Mini Normal 2180 | Fake Peoples | Endgame

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: Noraa

She's not worth keeping around if I don't roll scum with her so byeee

[Albert B. Rampage]

Noraa you are going down!

[Albert B. Rampage]

I've known VPB from before you were born Noraa, no one's helping you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I senses a threatening presence in the room O_O

T^T vp save me

Link me to the game where you were the last scum left early on and eliminated everyone until lylo.

[Albert B. Rampage]

that game hurt my soul bruh. I'm not linking it -____-

i heard you outperformed all expectations

[Albert B. Rampage]

she lost in lylo

[Albert B. Rampage]

she lost in lylo

bruh I cried so hard over that game. I'm not linking it.

Why did you cry? I heard it was an oscar performance. You were an inch away from winning. You tried so hard. I applaud you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Sircakez you better not scumread me this game.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Anytime you SR me, remember that you are wrong lol

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: abr
I can't be convinced to change this

[Albert B. Rampage]

FOS: Cakez

I said don't SR me. Never mentioned a TR.

[Albert B. Rampage]

They basically mean the same thing...

I didn't do anything to earn a SR. But you twisted that around for your own scummy purposes.

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR, stop tunneling Cakey and engage someone else please. it looks p bad to be having ur own really tunnelly convo on the side with Cakey while all this *gestures vaguely* is all happening.

Can i have my cake and eat it too tho

[Albert B. Rampage]

cuz poor cake is kinda LHF-y from what I know. I've played one game with ABR and got fooled to hell and back by scum!him.

LHF = ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

find a scum and I'll give you a big slice.

Why you gotta slice cakez up... what he do

[Albert B. Rampage]

find a scum and I'll give you a big slice.

Why you gotta slice cakez up... what he do

we don't slice cakey!
we go to the bakery and find a cake.

But cakez IS scum, don't have to find him in no bakery

[Albert B. Rampage]

They basically mean the same thing...

I didn't do anything to earn a SR. But you twisted that around for your own scummy purposes.

Dude get out of here with this
Everybody knows what you meant and you're playing word salad

Bruh you always SR me when I'm town.

That's it! I'm going for you.

VOTE: Cakez

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR seems a little less aggressive than I was expecting. I get that he is going hard against Cakez, but the wording in his posts doesn't really indicate belief.

i am so happy to not have rolled scum with you ngl

hi

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR seems a little less aggressive than I was expecting. I get that he is going hard against Cakez, but the wording in his posts doesn't really indicate belief.

this player list is very ... lower than scary skill level. Fun, nice, chill... I am really enjoying myself

[Albert B. Rampage]

So you've adapted your playstyle? Would you say you would be more fiery as scum here?

this game player list is like baby yoda man. i wanna hug each and every one of you. you are not scary. you make me happy.

[Albert B. Rampage]

hey dont get me wrong, BY is force-sensitive and can wreck fools, but im not afraid of pissing him off, you know? he's a gentle soul. i can be open about who i am. there will be no repercussions

@midway yes, definitely. not a stressful player list.

[Albert B. Rampage]

So why did you go so hard in Revelations? That player list made me happy and you made my scum team go through living hell immediately that game

LOL yeah I fucked shit up that game. I was angry and determined to win. Now I try to be more friendly and help people enjoy the game more. Winning isn't everything, the real joy is in having a good time and meeting new people. Lockdown has been a bitch.

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR's obvious scum when scum, not too worried about him. I'm just hoping DV's town so we can steamroll the scum.

oh, is DV a significant player these days? have you and I played before or do you know me by reputation?

[Albert B. Rampage]

DeasVail

[Albert B. Rampage]

I feel like Noraa is negative utility for town. She is god at mafia and probably trash as town. We should eliminate her just because of that.

[Albert B. Rampage]

you have 8,000 posts and have played several massive games and survived to the end or almost. if it's a lesson you want, i will make it a sharp one that you remember.

[Albert B. Rampage]

cabd is a weak man staring at the end of his shelf life

[Albert B. Rampage]

shut up im getting into character. gotta give the people what they want!

[Albert B. Rampage]

Mastin once made the argument that winning mafia isn't about destroying your opponent with facts and logic, it's about being charismatic and funny.

It would make sense then to just lynch the most charismatic and funny players, or, shall we say, the most dangerous players who can fool the town the longest. You know, as insurance.

[Albert B. Rampage]

shut up im getting into character. gotta give the people what they want!

I'm actually more intrigued to see bizzaro world ABR tbh

OK just for you VPB

ill probably have to do a heel turn when we start losing LMAO

[Albert B. Rampage]

It would make sense then to just lynch the most charismatic and funny players, or, shall we say, the most dangerous players who can fool the town the longest. You know, as insurance.

doing that only proves inability to sort people tho, no?
I have very bad reads but I believe I put in the effort rather than resorting to things like PLs and I believe you show each player respect by putting in that effort. Even if u end up wrong, everyone improves, right?

beautifully said <3

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: Noraa

[Albert B. Rampage]

Nothing too serious yet. You?

