentious]

how is OMGUSing pro town?

How is it pro scum?

Because you are more insterested in your own survival than scumhunting.

To be fair, i can’t scum hunt if I can’t survive.

I’ve also found scum already, so more than you can say.

[Pretentious]

I promise something cool will happen around vote 4 or 5

is it that your team will dogpile on me?

Nah, your team will make sure a new wagon happens.

my team is 12 players big so it's too big to be the scum team.

TMI on how many scum players there are.

[Pretentious]

Norwegian might be scum, I guess, fueling the fire. I’ve started to see them as less genuine. They’re playing a neutral ground scum, but they are definitely helping push me.

[Pretentious]

I'll self vote if you flip town.

This is only a thing scum should say.

[Pretentious]

I'm a very good scum hunter, thank you.

We must have a big difference on our definition of “very good”.

“I’m very good at occasionally eating breakfast.” Good for you?

[Pretentious]

I promise something cool will happen around vote 4 or 5

is it that your team will dogpile on me?

Nah, your team will make sure a new wagon happens.

my team is 12 players big so it's too big to be the scum team.

TMI on how many scum players there are.

how many scum do YOU think are in a 17 player?

4 or 5, it’s in that middle ground.

You know you just scum slipped there, but it’s not like that’ll actually be used as a reason.

[Pretentious]

I think NoPower is probably town after thinking about it.

The fact I town read Norwegian probably means she’s scum trying to get town read and push the fade through.

[Pretentious]

I'm a very good scum hunter, thank you.

We must have a big difference on our definition of “very good”.

“I’m very good at occasionally eating breakfast.” Good for you?

have you even meta'd me or are you just making stupid statements?

Who are you?

[Pretentious]

I’m also undefeated on Pretentious.

If you think I risk my scum undefeated on them by actively not playing, based on what you know of my cocky arrogance, how does that make sense?

[Pretentious]

ok, arguing with Boon is just adding unneeded fluff to the game so im going to step back. He's scum vote him.

Nah, I’m blatant town.

Fade through Nero then Norwegian 100% of the time if I am faded.

[Pretentious]

I think NoPower is probably town after thinking about it.

The fact I town read Norwegian probably means she’s scum trying to get town read and push the fade through.

Note that Nero decided to want to stop conversation after I pushed Norwegian and stated NoPower is probably town.

Nero has been actively trying to disrupt communication since I came into this game.

[Pretentious]

Not replaced in, when i started posting.

[Pretentious]

All I want is to talk with Taylor and Gamma, yet Nero is trying to make sure I get pushed through before that happens.

[Pretentious]

Guillotina town
No power town

Nero scum
Norwegian scum

[Pretentious]

It's also stalling your flip. Like there's 0 reason why you should live after today.

Unvote.

Sure, I’ll die. Let me talk to Taylor and Gamma first.

You unvoting does nothing but let’s me talk more, and i am town. If you are town, you would allow it but you actively want to make sure I can’t discuss.

You are actively trying to oppress anything because it will cause you to be caught out the longer it goes.

Townie perspective should never feel the need to rush right here.

[Pretentious]

Look, past 20 pages, I got this game now. I’m in it.

[Pretentious]

I mean props for trying to stay alive but if you were town I think you'd understand why it's best you die.

You think selfish town me would sit and take the fade?

[Pretentious]

I want you to say that out loud, Nero.

[Pretentious]

Now I'm being pocketed.

Shush up. We’re both town, accept it.

[Pretentious]

Now unvote

[Pretentious]

I don't think you are selfish town, I think you are scum.

I think you know I am town here.

There’s no reason you should be stating you would self vote as town.

You should know that never would i still be this close to fade if I were actually scum here.

Norwegian is trying to push through my fade as well, which is why she is caught out scum too.

You also actively avoided talking to Norwegian during this time.

[Pretentious]

It's also stalling your flip. Like there's 0 reason why you should live after today.

Too bad you are not both judge and executioner Nero, we the villagers are.

