Large Normal 230 - Game Over

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Hello, familiar and unfamiliar players.

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muh is town.

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Guillotina is town.

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Gamma Emerald is scum.

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I'M TOWN AND ALSO A VERY STABLE GENIUS

You only have one vote so I didn't iso you yet.

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My memories of being limbait are 15 years old but fresh enough for me to recall that it took me a while to develop the skill not to be yeeted on day 1.

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Greetings, earthling.

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VOTE: Guillotina

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VOTE: Guillotina

Didn’t you say Guillo was town earlier?

"Too scummy to be scum" is always scum, I want to pressure.

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UNVOTE:

It was an impulsive reaction to "too scummy to be scum" which I loathe, and I just looked at Guillotina's iso and that slot is indeed town.

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I 100% expect to be eliminated for this mistake, but to be clear I did iso Guillotina last night, town read the slot, and had forgotten all about it this morning.

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UNVOTE:

It was an impulsive reaction to "too scummy to be scum" which I loathe, and I just looked at Guillotina's iso and that slot is indeed town.

What's making you say that?

"Too scummy to be scum" is a tired old rubbish cliché, usually means the target is actual scum.

The other thing that drives me nuts is players (usually scum) calling town tells "fake."

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You really think scum!dgb who made a perfectly understandable and legitimate mistake

Doesn’t take the perfect opportunity to explain themselves here with that mess up to get towncred

That's entirely possible, sure. Wouldn't that imply there is towncred to be gained in the first place by admitting to the slip-up?

Innocentvillager is just scum calling town tells scum tells, except he's so overeager to do it that he's doing it on what's more likely to be read as a scum tell.

Now I've seen it all.

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Innocentvillager

Like this?

VOTE: Innocentvillager

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dgb. How do you read me? muh?

Muh as town, you, I don't know yet.

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dgb can you answer questions? ty

where

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Umlaut seems town.

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I'm just going to sheep Guillotina. It's like he has two votes.

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My vote for now is VOTE: Nero Cain

VOTE: Nero Cain

Double voter double voting!

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Glitch
TheDuke
TheGoldenParadox
Umlaut
May
Non lmh
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I'd like to see more posts from you. You are about 40% of the player list and you have not contributed much.

Yeah I know
Maybe in a few days I'll feel better but I'm really down on mafia right now.

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Glitch
TheDuke
TheGoldenParadox
Umlaut
May
Non lmh
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I'd like to see more posts from you. You are about 40% of the player list and you have not contributed much.

Yeah I know
Maybe in a few days I'll feel better but I'm really down on mafia right now.

Pfffff this is like asking us to let you coast the game because you are not feeling it. Nope!

My high effort game has 100% failure rate, it makes everyone want to yeet me.

And then when I flip town my reads are ignored and no one looks at the wagon.

You can't dictate the amount of effort I am willing to put in.

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My high effort game has 100% failure rate, it makes everyone want to yeet me.

And then when I flip town my reads are ignored and no one looks at the wagon.

You can't dictate the amount of effort I am willing to put in.

You are right. I can't dictate it... but you are being proposed as options for yeeting, i think it is in your best interest to show you are useful.

Being useful isn't panning out for me, I am finishing my current game commitments and then I will go back to hiatus.

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VOTE: Non Imh

For no reason.

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VOTE: Non Imh

For no reason.

What are you trying to divert with your non sensical scummy vote?

YOU tell me. What am I trying to divert?

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VOTE: non I’ll hop on this wagon for now at least

Who is non?

Non imh, you know, that pointless scummy wagon.

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VOTE: Glitch

i agree with a lot of what you said nero

Really? It made zero sense, tell me what you agree with.

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This is insane. You are either insane or you are making a hail mary gambit that will not withstand scrutiny. Are you trying to purposely make us lose?

LOL I hadn't gotten to this response, but, yeah, that!

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@Guillotina

Are you saying the mod told you that your 1-shot bulletproof has been spent?

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Nero Cain needs the YEET but I am not voting right away because we need to see some more interactions today with everyone.

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idk about NPOM specifically but I agree that Flavor is one of those wagons that scum is more likely to be off than on

Why is that?
By what percentage would you estimate the scum would be "more off than on?" More simply put, how large do you think this effect is?

I have follow up questions.

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Nero Cain needs the YEET but I am not voting right away because we need to see some more interactions today with everyone.

You know Nero almost yeeted

you

today, right?

