I already answered that and that's all you are getting for now.In post 2329, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Nice, what were your takeaways?
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There is ample evidence that he is a threat to Town's wincon.In post 2355, NoPowerOverMe wrote:We are going to get a lot more info in the long run by keeping Pretentious around for the time being weather he's town or scum. Also if he's town he can help us much more than other players. It doesn't make sense to eliminate players that can help us down the road on a hunch without ample evidence on a whim.- Guillotina
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HARDCLAIM!!! I GOT A RED CHECK!!
My vote against Pretentious was intentional! I read into his strategy as town martyr and I played along!
I knew that the game was going to be manipulated by this scum into eliminating a lurker that would provide no info! There was resistance into believing Nero Cain was mafia as he had taken control of the room with some serious power wolfing and Pretentious quickhammer stunt discredited him greatly. So I took control of his yeet and made the optimal play of fading him as his dead would provide us the most info, which is what he intended to begin with!
I can see them laughing at this "noob" while I did that!LOLWOLVES!
(Pretentious picked up on my play and helped me sell it! I knew he did when he made references about "God of Mafia", everyone thought he was talking about himself but he was communicating with me).
HARDCLAIM!!! I'M A 2-SHOT ALIGNMENT COP WITH A BULLETPROOF VEST!!! THE BULLETPROOF VEST WAS USED LAST NIGHT AS SOMEONE TARGETED ME!
I gambled claiming an ascetic modifier counting on scum's arrogance to not NK me just because I was no PR but it didn't work as it seems.
THIS ALSO MEANS THAT THEY GOTTA BE A COUPLE OF VIGILANTES OUT THERE!
My redcheck is in this groupand I strongly believe that his partners could be in this group too
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Yah, what's funny IV?In post 2422, innocentvillager wrote:lol- Guillotina
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I got two more theoriesIn post 2438, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Guillotina might have just saved the game. I would not have expected Nero to NK a perfect pocket like Norwee, but I guess he figured sooner or later Norwee would turn on him and he had to act first.
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1) Norwee was not killed by scum
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Yes or Town vigilante, Norwee looked too invested into believing Nero and Gamma were town, maybe the town vig saw what I saw and took a gamble and hit friendly.In post 2442, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Serial killer confirmed then- Guillotina
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In post 2444, Albert B. Rampage wrote:We yeet Nero and then we yeet his buddy Non Imh
Mafia is easy kids
We won't rush yeeting Nero though! We'll give him the time to try defend himself, something he was not willing to do for Pretentious.
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In post 2377, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Just take it as respect for your scum game bro.Why did you really hammer Pretentious?
Why were you so strongly sure that Pretentious was the wrong yeet?In post 2378, NoPowerOverMe wrote:I strongly implore town to rethink pretentious.- Guillotina
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Why did you call Pretentious posts spam?In post 2394, Umlaut wrote:The more Pretentious spams the thread about how getting eliminated was all part of his galaxy-brain 11-dimensional chess strategy, the happier I am that he won't be in the game tomorrow.
Now that you saw he flipped town, do you still think his posts were spam or maybe accurate reads from a 11-dimensional chess strategy good player?- Guillotina
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What kind of code is that, if I may know?In post 2464, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I don't think it's sportsmanlike to leave people who are inevitably going to be the lynch alive. It goes against my code.
You know that if Pretentious would have been kept alive more, there would have been more interactions with him and we'd gotten more info out of it.
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Does someone got meta on this player.In post 2465, Insanoflex wrote:Hey all. Still reading up on the game, only about halfway through right now. Might need another day to get fully caught up, trying to speedskim through the game in 24 hours gave me a headache.- Guillotina
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Well then it sucks for him because without meta, I'll have to solve him based on the actions of this slot during Day 1.In post 2468, innocentvillager wrote:
probably freaking out in the scum pt lol, that’s what I’d be doingGuillotina wrote:Where are you Nero??
Come here to be judged!
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If Nero was Miller the right mechanical play was to claim at start of Day 1, which he didn't.In post 2469, innocentvillager wrote:to be clear, in normals there is no chance of a guilty cop check on an innocent unless they are miller right? So given guil is truthful and Nero is not Miller, he is CONFIRMED scum?
Also, I never said that my check was on him or not, I only said that I got a redcheck and that redcheck was in the list I posted, did you just slip up?
VOTE: InnocentVillager
Now, you gotta tell me why did you "laugh" at the start of Day 2. Did you expect me turn up dead or something?
