Mini Normal 2180 | Fake Peoples | Endgame

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: Daddisi for not actually trying to figure out my alignment

[innocentvillager]

Iconeum has 36 hours to confirm before being replaced

oof thanksgiving going into black friday going into dragon's weekend v/la is he gonna make it?

only time will tell

[innocentvillager]

Datisi is scum

[innocentvillager]

hm

[innocentvillager]

So why did you go so hard in Revelations? That player list made me happy and you made my scum team go through living hell immediately that game

LOL yeah I fucked shit up that game. I was angry and determined to win. Now I try to be more friendly and help people enjoy the game more. Winning isn't everything, the real joy is in having a good time and meeting new people. Lockdown has been a bitch.

wholesome

[innocentvillager]

I will maybe do something sometime

[innocentvillager]

Datisi is town

[innocentvillager]

iv is like a Not_Mafia alt, right?

I wish, tbh

[innocentvillager]

why is this noraa person half the game

[innocentvillager]

another pagetop for daddy

[innocentvillager]

Gamma's catchup seems townie mostly because it stands out and doesn't look super good.

i agree with the halfway here

[innocentvillager]

shoshin, the "you wanna talk about it" was aimed at you too.

My silence was your answer.

VOTE: shoshin

VOTE: shoshin
I will sheep daddisi here

[innocentvillager]

ico kinda sus

[innocentvillager]

imagine if we got into am actual, non theatre shitfight this game daddisi

I don’t get into shitfights as town but... lol

[innocentvillager]

I’m pretty sure you’re just town though so there’s no point anyway

[innocentvillager]

but you don’t care about actually trying to determine my alignment

[innocentvillager]

it is a read, that I had more confidence on this morning, but I’ve forgotten why I townread you at this point

But I did at one point, so, I’ll take that

[innocentvillager]

yes deasvail is a friendly poster iirc

[innocentvillager]

i think it’s interesting! curious to see what others will say

[innocentvillager]

you bringing up iv has made me go recheck some meta, and honestly i do think this is very much scum!indicative behaviour for him.

i'd like to sit by and wait and see where the shoshin wagon goes, but the issue is that i feel like iv flipping scum implies shoshin being town... but i also don't want albert to yell at me. what to do, what to do...

lol, even I don’t think my current level of engagement here looks in line with any of my meta, curious how the meta strengthens your read here

[innocentvillager]

im not scum, i promise i am just innocentvillager

[innocentvillager]

noraa ruined the birthday party surprise

[innocentvillager]

i don’t have any reads I feel strongly about tbh

[innocentvillager]

i don’t have any reads I feel strongly about tbh

Great, stand aside and let me work.

yep! that’s what I’ve been doing mostly

[innocentvillager]

that is why this kinda behaviour makes me think that if iv is scum, shoshin isn't, because in that world, the game is going smoothly without his presence. he doesn't *need* to actually post anything meaningful. him voting shoshin definitely won't discourage albert from pushing her through, but it's not a vote that gives towncred if she flips red?

Yes, I agree. You are town.

I remembered why I townread Datisi

[innocentvillager]

I think I’m just going to unquestionably hide behind and sheep Datisi for the rest of the game contingent on it not being me

[innocentvillager]

I remembered why I townread Datisi

great i'm ready to hear that explained

it looks like you actually care about sorting my alignment this game and you pointed something out about my meta even I wasn’t aware of

[innocentvillager]

and i don't see why he'd play like this as town.

humans are complicated!

[innocentvillager]

Datisi I like your positioning on me tbh

I like that you scumread me for some reason, you’re unknowingly pocketing me by doing so yet you are

it feels easier to appeal to me in your spot by totally switching up your playstyle or approach

but instead, you’re grilled me and having interesting takes and not clearly pushing an agenda

[innocentvillager]

"you care about sorting my alignment" is a big meme from 2175 and i will not be taking this as a serious answer

Despite it being a meme, I did mean it seriously in this context

[innocentvillager]

what's the deal with the faces on every vc? Are they AI generated? What's that got to do with fake people? Are they lying somehow?

I would love to know this!

[innocentvillager]

Datisi can I ask if you actually think Shoshin is scum? You don’t have to answer if you don’t want to

[innocentvillager]

tbh I am voting shoshin bc you are LOL

[innocentvillager]

I thought Datisi’s vote on shoshin was pretty townie

[innocentvillager]

why do you not think people would follow you on me? I’m an active lurker posting nothing useful and you are not the only person who got mild scumpings on me

[innocentvillager]

the more I see these weird things from you Datisi, the more I townread it

[innocentvillager]

ah I’m going to get you noghtkilled at this rate

[innocentvillager]

gamma, baltar might be town
midwaybear might be scum

don’t feel strongly about these though

[innocentvillager]

actually weaktownlean shoshin and unwnd too

[innocentvillager]

cakez was townlean too

[innocentvillager]

that is why this kinda behaviour makes me think that if iv is scum, shoshin isn't, because in that world, the game is going smoothly without his presence. he doesn't *need* to actually post anything meaningful. him voting shoshin definitely won't discourage albert from pushing her through, but it's not a vote that gives towncred if she flips red?