I guess that was the plan! ooops

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ABR the reason I agree that scum might be more likely to be off than on (not that it's strongly weighted that way necessarily, if even at all, but probably not in the other direction) is that it's pretty easy to stay off the wagon, WK and look "good" when the whole town already wants to policy something

im just using my elim as an example in Mini 2163, the whole town wanted to elim me because they thought I threadslipped, 0/3 scum ended up on that wagon. obviously just one example but whatever

Here it is.

And you agreed with Nero!scum that we should narrow down the yeet pool based on this theory?

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wp nero i really believed you were obvtown

Your entire iso is, shall we say, not re-assuring.

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Making the day longer sucks for the player who knows for sure they are going to die. I've been in that position, and I don't wish it to my worst enemy. If everybody's checked in and had a chance to say their peace, yeet them swiftly and honorably.

I thought you'd enjoy the torture.

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if you tell us who you redchecked we could probably hunt easier though? im not sure what your whole plan is with when you are going to claim it but you are going to have to claim it at some point

I am going to claim it at some point, just not now, I want the wolves paranoid, not knowing what to do, not knowing whom to bus to look town.

Aw shucks MUSH

So happy we're the same alignment this time.

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guillotina, were you informed that your bulletproof vest was used?

I asked that too, got no answer.

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VOTE: Glitch

bwa ha ha

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VOTE: GuillotinaI actually believe Nero here.

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I'n a 2-shot alignment cop.

If you don't yeet me, I will check Gamma Emerald next.

Good night!

This implies that you would have an inno on someone that you could have crumbed - if you are town.

Gamemorrow, you'd have a second inno to crumb.

Why would an actual investigator with actual information do what you did today, it makes about as much sense as the ascetic stuff and the mod telling you that your bullet proof is used up.

There is no strategy beyond mayhem and confusing townies.

It's jesterrific at this point

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Wow you guys really really messed up.

ABR. 2 town hammers. Not a good look.
Gamma is sus.
And taylor swift replacement never came back.

Good game

Is that a hammer for real?

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if scum is willing to sacrifice one of their own for me then I think it maybe points to me being a threat. Or maybe Guil just thinks they can talk their way out of it. If this is just town that's so cocksure that they are willing to fake a guilty then he has to accept responsibility for his actions.

How are you such a threat?

I am not sold that a Guillotina flip will tell us a lot about your alignment.

Guillotina is playing games and ascribing strategic motives is going to be an uninformative unicorn hunt.

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Wow you guys really really messed up.

ABR. 2 town hammers. Not a good look.
Gamma is sus.
And taylor swift replacement never came back.

Good game

Gratuitous taunting.

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if guillotina tracked nero, who is confirmed pure VT, in a normal, there is NO WAY that they could've gotten a result that was "Nero visited X"

just want to make sure im understanding this

so the redcheck was, completely faked as well, whether nero was checked or not

We were witnesses to the absolute worst play in all of mafia history.

An actual, really powerful town role faking a tracking result on a vanilla townie.

I've seen everything now.

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oh. fuck. that's embarrassing.

there's.... no way nero could have been the scumkill right? it would have to be a vig?

Gotta be, who doubts that Nero would have been hammered within half an hour?

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if guillotina tracked nero, who is confirmed pure VT, in a normal, there is NO WAY that they could've gotten a result that was "Nero visited X"

just want to make sure im understanding this

so the redcheck was, completely faked as well, whether nero was checked or not

We were witnesses to the absolute worst play in all of mafia history.

An actual, really powerful town role faking a tracking result on a vanilla townie.

I've seen everything now.

that is fucking hilarious coming from you with a 2005 join date

I refrained from adding "while being supremely arrogant and spiteful."

LOL

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SCUM who doesn't what to get involved with what he knows to be townie madness:

Hey all. Still reading up on the game, only about halfway through right now. Might need another day to get fully caught up, trying to speedskim through the game in 24 hours gave me a headache.

TOWNIE:

to be clear, in normals there is no chance of a guilty cop check on an innocent unless they are miller right? So given guil is truthful and Nero is not Miller, he is CONFIRMED scum?

SCUM who doesn't want this magical opportunity to slip with excessive discussion:

Making the day longer sucks for the player who knows for sure they are going to die. I've been in that position, and I don't wish it to my worst enemy. If everybody's checked in and had a chance to say their peace, yeet them swiftly and honorably.

SCUM afraid to get compromised in the townie madness:

i'm caught up insofar as i am actively reading the game but yeah there's not much i want to comment on

TOWNwith critical thinking skills:

So, I've got a big problem with Guillotina's claim and it seems almost so obvious that I feel like I must be missing something here since everyone else believes it.