Nora's obviously town. Gamma's scummy for supporting votes on me, & unwnd's towny for voting Gamma.

which games have you played with noraa-scum, pray tell?

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: Noraa

I also find this scummy from ABR.

I highly doubt that you can read Noraa, her friendliness is NAI, she seems like she slip by right under your nose if you were an informed cop, and your chainsaw defense of your fake townread screams scum to me.

VOTE: Shoshin

[Albert B. Rampage]

Shosha is first serious vote

[Albert B. Rampage]

Talk to me

[Albert B. Rampage]

Talk to me

hello do you have thoughts about me

No. My scanner hasn't picked anything up.

[Albert B. Rampage]

shoshin is currently somewhat +town over random chance. it's because of nothing specific, but the way she's giving out reads without properly explaining any of them makes me think she's more interested in having thoughts about the game than presenting those thoughts in a way that would earn her townpoints.

Strongly disagree.

[Albert B. Rampage]

is it just her townread of noraa that you think is fake that you find scum!indicative?

Yes. Scum don't scumhunt so they just say x thinks my townread is scum so I scumread x.

[Albert B. Rampage]

it is almost two am, why did this take so long, i want to cry
IS THIS ENOUGH COLOURS?

iconeum

- ico just gives me the same feeling as he did in the last couple of games where we were t/t. i've skimmed autumnal again (the only game where i played against scum!ico), and i just don't think i'm being led astray here?

menalque

- gut-town. if he's scum, i'm likely to get a ~gutping~ in his shitposting with me, and i didn't/don't see it this game. iirc, scum!him also doesn't go "yeah dats is lit just town lol". also, i genuinely smiled when i was typing 452 and thinking how i'm actually scumreading shelly, only to see him vote her in pedits.

bob

- man, rereading bob this game, i'm getting flashbacks to games where my gut was *screaming* at me that bob is town, he started getting shitpushed, i didn't say anything, he got executed, and then he flipped town. and then i felt like a moron.

golden

- he kinda feels like the townie getting scumread for spicy reasons. his posting is fine, his takes are fine. i've read the various cases on him, and just... what? like, do i see a world where golden flips scum? sure. do i think we're likely to be in that world? ...not really, no.

bunno

- i've been trying to be caught up with the new posts as i'm rereading (maybe that's why it's taking me so damn long to write this) and kinda getting mixed vibes from their posts? i like what they're noticing in taylor, i don't get their read on ico because i thought his "read" on menal was clearly a joke?

edit: 1207 just got made. what do you like about his posting on page 32?

edit2: hmm. am i the only one here thinking 832 *really* isn't a post to townread someone over?

battle mage

- i liked the early game ~mindmeld~ on noraa. i don't think i can point to a single post of his and with certainty say "i think this is coming from scum." but the fixation on golden is making me feel... uneasy

noraa

- nada. i just don't know. at moments i feel like they're scum trying to attack me but also being afraid of me (like at the beginning with me not explaining the vote or saying i'm gut scum but that those aren't her actual reads?). at moments they feel like newbtown who doesn't give a damn. at other moments they feel like scum trying to push whatever BS they can.

teacher

- i’m getting the feeling he’s trying to fly under the radar - posts seem like they’re trying really hard to be inoffensive. and I’m also wary of his shade on me/mena reads/interactions.

alonzo

- I really don’t feel good things about his early bob push and/or tunnel, and I’m just confused by the rest of his play? why are you voting BM (who’s a nullread?), and why do you ask people to assume there’s scum on their wagons?

username

- reading through his iso, i actually don't like almost none of his reads? like both golden and bob scumreads feel, er, ~made up~? and the townread on BM for making 832 just feels, for lack of a better word, icky?

taylor

- i realized i've been "waiting" on reading this slot for after her catch up. she said she prefers townhunting to scumhunting, but i'm not sure i'm seeing any? she just feels like throwing shade here and there.

shelly

- fuck me, it's already past one am, i've left rereading this slot last, i do not have the energy for this iso right now
i've already talked about this. other thoughts are that her reads on both me and mena are fishy - town until we start suspecting her. and her reaction to me saying i hadn't asked anyone to vote her just seemed so over the top? and i feel like i can't follow a lot of their thought processes, plus the weird shade on people TRing ico while TRing ico. and calling meta trash when BM was using it to defend taylor but screaming about meta when mena is attacking her.

level-zero-thinking notes being
- shelly/taylor prob not s/s
- shelly/noraa prob not s/s
- actually there's likely a lot of not s/s pairs, what am i doing

lmao

[Albert B. Rampage]

Daitsi puts a lot of effort into his scum game. If they're scum here, we can easily pick apart his buddies and circle back to him at the end.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The effort is commendable but it won't stop me from catching you, so I'm laughing.