Yes, I agree. You are town.

what exactly were you agreeing with me on here? do you think iv could be scum? frankly his recent posts just make me wanna kill him more...

the more you wanna kill me the more I townread you

You might as well just go all in at this point if you’re scum!

[innocentvillager]

that’s fair, again my shoshin vote was purely a sheep vote

[innocentvillager]

ehh sometimes I just get into different moods depending on how engaged I am with the game. Don’t think meta will help much here unfortunately

i May be less engaged and lower effort than a normal game but I’m not throwing

[innocentvillager]

but I definitely noticed he suddenly started engaging when I said I might be open to joining you there.

right, clearly this was the motivator that caused me to start engaging (?)

I get that everyone notices what happens with respect to themselves more often but you have to agree upon further reflection that regardless of my alignment this isn’t a compelling hypothesis, no?

[innocentvillager]

shoshin/iv/__
is it really just that easy?

lol there's no way this is a real solve right

[innocentvillager]

you agree with datisi's case on me

but you ignore the very contingent part of that case where, if i'm scum, shoshin isn't

??

[innocentvillager]

I keep feeling like something's wrong.
Like Shoshin is being weird.
The meta reason doesn't even help. In fact, I feel like this really isn't her town meta anyways but then if she's scum and using her town meta, how tf does it end up so ... off?
iv scummy. dat has a decent case on it and I can buy it.
But is it really this easy?
Like maybe it is but im not really sure if it's really this easy.

VOTE: Noraa

i don't believe this is a real thought

[innocentvillager]

so, the whole point of datisi's case on me is that i did this once when i was *comfortable* with the gamestate

i can't really be comfortable with the gamestate, as datisi says, if people are light fosing me but driving a wagon on my scumbuddy shoshin

but you buy Datisi's case

so when you go "Omg, something's wrong, shoshin/iv is the obvious solve but is it really that easy", i just don't buy that this is real paranoia that a real townie would have

there is an obvious reason to not believe shoshin/iv/? is the solve which happened to be the somewhat necessary conclusion of datisi's scum!iv case that you found convincing

[innocentvillager]

seriously IV, if noraa is scum who tf do you think she is scum WITH??? its obviously shoshin look at her iso.

back on shoshin please DO NOT DIVIDE THE TOWN AND TAKE OFF THE PRESSURE

yeah yeah i read your wiki page so sure, one at a time

VOTE: shoshin

[innocentvillager]

midwaybear/noraa/?

is it really that easy?

[innocentvillager]

(that was a joke btw)

idk, shoshin could definitely be scum despite my weaktownlean. i just don't know. let's see where this goes

[innocentvillager]

I mean, they probably both aren't scum here. I'd suspect some number of scum are in the background right now if it is Shoshin. If Shoshin is town, I'm mostly going to be scanning the pile of people trying to stay off the wagon for flimsy reasons.

i love and mindmeld with these level 1 population exploit arguments, controversial i know but they're just so compelling to me

[innocentvillager]

I could hammer this btw.

lets raise the stakes, you vote shoshin and i declare intent for hammer

UNVOTE:

hahahahahahaha

[innocentvillager]

so, the whole point of datisi's case on me is that i did this once when i was *comfortable* with the gamestate

i can't really be comfortable with the gamestate, as datisi says, if people are light fosing me but driving a wagon on my scumbuddy shoshin

but you buy Datisi's case

so when you go "Omg, something's wrong, shoshin/iv is the obvious solve but is it really that easy", i just don't buy that this is real paranoia that a real townie would have

there is an obvious reason to not believe shoshin/iv/? is the solve which happened to be the somewhat necessary conclusion of datisi's scum!iv case that you found convincing

I really don't think so. First wagons normally disappear fast. If you are scum, you shouldn't be that uncomfortable considering if shoshin really was ur buddy there are plenty of good counter wagons to start. For example, me.

so specifically, while reading Datisi's part on me being comfortable with the gamestate when Shoshin isn't town

you went, "nah, IV could totally be comfortable here even if Shoshin was the buddy, they're just going to start another CW"

? or am i getting the order of events wrong? (im interested in the t i me l i n e of your thought process, yes)

