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[SirCakez]

VOTE: noraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[SirCakez]

Thanks for the help Peta ^.^

[SirCakez]

VOTE: abr
I can't be convinced to change this

[SirCakez]

VOTE: abr
I can't be convinced to change this

cake is adorable lol.

Stahp

[SirCakez]

VOTE: abr
I can't be convinced to change this

You have to earn a toenread!

[SirCakez]

They basically mean the same thing...

[SirCakez]

They basically mean the same thing...

I didn't do anything to earn a SR. But you twisted that around for your own scummy purposes.

Dude get out of here with this
Everybody knows what you meant and you're playing word salad

[SirCakez]

i feel like there's something very wrong with the baltar/noraa interactions here but it's probably me being annoyed at both of them for different reasons

What is this crappy shading
"They seem wrong but also it's just probably me"

[SirCakez]

find a scum and I'll give you a big slice.

Why you gotta slice cakez up... what he do

we don't slice cakey!
we go to the bakery and find a cake.

But cakez IS scum, don't have to find him in no bakery

Vote me then

They basically mean the same thing...

I didn't do anything to earn a SR. But you twisted that around for your own scummy purposes.

Dude get out of here with this
Everybody knows what you meant and you're playing word salad

Bruh you always SR me when I'm town.

That's it! I'm going for you.

VOTE: Cakez

The prophecy is intact!

Nothing too serious yet. You?

Nora's obviously town. Gamma's scummy for supporting votes on me, & unwnd's towny for voting Gamma.

Dislike this post a lot
All of these reads seems forced and made up

[SirCakez]

Kinda feel like Noraa is leaning a little too hard on the "friends with everyone" shtick
I mean
She IS friends with everyone
But also this is mafia ya?

[SirCakez]

People seem way too eager to make reads to the point where I feel like accuracy is being compromised.

I actually think this is scum indicative
See: Shoshin

Kinda feel like Noraa is leaning a little too hard on the "friends with everyone" shtick
I mean
She IS friends with everyone
But also this is mafia ya?

I rarely get games like this as town. let me enjoy being UTR for once

mmm we'll see about that missus

Yes

The game is boring at the surface level for me, I'm not interested in what people type most of the time. I think it's all very easy to fake, therefore I look for tells that aren't explicit such as someone's timing or their delivery. I think scum are more likely to process their posts and even use rhetoric to give off a certain vibe, while townies are shamefully honest and full of mistakes. When it comes to you midway, my issue with reading you is that you seem afraid of mistakes. You'd rather comfortably sideline and say things like 'people are too quick to give reads' but I think that's both unhelpful and lazy. I stand by what I said earlier: Post whatever you want as long as it doesn't start to become hyperposting. You seem very afraid of being judged for a wrong read and I'm not sure if it's because you think you should really really think about them when there's about 283 posts (e.g You don't understand the concept of D1), or you're nervous for scum reasons; Right now I lean the latter.

this is flawed because if anything mastina's playstyle gets her scumread more, not townread

I will maybe do something sometime

art thou scum?

but the way she's giving out reads without properly explaining any of them makes me think she's more interested in having thoughts about the game than presenting those thoughts in a way that would earn her townpoints.

again I think this is actually scum indicative

We can do this the easy way or the hard way and I know you guys like the latter better, so I will let you guys discuss for a week, and then come back and wrangle the votes I need to kill scum like Shoshin.

join me and Baltar

VOTE: shoshin

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Noraa

I also find this scummy from ABR.

I highly doubt that you can read Noraa, her friendliness is NAI, she seems like she slip by right under your nose if you were an informed cop, and your chainsaw defense of your fake townread screams scum to me.

VOTE: Shoshin

Cakez isn't following this game closely.

shhhhhh

SirCake, why you vote me?

because your reads seem faked

[SirCakez]

I take back my town read on Nora.

why?

[SirCakez]

You played with me before, SirCake. What's different this game?

remind me when? they all blend together

[SirCakez]

You played with me before, SirCake. What's different this game?

remind me when? they all blend together

We played a couple games but it was over a year ago. My takeaway was that you were a very scummy towny, and I correctly read you both times. I played exactly like this, & and you didn't scumread me in those games. One of the games waa the FORTNIGHT game where half the players were playing this way, and they were all town. It's scum who tend to over explain what they're doing -- scum like to leave a record justifying all their behaviors. What I'm doing is not scummy, neither for me nor in general.

ok I don't remember those games so I am not using meta here

[SirCakez]

noraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
are you scum??

[SirCakez]

it's to subtly but not too obviously indicate my slowly developing SR on you

[SirCakez]

it's to subtly but not too obviously indicate my slowly developing SR on you

cool. back it up with a 5 paragraph essay and I'll consider ur application to my town block.

Ah the town block where everyone is elimmed in three days?

[SirCakez]

iv is like a Not_Mafia alt, right?

No he's not normally like this he's usually very thoughtful

[SirCakez]

Yeah iv is probably scum

[SirCakez]

Yeah iv is probably scum

What makes you get that impression? Should we yeet iv over shoshin?