HARDCLAIM!!! I'M A 2-SHOT ALIGNMENT COP WITH A BULLETPROOF VEST!!! THE BULLETPROOF VEST WAS USED LAST NIGHT AS SOMEONE TARGETED ME!

I gambled claiming an ascetic modifier counting on scum's arrogance to not NK me just because I was no PR but it didn't work as it seems.

THIS ALSO MEANS THAT THEY GOTTA BE A COUPLE OF VIGILANTES OUT THERE!

I am not aware of any normal role that would know if they were targeted for a kill at night but survived. Under Normal rules, a 1-Shot Bulletproof shouldn't be informed if they were shot at.

Another question:

My redcheck is in this group

and I strongly believe that his partners could be in this group too

Nero Cain
Gamma Emerald
Taylor Swift slot
InnocentVillager
Umlaut
ABR (not as likely but there are a few things that don't match)

Let's hunt scum!

If you targeted someone and therefore knew they were guilty, why would you give us a list like this? If you out and tell us who is guilty, that makes sense. If you wait until later today to out, so that you can see how the day proceeds naturally and how wagons form, that makes sense. But what sense does it make to say "I checked one of these six people"? Including putting one and saying they're

not as likely

... that pretty much gives away that ABR wasn't your target. What even is this claim?

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I can't wait to find out postgame what the fuck Guillotina was thinking.

I am, for some reason, not completely 100% convinced that that was a vig shot and not a Mafia kill, even though it makes absolutely no sense for a Mafia kill. I mean we know town can be braindead enough to fakeclaim a guilty as an actual PR, why can't scum be braindead enough to kill the fake redcheck?

(Possible answer: Because there are presumably four of them, and

at least one

would have pointed out what a terrible idea this was. Which is probably true, but I can still think of ways it could go through, possibly if someone put it in at the last second without thinking? Yesterday was a holiday for some of us after all, it's possible none of the scum were even around.)

IIoA

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That makes a lot of sense.

The kill might make a little sense if scum were worried Nero had a powerful role (they would have assumed he had

some

non-vanilla role after Guillotina's flip)

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VOTE: ABR

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3. how do they want to position around Nero and Guil, given that they know neither are scum?

That's the most pressing question - it was so chaotic, so insane, I would expect scum to "stay out of it" and let it play out.

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Golden Paradox might be a quality yeet.

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Anyone on Guillotine's list is more likely town than not.

3rd degree burn

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Glitch, your description of my play would be a bannable offense if it wasn't true.

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ABR is scum with Glitch and Nom Ihm!

GAME SOLVED

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I'm not impressed with dgb to be honest.

Inclined to agree.

I'm not impressed with myself either, what are we gonna do?

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VOTE: Non lmh
This slot has been avoiding the conversation for a long time and has managed to dodge replacement.

This is the laziest take I think yoh could possibly make. Do you have reasons for your vote being placed on lmh other than the fact that they're low activity? Is that all you've got on page 483920166402?

Sure it's lazy, but kudos for going after a lursack on page 483535654402. It has to be done.

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i think DGB has been fairly towny
she has this towntell where she's supremely confident and has a "you're wrong and i'm obviously correct" tone to her
believe it or not, she's more reasonable and less commanding as scum

I found it weird DGB didn't put a third vote on Nero when Guillotina claimed a guilty. She asked for more interactions. It seemed uncharacteristic for her and out of sync with the game flow.

Why should I have voted? The whole thing was really dodgy. I was puzzled, intrigued and exasperated at once.

Under these circumstances, voting a claimed guilty without question is sus LOL.

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don't know about that muh guy but i have a person pushing someone who is dead null after 109 pages
i will vote for that person
VOTE: muh

So one inactive person defending another inactive person. Nice.

What's with the weird resistance to yeeting Nom Ihm?

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Best as I can tell Non Imh is like this in all their games. I don't feel like going for a policy vote today when we've had 2 straight day phases that were basically trolled.

I know but what are we going to do? Let it coast to end game?

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i think DGB has been fairly towny
she has this towntell where she's supremely confident and has a "you're wrong and i'm obviously correct" tone to her
believe it or not, she's more reasonable and less commanding as scum

I don't see this kind of attitude from DGB at all when she's town

Meta is trash, folks. The answers are always in the game.