[innocentvillager]

i just don't understand, how as scum i could possibly be comfortable with this gamestate when ABR has a reputation for just like, powerdriving elims (probably as scum as well as town) and hammering early

[innocentvillager]

im interested in the t i me l i n e of your thought process, yes

is there a problem with my timeline?

ill take this as an admission that what i said about your thought process timeline was accurate, ya?

so I'm scum!IV with scum!shoshin here

i see my buddy getting powerdriven up and him flailing around

im like, totally chill with everything, yup no problem, we're comfortable, im just gonna keep shitposting and coasting because we're doing great

we are super well positioned around a shoshin flip because we hardbussed them from the beginning and we feel confident we can just let shoshin fakeclaim and then we just switch the wagon over to somewhat else, like you

... i just, am trying to envision this world but cannot

[innocentvillager]

so, iv is my strongest scumread currently. unfortunately, he has the bad case of lurk, my vote isn't making him play, and i don't think my persuasion skills are good enough to convince the town to start voting him on the basis of ~nothing~. so my vote on him is wasting away.

Is your read literally just based on him lurking?

nope, it's not! he talks about it later in your catchup

[innocentvillager]

Darius was pretty townie, yeah

... i just, am trying to envision this world but cannot

why not?

ugh stop it with these one liners, you're supposed to be more defensive

can someone else tell me if im just picking at nothing? @datisi maybe for a start?

[innocentvillager]

2) see if my buddies can bail me out

UNVOTE: shoshin

[innocentvillager]

i just don't understand, how as scum i could possibly be comfortable with this gamestate when ABR has a reputation for just like, powerdriving elims (probably as scum as well as town) and hammering early

Well, if you’re scum with ABR you probably know what he’s planning, thus making you more okay with the process.

okay so then the solve in that very specific case is exactly ABR/me/shoshin, which it doesn't really seems like noraa was referring to

you had some problems with noraa's progression as well at one point as well, do you think the way she thought about the shoshin/me team was reasonable or scummy?

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: shoshin

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: Shoshin

[innocentvillager]

the current biggest wagon that's threatening to get hammered is town. possibly its main driver also being town.

What makes you say this?
Tbh despite early feelings that may or may not have existed I think {shoshin, IV, ABR} isn’t an impossible team

randomly, if you're town, you are 0.45% to have hit the team

you have to be really confident to believe it's much higher than that especially on d1

[innocentvillager]

i think baltar/iv are likely the same alignment but i have nothing but Gut and Feels to back that up with and i don't even remember why i had that thought anymore

please let me know when you figure this out

given that i townread you and that i am town this would also help me deduce that valter is town

also, i (who you find scummy) am pushing noraa, who you find scummy

is that important to you or nah

[innocentvillager]

the current biggest wagon that's threatening to get hammered is town. possibly its main driver also being town.

What makes you say this?
Tbh despite early feelings that may or may not have existed I think {shoshin, IV, ABR} isn’t an impossible team

dude idk how to make this more clear
> the only time i saw scum!iv do jack shit was when the game was going good for him
> iv was doing jack shit here
> if he's scum, i think the game was going good for him
> who was getting all the attention? the shoshin wagon, driven by albert
> therefore that wagon was on town, possible main pusher also town

i already asked this question kind of, but specifically how do you feel that Noraa bought your case on scum!me which was essentially this, then proceeded to express weird paranoia over "iv/shoshin/?" being the easy solve

[innocentvillager]

It could be IV though? Or you’re banking on the first D1 wagon not going through.

LOL yah i am the deepwolf here guys, that's a brilliant idea for any scumteam

[innocentvillager]

if anyone hammers and the flips green in the next like, 24 hours or so, that's a scumclaim in my eyes.

[innocentvillager]

I stand with my position of ABR, he gets that thrill of lynching the scums

As scum he kinda just pretends its there, way more choosy in his battles

what do you mean by choosy?

the way I am trying to interpret this is that, as town he just hyper drives whatever he thinks is remotely right, whereas as scum he tries to emulate that but actually ends up being *choosy* (?) about it

[innocentvillager]

what the fuck

[innocentvillager]

i don't know what i expected.

how was your walk

i will sheep you in these tumultuous times

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: innocentvillager

this is scum

noooooo daddisi im not scum

[innocentvillager]

Town:
petapan
midwaybear

I'm very confident they are town.

pls tell bc i was about to VOTE: midwaybear

[innocentvillager]

midwaybear

[innocentvillager]

something fun that i noticed last night!!!