[Albert B. Rampage]

We can do this the easy way or the hard way and I know you guys like the latter better, so I will let you guys discuss for a week, and then come back and wrangle the votes I need to kill scum like Shoshin.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: Noraa

I also find this scummy from ABR.

I highly doubt that you can read Noraa, her friendliness is NAI, she seems like she slip by right under your nose if you were an informed cop, and your chainsaw defense of your fake townread screams scum to me.

VOTE: Shoshin

Cakez isn't following this game closely.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Noraa looks like she's freaking out over her scumbuddy getting voted.

"But the first bandwagon of the day is always on town".

Not when I'm in the game. Links available on demand.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Noraa looks like she's freaking out over her scumbuddy getting voted.

"But the first bandwagon of the day is always on town".

Not when I'm in the game. Links available on demand.

link

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 8#p7547538
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=83003

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: shoshin

Why is shoshin scum again?

fake reads

[Albert B. Rampage]

is it just her townread of noraa that you think is fake that you find scum!indicative?

Yes. Scum don't scumhunt so they just say x thinks my townread is scum so I scumread x.

Right here Gamma.

ABR's obvious scum when scum, not too worried about him. I'm just hoping DV's town so we can steamroll the scum.

oh, is DV a significant player these days? have you and I played before or do you know me by reputation?

Nothing too serious yet. You?

Nora's obviously town. Gamma's scummy for supporting votes on me, & unwnd's towny for voting Gamma.

which games have you played with noraa-scum, pray tell?

Also look at all these questions I asked that went unanswered from shosha. Why should anyone answer shosha's questions when they don't answer themselves?

I'm ready to yeet her and end the day.

[Albert B. Rampage]

YEET IT NOW!!!

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR's obvious scum when scum, not too worried about him.

Based off of what game?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Nothing too serious yet. You?

Nora's obviously town. Gamma's scummy for supporting votes on me, & unwnd's towny for voting Gamma.

which games have you played with noraa-scum, pray tell?

Bad question.

This isn't an answer.

YEET IT WITH FIRE

[Albert B. Rampage]

IDGAF what Shoshin claims I am counterclaiming and giving her the flip

[Albert B. Rampage]

Final reads list thanks

[Albert B. Rampage]

Shoshin thinks that she has to act like "she doesn't care" as scum and that will get her through the day. It's ridiculously transparent. Caught scum doesn't understand why she's caught. We eject her and bask in the towncred tomorrow. First round of drinks on me, everyone!

[Albert B. Rampage]

final reads list before you get the yeet

[Albert B. Rampage]

If you're town, ABR, you're embarrassing yourself right now.

town in this position usually at least suspect me to be scum btw

[Albert B. Rampage]

somebody L-1 Shoshin so I can counterclaim whatever bullshit she spews

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm waiting for DV & Icon to join the game. Both are at least somewhat familiar with my meta & should confirm what I'm saying about my play. The fact that Gamma & Nora aren't helping me out more is concerning. They're currently my top suspects, though I'm not sure. I'd imagine at least one of the votes on me is coming from scum, but I find it difficult to sort through that when all the votes are this bad. Datisi votes me because I didn't want to talk about his fake-feeling posts, and SirCake/VPB/ABR vote me for things I do every game as town.

Don't buy into her self-meta drivel.

He feels scummy, is one reason.

Why

I'm not the best at explaining feelings. Let's just say that I have an intuition for Wisdom's alignment from reading lots of his games.

Look at Shoshin pulling the same crap as scum in Baton Pass ^

I think my D2 reads are not worse than yours, on average, and I think I'm more likely to win for town at LYLO than you.

"oh you shouldn't lynch me, I am so much better than everyone here at finding scum" -Shoshin-scum

You're not fooling anybody, your scum game is trash just like your town game.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Final reads list thanks

Dude Shoshin’s like L-4
Shut it rn.

Who told you that you're allowed to disrespect? Are you going to apologize? No, you're won't. Because you're rude, and confused, or scum.

L-2

Shoshin (5) : Albert B. Rampage ; VP Baltar ; SirCakez ; Datisi ; Innocentvillager Exe-2

[Albert B. Rampage]

We still need to hear from Iconeum, after that I wouldn’t mind ending the day. And as for the point at hand, Idont think those are “fake reads”, but something definitely looks fake there.

wtf. we are like 3 days into day 1. what's the rush about?

Scum is found. Only the buddies want to desperately move the town's attention. Bus and have a chance later or die like your friend.

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR give me a case on Shoshin. A quick "she gives fake reads" really doesn't cut it. She has not played out of her town range atm so I do not understand what u are seeing.

You're a noob. My bandwagon is made up of the best players in the game minus Gamma who thinks Shoshin is at L-4, which tells you how much attention he's paying.