I feel he's not trying here and I believe iv tried as town

[SirCakez]

tries*

[SirCakez]

lmfao IV has like ... 2 posts. where tf does a read on them come out of

why are you shutting down all my pushes

[SirCakez]

more importantly, why are ur pushes so easily shut down? have u ever thought that maybe you need to uh ... convince people?

How are either of my pushes shut down
You're just trying and failing

[SirCakez]

y'all posted a lot overnight
Be here later

[SirCakez]

UNVOTE:
Way too early for a fucking hammer

[SirCakez]

beep beep im a catching up jeep

[SirCakez]

more importantly, why are ur pushes so easily shut down? have u ever thought that maybe you need to uh ... convince people?

How are either of my pushes shut down
You're just trying and failing

you don't really have pushes. its more just u saying "iv is scum" and then calling it a push when theres no ... evidence?

to make it clear, I do not TR iv but I don't understand how anyone reads a slot like NM thru like ... 2 posts.

ok then shutting down my SRs

I'm only on page 20 but I'm liking the Shoshin wagon less and less

[SirCakez]

My Noraa-Cakez-unwnd townblock still exists fyi

since when is this a thing?

still reading but I want to shake a different tree
VOTE: innocentvillager

[SirCakez]

I'm kinda both reading what's going on now and catching up and the claims from both ends seem obviously fake

[SirCakez]

ok well then that's that
I will be coming after ABR and co with fire tomorrow if this flips green

[SirCakez]

Cakez can you stop voting Shoshin pls
don't you SR ABR, actually? Why are you letting him lead you?

what happened to this

[SirCakez]

ABR would YOLO dive this as scum

[SirCakez]

this was town you guys are stupid for pushing this through so fast

[SirCakez]

looking at a pool of (ABR, Noraa, IV, Gamma) right now

[SirCakez]

shoshin/iv/__
is it really just that easy?

I keep feeling like something's wrong.
Like Shoshin is being weird.
The meta reason doesn't even help. In fact, I feel like this really isn't her town meta anyways but then if she's scum and using her town meta, how tf does it end up so ... off?
iv scummy. dat has a decent case on it and I can buy it.
But is it really this easy?
Like maybe it is but im not really sure if it's really this easy.

bad bad posting

[SirCakez]

Spoiler:

If shoshin is town, u literally just killed one of town's most powerful players.

I hope you were right ABR. If you aren't, im never listening to you again on day 1's >:(

Noraa is already blaming someone else for this inevitable townflip that she helped make
She is scum

[SirCakez]

I keep feeling like something's wrong.
Like Shoshin is being weird.
The meta reason doesn't even help. In fact, I feel like this really isn't her town meta anyways but then if she's scum and using her town meta, how tf does it end up so ... off?
iv scummy. dat has a decent case on it and I can buy it.
But is it really this easy?
Like maybe it is but im not really sure if it's really this easy.

VOTE: Noraa

i don't believe this is a real thought

seriously IV, if noraa is scum who tf do you think she is scum WITH??? its obviously shoshin look at her iso.

back on shoshin please DO NOT DIVIDE THE TOWN AND TAKE OFF THE PRESSURE

yeah yeah i read your wiki page so sure, one at a time

VOTE: shoshin

also scum
"vote buddy but then move back to the actual town wagon"

[SirCakez]

lol you don't get to talk here ABR

[SirCakez]

UNVOTE:
Way too early for a fucking hammer

i think if someone hammers at this point and shoshin is town (unlikely), we trade 1 for 1.

well noraa you can vote shoshin now if it pleases you

groooossss

[SirCakez]

Ok. I'll help you push this wagon thru. the resistance to this wagon is plenty and it gives me pause.

what resistance
it got to L-1 in less than 24 hours

[SirCakez]

Shoshin is at L-1, everybody pay attention to this so no one "accidentally" hammers

pretty sure this is a classic scumtell

[SirCakez]

Like Cakez idc how shoshin read, do you not agree her behavior here is rather deplorable?

yeah she was obnoxious but that doesn't make her scum
since when are PLs a good outcome on day 1???

[SirCakez]

Shoshin is at L-1, everybody pay attention to this so no one "accidentally" hammers

pretty sure this is a classic scumtell

Also where was this when I originally called you out on this? Like damn dude, this turnaround kinda shady.

?????

yeah she was obnoxious but that doesn't make her scum
since when are PLs a good outcome on day 1???

i dont care about her personality, she was completely untrustworthy and incompetent

who cares??

[SirCakez]

idk why a bunch of people were hemming and hawing around iv's shitty posts but staying on the shoshin vote

^^^ yeah the dude is scum
opening with a vote on him tomorrow regardless of shoshin flip I think

[SirCakez]

its disgusting how Noraa and ABR were so into getting Shoshin flipped ASAP and are now acting all like it wasn't their fault that we just quickelimmed town

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Shoshin
I really don’t like how you treated me. And if you REALLY ARE a town PR, you fecked up by switching claims at the slightest pressure on your claim. You essentially have made your role a waste if that’s the case.

this is such a crappy reason for a vote

[SirCakez]

i am caught up
this wagon was a dumpster fire and I would not be surprised if all three scum were on it

[SirCakez]

i'm mind melding Peta rn

[SirCakez]

VOTE: innocentvillager
Time for him to go
Next Noraa

[SirCakez]

Alisae kill is from a team who did not want new viewpoints on the game

[SirCakez]

Nope she's scum

[SirCakez]

Now that Xenoblade 2 is over I can say that Noraa definitely reminds me of that game
Really spazzy and no consistency in reads or pushes

[SirCakez]

Midwaybear is also probably scum

[SirCakez]

Alisae kill is from a team who did not want new viewpoints on the game

maybe that suggests you should unvote me then yeah cuz i was probably the next wagon yah?