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we should go after a lurker who actually seems like scum

How can you even tell the difference when we're talking about people that are barely posting?

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Is there an actual case on nonlmh because this is just the easiest opportunity for scum to stroll right in and power wagon a slot all because it's a lurker

READ ALL OF NOM IMH's

4

POSTS

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Here go ahead and try to town read this:

Just got in, will catch up in an hour maybe two
Thanks for having me and sorry y'all

nc, nee, ge,, hard town

not for alignment, read order
am biased in favor of activity tho
guil is town for me, iv too

not for alignment, read order
am biased in favor of activity tho
guil is town for me, iv too

By that criteria you're most likely to be scum then

not following, how do you mean

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oh wow that's :^/

VOTE: umlaut to be honest this slot has never gotten better for me it has consistently just slipped just under the radar and gone with the (very easy) flow

Look at Umlaut's behavior around Guillotina's shenanigans and tell me how that's scum.

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In theory I am fine with eliminating a lurker, but I am a little suspicious of the anti-lurker postrs tyring to get a quick elimination rather than pressuring the lurkers to post more.

Sometimes votes can motivate.

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Moti

vote

players LOL

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You know what would make Nom feel welcome?

More votes! <3 <3 <3

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VOTE: non lmh
Tbh I don’t even know if I’d be good with a replacement here because I reviewed the 4 posts and they actually kinda sucked
Also it’s not Imh, it’s Lmh

I like that it's so easy to check a user's sitewide activity around here.

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That was not very satisfying

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Pointedly, I just don't feel like starting a thorough read/catch-up to come back to the thread locked because of a quickhammer or some shit.

It's yeet -2

We will wait for you.

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Worst offender by volume, not by content.

No... by content too.

MPOM is probably scum in this game.

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None of them seemed like they involved other mates telling him what to do

In my experience, scum teams are rarely that involved unless I'm in them LOL

I have seen some scum teams chaotically discussing who to bus and when... who is an easy yeet...

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Some scum has to be pretty stoked and motivated by the self-destroying townies.

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Players record of finding scum based on hunches this game is very poor. We need to look at ower because he did something actually scummy.

VOTE: OutworldER

What game is that?

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Wjere is Vaxkiller?

The scum PT must be a real nailbiter.

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Let's start with dismantling Nom's wagon. While I haven't been here very long, it seems a lot of people dont know what the fuck they're doing there

Why? Did you read the posts?

What's the problem with pressure on Vaxkiller?

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VOTE: unwnd

Have it your way.

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I have to ask you first and foremost if this is your thought process then what benefit do I have putting myself in the line of fire for a deadweight slot.

Because you're scum and you know it'll flip green. You don't want to compromise yourself.

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I offered my perspective on why it's a bad push and why it doesn't make sense for me to be defending him as his mate

Did you read it?

Someone is desperate for the town cred.

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The tunnel on me and lack of any connection or SR anywhere else is unimpressive.

It's making the game more interesting

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unwnd is scum

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This is your reaction to ONE vote? A cute, innocent little vanity wagon?

I would hate to see what buttons would be pushed if you got a second vote

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Benhalkum vanished again.

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Unwnd my actions make perfect sense.

Badgering me with rhetorical questions won't get you anywhere.

You don't sound particularly town.

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Hey muh. If you dont want to get faded, Id vote ABR.

DGB, how about it?

I admire your spank. I'm not getting scum vibes from ABR but maybe I'm wrong.

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Unwnd my actions make perfect sense.

Badgering me with rhetorical questions won't get you anywhere.

You don't sound particularly town.

None of my questions have been rhetorical. Town doesn't want to lose games. I asked you basic things such as your reads, while giving my perspective on why I think you don't have them, and if you do, you're not following up on them.

Exhibit A:

Hey muh. If you dont want to get faded, Id vote ABR.

DGB, how about it?

I admire your spank.

I'm not getting scum vibes from ABR but maybe I'm wrong.

SCUM who doesn't want this magical opportunity to slip with excessive discussion:

In post 2470, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
Making the day longer sucks for the player who knows for sure they are going to die. I've been in that position, and I don't wish it to my worst enemy. If everybody's checked in and had a chance to say their peace, yeet them swiftly and honorably.

Where did this go.

It faded away.

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part of me just wants to know if there’s a vig or not this game... not who it is, just that there is one

it would make the Nero kill make more or less sense I think

Whether or not there is a vig is definitely something scum would worry about.

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I kinda wish there was a second vote on unwnd for giggles.

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Do you have a guilty result?