Albert B. Rampage
VP Baltar
SirCakez
Datisi
Innocentvillager

Literally the 5 best players in the game screaming at you to vote scum and you're out here NOOOO ITS TOOO EARLYYYY TO VOTE SCUUUUUMMMM

[Albert B. Rampage]

Noraa you thought I was conftown in a game where I was obvscum. You're a genius at scum but you're really bad at town. You're probably scum here trying to bail out your buddy and I respect your hustle but it's not gonna work ok?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Everyone on the Shoshin wagon better give me some solid reasons they are on it cuz trust me, if this ends up flipping green, tomorrow I am gonna find out which one of u scumbuckets was the scum pushing her wagon.

I take 100% responsibility for the Shoshin flip.

[Albert B. Rampage]

tsk tsk this is how u treat newbies here.

Yep you are a noob. You admit it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

discrediting people who vote you by implying they’re scum

I didn't say anyone was scummy for voting me. I said that voting me during RVS isn't reason to read someone as town. I was questioning your thought process, not the person who voted me. Why would voting me be towny? It still doesn't make sense to me.

Toto, I've got a feeling we're not in RVS anymore...

[Albert B. Rampage]

tsk tsk this is how u treat newbies here.

Yep you are a noob. You admit it.

When I say im a noob, ur like "nope 8000 posts. Noraa shut up"
now, in order to discredit me, u call me a noob.
don't be a hypocrite.

This is where you're wrong. I never contradicted your claim of being a noob. You are a noob with 8,000 posts, it's nothing to be proud of. But your scum game is epic tho. Respect.

[Albert B. Rampage]

ayt town we can have a toxic game that has 40 pages of this circlejerking or we can flip Shoshin right here right now

midway I am counting on you

Gamma get your head outta your ass

Ico get the hammer ready

[Albert B. Rampage]

I want the claim, put her at L-1 with 1 more vote thx

[Albert B. Rampage]

Look, I'm not changing my vote for the rest of the day. I'm going to be a broken record. It will be annoying.

We are all better off if we yeet shoshin and get an early win for town.

I'm not a vig this game so I am looking forward to your cooperation everyone

[Albert B. Rampage]

The conversation of 'is there scum on Shoshin's wagon' is something I'd like to direct to everyone who passes by, because the obvious answer to me is yes

No. Her scumbuddies are defending her.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Let me tell you a secret. Scum NEVER BELIEVE IN THE FIRST BANDWAGON OF THE DAY.

Scum always think the first wagon will collapse and they are frothing at the mouth to move the votes to a townie right now.

There is nothing more for me to say, I have already caught 1 scum, and Gamma/Noraa etc. are refusing to help end the day on a strong note for town.

I will pretend like I don't know who the other 2 scum are so they don't NK me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

GIVE ME ONE MORE VOTE SWEET JESUS ONE MORE VOTE ONE MORE FOR A CLAIM!!!!

[Albert B. Rampage]

IF YOU WANT INFORMATION AND IF YOU WANT TO LYNCH SOME SCUM WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BREAK SOME EGGS PEOPLE LETS GO

[Albert B. Rampage]

Shoshin you're at L-1, what are you claiming?

[Albert B. Rampage]

you bringing up iv has made me go recheck some meta, and honestly i do think this is very much scum!indicative behaviour for him.

i'd like to sit by and wait and see where the shoshin wagon goes, but the issue is that i feel like iv flipping scum implies shoshin being town... but i also don't want albert to yell at me. what to do, what to do...

Let's see Shoshin's next move and wait for the rest of the scum to act.

[Albert B. Rampage]

am I the prom queen that kidnapped ABR's lil brother and am making him dance with me?

Please, I am double your age. I wouldn't consent to this, even in a fictional world.

[Albert B. Rampage]

albert, do you have a read on baltar yet?

Yeah I don't think he's in a comfortable position right now so it will give a lot of info as we get the claim and everyone decides what they want to do with Shoshin and we will work back from there.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Why don't we get somebody to declare intent so we can speed this up?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Nobody unvote we need 1 more person to delcare intent and we are gucci mi amigos

[Albert B. Rampage]

Nah Gamma has his head up his butt being rude and stuff

He probably thinks it's L-2 right now

[Albert B. Rampage]

i don’t have any reads I feel strongly about tbh

Great, stand aside and let me work.

[Albert B. Rampage]

that is why this kinda behaviour makes me think that if iv is scum, shoshin isn't, because in that world, the game is going smoothly without his presence. he doesn't *need* to actually post anything meaningful. him voting shoshin definitely won't discourage albert from pushing her through, but it's not a vote that gives towncred if she flips red?

Yes, I agree. You are town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

why are you taking pressure off your vote on Shoshin by saying you don't have any reads? can you give me some analysis from 25 pages of gameplay?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yeah I don't think he's in a comfortable position right now

Couldn't be any more comfy muh dude

If you were scum you wouldn't be supporting me so strongly on a miselim or if it was your scumbuddy. Therefore I think you're town as it's the only logical option left outside of you deciding to really stick out for the first bandwagon of the day with little to no benefit to your scum wincon.