- iv started "seriously" engaging the thread in post 598, which was made at 5:22 pm (we'll use my timezone for this ok cool)
- he was

continuously posting

until 853, which was at 8:03 pm
- hammer on shoshin, 862, was at 8:06 pm
- IV LITERALLY JUST PEACES OUT OF THE THREAD IMMEDIATELY??? DOESN'T POST FOR THE HALF-HOUR LONG TWILIGHT????

LOL I PROMISE THATS A COINCIDENCE

[innocentvillager]

albert i'mma need some serious explanation why midway is town because i have very strong feelings about that not being the case

if he's scum, and i think he's scum

I can't be scum, right?

[innocentvillager]

My read accuracy alone is worth waiting until I post reads, which is all I asked for. You couldn't even do that.

datisi plz i was gone for a bit and came back around this post

plz believe me

[innocentvillager]

innocentvillager
if your point here is "i don't bus"
what the fuck are you doing trying to sell me on that

i would never bus a teammate

[innocentvillager]

IV scum is something I can support btw even tho unwnd never supported it much.

plz do not support, maybe unwnd has a point !

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: innocentvillager
Time for him to go
Next Noraa

nononononono please cakez im not scum

[innocentvillager]

Alisae kill is from a team who did not want new viewpoints on the game

maybe that suggests you should unvote me then yeah cuz i was probably the next wagon yah?

[innocentvillager]

anyway we are hanging iv today i don't give a fuck what he claims he's scum here
midway is being scummy as fuck

and i have one extremely strong gut scumread that i've been sitting on for a while and i don't know what to do about but i'll think about it later

also pls don't let him self hammer yet

UNVOTE:

i am pleading datisi. i am not scum, please find it in your heart to reevaluate me

[innocentvillager]

Midwaybear is also probably scum

exactly, why don't we vote there instead?

[innocentvillager]

tbh, if your theory is right Cakez, maybe midwaybear isn't even scum since we are probably the next two wagons

[innocentvillager]

Cakez, literally everyone scumread me at the end of yeserday

there was not a single person who thinks im town, so yeah it kind of does point to me

[innocentvillager]

someone save me

[innocentvillager]

datisi please engage me don't give up on me

[innocentvillager]

i flail as town as well as scum
pedit: no please im town! i promise

[innocentvillager]

should i claim right now?

[innocentvillager]

anyway, over N1 my reads were

{Datisi, Gamma Emerald, unwnd}
{Noraa}
{petapan, SirCakez, VP Baltar}
{ABR, Iconeum, DeasVail}
{midwaybear}

i don't love these reads necessarily but

[innocentvillager]

HARDCLAIM!!! I'M A TOWN DISLOYAL HIDER!!! I TARGETED MIDWAYBEAR LAST NIGHT!!!

[innocentvillager]

my action only works if i target scum, otherwise it's like i didn't submit any action

[innocentvillager]

i dont fakeclaim as town so that is my real role

[innocentvillager]

specifically,

If I target scum and they die at night, I die regardless of what happens to me
If I target scum and they don’t die at night (even if they are shot but somehow stay alive) and I get shot, I don’t die
If I target town it’s as if I didn’t submit any action at all, I will die if and only if I get shot

[innocentvillager]

i targeted midwaybear because i think they are scum

[innocentvillager]

it's not like an incredible role

but if there's a tracker out there who tracked me or watched MWB

if they saw me visit, mwb is scum
if not, then mwb is town

for example, that's one of the uses

[innocentvillager]

i would never come up with this as scum, i had to ask gypyx about my role a few times

if i am scum, you have to believe like one of my buddies came up with it as a lol!last ditch effort or something

[innocentvillager]

specifically,

If I target scum and they die at night, I die regardless of what happens to me
If I target scum and they don’t die at night (even if they are shot but somehow stay alive) and I get shot, I don’t die
If I target town it’s as if I didn’t submit any action at all, I will die if and only if I get shot

okay so that functionally doesn't amount to a guilty then?

it does not

[innocentvillager]

i don't know if my hide succeeded or not. if there is a role out there that saw me going or didn't that would confirm mwb as scum or not. otherwise, no info there

[innocentvillager]

datisi please i am not scum

[innocentvillager]

rolefishing for a red/green check? yeah basically

if it is a redcheck, i think they should soft heavily if not outright claim to makesure MWB gets the yeet

if it's a greencheck, maybe just soft they are town or something, idek, the information is out there for whoever wants to use it

[innocentvillager]

datisi the more you refuse to re-evaluate me, im actually starting to drop my TR on you

id have thought you'd at least have some doubt by now?