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If anyone wants to help me

Right now my established town meta on Gamma is that he is very opinionated towards his pushes, often using a lot of 'fuck' and CAPS in order to drive the point home of dislike, but other than that he remains pretty obstinate and never a factor in the thread

Does this seem wrong?

Yes it does.

Meta is rubbish and boring.

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I am not reading other games. All the answers we need for this game, are in this game.

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Hey if I'm not alive tomorrow, shit will become apparent. If I am alive tomorrow I will make it apparent.

SCUM:

ABR/DGB

Heavily suspected: Gamma/prob a lurker or 2 if gammas clean.

I see where you're coming from, but sometimes I throw things around for reactions. This hammer though... makes me regret that I let my scum read fade.

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I actually feel strongest about DGB being scum right now.

I am town.

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it was obvious he was fakeclaiming because he was using MU lingo not MS lingo

his buddies would have lit him on fire for that claim further making me not think scum

i also strongly townread him all game and thought he was doing his stupid gambit thing

but whatever, he was being dumb and fakeclaimed and faked the guilty (worse of the two offenses)

It wasn't that easy to see as town from my perspective.

Scum teams are usually disorganized and disorderly.

I started to read Nero's tone slas town, and that was it for me, if I believed Nero to be town, then Guillotina had to be scum.

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THen why didnt you engage with me at all?

You just sat on the sidelines. You saw what I was doing because you mentioned it.

Uncertainty, indecision.

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Vax, if I am town, who is scum?

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I think it's going to flip green. I just isn't again.

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i wasn't like positive

but i was like 85%+ on him being town at that point

maybe it's a bad read, whatever, just because he was town doesn't make it a good read

So by that logic you were pretty sure Nero was scum?

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I think it's going to flip green. I just isn't again.

Iso'd not isn't. ..

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no. i need this to flip red.

I am not optimistic at all.

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i wasn't like positive

but i was like 85%+ on him being town at that point

maybe it's a bad read, whatever, just because he was town doesn't make it a good read

So by that logic you were pretty sure Nero was scum?

i thought it was likely he was scum, despite my obvtown read on Nero's dayplay

i thought it was also possible the whole thing was just a dumb gambit and he didn't have a redcheck on nero

when he finally committed to the redcheck on nero at EoD, I was briefly confused because i got there at the last second

then when he flipped tracker i was pretty sure he actually did get the guilty by tracking nero to guil himself, so I planned night thoughts around the assumption nero was scum

My head was spinning, too. What a mess.

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Umlaut was the NK??????????????????????????????????????

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VOTE: ABR

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why is that so surprising? He was getting increasingly obvtown

Umlaut could have been an easy yeet today.

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VOTE: gamma emerald

Has been on all three town wagons

Tell me more.

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dgb would you consider voting glitch?

Convince me.

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this almost reads like glitch is like offended that dgb is insulting the kill choice, lol

Right? Like the scum shot Umlaut because THEY thought Umlaut was the towniest.

I never held that opinion, personally.

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Theoretical question, so to speak, addressed to everyone:

- How do you expect scum to react to a Guillo's claim?

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does anything about glitch seem like, townie? i feel like this is just one of those textbook scum slots. Nothing crazy sticking out. Lower activity than normal but not completely gone because team is doing well, so why replace out. Complains periodically about the game moving too fast and not being able to catch up. No interesting takes. Has been passive and in “commentary mode” all game, doesn’t really care about his solves or his pushes or have much interesting content

Could be.

I want to look at everyone again. I want to re read the game.

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Look at Gamma and the fact he isn't here right now and that should already be a good start.

I did an extensive dive on a few players and I'm very convinced that Gamma is just scum here. As another point, look at the way he has participated throughout the last day and previous days. His posts reads like scum who feels isolated from a town mindset, therefore he just surrounds himself in the noise in order to fit in. It's not that you need to be provcating a lim or that aggression is inherently townie, it is how you use it. I believe that even the most passive townies are driven by some sort of pursuit and has a measure to get to their reads. Gamma changes his mind based on what the thread is doing and nothing else. This is especially bad if you know Gamma. Town are not afraid to make critical positions in the thread even if someone disagrees. Gamma has just been finding him in the middle of conversations to hide, then when it seems like nobody is paying attention he justifies a poor vote onto the leading wagon repeat this for 3 days

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You may be onto something, do you have examples?

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Lynching lurkers has landed us where we are.

lol what? you mean, it wasn’t the previous two elims?