No it points to Noraa and ABR

[SirCakez]

Cakez, literally everyone scumread me at the end of yeserday

there was not a single person who thinks im town, so yeah it kind of does point to me

You were dead no matter what
My theory is scum are more worried about the other two

[SirCakez]

Also cake you haven't even played two full games with me. U have zero right to use meta against me. I fucking always die to meta trash.

Regardless of meta you're scummy af this game

[SirCakez]

Midwaybear is also probably scum

Why??

Bad posturing around Shoshin and lack of presence

[SirCakez]

someone save me

datisi please engage me don't give up on me

scum flailing

[SirCakez]

this was why i hated her just saying you were LHF-ish because it didn't feel like a real attempt to sort you and she'd just seen you get blown out of the water on a bad d1 as scum. more words later

Yup! Felt like a pocket attempt

[SirCakez]

lack of presence

lol are you serious? When have I ever had a presence in a game
VOTE: SirCakez

Scum ass response

[SirCakez]

{ABR, Iconeum, DeasVail}
{midwaybear}

Crappy distancing

[SirCakez]

Scum ass response

Sure dude. Want to talk about why you decided to give "lack of presence" to scumread me?

Because your day 1 was awful and you did nothing to progress the game aside from loling on the Shoshin wagon

[SirCakez]

Your Datisi vote was crap and had no conviction behind it

[SirCakez]

HARDCLAIM!!! I'M A TOWN DISLOYAL HIDER!!! I TARGETED MIDWAYBEAR LAST NIGHT!!!

press x to doubt

[SirCakez]

It's just bullshit don't read into it

[SirCakez]

that is a role i could believe gypyx to be insane enough to come up with but frankly iv is scum so

VOTE: iv

I tentatively believe the claim. Unvote. Dont rush.

scumlord
ABR would definitely make this shit up as scum

[SirCakez]

nobody would even trust his results

[SirCakez]

IV can investigate scum if we have a tracker/watcher.

Theres zero chance hes getting flipped today I dont give a fuck what anyone says.

lol no IV is going out today no matter what

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Sircakez

Everybody join

LOL

[SirCakez]

ABR is flailing he knows his buddy is going down and then Noraa and him will follow

[SirCakez]

if there's a role that saw iv visit mwb/no visit, they should stay quiet and come out with that stuff *after* we flip iv

No. If theres a role that can give info on this situation they should claim it.

this is such a scummy post

[SirCakez]

if not iv, i'm going midway, take your pick

no don't give scum an out
midway is scummy but IV and co are way worse

[SirCakez]

and she retracted her fakeclaim afterwards and gave us another fakeclaim. what a bad play. lynch it with fire

VOTE: Shoshin

shoshin were you town?

Oh yeah you can definitely expect a straight answer from a disgruntled scum/town slot who threatens to siteflake in the middle of the game

We needed to get rid of this awful slot before it caused us problems in the long run. NO REGRATS.

We did the right thing either way. I was literally going to change my vote if she had claimed VT or a reasonable PR. It's too bad she decided to prioritize her ego over the group's enjoyment.

lol you don't get to talk here ABR

Sure I do, I got rid of a terrible player that would have scumsided and lost us the game. You don't have to thank me, I work for free.

just look at this AWFUL progression on Shoshin

[SirCakez]

that is a role i could believe gypyx to be insane enough to come up with but frankly iv is scum so

VOTE: iv

I tentatively believe the claim. Unvote. Dont rush.

scumlord
ABR would definitely make this shit up as scum

do you think abr would play the way he's been playing as scum?

100%

[SirCakez]

actually I may want to do ABR tomorrow instead of IV

[SirCakez]

instead of Noraa*

[SirCakez]

seriously IV, if noraa is scum who tf do you think she is scum WITH??? its obviously shoshin look at her iso.

back on shoshin please DO NOT DIVIDE THE TOWN AND TAKE OFF THE PRESSURE

yeah yeah i read your wiki page so sure, one at a time

VOTE: shoshin

scummy fucking vote

(that was a joke btw)

idk, shoshin could definitely be scum despite my weaktownlean. i just don't know. let's see where this goes

fence sitting so he can escape blame when Sho flips town

i just don't understand, how as scum i could possibly be comfortable with this gamestate when ABR has a reputation for just like, powerdriving elims (probably as scum as well as town) and hammering early

says this but STAYS ON SHOSHIN WAGON

2) see if my buddies can bail me out

UNVOTE: shoshin

unvotes but then

VOTE: shoshin

REVOTES IN FIVE POSTS

VOTE: Shoshin

AND THEN REVOTES AGAIN

if anyone hammers and the flips green in the next like, 24 hours or so, that's a scumclaim in my eyes.