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Same for youIn post 2438, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Guillotina might have just saved the game. I would not have expected Nero to NK a perfect pocket like Norwee, but I guess he figured sooner or later Norwee would turn on him and he had to act first.
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Why are you voting Nero?In post 2477, Albert B. Rampage wrote:same for me what- Guillotina
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Don't answer a question with a question.In post 2479, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Why are you voting Nero?
I posted a whole analysis on Nero where the result is that he was scum. My vote on him was a clear push on that.
I need to solve your slot as you are the most likely to be town but there is a chance you might have hard pocketed Pretentious.
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I'm out of my mind alright. Maybe I'm wrong maybe I'm not.In post 2483, innocentvillager wrote:
also if you think my "lol" in-thread was scum!indicative for this reason you are out of your mind lmaoIn post 2480, innocentvillager wrote:Did you expect me turn up dead or something?
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So you plan to sheep me all day? You are the player with most experience here, if you are town I don't need you to sheep me, I need you to hunt with me. Just cause I got a red check it does not mean I red checked the entire mafia.In post 2484, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
That was unreadable. Check out Mastin's guide on charisma and presentation.In post 2482, Guillotina wrote:
Don't answer a question with a question.In post 2479, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Why are you voting Nero?
I posted a whole analysis on Nero where the result is that he was scum. My vote on him was a clear push on that.
I need to solve your slot as you are the most likely to be town but there is a chance you might have hard pocketed Pretentious.
So, again. Why are you voting Nero?
I voted Nero because you voted Nero, obviously. What kind of question is that?- Guillotina
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I am going to claim it at some point, just not now, I want the wolves paranoid, not knowing what to do, not knowing whom to bus to look town.In post 2488, innocentvillager wrote:if you tell us who you redchecked we could probably hunt easier though? im not sure what your whole plan is with when you are going to claim it but you are going to have to claim it at some point- Guillotina
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Why do you wanna find out if I still have a BPV?In post 2506, Umlaut wrote:So, I've got a big problem with Guillotina's claim and it seems almost so obvious that I feel like I must be missing something here since everyone else believes it.
I am not aware of any normal role that would know if they were targeted for a kill at night but survived. Under Normal rules, a 1-Shot Bulletproof shouldn't be informed if they were shot at.In post 2436, Guillotina wrote:HARDCLAIM!!! I'M A 2-SHOT ALIGNMENT COP WITH A BULLETPROOF VEST!!! THE BULLETPROOF VEST WAS USED LAST NIGHT AS SOMEONE TARGETED ME!
I gambled claiming an ascetic modifier counting on scum's arrogance to not NK me just because I was no PR but it didn't work as it seems.
THIS ALSO MEANS THAT THEY GOTTA BE A COUPLE OF VIGILANTES OUT THERE!
Another question:
If you targeted someone and therefore knew they were guilty, why would you give us a list like this? If you out and tell us who is guilty, that makes sense. If you wait until later today to out, so that you can see how the day proceeds naturally and how wagons form, that makes sense. But what sense does it make to say "I checked one of these six people"? Including putting one and saying they'reMy redcheck is in this groupand I strongly believe that his partners could be in this group too
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Let's hunt scum!not as likely... that pretty much gives away that ABR wasn't your target. What even is this claim?
I lied, I still have it. I wanted to lure mafia into wasting their NK on me but I guess this works too.
My bulletproof vest will work against one attack, if scum wants me out, they'll have to destroy the BPV first.
Do you want a red check claimed now Umlaut? if you are town you'd see that NOT revealing it now is the best play. As of now, I know who is the wolf and they don't know who I checked and right now they don't know what strategy to form and I'll keep it that way. Their only play to not knowing is to try to discredit me like they tried to discredit Pretentious!
I gave you a list like this because that is the list of people I suspect with incriminating ties to the redcheck and if I'm right, I want the wolves to feel despair with not knowing whom of them is outed. I don't believe I have all scum in that list, but I believe that I got at least two.
I will reveal who is the red check towards EoD, I will not let an unconfirmed player die instead of my red check. We are gonna milk this awesome situation for us until we are comfortable with our reads and then fade the outed wolf.