[Albert B. Rampage]

what's the deal with the faces on every vc? Are they AI generated? What's that got to do with fake people? Are they lying somehow?

[Albert B. Rampage]

the faces are AI generated

Oh cool. They look so realistic.

[Albert B. Rampage]

*yawn*
Ok so Datisi is Shoshin scum?

we won't know until someone declares intent and shitgetsreal.jpg

[Albert B. Rampage]

stand firm guys this is how we win, put your trust in the process

[Albert B. Rampage]

Noraa trying to incept doubt from the sidelines while also saying Shoshin isn't necessarily town is noted.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Datsi how do you not see Noraa as scummy?

[Albert B. Rampage]

IV less fluff and more analysis please. who else you TR?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Datsi how do you not see Noraa as scummy?

she's gone from town back to null for me, and is currently in the pool of [this execution is not happening right now, sort this out later].

Yeah I'm down to elim Noraa after we conclude our business with Shoshin to be honest

Noraa you wanna declare intent or be day 1 lynch? You can pick.

[Albert B. Rampage]

actually weaktownlean shoshin and unwnd too

if we miselim you it will be totally your fault with these wack ass reads. At least pretend you are scumleaning who you're voting, fool.

IV plays dumb like this as scum?

[Albert B. Rampage]

what exactly were you agreeing with me on here? do you think iv could be scum? frankly his recent posts just make me wanna kill him more...

he's throwing, I don't think he's scum yet unless there's evidence that he serves this soft play when he's scum. besides your 3 games look into his other games and tell me what you find when he rolls scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Noraa you wanna declare intent or be day 1 lynch? You can pick.

don't threaten me. I do what I want and you can't say shit about it.

Oooooh somebody got defensive all of a sudden

Vote me then

[Albert B. Rampage]

mod prods ico in an hour or so and then he will come and give us the low down on Shoshin

Then we will decide if we hammer or move on

[Albert B. Rampage]

ok lets wait for Shoshin to check in then, she hasn't been online since we put her at L-1

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: Noraa

i don't believe this is a real thought

dude im ON it. Im on Noraa like white on rice. Noraa is my next vote.

Get back on Shoshin so we can finish our business here.

[Albert B. Rampage]

seriously IV, if noraa is scum who tf do you think she is scum WITH??? its obviously shoshin look at her iso.

back on shoshin please DO NOT DIVIDE THE TOWN AND TAKE OFF THE PRESSURE

[Albert B. Rampage]

I could hammer this btw.

lets raise the stakes, you vote shoshin and i declare intent for hammer

UNVOTE:

[Albert B. Rampage]

if shoshin isn't feeling pressure yet this will be the extra spice to seal the deal

claim time shoshin

if noraa hammers vig/yeet her tmr

[Albert B. Rampage]

GIVE ME ONE MORE VOTE SWEET JESUS ONE MORE VOTE ONE MORE FOR A CLAIM!!!!

Why the fuck is the claim so important to you?

@ABR

I think it gives a lot of info and progresses the game, I wrote a MD article about it, its in my wiki

[Albert B. Rampage]

UNVOTE:
Way too early for a fucking hammer

i think if someone hammers at this point and shoshin is town (unlikely), we trade 1 for 1.

well noraa you can vote shoshin now if it pleases you

[Albert B. Rampage]

Noraa trying to incept doubt from the sidelines while also saying Shoshin isn't necessarily town is noted.

Is this about 628/630 or something more
Not convinced if the former

it started from 284

I highly doubt that you can read Noraa, her friendliness is NAI, she seems like she slip by right under your nose if you were an informed cop, and your chainsaw defense of your fake townread screams scum to me.

This feels like too much justification for voting me, but maybe you believe it. Not sure.

I like the way Shoshin is handling ABR here, but I don't know if I can townread it.

this is like ten pounds of fence sitting in one sentence. impressive.

[Albert B. Rampage]

@Gamma : Noraa summarized her thought process surrounding Shoshin in the last page or so, what I said was factual, she's not TRing Shoshin but was defending her / arguing against me heavily

[Albert B. Rampage]

so if i have a scumbuddy who is being voted, i dont want to say theyre town, but i need a reason not to vote them, so i would say stuff like "they are too useful as town to vote out" to explain my position. it makes noraa look really bad especially if she doesnt vote shoshin.

[Albert B. Rampage]

give me this L-1 and i will make it up to you later

[Albert B. Rampage]

shoshin was at L-1 while I was online and I didn't hammer, I have discipline and want to win with you. Give me L-1 please, I know you like to hammer, but I have a strategy I want to implement so we can do this right.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Thanks Noraa.