[innocentvillager]

for example, my reaction he isn't totally outside of my town meta? look at how i reacted to an accused "scumslip" in your own game, for instance

it's just how i react

it's probably town indicative, although idk ive never been in this situation before as scum so maybe NAI

[innocentvillager]

if i am scum, you have to believe like one of my buddies came up with it as a lol!last ditch effort or something

Aren't you in a bad spot? You admitted it yourself.

i am

im not saying that this is impossible, just the narrative you would have to believe

i guess some scum-version of this role maybe? idk, i obviously haven't really thought about it from your perspectives much

[innocentvillager]

IV can investigate scum if we have a tracker/watcher.

i can but because there are two power roles required in this investigation, it makes it easy for scum to interfere with it, especially that they know my role now, that was one of the disadvantages to being outted unfortunately

like, if there's a roleblocker, they could just roleblock me, for instance

[innocentvillager]

i will bite the bullet today if that is the consensus. but please reconsider, i personally cannot make this up as scum without some crazy additional help i guess

[innocentvillager]

if not iv, i'm going midway, take your pick

id pick midway over iv!

[innocentvillager]

im pretty sure my d2 is far outside my scumrange but *sigh* it's hard for you guys to know that

[innocentvillager]

tbh shoshin was obvtown and i was going to unvote i swear, i did call for them not to be hammered in the next 24 hrs

[innocentvillager]

im sorry i should've unvoted sooner

[innocentvillager]

i promise i have blown my scumrange at this point

[innocentvillager]

iv it's ok
scum gotta do what they gotta do

no im town and im sorry because you're going to be so disappointed in me when i flip town

[innocentvillager]

{Datisi, Gamma Emerald, SirCakez}
{petapan, Noraa, ABR}
{VP Baltar, Iconeum, DeasVail}
{midwaybear}

i think im here

[innocentvillager]

feel like scum is just letting town eat itself up this game

somehow, the consensus takes are just wrong, tbh i might need to rethink midway but idek if ill have that luxury

once DV and Ico weigh in we might have a little more color, maybe not

Baltar could be scum too

[innocentvillager]

feel pretty good about Datisi and Cakez town, i would bet the game on this possibly

[innocentvillager]

scum being comfortable with the gamestate and unwnd kill (assuming no PR hunting) could suggest there are two townies in {innocentvillager, midwaybear, Noraa} who were kind of the consensus scumreads

if two scum are in there then clearly scum aren't comfortable

which could make sense if they thought unwnd was scum

FMPOV if midway is scum Noraa isn't and vice-versa

[innocentvillager]

woah what

and why does that make cakez scum?

[innocentvillager]

which could make sense if they thought unwnd was scum

sorry by this I mean PR, not scum

[innocentvillager]

Cakez please explain asap

[innocentvillager]

i thought midway was scum so i targeted him? so not crazy for someone else i think?

[innocentvillager]

hmmm, idk i still don't buy it

but at this point i don't have much of a choice, i'll probably sheep ABR since the claim seems legit

[innocentvillager]

i kinda wish you'd done it while he was still here

[innocentvillager]

thank u! i am town , i promise

[innocentvillager]

I just saw quite some claims.
If cake really did visit midway, he is probs scum. The reason is that if he got a guilty, he would've just said it but pushing midway in this shady way is weird.
I'm semi caught up.

i mean he can visit midway without getting or the purpose of getting a guilty

he will never claim a guilty there as scum either because he has expressed the "ONLY VOTES FOR IV TODAY" sentiment multiple times

[innocentvillager]

if i said what it was right now you'd probably fucking kill me

i'm just giving a warning that if he claims [role] there will be zero chill from me

it's doctor, right

[innocentvillager]

poor dragon

[innocentvillager]

im town i promise and im not fakeclaiming this is my role

[innocentvillager]

ABR is so scared of his buddies dying today that he had to full claim his scum role

this doesn't really support your hypothesis that scum are comfortable sans me...

[innocentvillager]

I’m glad it’s becoming and more and more clear I am town!

[innocentvillager]

ABR is obviously town
which strongly suggests I am town

Can cakez still be town given both of us are town?

[innocentvillager]

I have no idea at this point, I’m still trying to recalibrate with the roleclaims and stuff
Kind of by PoE feels like one of Ico/Deas is scum tho?

[innocentvillager]

day play reads are overrated, look at the mech evidence gamma

[innocentvillager]

there’s no reason for ABR to claim if he’s scum, regardless of me being scum or not

And his actual role synergizes with mine

[innocentvillager]

where is dragon

[innocentvillager]

it's half past midnight in europe chill

oh if this was at me nono not rushing him I was just curious lol

[innocentvillager]

is it at all possible all 3 of us are town and truthfully claiming our roles? can someone with big setup brain give their thoughts on this?