Thank goodness the non lmh wagon didn't go through, that was a lurker push. Then the on and off muh wagon flipped muh town. I think lynching lurkers just because of that is a bad policy. Now if there's an actual argument then sure, and I understand that if you're SRing me with a different reason, that's fine; but my initial point was geared at the fact that lynching lurkers just because they're lurkers is not going to help us.

Maybe Non lmh was the scum lurker, not muh.

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I have a huge problem with ABR's hammer on muh yesterday. HUGE

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Whats with the hammer ABR? Do you have an excuse this time that's not "I don't like delaying the inevitable?"

Read it again, it'll take you a minute to remind you what happened.

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wtf

I’m not just going to claim because you want me to? If you get more people on board for whatever reason or have a good reason I will claim. I don’t know why you’re asking me to claim out of the blue

They probably have a reason but DO NOT CLAIM I got your back

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There's scum in one of

Nero

/Gamma.

If it's Gamma,

umlaut

is likely buddy.

If it's

Nero

, NPOM fits better.

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NPOM has managed to escape notice. This needs to change.

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Votecount 1.14

]Pretentious

(9) -

NorwegianboyEE, Nero Cain, muh316,

Gamma Emerald, TheDuke(now Starbuck), Tayl0r Swift (now Insanoflex),

Guillotina, Umlaut,

Albert B. Rampage

Non lmh (3) - NoPowerOverMe,

DrippingGoofball

, innocentvillager

Nero Cain

(2) -

Pretentious

, Glitch
Tayl0r Swift (1) - May

Not voting (2) - Non lmh, TheGoldenParadox

(expired on 2020-11-29 10:00:00) remain until day end

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 to reach a majority.[/color]

There's gotta be 2 scums in Gamma/Starbuck/Insanoflex/ABR

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Starbuck is coasting big time.

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Votecount 2.3

Guillotina

(8) -

Umlaut

, NoPowerOverMe,

muh316

, Glitch,

Nero Cain

, Gamma Emerald,

DrippingGoofball

, Albert B. Rampage

Nero Cain

(1) -

Guillotina

Not voting (6) - Non lmh, TheGoldenParadox, TheDuke (now Starbuck), Insanoflex (previously Tayl0r), May (now unwnd), innocentvillager

(expired on 2020-12-08 09:09:00) remain until day end

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to reach a majority.

Two scum in NPOM/Glitch/Gamma/ABR

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Votecount 3.5

muh316

(7) - NoPowerOverMe, unwnd,

Umlaut

, Vaxkiller (formerly Non lmh), Insanoflex (formerly Tayl0r), Gamma Emerald, Albert B. Rampage
unwnd (2) - Glitch,

DrippingGoofball

Vaxkiller (1) -

muh316

Not voting (3) - Starbuck (formerly The Duke), TheGoldenParadox, innocentvillager

(expired on 2020-12-11 08:28:00) remain until day end

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to reach a majority.

Not super informative.

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Glitch/starbuck/nopoweroverme

Claims plz so I can get innos claim

You're not getting 4 claims.

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Gamma/ABR/{NPOM, (some accursed lurksack)}

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I think you’re being very basic if you assume scum cluster like that a bunch. Isn’t the common behavior the exact opposite of what you’re stating is the case here, which is not grouping up?

Nothing to do with groupings.

A day 1 wagon this size should have 2 scums riding it.

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Gamma you're scum aren't you

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You know I'm not

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Vaxkiller, you targeted innocentvillger.

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Vaxkiller, you targeted innocentvillger.

Is this your claim?

It's my educated guess.

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After Guillotina I am VERY WARY of mystery claims.

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Well I’m a VT so I don’t really have much to declare myself.
If we’re popcorning I choose DGB.

No one agreed to popcorn and no one voted you to go first.

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TY for claiming gamma

You just spit out what you know.

I'm not playing Guillotina Games 2.0

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i bet you have nothing.

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I vax had SOMETHING, it wouldn't depend on other people's claims.

That's gonna yet another stupid town play.

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So you think inno should claim huh DGB?

Inno has nothing to claim, inno should not claim.

No one should claim.

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Just no

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IV is very funny scum.

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Well, damn

My vote is on Gamma

How gullible would say you are on a scale of 99 to 100?

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Claims: 4

Gamma VT
NPOM VT
unwnd VT
Inno Backup tracker Targeted starbuck did not visit anyone n2
glitch visited umlaut n3


Waiting on DGB/starbuck/ABR/insano

Inno is claimed scum, you want more claims, why?

