Mini Normal 2180 | Fake Peoples | Endgame

[Noraa]

VOTE: noraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

VOTE: Noraa

She's not worth keeping around if I don't roll scum with her so byeee

I love u guys too

VOTE: vp
told ya I'm coming for u. A Noraa racecar driving at 200 mph

[Noraa]

told ya I'm coming for u.

Gonna have to NK me scum

lemme go jot that down in the pt rq.
*whispers to my buddies*
hey guys!
Im informed and ik vp is secretly a strong loyal multitasking fruit vendor doctor vigilante cop watcher tracker mailman motion detector role cop role watcher jail keeper neighborizer

[Noraa]

I senses a threatening presence in the room O_O

T^T vp save me

[Noraa]

mine!

[Noraa]

I've known VPB from before you were born Noraa, no one's helping you.

I've known VPB from before you were born Noraa, no one's helping you.

fat L for me but also I bet that's not true unless u knew him outside of ms cuz both ur join dates are younger than me

[Noraa]

I senses a threatening presence in the room O_O

T^T vp save me

Link me to the game where you were the last scum left early on and eliminated everyone until lylo.

that game hurt my soul bruh. I'm not linking it -____-

[Noraa]

I thought ABR was talking about death curse but if mafiasunny, eh.

[Noraa]

she lost in lylo

bruh I cried so hard over that game. I'm not linking it.

[Noraa]

she lost in lylo

bruh I cried so hard over that game. I'm not linking it.

Why did you cry? I heard it was an oscar performance. You were an inch away from winning. You tried so hard. I applaud you.

Because I tried so hard and I wasn't able to keep any of my buddies alive. I lived til F2 and lost because town basically had an extra dayvig. It's like what happened with datisi in random facts except it was a large theme where I was supposed to die on day 1 and my partners might've won if I had died

[Noraa]

Nobody has, and the vibe I got from her reading games is that strong impressions is something she relies upon

expand

[Noraa]

do I?

[Noraa]

Sircakez you better not scumread me this game.

Noraa disliked this post

[Noraa]

I mean I just explained why I think that Noraa lol

fair enough. I'll leave it be tho I do find it strange you are handing out town passes on page 2.

[Noraa]

VOTE: abr
I can't be convinced to change this

cake is adorable lol.

[Noraa]

The game isn't static, I think posting whatever is perfectly fine as long as it doesn't lead to you constantly doing it and being 100 posts

you may be very annoyed with me by the end of this game and my endless posts O_O
I'll try to tone it down cuz with dead games like this, I generally .... am over half the entire posts. yeah ....

[Noraa]

Stahp

*pulls out my trusty 100% guaranteed successful pocketing gifs*
Caaaaaaaaaaaaaaake

[Noraa]

why is datisi so spiky? this doesn't really match up with what I expect from town!him.
why hasn't midway TRed me yet? this may be a bad game to be referencing but my one game with them(it was a marathon so its a bad reference), they TRed me instantly. At the time I thought it was scummy but they were town there.
ABR, stop tunneling Cakey and engage someone else please. it looks p bad to be having ur own really tunnelly convo on the side with Cakey while all this *gestures vaguely* is all happening.

[Noraa]

what does the word spiky mean in this context, google is not being kind right now

its like what you would describe a big porcupine as. I feel like ur being overly paranoid for page 4.

[Noraa]

why is datisi so spiky? this doesn't really match up with what I expect from town!him.
why hasn't midway TRed me yet? this may be a bad game to be referencing but my one game with them(it was a marathon so its a bad reference), they TRed me instantly. At the time I thought it was scummy but they were town there.
ABR, stop tunneling Cakey and engage someone else please. it looks p bad to be having ur own really tunnelly convo on the side with Cakey while all this *gestures vaguely* is all happening.

why would you expect midwaybear to townread you again after one game?

why does it matter if ABR is tunnel-y? i've never played with him but that's exactly how i expect him to play

dunno but generally if a person is big on giving out town passes, I'd expect a few here tho he gave one to datisi so I suppose that matches up fine.

cuz poor cake is kinda LHF-y from what I know. I've played one game with ABR and got fooled to hell and back by scum!him.

[Noraa]

i know what the word spiky means when describing an animal i just don't know what it means ~metaphorically~

also i will need some elaboration on that claim because how am i being paranoid and what do you even expect me to be doing that i am not doing and why and whatever else i'm supposed to ask you here idk

barely anything in these last 4 pages has pinged any way in the slightest bit. I don't really understand how ur reading so hard into so many things that literally look like nothing to me :/

[Noraa]

@noraa - I think datisi is just tired after running a bunch of marathon games and is probably just nudging me to do something more.

hmm ok then..

[Noraa]

do you wanna know the truth???? i'm bullshitting my reads real fucking bad right now because the game has to start *somewhere*

is it a tiny miniscule ping? did baltar just make a post that can be described as non-commital? i'm gonna latch onto it just fuckign watch me we'll get this game to 100 pages in no time

Ok you have great fun doing that.