I’m worried this is scum because they just pocketed me so hard the past few pages, but like, I’m actively sitting in your pocket now.

I got No Power in mine, so it’s a party here.

[Pretentious]

It's also stalling your flip. Like there's 0 reason why you should live after today.

Too bad you are not both judge and executioner Nero, we the villagers are.

I'm allowed to have an opinion. My vote and voice carries just as much weight as yours does.

That’s why I know you are scum, because you can easily allow for a simple discussion to happen. I was plenty okay going down today, until you actively tried to make sure no discussion was possible.

How’d that work out for you?

[Pretentious]

im in no way preventing you from talking to anyone but then again you are also just scum thats adding chaos and confusion

I agree with this. I didn’t say you were stopping it.

I said you were trying. ;P

[Pretentious]

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

GOTTEM

[Pretentious]

Also note again the lack of responding to the Norwegian.

[Pretentious]

Statement* ^

[Pretentious]

Nero and Norwegian

They are scum

They keep pushing

But they’ll look dumb

Nero and Norwegian

Scummy as can be

Please just fade them

After they fade me.

[Pretentious]

Honestly, someone should just investigate me and clear me.

[Pretentious]

Honestly, someone should just investigate me and clear me.

I'd rather attempt red checks than green checks, why wouldn't you?

A Green check on a VT is stronger than a red check on scum.

[Pretentious]

I'd rather Pretentious show me he's town than tell me he's town but he's not.

ScumMe would show you I am town.

TownMe tells you I am town.

[Pretentious]

That’s why I win games a scum, and get discredited from all over as town.

[Pretentious]

My play alone has caused multiple pages of discussion worth analyzing, and I feel I’ve explained extremely strongly why I am going to flip town, so I have also done my job in that regard.

Now basically, you have a choice, flip a misfade, or vote elsewhere.

you read these pages at least, what do you make of them?

I have commented everything in real time in regards to my thoughts right now. Just read the pages to know what I make them.

Nero and Norwegian are scum.

You can take that to the bank.

[Pretentious]

@Taylor - why would I ever claim VT as scum here?

From the little you’ve played with me, i feel like you should already know that is not in my MO.

[Pretentious]

i just Need you to see that, make the statement, and if you still don’t see that I’m town, I’ll just know that you’re scum here or can’t read me, which will be added to my meta knowledge of you here.

[Pretentious]

I don’t know nearly half the game.

This game has significantly less players i know than I am used to.

[Pretentious]

Then play like it.

If you were more experienced, you’d already see the benefits of my last few pages.

People were acting like I wasnt getting upset, look how condescending I got, lol

[Pretentious]

Never mind, i do know over half the game.

But like, i wouldn’t say i know most of the players that overly well

[Pretentious]

UNVOTE: Pretentious

Tell me why do you scum read the players of that list you made

The speed of my wagon means someone on the scum team saw an opening to get me, a well known player on site who has loads of setup design, review knowledge, and play experience, taking advantage of me being on a lesser known weird post style alt, someone who knows me helped give momentum to my wagon because I am a fantastic day 1 misfade for scum even though I haven’t been playing.

If you knew me, you’d know I love to lurk out as town until late game n then solve.

I once rolled a whole game, and then stopped trolling to solve the game.

Gamma and Nero are the 2 players who know me the most, so I guarantee you a scum is in one of the two.

This answer is worth nothing to someone who does not know you. Tell me why people in your list could be scum based just on this game, disregard meta.

Like it or not, personal relationships are part of the game.

I know for a fact scum is within someone who knows me.

Quicker you learn this, the better off you’ll be for it.

yeah but you know nearly half the game so it isnt a bold claim exactly to say that theres a scumbutt who knows you

Knows me in a specific way, if that makes sense.

Like knows me, not just knows of me.

[Pretentious]

Like the way to get me faded knows me, the way to make me act in specific ways knows me.

I don’t personally think you do, but i think you might think you do, which is why you were on the list, and that’s the case with a couple others.