SAYS THIS BUT DOESNT UNVOTE ALLOWING HIS SCUMBUDDY ABR TO QUICKHAMMER

[SirCakez]

tbh shoshin was obvtown and i was going to unvote i swear, i did call for them not to be hammered in the next 24 hrs

get out of here with this

[SirCakez]

I will NOT ACCEPT VOTES FOR ANYONE OTHER THAN IV TODAY

[SirCakez]

iv it's ok
scum gotta do what they gotta do

[SirCakez]

cakez, can i get shotgun reads/poe from you? (if you hadn't done so in the past 6 pages, it was fast)

what does shotgun mean

[SirCakez]

IV - scumlord
ABR - scumlord
Noraa - scumlord
midwaybear - scummy but not scumlord level
Ico - - fine prob town others are way worse. if my SRs flipped town somehow he would slide.
DV - fine prob town others are way worse
Gamma - fine
VP Baltar - townlean
Datisi - townlean esp because of that shitty IV vote day 1
peta - hella town he mindmelds me

[SirCakez]

Ico doesn't have a post in the game????????

[SirCakez]

LOL scratch that read then I was thinking of another game
still by POE he's not on my radar atm

[SirCakez]

feel like scum is just letting town eat itself up this game

somehow, the consensus takes are just wrong, tbh i might need to rethink midway but idek if ill have that luxury

once DV and Ico weigh in we might have a little more color, maybe not

Baltar could be scum too

That was yesterday

[SirCakez]

I'm a tracker. I tracked sircakez to midway last night and I'm pretty sure he's scum.

Wow
This is correct
I will not reveal why

[SirCakez]

I'm not full claiming stop fishing

[SirCakez]

I got a result from midway that was unclear

[SirCakez]

the radio silence from cake is great

I was raging at demons souls this shade is garbage

[SirCakez]

A tracker + my role makes me think there is absolutely no way IV's role exists

[SirCakez]

full claim now

No you're playing terribly this game and your demands for a claim yesterday got town elimmed and claiming will not do ANYTHING for town here

[SirCakez]

stop trying to fucking intimidate me

[SirCakez]

Bullshit

[SirCakez]

Knowing my role ONLY HELPS SCUM HERE

[SirCakez]

Lmao ABR is probably scum tracker

[SirCakez]

A tracker + my role makes me think there is absolutely no way IV's role exists

honestly if that's the case might as well out it because we're gonna be here until that gets resolved?

This is a better reason to claim then Abr's garbage

1 v 1

Nope IV is dying

[SirCakez]

I have him dead to rights and it's over.

Scumlord

[SirCakez]

ABR is so scared of his buddies dying today that he had to full claim his scum role

[SirCakez]

HAHAHA CAUGHT SCUM DOESNT KNOW WHAT TO CLAIM LOL!!!

"I am scum and desperate to know town prs!!!!!!!!!!"

[SirCakez]

ABR is so scared of his buddies dying today that he had to full claim his scum role

this doesn't really support your hypothesis that scum are comfortable sans me...

I already said they were yesterday not now

[SirCakez]

cakez i dislike this bullshit as much as anyone but if there truly is countering claims between you/iv/abr it's better to have it out

besides i have some info that *might* be able to confirm someone

Ok because I TR you
I am a Roaming Detective. I can check someone each night to see if they have done a killing action before in the game. But I can't check anyone more than once.
I picked midway cuz he was sort of scummy and seemed under the radar enough for scum to pick him to do the kill.

[SirCakez]

Cakez is calling people "scumlord" something that you often do?

I need to ask because it's an irrational scumtell for me.

(Also I kind of just want to lynch Noraa, is that bad?)

Sometimes

guys if im a scum tracker i just keep my mouth shut and kill sircakez tonight. this is incredibly shortsighted allegations from sircakez

No because you can try to get me (a town PR) MLed and save your buddy for another day

[SirCakez]

There is no way there is a Tracker, Hider and Detective all town
ABR and/or IV are scum

[SirCakez]

sorry I don't believe it, it took you too long to claim.

My real role is this: Lazy Odd-Night Tracker Even-Night Motion Detector

You wouldn't have anyway you're full of crap this game

[SirCakez]

ABR is aggressive enough where he would claim this as town
There's just no evidence for me to see IV's claim here

[SirCakez]

There's also a possibility there is a scum watcher and saw me visit midway and they fed the result to ABR and that's how IV knew it was safe to claim that he visited midway

[SirCakez]

I am 100% scum

[SirCakez]

Vanilla tracker for town is just bullshit

[SirCakez]

doc should be on ABR tonight.

LOL

[SirCakez]

Noraa is soooooo scum

[SirCakez]

^^^ soooooo full of shit

[SirCakez]

ABR's entire play today has been constructed around protecting IV
This is what he does as scum

[SirCakez]

And how does it not fit with mine?

[SirCakez]

Cake so you visited midway and got that midway did a killing action?

Did not I obviously would have outed that

[SirCakez]

I know cakez very well and this isn't remotely close to how he reacts as town. He knows he's caught scum he's trolling all of you.