[Noraa]

@noraa - I think datisi is just tired after running a bunch of marathon games and is probably just nudging me to do something more.

why are you pre-emptively defending me

I thought the opposite. I actually thought he was discrediting you to some extent.

[Noraa]

Datisi is scum

elaborate. I can vibe this.

[Noraa]

no, but you specifically asked why he wasn't townreading you. don't shift the goalposts now. why did you expect that read from him?

you know that second line is really suspect to me.

I don't think its really weird to expect a TR straight off the bat if the person has done it before but if u think its scummy, that's fine and I can see why.

Ok great and? I'm planning to hard defend Cake all of this game as long as I don't SR him bc he suffers from PLs in many games.

[Noraa]

ABR, stop tunneling Cakey and engage someone else please. it looks p bad to be having ur own really tunnelly convo on the side with Cakey while all this *gestures vaguely* is all happening.

Can i have my cake and eat it too tho

find a scum and I'll give you a big slice.

@noraa - I think datisi is just tired after running a bunch of marathon games and is probably just nudging me to do something more.

why are you pre-emptively defending me

I thought the opposite. I actually thought he was discrediting you to some extent.

It was more just like "here is what I'm seeing." I guess it could be discrediting in the sense that it is me saying 'dats, you so crazy.'

I just meant it mostly as like, 'this behavior is over the top, but I see a rational explanation for it'

I'll take it. This explanation is reasonable.

[Noraa]

cuz poor cake is kinda LHF-y from what I know. I've played one game with ABR and got fooled to hell and back by scum!him.

LHF = ?

Low hanging fruit

basically

easy limbait/PL material

[Noraa]

I don't think its really weird to expect a TR straight off the bat if the person has done it before

That was a marathon game! Dayphases were 15 or whatever minutes! It is not the same.

fair enough.

[Noraa]

find a scum and I'll give you a big slice.

Why you gotta slice cakez up... what he do

we don't slice cakey!
we go to the bakery and find a cake.

[Noraa]

gun to head solve is Peta/Dat/ABR?
ignore this post. its for post game where I get to see how many scum I got on page 6

[Noraa]

ok i shouldn't but i can't resist

why am i scum, noraa? do you genuinely believe trying to get reads by poking around on page 4 is scummy?

I believe ur way overreacting. hypocritical of me to say considering I do it sometimes too but it certainly looks quite scummy to me.

[Noraa]

why is overreacting scummy? like, genuine question.

overreacting feels fake to some extent.

[Noraa]

that is such a boring nai answer that i cannot do anything with.

by some weird force of the universe, i feel like noraa is some small percentage more likely to be town than average. which i probably shouldn't say because now she's gonna say that i'm pocketing her but it is what it is.

*gasp*
dAtIsI iS pOcKeTiNg mE

[Noraa]

VOTE: unwnd

where'd ur SR on me go?

[Noraa]

did i express a scumread of you?

basically, yes.

[Noraa]

gun to head solve is Peta/Dat/ABR?
ignore this post. its for post game where I get to see how many scum I got on page 6

I don't see this ever being the solve

shush I like imagining that my solves are right and the scums in the pt are like "fuck, Noraas a scum hunting god"

[Noraa]

quick sus on ABR for his approach rn
I actually think this playerlist is pretty dignified

I don't know if its a dignified list but I do know that I <3 half this plist

[Noraa]

Haha, this is absolutely not an attitude I have ever seen from ABR.

I vibed ABR so well in my last game and was so deep in his pocket, I don't know what I expect from him at all.

[Noraa]

Hi everyone!

Hi! You missed RVS and should be terribly ashamed of doing that

[Noraa]

ABR's obvious scum when scum, not too worried about him. I'm just hoping DV's town so we can steamroll the scum.

bruhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ur making me feel kinda dumb for being pocketed that hard in betrayal >:(

Nora's already obvious town, so that's nice.

I'd like to think I'm a god at obvtowning

[Noraa]

oh, is DV a significant player these days?

who is this?

[Noraa]

Never heard of this person before.

[Noraa]

I feel like Noraa is negative utility for town. She is god at mafia and probably trash as town. We should eliminate her just because of that.

does this not describe every single newbie on site?
tsk tsk this is how u treat newbies here.

[Noraa]

You do realize that there are lots where I die to day 1/2 elims right?

[Noraa]

plus regardless of all of that, I'm still a newbie bc of my start date. Card says I'm a mafia baby in experience.

[Noraa]

*cabd

[Noraa]

thats mean

[Noraa]

@ABR
okie then u do that.

[Noraa]

It would make sense then to just lynch the most charismatic and funny players, or, shall we say, the most dangerous players who can fool the town the longest. You know, as insurance.

doing that only proves inability to sort people tho, no?
I have very bad reads but I believe I put in the effort rather than resorting to things like PLs and I believe you show each player respect by putting in that effort. Even if u end up wrong, everyone improves, right?

[Noraa]

VOTE: noraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

town

Iconeum has 36 hours to confirm before being replaced

oof thanksgiving going into black friday going into dragon's weekend v/la is he gonna make it?

only time will tell

scum?