God this town

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The scum is going for the kill.

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And no more goddam claiming.

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I literally don’t know how to fakeclaim in normals and I saw a couple fakeclaims that were just fucking stupid. So no this is not a fakeclaim

Why would you track Glitch?

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Vaxkiller you better say what you have to say now, I am done with the games.

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Wouldve been nice to just be able to soft this one to execution but obviously not with Vax’s desire to massclaim and specific nagging at me

Because glitch was kind of scummy..? Why not

Ok I believe you.

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Stahp

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Vaxkiller you can't have anything beyond tracking a player to the NK.

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Vax, do you believe IV's claim Y/N

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The Last Thing we need is more claims.

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Vax, on my orders no one will make any further claims.

You have reached a dead end.

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It's day 4 and we have yet to hit scum, and we're handing them all the PRs?

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IV, he doesn't have a guilty or he'd just spit it out.

Scum will like so whatever he thinks he can deduce won't pan out.

ABR is scum, this bears repeating.

I will look at the game with Glitchscum in mind.

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NPOM may be the other scum.

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so I don’t hate the idea of mass claiming before ELO?

but idk. I don’t know what the massclaim strat is in closed games like normals.

pedit: yeah just assume glitch is scum and rereading stuff, probably not a bad idea

Except that you have a guilty. So we don't need to.

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Tell me what the harm could be. We are 1 step away from losing this. Tomorrow will be too late. I need a claim from you specifically. Make sense?

I thinking after that, it would be quite useful to mass claim for additional helpful reasons. But I cant talk about them yet.

I mean seriously. Are you going to argue with me about this? I'm at my wits end, and ready to just write you off as scum.

I need a claim from you and everyone else and we got this figured out.

I'm thinking we might even have some MORE info that will help a little, but isnt completely necessary.

You got your info specifically from IV, by your own admission you don't need the rest.

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Ok so something doesn't sit right with me.

Guillotine says he was shot, making it 2 kills last night, and then he takes it back when TGP, umlaut and NPOM catch him in a lie because limited-shot BPs are not told they lost a BP counter.

He tells us to scumhunt but it's critical that town knows how many kills there were last night in order to make an informed analysis.

Now here's what's interesting.

If he backtracks and says he wasn't told he was shot, then that leaves the door open for only one kill last night. Guillotine, since he's gambitting, would have known this.

So his Nero push is completely nonsensical.

Nero pocketed Norwee, why would he kill him if he's scum?

Why would Nero pick up on Glitch/DGB day 2 right where Norwee left off, if Norwee was killed to prevent him from going after his secondary reads after Pretentious?

It doesn't stand to reason that Nero would kill Norwee who believed him to be town, just to finish off what Norwee was going to do anyway.

But Guillotina brushes my concerns off and tries to make me believe there were two kills.

This whole Nero push was bullshit, he backtracked and said it's not Nero, it's one of the other players on his list, and was forced to retract his BP lie as well.

Guillotina is scum.

VOTE: Guillotina

Shit
ABR intimidates me so bad and I think it's because I literally live by his Guide to Hunting Scum on the wiki and he seems to be a prestigious player in my mind. This makes it so hard for me to sort him because he just feels so town in my mind but paranoia gets the best of me. I know Tayl0r Swift has been banned but I get the same vibes on ABR as I did from TS: freaking ridiculously hard to sort and I'm so bad at reading them.

ABR, why do you think the Nero push was bullshit originally? Is there more to it than the 6 player list of "herp derp there's a red check in here?" Or is that it? Or is it that you're TR'ing Nero so the push is shit?

I'm massive sus of Guillo but want to understand how you're thinking here.

100% ABR and Glitch are buddies.

Look at the waffling. When Glitch goes after the townies, he sounds far more certain and decisive.

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Tell me what the harm could be. We are 1 step away from losing this. Tomorrow will be too late. I need a claim from you specifically. Make sense?

I thinking after that, it would be quite useful to mass claim for additional helpful reasons. But I cant talk about them yet.

I mean seriously. Are you going to argue with me about this? I'm at my wits end, and ready to just write you off as scum.

I need a claim from you and everyone else and we got this figured out.

I'm thinking we might even have some MORE info that will help a little, but isnt completely necessary.

You got your info specifically from IV, by your own admission you don't need the rest.

No but more will help alot, and I dont want specific people to think I'm being suspicious of them.

I'm being vague so scum don't guess what i know and what im doing.