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Because I got a red check and I got one more check on, after that I'm just a vanilla.In post 2510, NoPowerOverMe wrote:Why would a cop claim on d2?- Guillotina
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It sounds like Out Of Character emotional distress which should be treated as NAI.In post 2502, innocentvillager wrote:
i hate to be that guy, but like, this seems like outside of scum!emotional scumrange, im inclined to hard TR gamma for itIn post 2413, Gamma Emerald wrote:Actually fuck off. Our friendship is over.- Guillotina
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All of this effort trying to discredit a dead vanilla is quite something!In post 2424, Nero Cain wrote:Boon should stick to modding until he learns how to play. Mafia, more so as town than scum (imo), is a team game and Boon is clearly incapable of playing with a team. He's immature and impulsive. Boon is an antisocial narcissistic with the social intelligence of a domestic turkey. I don't really believe his song and dance about being a "heel" or intentionally trying to get lynched. It feels like he's making excuses for poor play and just doesn't want to accept responsibility for his actions. His belief that the three biggest voices against him (me, norway and Gamma) all being scum and those defending him (ABR, NPOM, Guil) were town is just bad surface level play. His elimination was good as town may finally scumhunt.
Knowing that Boon and I were TvT it would make sense to WANT to keep Boon and I around b/c our 1v1 would eat up all the attention and prevent us from scumhunting. This is the conclusion Boon should have reached but he has neither the skill nor the humility to do as such.
VOTE: Nero Cain
Why would eliminate from here?
Be as detailed as possible: DrippingGoofball, Glitch, innocentvillager, May, NoPowerOverMe, ABR- Guillotina
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Just because you don't believe it, it does not mean is not true.
Yah push on the cop! It makes you look good!- Guillotina
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I made you a question! Why were you strongly town reading Pretentious?In post 2518, NoPowerOverMe wrote:afaik Bulletproof's are not informed of when they are attacked.
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Yah you are the scum, you know very well that Pretentious and I hardcore suspected Nero so my push on him is nothing new, i dont want Nero to get yeeted soon cause it will end the day before we can get more info. Your pattern to end the day sooner than it should is there, this is your first red flag.In post 2523, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Ok so something doesn't sit right with me.
Guillotine says he was shot, making it 2 kills last night, and then he takes it back when TGP, umlaut and NPOM catch him in a lie because limited-shot BPs are not told they lost a BP counter.
He tells us to scumhunt but it's critical that town knows how many kills there were last night in order to make an informed analysis.
Now here's what's interesting.
If he backtracks and says he wasn't told he was shot, then that leaves the door open for only one kill last night. Guillotine, since he's gambitting, would have known this.
So his Nero push is completely nonsensical.
Nero pocketed Norwee, why would he kill him if he's scum?
Why would Nero pick up on Glitch/DGB day 2 right where Norwee left off, if Norwee was killed to prevent him from going after his secondary reads after Pretentious?
It doesn't stand to reason that Nero would kill Norwee who believed him to be town, just to finish off what Norwee was going to do anyway.
But Guillotina brushes my concerns off and tries to make me believe there were two kills.
This whole Nero push was bullshit, he backtracked and said it's not Nero, it's one of the other players on his list, and was forced to retract his BP lie as well.
Guillotina is scum.
VOTE: Guillotina
Two, Pretentious also said there is a chance you pocketed him and I agree.
Three, Lying is not alignment indicative and you know this, so pushing me because i lied is scummy. Town can lie to lure wolves out and as a cop i lie to catch them. Don't yeet another town if you are town, this time is not a vanilla but a PR.- Guillotina
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I lied about knowing it, in fact i dont know if i still have it or not. My plan is to lure wolves to attempt a NK on me and fail or not attempt it at all cause they'd be afraid to waste their shot.In post 2526, NoPowerOverMe wrote:Explain how you know you used your bulletproof?
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Ok. Thank you.In post 2528, NoPowerOverMe wrote:I've already explained it:
1) Early day 1 wagons are almost always town.
2) Hyper posters are usually town
3) Pretentious was being logical even under pressure
4) I believe his wagon was scummy
5) He is a skilled player so weather or not he was town it was best to keep him alive and sort later.
6) VT claims are easy miseliminations.
Pretentious town read you and I know now why.
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I never lied about being shot, i lied about not having my BPV.In post 2531, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Why did he lie about being shot? This lie isn't intended for the scum, it's solely intended for the town. Scum know who they shot already. So the deception is not designed to provoke scum, since they are fully aware, its only purpose is to derail town analysis.
Town can lie and retract. I retracted about my BPV and explained why i lied. What's the deal? If you are town you'd understand this.- Guillotina
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No! I will not shut up and let wolves take control over the room again.In post 2530, Nero Cain wrote:guil either out your guilty os STFU- Guillotina
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Where did i say that i got shot there?In post 2537, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
This is where he lied about being shot ^In post 2436, Guillotina wrote:I gambled claiming an ascetic modifier counting on scum's arrogance to not NK me just because I was no PR but it didn't work as it seems.