I was told to go post
VOTE: ABR

scum

VOTE: noraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

VOTE: Noraa

She's not worth keeping around if I don't roll scum with her so byeee

I love u guys too

VOTE: vp
told ya I'm coming for u. A Noraa racecar driving at 200 mph

town

VOTE: sircakez

listen we're all going to do this eventually so let's just save ourselves the trouble

town, unless cakez is scum

VOTE: Shoshin

town?

what. What. WHAT. When the fuck did gamma ever give reads like this as town?

[Noraa]

beautifully said <3

[Noraa]

Sorry, 4p Xylo. So I guess I wasn't alone being incorrect there

I just lost a 2p "Lylo" lol. I guess pay back from mafiasunny lol.

[Noraa]

which games have you played with noraa-scum, pray tell?

Do you legitimately SR me or do you just want a PL? Cuz ur starting to make it seem like you actually SR me.

[Noraa]

Ey gamma, idk who ur role model is but like those posts are not helpful at all....
I'd rather have ur good ol self back O_O

[Noraa]

totur

can we mention how I thought this said torture for a sec and I was like HUH

[Noraa]

costom

[Noraa]

?

[Noraa]

I think that your mimicry doesn't make a whole lot of sense if you don't understand what makes it effective, which is my initial complaint. If you kept doing it after explaining it doesn't take away from the initial feeling

who is this directed at? what is a mimicry?

[Noraa]

Vc

aw nuuuu gypyx didn't get his favorite page bottoms

[Noraa]

costom

?

wut

nvm

[Noraa]

If you agree your posts were mostly self-serving, then what purpose do you have to provide them

It has to be self-serving in a way that is efficient or something you're doing to get reads, I don't know if you honestly believe that those players were town/scum from one post that you read from catchup

why aren't u picking on me for still pouring out loads of absolute bullshit posts?

[Noraa]

What're your reads, Nora?

nonexistent. I'm trying hard to not tunnel anyone this game and its not faring well for my reads cuz those are generally ...... 99% based off my confidence post flip analysis.

[Noraa]

*confident

[Noraa]

Kinda feel like Noraa is leaning a little too hard on the "friends with everyone" shtick
I mean
She IS friends with everyone
But also this is mafia ya?

I rarely get games like this as town. let me enjoy being UTR for once

[Noraa]

I highly doubt that you can read Noraa, her friendliness is NAI, she seems like she slip by right under your nose if you were an informed cop, and your chainsaw defense of your fake townread screams scum to me.

This feels like too much justification for voting me, but maybe you believe it. Not sure.

I like the way Shoshin is handling ABR here, but I don't know if I can townread it.

this is like ten pounds of fence sitting in one sentence. impressive.

[Noraa]

Yes

The game is boring at the surface level for me, I'm not interested in what people type most of the time. I think it's all very easy to fake, therefore I look for tells that aren't explicit such as someone's timing or their delivery. I think scum are more likely to process their posts and even use rhetoric to give off a certain vibe, while townies are shamefully honest and full of mistakes. When it comes to you midway, my issue with reading you is that you seem afraid of mistakes. You'd rather comfortably sideline and say things like 'people are too quick to give reads' but I think that's both unhelpful and lazy. I stand by what I said earlier: Post whatever you want as long as it doesn't start to become hyperposting. You seem very afraid of being judged for a wrong read and I'm not sure if it's because you think you should really really think about them when there's about 283 posts (e.g You don't understand the concept of D1), or you're nervous for scum reasons; Right now I lean the latter.

Midway's not a newbie, no?

[Noraa]

could you not also describe shoshin as fencesitting in the quoted post, tbqh?

did you even read the post?

[Noraa]

why is 200 weird?

[Noraa]

why is 200 weird?

because neither shoshin nor baltar were talking with/about each other and all of a sudden she asked him for his reads? it felt as if there was some history between the two - either on-thread or out-of-thread, and there wasn't any in-thread - that's why i asked.

I think ur overthinking tho I do kinda see where that comes from. I'm gonna go meta dive Shoshin rq cuz I know they have a habit of doing exactly this. I'll go find some specific posts/games to support this in just a sec.

[Noraa]

nvm shoshin hasn't played much recently. but anyways, I do think shoshin does this as either alignment.

[Noraa]

nvm shoshin hasn't played much recently. but anyways, I do think shoshin does this as either alignment.

Based upon what...

[redacted]

[Noraa]

mini normal 2169 - made it to 5p lylo, partner was locktowned by all 3 townies, lost because the confirmed bulletproof that i hammered was also a vengeful and the vig had one bullet left and my god i had never been that salty in my life

Same thing happened to me in a large theme. I solo carried my team thru 5 mislims after my team all died on day 3.. Died in a 2p lylo just like you did.

[Noraa]

I don't think anything shoshin has done is AI in the slightest for them but if town really wants to yeet her, I'm quite very null on her so its alright.
In {Datisi, Shoshin}, I much prefer Datisi tho I must say, I think I basically just haven't had a game with datisi where I didn't think he was scum day 1 and every day of the game so I'm not sure how reliable these reads are.