Since when do you know how I react as town or scum

[SirCakez]

It's not 1v1 stop trying to make it that
IV dies today

[SirCakez]

If me visiting midway was so suspicious why did you not start pushing me immediately? It's totally scum motivated

[SirCakez]

How does me visiting midway make him town at all

[SirCakez]

it took sircakez way too long to claim as he was thinking of what to say and his role doesnt fit like mine and iv's do. besides that, hes making extremely obvious lies which i can quote back to you and makes it impossible hes not scum.

Because now my role is way less effective because scum are aware of it
Thanks to your crap

[SirCakez]

Why can't abr just be the scum version of his role

[SirCakez]

Why can't abr just be the scum version of his role

why would he out here? just to save iv?

this question could be asked regardless of alignment

[SirCakez]

why?

[SirCakez]

A tracker + my role makes me think there is absolutely no way IV's role exists

Okay this is bad imo
IV+ABR or IV+Cakez make some sense. ABR+Cakez lacks synergy to that degree. I don’t know why Cakez jumped to pushing IV and it’s kinda sus

why doesn't it make sense?
IV's day play is so bad I can't see it as town

[SirCakez]

ABR is obviously town
which strongly suggests I am town

Can cakez still be town given both of us are town?

there's no way all three of us are town too much town power

[SirCakez]

it literally doesnt matter, ive got midway and IV in my corner and we're voting as a block, good luck getting consensus without us. tunneling cakez for the rest of the day.

nobody is listening to you IV literally just said he thinks I'm town

[SirCakez]

cakez, it's really not

why would this have three investigatives? what about protective or utility roles?

[SirCakez]

cakez, it's really not

why would this have three investigatives? what about protective or utility roles?

1) iv isn't an investigative 2) why would it not have? again, have you seen the last one lmao

hider essentially just function as cop that dies if they get a red no?
the last one was fucky but it had role variety

[SirCakez]

specifically,

If I target scum and they die at night, I die regardless of what happens to me
If I target scum and they don’t die at night (even if they are shot but somehow stay alive) and I get shot, I don’t die
If I target town it’s as if I didn’t submit any action at all, I will die if and only if I get shot

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[SirCakez]

ok I see this changes things
so IT IS POSSIBLE

[SirCakez]

Fuck off sircakez is scum you clowns

how did this work last time for you dude

[SirCakez]

now i'm paranoid we're all town and scum Noraa is skating by here

[SirCakez]

its ok to be wrong

[SirCakez]

is albert usually like... that?

yes lol don't take anything he says personally

[SirCakez]

woah chill

Fine i will consider a vote there. Let’s just wait and see what happens

don't fall for his AtE

[SirCakez]

woah chill

Fine i will consider a vote there. Let’s just wait and see what happens

don't fall for his AtE

do you think ABR is town or scum?

still lean scum but I am paranoid
he would pull this as town
and now that there is a chance we are all town (because I actually understand your claim) my desire to yeet him is lessened

[SirCakez]

what crack is abr smoking

[SirCakez]

woah chill

Fine i will consider a vote there. Let’s just wait and see what happens

don't fall for his AtE

It just feels like this is directed at town!me who supposedly believes scum!ABR so now I’m going but you scumread both of us, but you’re actually scum who knows we’re both town so now I’m going?????

maybe I am wrong on you being town...

i can't parse this post
i'm saying regardless of ABR alignment don't fall for his AtE
if he's town here he's really wrong and has his head up his ass

[SirCakez]

Cakez, ABR's case on you isn't terrible. Why did you target midway when he wasn't a "scum Lord"?

i already said this but since my role looks for people who have killed I wanted to go after someone low-profile who scum would assign to a kill
and also due to the Roaming part I wanted to save my top SRs to check later when more time has gone by as I check for killing actions all nights, not just the night of the kill

[SirCakez]

i never crumb
my result didn't "clear" midway so ofc he's still in my pool. you seem to fundamentally not understand my role.

remember your theory about scum wanting to eliminate any new voices. SIRCAKEZ IS THE SCUM WHO DIDNT FEEL THREATENED. HE KILLED A NEW VOICE BECAUSE HE THOUGHT WE WOULD LYNCH IV.

why would I bring this up if it was my plan

[SirCakez]

show me where midway had presence day 1

[SirCakez]

i was gone from the thread for 12 hours. when I came back, an early day 1 wagon was morphing into (and did) the eod elim. so ofc I pulled off it.
and you're pulling all of this out of your ass because you just can't ever say you're wrong

[SirCakez]

solely on dayplay I think ABR and you are horribly scummy
but the interaction of claims makes me think there's a decent chance both of you could be town
rn I'm thinking about it

[SirCakez]

scum were probably loaded on the Shoshin wagon what are you talking about ABR
a quickelim on town doesn't just happen like that without scum

[SirCakez]

Guys lets have a discussion about cakez

Could be scum. You make good points. I don't want to clog the thread up with that too much more rn so people can catch up. I don't think Cakez is off the table for a yeet today

what points? the only thing you offered was my targeting of midway and I explained this

[SirCakez]

because I felt like you did when you were town in the past
Peta pointed out another ISO

[SirCakez]

It's also not long after this Noraa post above that Cakez starts criticizing the Shoshin wagon (followed by being super dramatic after the hammer).