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Unlikely implies improbability, not certainty.In post 2536, Umlaut wrote:
So now you don't think ABR is town (compared to a few hours ago when you said he was "unlikely" to be scum)?In post 2534, Guillotina wrote:If you are town you'd understand this.- Guillotina
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In post 2541, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
You said you banked on the fact that scum wouldn't shoot a claimed ascetic, but then you say it didn't work - ergo they did shoot you after all. Then you push a theory that Norwee was vigged or agree with my serial killer theory. Meaning two kills. Meanwhile you knew there was only one kill because you were never shot.In post 2538, Guillotina wrote:
Where did i say that i got shot there?In post 2537, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
This is where he lied about being shot ^In post 2436, Guillotina wrote:I gambled claiming an ascetic modifier counting on scum's arrogance to not NK me just because I was no PR but it didn't work as it seems.
THIS ALSO MEANS THAT THEY GOTTA BE A COUPLE OF VIGILANTES OUT THERE!
I did admit it by saying that i dont know if i still have my BPV or not. If you are town, dont contribute to wolves yeeting me as soon as possible, let's use this to our advantage.In post 2540, Umlaut wrote:
These word games are just sad. If you were town you wouldIn post 2538, Guillotina wrote:
Where did i say that i got shot there?In post 2537, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
This is where he lied about being shot ^In post 2436, Guillotina wrote:I gambled claiming an ascetic modifier counting on scum's arrogance to not NK me just because I was no PR but it didn't work as it seems.
THIS ALSO MEANS THAT THEY GOTTA BE A COUPLE OF VIGILANTES OUT THERE!at the absolute minimumadmit that you lied about knowing you had been targeted for a kill last night, instead of arguing semantics.
For the record, in my analysis ABR was scum. When i challenged him to thunderdone on Day 1 and he ignored it, ever since then i was suspicious of him but not more than others so i didnt pursue it.
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Im not giving in to wolves demands.In post 2547, Nero Cain wrote:Guil is just a Boon lvl player that town reads his defenders and scum reads his votes/those calling him scum. I don't really feel like putting up with his nonsence so vote stays till he outs his guilty or stops talking or admits to the gambit.- Guillotina
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Mindmeld, same happened to me with Nero Cain and I made a big analysis on this guy hinting every scummy thing he did.In post 2559, Glitch wrote:
Why? I mean I get that you are SR'ing me but in order to actually respond to that I need to understand why I'm being SR'd and this doesn't really make sense to me. I've been watching FL play in a game I'm modding that just ended and his behavior there has been so well balanced and leveled. He was scum. This game he is cocky and arrogant, and it's a different tone, and he is giving off different vibes which didn't necessarily make me TR him but gave me enough pause to not run him up to the top of my scum radar.In post 2424, Nero Cain wrote:I lowkey think it was less likely that scum were on the Boon wagon.
On the other hand, you have consistently pinged me as off. Is it a coincidence that you TR'd me literally the whole game, and then as soon as I stated that I SR'd you, your read on me immediately flipped and you've SR'd me since?
I'm not trying to get into another death tunnel on you here, Nero, but you're giving me bad vibes here. I'm still only on your 2424 post so I won't vote until I catch up but this is where I want to vote right now.
Of course Glitch. I have a red check and that list of names are people whom I suspect they could be the red check's mafia partners cause of spews or interactions. I will announce the redcheck shortly, but it is really obvious there is no one I suspected me for to check last night than him.In post 2560, Glitch wrote:
tfIn post 2436, Guillotina wrote:My redcheck is in this group and I strongly believe that his partners could be in this group too
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Let's hunt scum!
Can you help me understand how you have a red check in a list of players but it's not specific to one player? tf?
Like I can give you a list of any 6 random players in this game and I would bet you $20 there's scum in it. This is useless. Am I misunderstanding your role? Why 6 players?
This guy can't be scum.In post 2561, Glitch wrote:
Why would voting Nero Cain at the point you posted this, prevent more interactions from happening today? D2 just started; use your vote and make the most of it. We aren't going to lynch that fast. This makes me raise an eyebrow. Are you trying to avoid voting to keep from looking bad? Do you want to avoid being on Nero in case someone later does some VCA? Because the reason you gave for not voting Nero doesn't make sense so there must be another reason that's actually true.In post 2449, DrippingGoofball wrote:Nero Cain needs the YEET but I am not voting right away because we need to see some more interactions today with everyone.