[Noraa]

I take back my town read on Nora.

ok explain.

[Noraa]

you were a very scummy towny

I agree with this. datisi is one of the few players that I always SR for some reason :/

[Noraa]

you were a very scummy towny

I agree with this. datisi is one of the few players that I always SR for some reason :/

Oh nvm it was about cake.

[Noraa]

Nora, you know that my reads are very good as town. I'm the sort of player you BoP before lynching. Why don't you care if I'm lynched?

I do know this. I highly doubt VP or Peta have bad reads tho.

[Noraa]

I know you have good reads but 1) you haven't really expressed any reads unless I missed them?
and
2) if ur widely SRed, keeping you til late game isn't exactly a great idea?

[Noraa]

*any SRs

[Noraa]

Oh but one more thing, I do not uphold ending the day this early. That is not fine.

If shoshin starts spewing reads anytime, I'm immediately backing out of this bc Shoshin is certainly right that she has quite high accuracy as town.

Peta nailed all the scum in Death curse if I remember correctly. 5 entire scums. Very impressive.

[Noraa]

If shoshin starts spewing reads anytime,

I'm immediately backing out of this

bc Shoshin is certainly right that she has quite high accuracy as town.

backing out of what? afaict, you're not in this in the first place?

I said I'm fine with her lim. if she starts obvtowning, I'm out.

[Noraa]

Noraa looks like she's freaking out over her scumbuddy getting voted.

"But the first bandwagon of the day is always on town".

Not when I'm in the game. Links available on demand.

link

[Noraa]

noraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
are you scum??

is there a point in asking this question, caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaake?

[Noraa]

it's to subtly but not too obviously indicate my slowly developing SR on you

cool. back it up with a 5 paragraph essay and I'll consider ur application to my town block.

[Noraa]

name the scums that u caught. that way its less effort for me.

[Noraa]

lmfao IV has like ... 2 posts. where tf does a read on them come out of

[Noraa]

more importantly, why are ur pushes so easily shut down? have u ever thought that maybe you need to uh ... convince people?

[Noraa]

more importantly, why are ur pushes so easily shut down? have u ever thought that maybe you need to uh ... convince people?

How are either of my pushes shut down
You're just trying and failing

you don't really have pushes. its more just u saying "iv is scum" and then calling it a push when theres no ... evidence?

to make it clear, I do not TR iv but I don't understand how anyone reads a slot like NM thru like ... 2 posts.

[Noraa]

im catching up. wait for me!

[Noraa]

We still need to hear from Iconeum, after that I wouldn’t mind ending the day. And as for the point at hand, Idont think those are “fake reads”, but something definitely looks fake there.

wtf. we are like 3 days into day 1. what's the rush about?

[Noraa]

Shoshin thinks that she has to act like "she doesn't care" as scum and that will get her through the day. It's ridiculously transparent. Caught scum doesn't understand why she's caught. We eject her and bask in the towncred tomorrow. First round of drinks on me, everyone!

ABR give me a case on Shoshin. A quick "she gives fake reads" really doesn't cut it. She has not played out of her town range atm so I do not understand what u are seeing.

[Noraa]

Because you seemed defensive as soon as you came in.

quote these posts for me?

[Noraa]

Everyone on the Shoshin wagon better give me some solid reasons they are on it cuz trust me, if this ends up flipping green, tomorrow I am gonna find out which one of u scumbuckets was the scum pushing her wagon.

She doesn't strike me as LHF but nothing she has done is scummy for her imo.

I do not SR her tho her lack of TRs and SRs is very concerning I must say.

[Noraa]

Literally the 5 best players in the game screaming at you to vote scum and you're out here NOOOO ITS TOOO EARLYYYY TO VOTE SCUUUUUMMMM

the bottom three are total scumbuckets if u ask me.
5 best players. lmfao. ur only saying that bc they agree with u.

[Noraa]

You're a noob.

000

make up ur mind. am I a noob or no?

[Noraa]

Noraa you thought I was conftown in a game where I was obvscum. You're a genius at scum but you're really bad at town. You're probably scum here trying to bail out your buddy and I respect your hustle but it's not gonna work ok?

bish I repped into that game. u can't say nothing to me about it.

[Noraa]

also all ur bullshit Noraa is negative utility/noraa is scum is stupid as hell.

[Noraa]

Everyone on the Shoshin wagon better give me some solid reasons they are on it cuz trust me, if this ends up flipping green, tomorrow I am gonna find out which one of u scumbuckets was the scum pushing her wagon.

I take 100% responsibility for the Shoshin flip.

yeah but I don't give two shits if ur taking responsibility. If shoshin is town, u literally just killed one of town's most powerful players.
I won't lie.
I'm worrying about shoshin being scum atm but this wagon is far too rushed. I need to see a scum tell from her. I'm coming close to calling her scum due to her lack of reads.
I'm p sure town!her normally has a few reads by now.
Here she is under ridiculous amounts of pressure so I think its possible she's still town.
By the end of day 5 ish of day 1, if she still doesn't have some decent sounding reads, I'll join this wagon.