[innocentvillager]

it would pretty sad if we just elimmed the 3 town PRs consecutively because we thought they couldn’t all be town but they were all town

pedit: yeah my role seems kind of useless tbh but I also don’t know how to play mafia

[innocentvillager]

Datisi does this not kind of feel like town!me from 2163

[innocentvillager]

Cakez did you not even read my description of the role

[innocentvillager]

A tracker + my role makes me think there is absolutely no way IV's role exists

This makes more sense now

[innocentvillager]

ya I still think you’re town cakez sorry ABR I’m a poor mafia player

[innocentvillager]

I do owe you my life though

let’s wait this game out and see, maybe one of us will come around on cakez, there’s still plenty of time In This game and people have to catch up

I am sorry town for being underwhelming this game, hopefully we can get back on track and find scum

[innocentvillager]

I think I’m just going to unquestionably hide behind and sheep Datisi for the rest of the game contingent on it not being me

not really but this sort of was

I don’t hard crumb really lately

[innocentvillager]

but I did think that my claim would likely be +town for me and that I could obvtown my way out of an elim

I didn’t think it would come down THIS hard today, especially thanks to your observation about my thread presence eod1

[innocentvillager]

woah chill

Fine i will consider a vote there. Let’s just wait and see what happens

[innocentvillager]

woah chill

Fine i will consider a vote there. Let’s just wait and see what happens

don't fall for his AtE

do you think ABR is town or scum?

[innocentvillager]

woah chill

Fine i will consider a vote there. Let’s just wait and see what happens

don't fall for his AtE

It just feels like this is directed at town!me who supposedly believes scum!ABR so now I’m going but you scumread both of us, but you’re actually scum who knows we’re both town so now I’m going?????

maybe I am wrong on you being town...

[innocentvillager]

I didn’t word that very well let me know if someone wants me to try and clarify

[innocentvillager]

woah chill

Fine i will consider a vote there. Let’s just wait and see what happens

don't fall for his AtE

do you think ABR is town or scum?

still lean scum but I am paranoid
he would pull this as town
and now that there is a chance we are all town (because I actually understand your claim) my desire to yeet him is lessened

can you expand on your reads on me and ABR at this point, and how our alignments are correlated/anticorrelated

[innocentvillager]

ico and Datisi back and forth is cute but would be cuter if they didn’t reach the wrong conclusion that I am scum :/

[innocentvillager]

ABR seriously considering sheeping you on cakez for survival purposes

no more self voting/giving up for me

[innocentvillager]

sooooo to be clear if I am town you guys think cakez is scum?

[innocentvillager]

icotisi

strange ship but okay

it was kinda cute

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: Sircakez

[innocentvillager]

ico is there anything I can answer that will help convince you I am town?

[innocentvillager]

@ABR, if you are so certain of IV scum, how are you coming to a scum!SirC conclusion. I think they've been on IV's ass for a while this game, and it doesn't look like bussing to me.

wait ABR is pretty sure I’m town lol

I think

[innocentvillager]

this page gives me good 2175 nostalgia vibes

[innocentvillager]

i really don't think I can replicate this kind of shameless quick stream of consciousness AtE as scum

it's too much cognitive effort for me

instead i would probably try to take a more logical approach or act annoyed, or idek, even just lurk away from the thread (as you saw in 2175, like datisi said we were in an okay spot even if i died so i was comfortable more or less just lurking it out and maybe getting lolhammered maybe not)

[innocentvillager]

id probably spamming scum QT instead of main thread rn if i were scum, Datisi knows how much more I post in scum PT than main thread

[innocentvillager]

I think I'm starting to believe in the world of IV town ABR scum

in what world does IV Cakez town ABR scum even make sense? what's ABR's agenda here for fakeclaiming and saving me...?

[innocentvillager]

I think I'm starting to believe in the world of IV town ABR scum

in what world does IV Cakez town ABR scum even make sense? what's ABR's agenda here for fakeclaiming and saving me...?

This is what I'm stuck on
Maybe he wanted to pocket you and strongarm an elim on a PR? He was probably worried about my reads. ABR would do that as scum. And then tomorrow he can just laugh it off LIKE HE DID TODAY WITH SHOSHIN

you think he fakeclaims not one but two roles with weird modifiers? that somehow synergizes with my role and doesn't clash with any of the town PRs (like how does he not get cc'd in any capacity)?

i just... cannot envision this world

it's just so much easier for scum!ABR to just support my elimination and let it happen when town!Cakez and town!Datisi are jamming it down my throat

the worlds that make a lot more sense to me, fmpov, are ABR town IV town Cakez scum, and ABR town IV town Cakez town

[innocentvillager]

I assume he actually has that role but it's the scum version

yeah but i don't know why you would want to claim that because i'd think there's a decent chance of getting cc'd on either tracker or motion detector, and also just claiming in general feels dumb

IV you actually think we could all be town here?

i don't see why it's impossible at all? also, if there are that many town PRs, it's possible some of them are like, anti-synergizing/red herrings and/or scum has lots of power?