If im scum in shoshin's position, i am being forced out of my comfort zone and i have a couple choices:

1) wait til it blows over
2) see if my buddies can bail me out
3) claim PR and call everyone idiots
4) claim VT and give up on this game
5) self-hammer

Let's see what happens guys.

[Albert B. Rampage]

actually i think that 80% of scum do 1). avoid the game, wait until townies get distracted and inevitably start pointing fingers at each other

[Albert B. Rampage]

the scummiest thing that shoshin can do is to pretend like there's no wagon on her, that there's no sense of urgency, and to patiently wait it out. 9/10 i dont exist in the game and cant get 7/13 players to agree on one thing.

[Albert B. Rampage]

YES! dont like the pressure fizzle out. gang gang

[Albert B. Rampage]

dont let*

[Albert B. Rampage]

Shoshin is at L-1, everybody pay attention to this so no one "accidentally" hammers

[Albert B. Rampage]

Tbh despite early feelings that may or may not have existed I think {shoshin, IV, ABR} isn’t an impossible team

it is impossible. im never the long con /deepwolf.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I rather be bussed than do the bussing.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unofficial VC

Shoshin (6) : VP Baltar, Datisi, unwnd, midwaybear, Noraa, Innocentvillager

L-1

[Albert B. Rampage]

Regarding no CW, it's actually a good thing. If I'm scum and my buddy is being voted up to L-1, I would try to create a CW on my other buddy. Town will think it was TvS instead of SvS and allow the buddy to go deep in the game.

[Albert B. Rampage]

In Revelations, I did the same thing as here, but instead of just finding 1 scum and getting the town consensus, I found 2 scum and got the town consensus on both and we got them both to L-1. So one flipped scum (auro) and the other managed to escape town's wrath for a few days lol

Shoshin, claim please.

[Albert B. Rampage]

yeah no one's gonna hammer before we get answers

Gamma/Noraa/Cakez put her back at L-1 wtf why is this so hard

[Albert B. Rampage]

you have 9/13 players who expressed it was OK to elim you, if you don't sense the time is now for you to full claim so we can move on with our lives, IDK what to tell you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

the point of pressure is to not give room, to force scum into making a quick decision, not giving them time to fabricate a fakeclaim and get feedback from their buddies

[Albert B. Rampage]

its actually not a nice thing to do for the group Noraa. shoshin is getting a lot of attention right now and making everybody wait on her, when we literally just want one thing.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Nora, please ignore ABR. He's an example of how you shouldn't play.

quick question for you : do you think you can escape today without having to claim yes or no?

[Albert B. Rampage]

You're at L-2 right now and we are giving you the courtesy of listening to your claim so we can decide what to do with you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

OK Noraa I take that as a refusal to claim, your rules, do what you gotta do.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Claims shouldn't dictate what you do. I'm not playing that game. If this town wants to do that, then I'm not wasting my time trying to solve this. It's a hopeless game.

this is my game philosophy:
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... Large_Game

what bandwagons do you commit to, what you claim, how you set up your future play, rewarding good and punishing bad behavior. its all there, clear as day.

[Albert B. Rampage]

im on a fact finding mission to find scum and you have information that i need for my investigation. the fact that you fakeclaim as town is a huge detriment to town except in a few cases where you're gambitting. this isn't a gambit scenario, it's a live or die scenario.

[Albert B. Rampage]

oh the AtE big guns come out to play, playing on our heartstrings now are we

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think the wagon should get the full payout, so I’ll help keep it at E-1 if needed.

I'm counting on you to make good on your word.

[Albert B. Rampage]

im on Noraa's timetable as well. now Shoshin. we have things to do too.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't think scum just "whoops" hammers you here Shoshin, it'd certainly look terrible for them in the long run

You have time, lots of time. I just feel like you're biding it. At the very least, why did you decide ABR was the person you were going to vote out of everyone else who has contributed to your wagon? I again don't feel like this is a position he makes as scum.

I've seen too many lolhammers, and ABR certainly will hammer if given the chance.

ive litterally had the chance to hammer you twice in the last two hours and I didn't

[Albert B. Rampage]

Shoshin is at L-1, everybody pay attention to this so no one "accidentally" hammers

Unofficial VC

Shoshin (6) : VP Baltar, Datisi, unwnd, midwaybear, Noraa, Innocentvillager

L-1

[Albert B. Rampage]

i counterclaim im the real cop. lynch it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

this is a fakeclaim.

[Albert B. Rampage]

this is where i would normally hammer but noraa and cakez and gamma unvoted

[Albert B. Rampage]

ok just hammer this joker

[Albert B. Rampage]

its time to hammer the most powerful player in the game if only town had given her the chance but this site skill level is too low

[Albert B. Rampage]

...so we gonna give it the yeet

[Albert B. Rampage]

Nora, I strongly believe claims don't matter & are a distraction. This whole conversation is a distraction. I'm done with this. If I'm alive later & feel comfortable enough to dive into the game, then I'll address your concerns more in depth and try to solve this. I'm leaving for now.

the claim is one of the most important decision points in the game that puts a player in a no-backtracking zone and limits their future options as well as gives town the opportunity to re-consider or change their minds.