[Noraa]

tsk tsk this is how u treat newbies here.

Yep you are a noob. You admit it.

When I say im a noob, ur like "nope 8000 posts. Noraa shut up"
now, in order to discredit me, u call me a noob.
don't be a hypocrite.

[Noraa]

Shoshin where are your reads at?

[Noraa]

Shoshin. Reads.

[Noraa]

My Noraa-Cakez-unwnd townblock still exists fyi

what was the reasoning behind this?

[Noraa]

I actually facepalmed at this

You're going to facepalm when you reread & realize you're mistaking me for Nora. Again, I didn't scumread anyone for voting me. I scumread Gamma for supporting an RVS vote on me, but I dropped that when his explanation re: gumption made sense.

?????????????????????????????????????????

Why did you say this when from what I can see you never stopped having a scumread on him

I said I found his vote on Nora scummy, and he never answered my inquiry on that topic. I didn't say I scumread ABR as a whole -- I'm still working on this read. That said, even if I scumread him, I'm going to constantly consider whether I'm wrong. This is how you get better reads -- being willing to reevaluate and admit you were wrong before.

He pretty clearly said his *first* serious vote was on u. That means the one on me was a RVS vote, no?

I think I'm good adding DV and shoshin to the D1 townblock

This is such a misfits townblock, I love it.

I just noticed that noraa is in the townblock and noraa is like the prom queen.

I don't want to even go to the prom!

prom queen. lmfao. go on. lemme hear the rest of this fanfic. am I the prom queen that kidnapped ABR's lil brother and am making him dance with me?

Cakez can you stop voting Shoshin pls
don't you SR ABR, actually? Why are you letting him lead you?

pushing on LHF is not a good look tho I will admit cake's been a scum bucket. Either way, all is fine. I have a huge scum tell on you that I will drop the moment you slip up if ur scum.

Do not see ABR follying with a level zero lim as scum, especially with how antagonistic he was at the start

interesting take. I think most scums win because town thinks they wouldn't do blahblahblah tho ya'know?


im officially CAUGHT UP!!!!!!!!!!

[Noraa]

My Noraa-Cakez-unwnd townblock still exists fyi

I don't even disagree with these reads, but for some reason I HATE this post.

It feels reachy and overeager.

I like vp. im gonna shove him into a corner of my town block
I agree with ~90% of his posts. tis a good look for him

[Noraa]

interesting take. I think most scums win because town thinks they wouldn't do blahblahblah tho ya'know?

You think ABR is scum here?

not quite. im null. I think I could see a town!ABR and a scum!ABR. He's quite an unpredictable player.

[Noraa]

am I the prom queen that kidnapped ABR's lil brother and am making him dance with me?

Please, I am double your age. I wouldn't consent to this, even in a fictional world.

let iv do his fanfics. those are entertaining to hear.

[Noraa]

didn't someone already unvote?

[Noraa]

gamma was it?

[Noraa]

noraa ruined the birthday party surprise

?

[Noraa]

*yawn*
Ok so Datisi is Shoshin scum?

[Noraa]

Datisi can I ask if you actually think Shoshin is scum? You don’t have to answer if you don’t want to

she's "null-ish??? i guess???? i don't know?????" to me right now.

then y are u voting her

[Noraa]

Noraa you wanna declare intent or be day 1 lynch? You can pick.

don't threaten me. I do what I want and you can't say shit about it.

[Noraa]

Noraa you wanna declare intent or be day 1 lynch? You can pick.

don't threaten me. I do what I want and you can't say shit about it.

Oooooh somebody got defensive all of a sudden

Vote me then

ur provoking is done in very lame ways :/
I don't SR you so I won't vote you.
speaking of which. its time I changed my rvs vote.
UNVOTE:

[Noraa]

shoshin/iv/__
is it really just that easy?

[Noraa]

I keep feeling like something's wrong.
Like Shoshin is being weird.
The meta reason doesn't even help. In fact, I feel like this really isn't her town meta anyways but then if she's scum and using her town meta, how tf does it end up so ... off?
iv scummy. dat has a decent case on it and I can buy it.
But is it really this easy?
Like maybe it is but im not really sure if it's really this easy.

[Noraa]

Vp talk to me. ur the only calming voice in this chaos *gestures vaguely*

[Noraa]

but you ignore the very contingent part of that case where, if i'm scum, shoshin isn't

its very weird that this is the thing that u point out. almost feels like strange caught for the wrong reasons vibes.
I disagree that if ur scum, shoshin isn't and vice versa. I see no reason you can't be scum together.

[Noraa]

I mean, they probably both aren't scum here.

you said u liked Dat's case but wanted to stay on shoshin.
so, you think shoshin more likely scum?