Was I wrong though?

[SirCakez]

Ok, can you get more specific? I don't think peta's ISO really shows presence(except when I tried to tryhard in the first 2 days of Smoke). I'm typically more laid back.

You felt noncommittal on everything and didn't really commit to any pushes that I saw. I can pull specific posts if you want. It just doesn't read like what I saw in Smoke and Xenoblade.

[SirCakez]

It's also not long after this Noraa post above that Cakez starts criticizing the Shoshin wagon (followed by being super dramatic after the hammer).

Was I wrong though?

And I showed up at that moment because that was when I read the thread and caught up.

[SirCakez]

Guys lets have a discussion about cakez

Could be scum. You make good points. I don't want to clog the thread up with that too much more rn so people can catch up. I don't think Cakez is off the table for a yeet today

what points? the only thing you offered was my targeting of midway and I explained this

[SirCakez]

i was *on* the wagon tho??

Ok fine so Gamma is not probscum then.

cakez/noraa/gamma?

Nice progression
ABR's posting is incoherent because it's faked

[SirCakez]

I think I'm starting to believe in the world of IV town ABR scum

[SirCakez]

And of course Noraa scum

[SirCakez]

ABR is just sooooo desperate here you can tell
I'll go ahead and move my vote
VOTE: abr

[SirCakez]

because what Datisi said about how we all CAN be town but don't HAVE to be resonated and frankly I can't reconcile ABR's play here with him being town
IV, maybe. And his role fits ok with mine and doesn't make sense as scum.

[SirCakez]

New info came out obviously
You're misrepresenting soooooooo hard and it's not working

[SirCakez]

now i'm paranoid we're all town and scum Noraa is skating by here

Maybe? Why can’t it be mwb or DV or something
Though I also dislike that Noraa’s activity has dropped hard. You might actually be onto something there.

It can be Noraa in addition to those players
Noraa just screams scum to me

[SirCakez]

i really don't think I can replicate this kind of shameless quick stream of consciousness AtE as scum

it's too much cognitive effort for me

instead i would probably try to take a more logical approach or act annoyed, or idek, even just lurk away from the thread (as you saw in 2175, like datisi said we were in an okay spot even if i died so i was comfortable more or less just lurking it out and maybe getting lolhammered maybe not)

Cakez failed this test. Its in my case. He is very much relying on older lies and not changing his mind organically.

Haven't caught up yet but this is such bullshit and I can quote the progression in my own ISO

[SirCakez]

I think I'm starting to believe in the world of IV town ABR scum

in what world does IV Cakez town ABR scum even make sense? what's ABR's agenda here for fakeclaiming and saving me...?

This is what I'm stuck on
Maybe he wanted to pocket you and strongarm an elim on a PR? He was probably worried about my reads. ABR would do that as scum. And then tomorrow he can just laugh it off LIKE HE DID TODAY WITH SHOSHIN

[SirCakez]

Like as SOON as I'm hammered I guarantee he'll start playing up the "oops well we needed to PL him anyways" crap he did yesterday
Because he's scum

[SirCakez]

Also calling my push on ABR OMGUS is ridiculous when he was one of my top SRs yesterday

[SirCakez]

Im certain cakez strategy today was to mimic me yesterday and get another ML. He wanted to make it look like hes a PR with more info than everyone. Look at how certain and tunnely he is. When you know he visited midway and has nothing on IV, you read that section very differently. I had to claim and put an end to it.

Less tunnely than you scumlord

[SirCakez]

At that point in the game I didn't need anything on IV his day play was atrocious

[SirCakez]

Troll LOL abr c'mon you know me better than that

[SirCakez]

Why are you so desperate to rush this?

[SirCakez]

I assume he actually has that role but it's the scum version

[SirCakez]

It DOES clash with my role
Two town investigatives combined with your role and probably more PRs doesn't make sense it's way too strong

[SirCakez]

IV you actually think we could all be town here?

[SirCakez]

midway's tone when pushed on their low presence felt like a butthurt townie as i said
peta picked up on a vibe i agree with, when IV seemed to be rolefishing
i think VP has a pleasant ISO if you read it

that is the...quaintest reason anyone has given to townread me

how does having a "pleasant ISO" equate to someone being town?

You are obvtown.

In fact I used your obvtowniness in order to crumb that midway was visited last night and i believed that he was visited by scum, making midway potentially town.

Why did you open today completely ignoring me if visiting midway was so scummy

[SirCakez]

midway's tone when pushed on their low presence felt like a butthurt townie as i said
peta picked up on a vibe i agree with, when IV seemed to be rolefishing
i think VP has a pleasant ISO if you read it

that is the...quaintest reason anyone has given to townread me

how does having a "pleasant ISO" equate to someone being town?

You are obvtown.

In fact I used your obvtowniness in order to crumb that midway was visited last night and i believed that he was visited by scum, making midway potentially town.