[Albert B. Rampage]

stop rolefishing me ive said what i said

[Albert B. Rampage]

and she retracted her fakeclaim afterwards and gave us another fakeclaim. what a bad play. lynch it with fire

VOTE: Shoshin

[Albert B. Rampage]

shoshin were you town?

Oh yeah you can definitely expect a straight answer from a disgruntled scum/town slot who threatens to siteflake in the middle of the game

[Albert B. Rampage]

If shoshin is town, u literally just killed one of town's most powerful players.

[Albert B. Rampage]

We needed to get rid of this awful slot before it caused us problems in the long run. NO REGRATS.

[Albert B. Rampage]

We did the right thing either way. I was literally going to change my vote if she had claimed VT or a reasonable PR. It's too bad she decided to prioritize her ego over the group's enjoyment.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Spoiler:

If shoshin is town, u literally just killed one of town's most powerful players.

I hope you were right ABR. If you aren't, im never listening to you again on day 1's >:(

Noraa is already blaming someone else for this inevitable townflip that she helped make
She is scum

Yup. 100%.

[Albert B. Rampage]

lol you don't get to talk here ABR

Sure I do, I got rid of a terrible player that would have scumsided and lost us the game. You don't have to thank me, I work for free.

[Albert B. Rampage]

hey we got a ton of info. we'll see if I'm right and it flips scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I was voted out because you rushed my lynch, Gamma. Why didnt you even give me time? I'm a human being, when people rush the game and don't even let me play, I'm going to get upset

Try honesty next time champ

[Albert B. Rampage]

yeah she was obnoxious but that doesn't make her scum
since when are PLs a good outcome on day 1???

i dont care about her personality, she was completely untrustworthy and incompetent

[Albert B. Rampage]

I was voted out because you rushed my lynch, Gamma. Why didnt you even give me time? I'm a human being, when people rush the game and don't even let me play, I'm going to get upset

Try honesty next time champ

I was completely honest. I told you I fakeclaim as town. And then I fakeclaimed.and I told you it was a fakeclaim. Where's the dishonesty?

I think the problem is that you fakeclaim as town, not that we hammer you for fakeclaiming

FINISH ALL FALSIFIERS

POISON ALL PERJURERS

DEFEAT ALL DOUBLE DEALERS

[Albert B. Rampage]

its disgusting how Noraa and ABR were so into getting Shoshin flipped ASAP and are now acting all like it wasn't their fault that we just quickelimmed town

Noraa was my next vote if Shoshin had decided to be normal and honest.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Town:
petapan
midwaybear

I'm very confident they are town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Datsi is town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Iv who is scum answer fast

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ok my POE is IV/Gamma/cakez/deasvail/noraa. I think 3 scum in there.

[Albert B. Rampage]

something fun that i noticed last night!!!

- iv started "seriously" engaging the thread in post 598, which was made at 5:22 pm (we'll use my timezone for this ok cool)
- he was

continuously posting

until 853, which was at 8:03 pm
- hammer on shoshin, 862, was at 8:06 pm
- IV LITERALLY JUST PEACES OUT OF THE THREAD IMMEDIATELY??? DOESN'T POST FOR THE HALF-HOUR LONG TWILIGHT????

VOTE: innocentvillager

[Albert B. Rampage]

albert i'mma need some serious explanation why midway is town because i have very strong feelings about that not being the case

Peta and midway are 100% town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ok my POE is IV/Gamma/cakez/deasvail/noraa. I think 3 scum in there.

This is the pool of chucklefucks that would kill alisae.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Noraa i cant read you. What are your thoughts

[Albert B. Rampage]

albert i'mma need some serious explanation why midway is town because i have very strong feelings about that not being the case

Peta and midway are 100% town.

you said shoshin was scum so please excuse me if i don't take your word for it :upside_down_emoji:

I literally did not believe shoshin was scum. I was following my own guide.

Rewards/Punishment section. I cant let fakeclaims pass so I was gonna hammer town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

After skimming unwnd iso, scum team probs has a few of this pool : {gamma, midway, datisi}
I skimmed. not done with this ISO quite yet.

This is irrelevent. Alieae replaced him immediately on n1

[Albert B. Rampage]

Noraa is either really bad or scum i can't tell

[Albert B. Rampage]

Fuck i think Noraa is town with horrible reads but my xp with her is only 2 games

[Albert B. Rampage]

midway is being scummy as fuck

I think hes town

[Albert B. Rampage]

Midwaybear is also probably scum

Why??

[Albert B. Rampage]

Midwaybear is also probably scum

Why??

Bad posturing around Shoshin and lack of presence

Can you explain what you expect from him as town?