[Noraa]

so, the whole point of datisi's case on me is that i did this once when i was *comfortable* with the gamestate

i can't really be comfortable with the gamestate, as datisi says, if people are light fosing me but driving a wagon on my scumbuddy shoshin

but you buy Datisi's case

so when you go "Omg, something's wrong, shoshin/iv is the obvious solve but is it really that easy", i just don't buy that this is real paranoia that a real townie would have

there is an obvious reason to not believe shoshin/iv/? is the solve which happened to be the somewhat necessary conclusion of datisi's scum!iv case that you found convincing

I really don't think so. First wagons normally disappear fast. If you are scum, you shouldn't be that uncomfortable considering if shoshin really was ur buddy there are plenty of good counter wagons to start. For example, me.

[Noraa]

I mean, they probably both aren't scum here.

you said u liked Dat's case but wanted to stay on shoshin.
so, you think shoshin more likely scum?

I think Shoshin hasn't responded to pressure is a very townie way, and why would we dismantle a good wagon for no reason when that's the case?

I think she is certainly scummy.

Ok.

intent on shoshin

[Noraa]

I could hammer this btw.

lets raise the stakes, you vote shoshin and i declare intent for hammer

UNVOTE:

BRUH

[Noraa]

VOTE: Shoshin
You got it

I wanna do intent >:O

intent

[Noraa]

im interested in the t i me l i n e of your thought process, yes

is there a problem with my timeline?

[Noraa]

... i just, am trying to envision this world but cannot

why not?

[Noraa]

Ok so here is my take on Shoshin.
Everyone SRed her for asking pretty empty questions at the beginning. That is NOT a scum tell for her. I believe, tho I am not 100% sure, that she will do that as either alignment.
Looking back, I think maybe I slightly agree she started asking them a little too early for me to feel comfortable about it.
But still, using her own meta, overall, at that time she was a null town lean.
Then I started realizing she had no reads.
This is not that crazily uncommon on this site at that stage but for shoshin its not really her town meta at all.
Most of her posts were fluffy and defensive and that's just waaaay out of her town meta.
I started doing a 180 but ABR's aggressive ass pushes gave me lots of pause.
I feel like im going to get wagoned tomorrow regardless of the shoshin flip.
Thats not the end of the world but here I have explained my progression and hope people will understand how I approached this.

[Noraa]

ugh stop it with these one liners, you're supposed to be more defensive

can someone else tell me if im just picking at nothing? @datisi maybe for a start?

this post reads .... very bad.

[Noraa]

that I will drop the moment you slip up if ur scum

o_rly

very calm and composed. one of the few times im willing to let go of my paranoia and town block u. Gamma if ur scum this game, u will break my heart.

[Noraa]

I feel like im going to get wagoned tomorrow regardless of the shoshin flip.

Huh?

Cuz ABR lmfao.

[Noraa]

Noraa how much weight do you put on associatives D1?

normally a lot but then I normally end up tunneling townie after townie. I've decided that can't do so idk. I think this game my goal is zero tunneling and more paying attention. So I am not putting too much weight into d1 associatives.

[Noraa]

well noraa you can vote shoshin now if it pleases you

no thnx. I like hammers

[Noraa]

give me this L-1 and i will make it up to you later

but I want the hammer.

[Noraa]

shoshin was at L-1 while I was online and I didn't hammer, I have discipline and want to win with you. Give me L-1 please, I know you like to hammer, but I have a strategy I want to implement so we can do this right.

I'll cave
VOTE: shoshin

[Noraa]

^E-1

[Noraa]

scum never self hammers on day 1. that's impossible.

3 and 4 are the most realistic.

[Noraa]

Ok. I'll help you push this wagon thru. the resistance to this wagon is plenty and it gives me pause.

[Noraa]

chugga chugga choo choo

[Noraa]

Yeah, read Day 4 and 5 of Mini 2170 and get back to me on that.

don't wanna. that game was at zero enjoyment levels for me.

[Noraa]

UNVOTE:
I'll give you some room but my vote is there, spiritually.

claim. or convince me you are town by the end of today.

[Noraa]

I think every person deserves a chance regardless of their alignment. I am not dead set you are scum anyways. convince me to change my mind otherwise I will be 100% fine with ABR hammering.

[Noraa]

No shoshin will feel extreme pressure with ABR off wagon. my vote is spiritually there to give her some room.

[Noraa]

I unvote to give her room. There is no rush. We have 5 days and I fully support this wagon. I just think she needs some room.

[Noraa]

She said she'll get back to us later today. That's not that much time. I'd prefer now as well but like I still think its the nice thing to do-give her room.

[Noraa]

Shoshin can you just claim and then do whatever else you want to do?

[Noraa]

ur at E-2. ur not at risk of getting hammered by ABR. if u keep refusing, I'll actually vote back.

[Noraa]

claim your real role. I will not vote back until you finish catching up tonight.
If you start being towny, I will be fair and im sure everyone else will as well.
claim now im tired of reasoning with you.

[Noraa]

BRUH CLAIM

[Noraa]

why is this so frustrating goddamnit

[Noraa]

I don't think scum just "whoops" hammers you here Shoshin, it'd certainly look terrible for them in the long run

You have time, lots of time. I just feel like you're biding it. At the very least, why did you decide ABR was the person you were going to vote out of everyone else who has contributed to your wagon? I again don't feel like this is a position he makes as scum.