[innocentvillager]

cakez, while we're here i wanted to address an old point (maybe no longer relevant) you tried to get across but i still have a rebuttal to

when you brought up the whole "scum being comfortable with gamestate and not wanting outsider perspectives" thing, I responded by saying that points to me/midway/Noraa not being comprised of 2+ scum since we were the main suspects, probably in that order. Then, you said "that was yesterday, not anymore".

but I don't really understand what could've possibly changed so much? in your scum!innocentvillager world where my partners have deepwolfed and are comfortable with me eating the rope today, it doesn't make sense for my partner ABR to stick his neck out for scum!IV when a) I was already anticipated to be wagoned, so we've prepped the "fakeclaim" b) we're analyzing under the assumption he's trying to deepwolf and not take cc/other big risks with him and his other deepwolf

[innocentvillager]

Like as SOON as I'm hammered I guarantee he'll start playing up the "oops well we needed to PL him anyways" crap he did yesterday
Because he's scum

i don't see how anyone could consider eliminating you a PL or why you would think that?

[innocentvillager]

if people won't actually think it's a PL then why would scum!ABR use that as a dumb excuse afterwards that obviously no one is going to buy? you've done nothing remotely PL worthy compared to Shoshin, clearly ABR has every intention of taking full responsibility for this one

[innocentvillager]

otoh multiple people policy voted Shoshin including unwnd (town), Gamma, not just ABR

so they're completely different

im just worried because your reaction seems a little exaggerated

[innocentvillager]

@Datisi upon reflection i think your assessment of my early D1 posting being similar to D2 of 2175 is more wrong than i thought at the time you presented it

D2 that game i just like, didn't post, actively avoided posting, that's what i do as scum because i hate engaging with thread when i don't have to as scum

D1 this game, i actively engaged even if it wasn't always game-related

not saying it's necessarily townie, just, not really in line with my scum meta as you think if that helps

[innocentvillager]

me being gone for the D1 hammer this game really was coincidence, tbh I don't think I openwolf THAT much in terms of the timing around the hammer

like your hypothesis for my complete absence around the D1 hammer is scum!me intentionally posting up to point of hammer, then intentionally ducking out right when the hammer started so I wouldn't have to fake twilight posts, despite me and my partners all being aware of all of this and that it could perceived as scummy

i might not enjoy twilight posting, but i think I'd at least try to say *something* if i was aware of it?

if i was in your position, I would conclude that most likely innocentvillager truly was absent for the hammer/twilight on D1, making the timing NAI

[innocentvillager]

i remember seeing scum!koba put a veto on you in chosen mafia

anyway you still haven't answered my question of what are your reads?

I read the scum PT, and koba vetoed me because they would feel bad pushing me or something. Idk, but I'm not sure if that was because they think I could obv town and stuff, but I've mostly dropped that play in games.

I haven't really been thinking of whole game reads, and I'm trying to think about the current claims. Both ABR and Cakez are very scummy while IV is sorta just floating around. I'm not sure what to make of that. Outside of these claims I'm townreading Noraa and petapan.

this is what I mean by midway's lack of presence
yeah he makes posts but it's just total fluff
look at his analysis of the tri-claim
"i'm not sure what to make of that"
completely fencesitting

this is NAI to town!indicative for me, are you sure it's scum!indicative for midway?

[innocentvillager]

it is kind of hard for me to have a stance on something, especially when i start to doubt myself

i am the fenciest of fencesitters

most of my reads just end up being like "lean town"

there's no argument that midway have been fencesitting since pg1 and even complained that other people have been too quick to make reads, the question is just "is it scummy" which I am actually not as convinced of as I was before.

[innocentvillager]

when we discover what the hell cakez was doing to him last night

lmfao

[innocentvillager]

Noraa arguing with cakez but no vote

Cakez arguing back because he expects to go down today and is trying to distance.

Kabuke theater.

yah noraa why no vote on cakez?

[innocentvillager]

i didn't scumread cakez off day 1, agreed with what he was saying about iv to start the day, but his posting today is increasingly starting to look like his scum flail

your wording makes it seem meta based? any meta evidence that he kind of flails like this as scum

[innocentvillager]

sure i can visit whoever tonight. fine with DV if that's what people want.