[Albert B. Rampage]

should i claim right now?

Ok

[Albert B. Rampage]

lack of presence

lol are you serious? When have I ever had a presence in a game
VOTE: SirCakez

Midway has a point, cakez is reaching big time

[Albert B. Rampage]

HARDCLAIM!!! I'M A TOWN DISLOYAL HIDER!!! I TARGETED MIDWAYBEAR LAST NIGHT!!!

What does this mean?

[Albert B. Rampage]

UNVOTE:

[Albert B. Rampage]

HARDCLAIM!!! I'M A TOWN DISLOYAL HIDER!!! I TARGETED MIDWAYBEAR LAST NIGHT!!!

press x to doubt

Whats a disloyal hider??

[Albert B. Rampage]

my action only works if i target scum, otherwise it's like i didn't submit any action

So do you get any type of result or... how does this work?

Whats the point of your role

Whats your strategy with it?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I literally did not believe shoshin was scum.

When did you arrive at that point?

When started saying they fakeclaim as town

[Albert B. Rampage]

specifically,

If I target scum and they die at night, I die regardless of what happens to me
If I target scum and they don’t die at night (even if they are shot but somehow stay alive) and I get shot, I don’t die
If I target town it’s as if I didn’t submit any action at all, I will die if and only if I get shot

Why didnt you try harder to be town?

[Albert B. Rampage]

that is a role i could believe gypyx to be insane enough to come up with but frankly iv is scum so

VOTE: iv

I tentatively believe the claim. Unvote. Dont rush.

[Albert B. Rampage]

if there's a role that saw iv visit mwb/no visit, they should stay quiet and come out with that stuff *after* we flip iv

No. If theres a role that can give info on this situation they should claim it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

IV can investigate scum if we have a tracker/watcher.

Theres zero chance hes getting flipped today I dont give a fuck what anyone says.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: Sircakez

Everybody join

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm a tracker. I tracked sircakez to midway last night and I'm pretty sure he's scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

My strategy yesterday was to run people up and get them to claim so I can verify if they are truthful at night or not. Shoshin claimed cop so I was comfortable counterclaiming since I dont think theres a cop+tracker.

[Albert B. Rampage]

only scum would be interested in targeting midway imo, besides a tracker, which is me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

i can use IV to be a cop btw. unvote him immediately.

[Albert B. Rampage]

only scum would be interested in targeting midway

???

please elaborate???

why would cakez target midway according to you? they wanted to know his role. when im scum i will always target those types of slots for rolecop so i can do a threat assessment.

[Albert B. Rampage]

sircakez is scum. look at his posts d1 and d2 and put 2+2 together. I guarantee it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

i thought midway was scum so i targeted him? so not crazy for someone else i think?

cakez will claim jailkeeper or roleblocker but dont believe him. hes scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

why would cakez target midway according to you? they wanted to know his role. when im scum i will always target those types of slots for rolecop so i can do a threat assessment.

fuck if i know, i don't know cakez's role?

"wanted to know his role" is like, a very broad concept considering there's a lot of variations of investigative roles and midway was a dumb null-scummy slot that could use an investigation?

no. cakez would have been more interested in a claim if he was investigative like me. plus setup wise i dont think there will be a lot of investigatives. im probably all we've got.

[Albert B. Rampage]

thank u! i am town , i promise

I believe it

[Albert B. Rampage]

there is one claim here that makes cakez +++town and if he claims it i'm gonna lose my shit

that is all

not helpful

[Albert B. Rampage]

keep your trash talk from the sidelines to the minimum and lets see what cakez has to say

[Albert B. Rampage]

I was townreading Shoshin, I had no choice but to hammer because her lying undermined the integrity of every claim after that which would negate my power

[Albert B. Rampage]

its true, if we run up someone and they fakeclaim again and i have a result on them, that will cause a big problem. kill fakeclaimers is the only logical deterrent.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think sircakez is a mafia rolecop/roleblocker, we flip him and then scum will try to NK me/IV and we are in a winning position with all the info we need to elim the other 2.

[Albert B. Rampage]

due to the setup, the only PR we have besides me and IV would be protective or utility imo. IV doesnt need protection so ill just get the bodyguard/doc on me tonight if we have one and we sweep this easily. if we dont have one at least we get a nice head start.

[Albert B. Rampage]

feel like scum is just letting town eat itself up this game

somehow, the consensus takes are just wrong, tbh i might need to rethink midway but idek if ill have that luxury

once DV and Ico weigh in we might have a little more color, maybe not

Baltar could be scum too

That was yesterday

hey cakez i tracked you to midway yesterday, full claim please

[Albert B. Rampage]

kill him hes stalling for time while he thinks and conspires in mafia pt

[Albert B. Rampage]

every second that passes is a second too much

[Albert B. Rampage]

full claim now

[Albert B. Rampage]

stalling