Why did you open today completely ignoring me if visiting midway was so scummy

To trap you, brother

That's not your playstyle at all

I assume he actually has that role but it's the scum version

yeah but i don't know why you would want to claim that because i'd think there's a decent chance of getting cc'd on either tracker or motion detector, and also just claiming in general feels dumb

IV you actually think we could all be town here?

i don't see why it's impossible at all? also, if there are that many town PRs, it's possible some of them are like, anti-synergizing/red herrings and/or scum has lots of power?

From role synergy doesn't make sense for there to be scum and town versions of similar role esp if you look at old Gypx setups
Nothing claimed so far has neg utility though...and nobody claimed neg utility earlier

[SirCakez]

Like when you vigged me because I was pushing you?

[SirCakez]

cakez, while we're here i wanted to address an old point (maybe no longer relevant) you tried to get across but i still have a rebuttal to

when you brought up the whole "scum being comfortable with gamestate and not wanting outsider perspectives" thing, I responded by saying that points to me/midway/Noraa not being comprised of 2+ scum since we were the main suspects, probably in that order. Then, you said "that was yesterday, not anymore".

but I don't really understand what could've possibly changed so much? in your scum!innocentvillager world where my partners have deepwolfed and are comfortable with me eating the rope today, it doesn't make sense for my partner ABR to stick his neck out for scum!IV when a) I was already anticipated to be wagoned, so we've prepped the "fakeclaim" b) we're analyzing under the assumption he's trying to deepwolf and not take cc/other big risks with him and his other deepwolf

I think Noraa and ABR could have been behind that kill (not sure about midway). Alisae is a strong personality (like Noraa and ABR) and the less of those the easier it is to strongarm the game like ABR is trying right now.
This is why I don't think ABR and you are scum together anymore
Doesn't add up. That post was from before all the claims came out.

[SirCakez]

At that point Noraa and ABR were suspected but still could easily work out of it.

[SirCakez]

I don't think people actually think that I'm saying that's what ABR is gonna say when there's a hammer so he can try to offload the responsibility for a town elim

[SirCakez]

if people won't actually think it's a PL then why would scum!ABR use that as a dumb excuse afterwards that obviously no one is going to buy? you've done nothing remotely PL worthy compared to Shoshin, clearly ABR has every intention of taking full responsibility for this one

Nobody thought Shoshin was a PL either, until after hammer suddenly people were calling it one

[SirCakez]

Cake's push on ABR is garbage ...

Why? His push on me is unbelievably bad and he was one of the leaders in the Shoshin wagon

[SirCakez]

Cake's push on ABR is garbage ...

Why? His push on me is unbelievably bad and he was one of the leaders in the Shoshin wagon

His push on you is bad is not a way to justify ur terrible push?
+ his push on you is better :/

but I was already SRing him from the bad Shoshin play...
not sure why I'm arguing with you when you're scum anyways

[SirCakez]

i remember seeing scum!koba put a veto on you in chosen mafia

anyway you still haven't answered my question of what are your reads?

I read the scum PT, and koba vetoed me because they would feel bad pushing me or something. Idk, but I'm not sure if that was because they think I could obv town and stuff, but I've mostly dropped that play in games.

I haven't really been thinking of whole game reads, and I'm trying to think about the current claims. Both ABR and Cakez are very scummy while IV is sorta just floating around. I'm not sure what to make of that. Outside of these claims I'm townreading Noraa and petapan.

this is what I mean by midway's lack of presence
yeah he makes posts but it's just total fluff
look at his analysis of the tri-claim
"i'm not sure what to make of that"
completely fencesitting

[SirCakez]

i'm going back through the overnight posting now as I never actually read it

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Noraa
Jsyk if this flips scum it’s the second time scum has misrepresented my meta in a super-bad way that got them caught.
You cannot hope to defeat me in a meta-reading challenge. I am simply the best there is. (Not really)

probtown Gamma here
reads just like his Xenoblade 2 BM rage

ABR is just sooooo desperate here you can tell
I'll go ahead and move my vote
VOTE: abr

Desperate about what, exactly?

to get a PR ML off and not let me flip it back on him

ABR is flailing he knows his buddy is going down and then Noraa and him will follow

why the omgus?

it's not omgus
I was SRing ABR since the end of day 1

ok

so what's the claims here?

ABR: monstrosity odd night tracker thing even night motion detector?
SirC: detective? what does this role do exactly?
IV: disloyal hider

did i miss any claims?

roaming detective
each night I can check someone to see if they have performed any killing actions the whole game
but I can't check the same person twice

@ABR, if you are so certain of IV scum, how are you coming to a scum!SirC conclusion. I think they've been on IV's ass for a while this game, and it doesn't look like bussing to me.

ftr I have been off of IV since yesterday

ABR seriously considering sheeping you on cakez for survival purposes

no more self voting/giving up for me

also this is townie
scum would just do this and not talk about it

[SirCakez]

you can say words but that doesn't make them true

[SirCakez]

i remember seeing scum!koba put a veto on you in chosen mafia

anyway you still haven't answered my question of what are your reads?

I read the scum PT, and koba vetoed me because they would feel bad pushing me or something. Idk, but I'm not sure if that was because they think I could obv town and stuff, but I've mostly dropped that play in games.