[innocentvillager]

yeah Cakez's gradual disappearance and reduced urgency/content per post etc. as he gets run up does kind of feel like scum giving up

[innocentvillager]

sorry you feel that way cakez, i can understand your frustration here as either alignment

confbias is definitely a thing! and some people will scumread you for doing X and other people will scumread you for doing the exact opposite and some people will do both, it's just what happens

[innocentvillager]

look id rather people have fun and that i lose, than people not having fun and i win. so tell me what you want me to do here.

Idk how much is real emotion and how much is faked in games. I think we can slow the fight between you and Cakez at this point. Both of your positions are clear. In some ways a yeet would be good because it offers a reset, but not everyone operates on high performance mode...so I think that's the frustration you're seeing ABR.

I mean, I'm having fun! But I'm not scum, or being accused of being scum.

Baltar is scum

[innocentvillager]

I don’t think cakez and noraa are both scum, seems kind of unlikely for some reason

[innocentvillager]

kind of want to yeet deasvail tbh

[innocentvillager]

I don’t think scum!noraa makes much sense with town!cakez? She’s clearly upset as either alignment but I don’t see why she’s so upset about this game as scum when everyone wants to kill town cakez

Which leads us to scum!noraa / scum!cakez but that also seems unlikely? they have already been partners once, it seems wrong that they kind of take a similar approach this game that they did most recently in xenoblade

This dynamic alone makes me think noraa is town, along with feeling kind of similar to how noraa is feeling when I was town in Mini 2163, except I wasn’t quite as... intense?

[innocentvillager]

should I have a different action contingent on the alignment flip? Do we think DV scum equity goes up or down with cakez’s red flip?

[innocentvillager]

since in theory there could be a false guilty if iv got blocked and abr didn't detect motion on deas

wait what it's the opposite

if abr doesn't detect motion on me, assuming no interference then DV is town

[innocentvillager]

another problem is, if DV is town, a scum role could visit me with some random ability to set off ABR's motion detector, and that would be a false guilty on DV

pedit: sorry im confused, no matter who ABR checks and detects no motion, it will suggest DV is town, right

[innocentvillager]

sigh

VOTE: SirCakez

ftr I think you flip town but yeah this is probs torture for you

[innocentvillager]

fake hammer?

[innocentvillager]

ehhhh I just really don’t know on cakez

gut leans town on them but I’ve been pulled in so many directions I have very little confidence

[innocentvillager]

Is there anything on the last 10 pages that isn't this same Cakez vs. ABR debate

Is there anything on the last 10 pages that isn't this same Cakez vs. ABR debate

That’s what I’m wondering too. It seems like people want us to post but seriously there’s only so much that’s worth saying

does not feel like a S/S interaction

[innocentvillager]

well I visited dv as planned

ABR?

[innocentvillager]

? ABR, results? I assume you didn’t see me going anywhere?

[innocentvillager]

Fucking cakez man I was seriously reconsidering his flip and could have saved him

i don't have much time, weekend vla

did a quick read but this is basicly a scum claim, no?

how is this a scum claim..?

[innocentvillager]

ABR i promise i am town here. It's okay, we're all wrong sometimes, he was a strong townread for me but even towards EOD i got lots of second thoughts. let's try and salvage what we can

[innocentvillager]

i think ABR takes full responsibility for the wagon lol

[innocentvillager]

i dont think ABR is scum, there are too many things from D2 that seem out of scumrange

that's my... current thought at least

[innocentvillager]

I don't think IV would have a fun time playing so self aware, and I think he genuinely is out of his scum range

midwaybear has the read on me right guys im not scum

[innocentvillager]

ABR in that analysis you're kind of implying I'm town who scum laughed at when pressure was on me, noraa D1? yet it seems you don't TR me anymore?

[innocentvillager]

No, he was town trolling.
Also, why are we letting VPB dictate claiming order? I don't necessarily think it's that important, but I'm wondering why people are townreading him. I find his posts merely pleasant, but there's nothing that is townie.

Yes i have kind of a lighthearted tone, yes I play to have fun

doesn’t mean I “fake my posts”

i don’t deliberately gamethrow purely “troll”, I am playing this game and to wincon

[innocentvillager]

i have claimed everything i know?

[innocentvillager]

feel like this game is just waiting on ico to come solve it lol

[innocentvillager]

blehhhhhhh

still weird to think any of that comes from scum!abr

[innocentvillager]

I’ve been TRing ABR for a while? Have you not also?

and obviously not?

[innocentvillager]

is it literally impossible that ABR and Baltar are both town given cakez was town? Can all 3 be in the game

Like can all the current claimed PRs be town or just... no