[Pretentious]

VOTE: Pretentious
Yeah tbh the thing Guillo quoted seems super out-of-character for boon, and I agree it looks scummy for that and in general

I role play like Jonah from Superstore on this account.

It still seems off for you personally to make a big deal of not being caught up. Why’s it matter?

I was just having fun typing like that because Superstore Season 6 is fire right now, and the new episode comes out tonight, and had nothing else to say.

Plus, I was trying to bait people onto me to get me into the game and find scum that way.

[Pretentious]

VOTE: Pretentious
Yeah tbh the thing Guillo quoted seems super out-of-character for boon, and I agree it looks scummy for that and in general

I role play like Jonah from Superstore on this account.

It still seems off for you personally to make a big deal of not being caught up. Why’s it matter?

I was just having fun typing like that because Superstore Season 6 is fire right now, and the new episode comes out tonight, and had nothing else to say.

Plus, I was trying to bait people onto me to get me into the game and find scum that way.

Does this seem off? Because I feel this is classic mothafuckingconftownBoon.

Been a bit since i made that comment.

[Pretentious]

My guy.

ScumABR never unvotes here.

I want to point out that he’s, I have set traps for every single player that I know well in this game.

That was exactly what I expected townABR to do.

[Pretentious]

He might vote me again, which is fine, but I think he is town.

[Pretentious]

I’m actually content now, we can fade me.

I’m neutral with Gamma, Taylor still. They’re playing passive, i doubt both are ever scum here.

I’m not 100% positive with ScumNero, it’s day 1, you shouldn’t expect people to be 100%. Norwegian is probably my top scum read right now.

VOTE: Norwegian

Based on the manner they were both actively trying to stay town read and push through me fast.

[Pretentious]

Nero is still my second scum read.

Guilla, ABR, No Power town reads.

[Pretentious]

Nero Cain, muh316, Tayl0r Swift, Gamma Emerald,

One of those are scum with Norwegian likely. The remainder of my wagon.

[Pretentious]

At least 1*.

[Pretentious]

You owed me one for replacing out of my game and then paid me back by replacing into my slot in Lillith's bastard game

Yeah, what a dead slot. I went full open wolf, but I thought someone was gonna get brought down with me at least.

[Pretentious]

If ABR is scum, i totally just gave him the game

[Pretentious]

Worth it!!!

[Pretentious]

thoughts on Nero?

He’s gonna push you as my buddy.

[Pretentious]

For you, Nero.

VOTE: Pretentious

[Pretentious]

VOTE: Norwegian

Now let’s fade scum.

[Pretentious]

Such timing

[Pretentious]

the thing is when you flip scum everyone that unvoted you looks bad. Now you can certainly make the argument that players that unvoted you are more likely to be uninformed of your alignment while scum would be more likely to vote their buddy going down. I just don't think its the wisest play to just discount everyone that unvotes you.

I’m not discounting everyone that unvotes me.

I’m discounting ABR for unvoting me.

[Pretentious]

the thing is when you flip scum everyone that unvoted you looks bad. Now you can certainly make the argument that players that unvoted you are more likely to be uninformed of your alignment while scum would be more likely to vote their buddy going down. I just don't think its the wisest play to just discount everyone that unvotes you.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=83046

Flavor Leaf hammered his own townread in this game and I know he does it as part of his gimmick. Anybody who plays with him also knows this meta. How many games have you played with him?

Day 1 I don’t like to put high high stock into my reads to avoid the tunnel, so I like to move past Day 1 is all.

This is mainly just a Day 1, possibly Day 2 if necessary thing, for anyone who wants to push it as anti town. I have a tendency to town read the main wagons even if they are scum.

[Pretentious]

That last post is another reason why I’m comfortable calling ABR town. My style effected him, and nearly lost him the game.

He also knows that if I were scum here, I’d be pigeonholed, so I think we are going to end up with an incredibly strong town duo in the 2 of us that scum will have to kill off.