I haven't really been thinking of whole game reads, and I'm trying to think about the current claims. Both ABR and Cakez are very scummy while IV is sorta just floating around. I'm not sure what to make of that. Outside of these claims I'm townreading Noraa and petapan.

this is what I mean by midway's lack of presence
yeah he makes posts but it's just total fluff
look at his analysis of the tri-claim
"i'm not sure what to make of that"
completely fencesitting

this is NAI to town!indicative for me, are you sure it's scum!indicative for midway?

first say why its NAI to town!indicative for you cuz I don't see it at all

[SirCakez]

it is kind of hard for me to have a stance on something, especially when i start to doubt myself

i am the fenciest of fencesitters

most of my reads just end up being like "lean town"

there's no argument that midway have been fencesitting since pg1 and even complained that other people have been too quick to make reads, the question is just "is it scummy" which I am actually not as convinced of as I was before.

I think in this gamestate it is
People are looking at the people taking sides
Not the people not taking a side at all

[SirCakez]

ABR can feel the PR miselim slipping through his fingers is the answer

[SirCakez]

Noraa arguing with cakez but no vote

Cakez arguing back because he expects to go down today and is trying to distance.

Kabuke theater.

why should I vote?

last I voted with consensus it was fucking wrong. Cake is a scumbutt but is there any need to be rushing the fuck out of every day?
Plus he claimed pr which makes me wary of limming there.

And this is just because Noraa doesn't want to be associated with two miselims in a row

[SirCakez]

Does ABR's rush to hit elim here not concern anyone else?

[SirCakez]

i didn't scumread cakez off day 1, agreed with what he was saying about iv to start the day, but his posting today is increasingly starting to look like his scum flail

your wording makes it seem meta based? any meta evidence that he kind of flails like this as scum

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

literally just ended

I take offense I wasn't flailing there
All skill

[SirCakez]

You get credit for leading a rushed miselim on town!

[SirCakez]

Does ABR's rush to hit elim here not concern anyone else?

Does ABR's rush to hit elim here not concern anyone else?

Does ABR's rush to hit elim here not concern anyone else?

Does ABR's rush to hit elim here not concern anyone else?

Does ABR's rush to hit elim here not concern anyone else?

Does ABR's rush to hit elim here not concern anyone else?

Does ABR's rush to hit elim here not concern anyone else?

Does ABR's rush to hit elim here not concern anyone else?

Does ABR's rush to hit elim here not concern anyone else?

Does ABR's rush to hit elim here not concern anyone else?

Does ABR's rush to hit elim here not concern anyone else?

[SirCakez]

shush scumoraaaaaaa
i only want to see puppy gifs from you from now on

[SirCakez]

i hate puppies
they pee everywhere

[SirCakez]

never had one so I can't judge

[SirCakez]

lmao

[SirCakez]

yeah Cakez's gradual disappearance and reduced urgency/content per post etc. as he gets run up does kind of feel like scum giving up

I don't have the energy to fight YET ANOTHER FUCKING ELIM ON MYSELF
I GET ELIMMED IN EVERY GAME I PLAY AND IM SO DONE

so yes I'm giving up here
It seems like everyone is indifferent anyways and VP will hammer me
DV's hop on me looks bad so if the tri-claim is all town he'd probably where I'd go next, along with Noraa and midway

[SirCakez]

I cannot express how frustrated I am that I rolled a PR I was excited to play here and am being miselimmed
I feel no matter what the fuck I do I get scum read for it

"He's too present"
"He's not present enough"
"He's arguing too much"
"He's flailing"
"His claim doesn't fit"

Just fuck off!

[SirCakez]

Like 80% of the games I've played since I've returned I have been elimmed
I just don't have the energy to defend myself anymore

[SirCakez]

I would perhaps slightly prefer a noraa vote here but I can get behind the cakez wagon.

I must admit I don't think that it's impossible for cakez/iv/abr to all be town and if cakez is town I would likely not support a view that it incriminates abr or iv.

Honestly, Cakez just had me at "scumcake"

Look at this garbage
This is what I'm working with this game
And ABR's constant fucking spam saying "elim cakes" over and over again

[SirCakez]

yeah Cakez's gradual disappearance and reduced urgency/content per post etc. as he gets run up does kind of feel like scum giving up

yeah Cakez's gradual disappearance and reduced urgency/content per post etc. as he gets run up does kind of feel like scum giving up

agree, it makes the preceding content seem all the more fake

When I am here, my content looks faked
When I am not here, my content seems more fake
What the fuck

[SirCakez]

What lies abr? What lies?

[SirCakez]

What lies abr? What lies?

how does knowing your role only help scum?

how does it make sense im a scum tracker unless you think im throwing the game for scum?

why did you say that scum were willing to trade 2 scum for 1 town PR (you)?

why did you not drop any hints about your visit to midway on day 2?

And I know you gave an answer to this, but your use of your ability on midway and not noraa or IV n1 is not believable to me.

-they can now plan around having people kill who are less likely to visit me
-because two town investigatives of our type doesn't make sense
-i didn't say that. I said potentially you were trying to strongarm an elim on me to save a scum buddy. I later rethought this anyway.
-why would I? I got nothing from it