I've seen too many lolhammers, and ABR certainly will hammer if given the chance.

UR AT E-2
NO ONE GONNA LOLHAMMER AT E-2 IT DOESNT PHYSICALLY WORK

[Noraa]

i counterclaim im the real cop. lynch it.

you did say prior to this that you'd cc it regardless of anything. is this a joke cc or a real?

[Noraa]

Yep, this is why I don't claim.

.....what is up with this reaction?
a real cop cc'ed would be like VOTE: VOTE: VOTE: VOTE: VOTE: VOTE: VOTE: VOTE: VOTE: VOTE: VOTE: VOTE: ABRR

[Noraa]

Fine, I'm not a cop. I'm a doctor.

a doc. huh.

[Noraa]

did you ever crumb?

[Noraa]

No everyone is gonna hold off and wait until her catch up posts. Idc if she is scum. I wanna see those catch up posts regardless.

[Noraa]

ok then shutting down my SRs

I'm only on page 20 but I'm liking the Shoshin wagon less and less

goodness gracious, this looks so bad idk what to say.

[Noraa]

OK yeah that doctor claim is incredibly awful. Doctors don't just claim other PRs

Jesus christ is this a newbie game

The problem is that I've softed prs that I wasn't twice now as town. I never fake claim but I'd soft a different pr if I felt the need. I'm not really convinced by this claim but I want to see those catch up posts.

[Noraa]

I still support the wagon. I want those catch up posts tho.

[Noraa]

My only condition is I want those catch up posts. Idc about anything else.

[Noraa]

I've certainly never seen an experienced player do something like this. I feel genuine frustration from her which is giving me pause.
Idk I flail like shit as town if I really feel under pressure and I'd try to not claim as town if I were a pr. Changing my claim however ..... doesn't really happen for me. I don't fake claim ever.
Shoshin still scummy ngl.

[Noraa]

and she retracted her fakeclaim afterwards and gave us another fakeclaim. what a bad play. lynch it with fire

VOTE: Shoshin

hammered.

[Noraa]

Ok day is over. twilight time.
shoshin were you town?

[Noraa]

I don’t mean to be rude but you entertained that in Haunted Village and 2170

nuh uh. I softed but I never fake claimed.

[Noraa]

Spoiler:

If shoshin is town, u literally just killed one of town's most powerful players.

I hope you were right ABR. If you aren't, im never listening to you again on day 1's >:(

[Noraa]

ABR would YOLO dive this as scum

If shoshin flips town I’ll be reviewing ABR critically but I’m not 100% on him being scum in that case

the push was very aggressive. Dunno how scum would feel fine with looking bullshit after a green flip in that case :/

[Noraa]

This twilight is going to be a very juicy read tomorrow. I'm already starting to see some scum teams forming.

[Noraa]

god everyone here looks so scummy rn I don't even know what to say. Ok imma chill until the flip. Then im rereading twilight and kicking some scum ass tomorrow.

[Noraa]

Why is everyone so quick to assume shoshin flips a certain color? It's difficult to say especially considering she was very upset and she would be regardless of the color of her role pm.

[Noraa]

Also is there a point to be super mean to shoshin rn? She messed up but so? Everyone still should at least attempt to be kind.

[Noraa]

midwaybear is scum btw

you think its midway/iv/____?

[Noraa]

imma go grab some lunch. Idgaf what ur alignment is. Be nice to Shoshin. a flash wagon on d1 doesn't feel good for her regardless of the color of her role pm. BE CIVIL.

[Noraa]

I'm here!!!

[Noraa]

Imma ISO unwnd and see what made scum so scared they even killed the replacement.

[Noraa]

i was about to ask that but midway beat me to it so instead, the first townlean of the game goes to midway!!

Would scum!Datisi say this? I don't think it serves him any value as scum here.

my brain is telling me this is opportunistic scum trying to pocket me
my heart is telling me no, midway is town

i will listen to my heart for now

I like your brain more here, but I empathize with your heart

[Noraa]

I think your explanation is reasonable and I agreed with your pressure on Baltar, it just came out a bit undercooked as I feel you're trying to force yourself to stay engaged

Yeah I agree with you, I think it's normal to respond to someone when they ask you something but I can't shake the feeling he was baiting you a bit

ABR'S arrogance means nothing until he uses it for purpose

VOTE: Gamma emerald

I almost hesitated because I find myself voting him early but this time it's merited

Tell me more. I'm not an expert at reading gamma. That post didn't feel scummy to me, but maybe it is a meta thing?

It's just very out of character for him. I don't feel his normal behavior emits that type of force where he can make posts just calling something town/scum

If you agree your posts were mostly self-serving, then what purpose do you have to provide them

It has to be self-serving in a way that is efficient or something you're doing to get reads, I don't know if you honestly believe that those players were town/scum from one post that you read from catchup

ah, that wouldn't be a reason for me to townread you though imo

Your play here is actually a bit different from what I remember of you from that game. I also think I remember hardcore thinking you were mafia only to change my mind before the end?