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Of course Glitch. I have a red check and that list of names are people whom I suspect they could be the red check's mafia partners cause of spews or interactions. I will announce the redcheck shortly, but it is really obviousIn post 2560, Glitch wrote:
tfIn post 2436, Guillotina wrote:My redcheck is in this group and I strongly believe that his partners could be in this group too
Nero Cain
Gamma Emerald
Taylor Swift slot
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ABR (not as likely but there are a few things that don't match)
Let's hunt scum!
Can you help me understand how you have a red check in a list of players but it's not specific to one player? tf?
Like I can give you a list of any 6 random players in this game and I would bet you $20 there's scum in it. This is useless. Am I misunderstanding your role? Why 6 players?there is no one I suspected more to check last night than him.[/quote]
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Glitch. It's understandable that town has lost some confidence in me because I lied, I lied about my bulletproof vest being used which I cannot possibly know if it was or not.
I can't think of a possible reason why I wouldn't get killed if scum believed I was an ascetic, so I assumed they tried and my BPV protected me, if not, then I still have it and now they are trying to get me yeeted because otherwise, they'd have to waste a NK just to destroy my vest and not kill me, or if they got a mafia vigilante, then they'd have to use their two night kills (vigi+factional) to get rid of me (in this case I would need extra protection to successfully perform my second check and that is if there is no mafia roleblocker).
That is what is happening right now with the push on me and I'm getting discredited by precisely people from that list. Go figure!
I claimed cop. I got a red check! I still got one more check left!
I dared everyone from my scum list to interact as much as they want, to see whom they'd spew or anti-spew and cross reference it with my red check etc. But guess what? Most of them are silent! That should tell you that I'm on top of their goddamn cake!
On Day 1.
Nero controlled the room! Right now.. he is pretty much gone.
Gamma? nowhere to be found.
Taylor Swift slot said he was going to catch up and I believe it, there is a lot of context to catch up on here so he gets a pass for now.
Umlaut gave me neutral vibes from his interactions but all he did was questioning my motives for lying about the BPV, I was expecting more scumhunt help from him.
InnocentVillager, he raised a flag but I don't suspect him anymore.
ABR sounds legit but he's been pushing me as scum since Day 1 and I have been pushing him as scum since Day 1 as well, so I can't be objective about him. Yes, he is not my red check.
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The second statement was my intention but I mean I don't know for sure, maybe my ascetic claim worked and they didn't target me, but maybe they didn't believe it and they tried.In post 2578, Umlaut wrote:
Please reconcile this with your earlier statement that you claimed asceticIn post 2575, Guillotina wrote:I can't think of a possible reason why I wouldn't get killed if scum believed I was an ascetic, so I assumed they tried and my BPV protected mespecifically to dissuade scum from killing you:In post 2436, Guillotina wrote:I gambled claiming an ascetic modifier counting on scum's arrogance to not NK me just because I was no PR but it didn't work as it seems.
I mean I got pushed a lot for claiming ascetic claim early D1, maybe they didn't believe it and tried to get me yeeted, maybe they smelled something was up with my claim.
The first statement is me considering that my ascetic maybe didn't work. This is me considering all options really.- Guillotina
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You are wrong. I'm a town PR.In post 2579, Umlaut wrote:Or don't bother. You know, because you're scum making it up as you go along.- Guillotina
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What's even more ironic is that I don't believe a single scum is on my wagon.In post 2584, SirCakez wrote:- Guillotina
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Lies. Yeet me if he flips town (he won't)In post 2599, Nero Cain wrote:my post looks funky after Gil is fake claiming a guilty on me but w/e, lynch Guil after I flip town. I'm a VT.- Guillotina
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I'm not a rolecop, that is a mafia role scum!In post 2604, Nero Cain wrote:if you are a rolecop then RC's don't get VT. they get vanilla.- Guillotina
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It's not. Mafia wanna find out the roles to kill town PRs, Town wanna find alignment to kill scum.In post 2607, Gamma Emerald wrote:
This is WRONG!In post 2605, Guillotina wrote:
I'm not a rolecop, that is a mafia role scum!In post 2604, Nero Cain wrote:if you are a rolecop then RC's don't get VT. they get vanilla.- Guillotina
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Best after game post.In post 4306, Cabd wrote:Poor guilty-tina. Got both ends of it between here and xenoblade.- Guillotina
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What do you mean? I dint get it. What template?In post 4349, Vaxkiller wrote:Guil, I just want you to know, we want to use it in good fun, but if you feel differently, I will happily abstain. Id, rather get a chance to play with you instead of using the template. - Guillotina
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