(@Shoshin)

--

Also I think noraa needs to be considered as a candidate for mafia, though I need to do a reread to confirm.

ABR and VP are also making me nervous.

Spoiler:

I want you to know that I don't disagree and there's a reason I didn't hop on

midwaybear is scum btw

Hey I agree

[Noraa]

After skimming unwnd iso, scum team probs has a few of this pool : {gamma, midway, datisi}
I skimmed. not done with this ISO quite yet.

[Noraa]

Noraa i cant read you. What are your thoughts

I think unwnd died for good reads. nothing else makes sense. they were vt. no way they crumbed anything.
I think there was probs something really scary in the reads.
Rn the unwnd ISO is my top priority.
IV scum is something I can support btw even tho unwnd never supported it much.

[Noraa]

fuck yeah post #1000

pedit: noraa, unwnd was continuously townreading me, what the fuck are you doing lol

idk maybe I misread the iso. I'm also in class rn so ....

[Noraa]

Gamma/Midway/IV is a decent sounding solve.
Idk give me some time to catch up.
I'll do it after class.
Cake is just bullshitting a Xenoblade read. Midway, unwnd, and peta were there. Not a single one is using a bullshit meta tell to be like "Noraa is scummmm"

[Noraa]

Also cake you haven't even played two full games with me. U have zero right to use meta against me. I fucking always die to meta trash.

[Noraa]

I just saw quite some claims.
If cake really did visit midway, he is probs scum. The reason is that if he got a guilty, he would've just said it but pushing midway in this shady way is weird.
I'm semi caught up.

[Noraa]

Hmm from a mech standpoint this makes IV look better. Unless scum really wanted to go all out which I can also see.

+1
I agree with this

[Noraa]

I dislike ABR claiming rn.
I don't want to go into why cuz it might help scum more than town for me to say it.

[Noraa]

I also am not 100% convinced ABR is what he claims. He claimed at a weird time imo.

[Noraa]

the radio silence from cake is great

[Noraa]

I was townreading Shoshin, I had no choice but to hammer because her lying undermined the integrity of every claim after that which would negate my power

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh mmmkay

[Noraa]

doc should be on ABR tonight.

[Noraa]

ABR's role is so over the top that I'm sure its real cuz it reflects the evilness in Gypyx's heart.

[Noraa]

Whether or not its scum is hard to say.

[Noraa]

Cake so you visited midway and got that midway did a killing action?

[Noraa]

Cake so you visited midway and got that midway did a killing action?

[Noraa]

That's the opposite of what he is saying.

then why is he pushing you?

[Noraa]

noraa are you pruposefully not reading?

im in class.

[Noraa]

IOC's due for like ten prods by now or something

[Noraa]

*Ico

[Noraa]

I'm also confirmed town due to meta because in my 250+ games on mafiascum, I have never fakeclaimed a "bizarre" role like this. I always choose simple things I understand and don't need to wiki. I don't even know what normal roles are, I'd never pull this shit, especially unprompted and without pressure.

ur role is definitely not a lie. u could probs still be scum tho.

[Noraa]

IF I AM SCUM I KILL CAKEZ AT NIGHT KNOWING HE IS PR. WHY THE FUCK WOULD I DO ALL THIS SHIT. CAKEZ IS CONFSCUM.

Cake claimed later than you tho?

[Noraa]

ITS CAKEZ AND NORAA IM CALLING IT NOW

literally no wtf.

[Noraa]

I have no idea what I'm doing rn :/
Wait for my reread of this day after class lmfao. chem is frying my brain rn.

[Noraa]

Spoiler: Dead

Shellyc,

Vanilla Townie

executed day 1
Bunno,

Vanilla Townie

killed night 1
Tayl0r Swift,

Vanilla Townie

executed day 2
Battle Mage

Town Combined Mailman Vanilla Cop

, killed night 2
Professor Mafia

Mafia Odd-Night Complex Traffic Analyst

, executed day 3
Menalque

Role Watcher Neighbor

, killed night 3
iamausername

Vanilla Townie

, executed day 4
Iconeum

Town Ascetic Indecisive Doctor Neighbour

, killed night 4
Alonzo

Town 1-shot Bulletproof Vengeful

, executed day 5
Bob3141

Mafia Informed

, vengekilled day 5
Datisi

Mafia Goon

, killed night 5
Noraa

Town Novice 3-shot Vigilante

, killed night 5

For reference to his last game...

I KILLED ALL HIS PRS

[Noraa]

I did peddle off the wagon at the last moment.
Trust be told, I was never THAT convinced Shoshin was scum but there was a game that I was thinking of.

So the game ended today and I wanted to mention it. It was a mini normal that shoshin and I were in. Shoshin reminds me of Herta.
Herta is a player that I have been in two games with and I have always been null/TRed on him. Both games he was scum.
Shoshin remind of that. Basically a player that I can't seem to ever SR.
That game was also the reason that I believed shoshin's empty questions wasn't necessarily scum indicative.

[Noraa]

This game: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=84894