Consider that I may know what I am doing as well and I beg you to shut it down.

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I. Have. Reasons. Too.

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Do not claim, thank you.

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Not claiming is pro-town.

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Vax, I know why you are doing what you are doing and I know what you did and what you are looking and you need to stop it right now.

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You need to stop bullying people into claiming. I guarantee you will hurt the town greatly with it and find no scum.

Despite the town self-immolating earlier on, we still have a chance of you shut that mass claim nonsense. You're going to have to put your faith in me.

Everyone knows how I feel about claim stalls and refusals to claim, yet here I am refusing a mass claim. Put two and two together that I am doing this for a reason and BACK OFF.

The more you insist, the more stubborn you are, the more I have to say about it and BELIEVE ME that every extra word I need to use to get it through your thick skull is helping the scum.

You should have read between the lines ten pages ago.

STOP

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I am trying everything I can to stop town from making a capital mistake and instead I am drawing suspicion for it.

If I were scum I would have fakeclaimed a million years ago and gotten this ordeal over with.

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The only thing that matters is if your implication leads to Vax being scum, and for that

Why hesitate? I don't believe controlling this game is what scum wants, given they've already been 'controlling' it for so long

No

I actually strongly believe that VaX is town. He thinks he knows some big deal but if it depends on a mass claim then it's not a big deal.

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Just answer me

Is Vax scum or not? I don't believe in have another nothing-day where half of the game doesn't play. This is the most productive we've been in ages

It's also going to be another bout of self-destruction if we mass claim.

I beg you, please believe me.

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Just let Vax do whatever the fuck he wants, I'm not going to stop him and you shouldn't either

I have to stop him, that is not negotiable.

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OK and I agree

Now if you want you're free to tell me why you think ABR is scum and where that else leads to

I have to be somewhere in Manhattan for a project

He hammered three townies, that's in our faces enough for me.

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The way he hammered muh is a scum confession.

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And what of potential partners?

IV I'm just gonna say this now but

I know you're lying about Glitch

Glitch?

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He claimed Glitch visited Umlu?

He is lying about that?

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Innocentvillager did not visit Umlaut????,

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I mean Glitch did not visit Umlaut.

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Did you per chance get a NO RESULT?

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How many people targeted IV last night????,

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No result means you were BLOCKED

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I know this because I am a rolestopper.

I never used the role until last night, when I was hoping to use it as doc protection on IV.

So there you have the reason why I didn't want to mass claim. I didn't want my doctor utility outed.

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Damnation. If I would have known everyone but the scum were targeting him, I wouldn't have.

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Shit

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Merde

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F

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My ONE action is going to turn out to be as bad as a Guillotina gambit

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So you rolestopped IV yes?

Obv

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Also since you were blocked you should have kept quiet.

You had no business declaring that IV was lying. You got a no result.

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Alrighty then

Vax you're welcome

Do you think any of that helped the town???????

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I nominate this town for a Dumbass Award.

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Absolutely

How.

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How is any of that helping us find scum?

Hint: it's only helping the scum know who to kill next.

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We killed the doctor, basically. Based on nothing but Vax bullying ... he probably targeted IV too and got a NO RESULT just like you.

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I tried and tried to get Vax to put two and two together...

Jesus.

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Can we somehow blame Guillotina for this too? It's gonna help us forget we suck just as hard.

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I think the people who aren't talking should parse this information wisely

Wanna bet the scum isn't talking????

And you'd better be super explicit about what you mean because let's just say we haven't perfected the art of reading between the lines.

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What pisses me off is that instead of protecting IV I blocked confirmation of his claim, I could smash my phone to smithereens.

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Gamma and ABR are both shitting themselves lol

They're winning.

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Gamma and ABR are both shitting themselves lol

0lease explain.

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It's hard to believe Starbuck is town.

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How would you know he's faking results since you yourself got NO RESULT?

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Umlaut was the NK??????????????????????????????????????

I am looking for a response to my post BRB

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why is that so surprising? He was getting increasingly obvtown

Umlaut was the NK??????????????????????????????????????

Why are you so surprised?? Umlaut so bleeding town. It was unbelievably obvious.

DGB is probably the best bet imho for scum. Best pool tor today includes {DGB, IV, unwnd, ABR, NPOM}. Off the table for me are {Vax, Gamma, Starbuck} today. DGB is my preference.

this almost reads like glitch is like offended that dgb is insulting the kill choice, lol

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...Because you said you rolestopped him

I stop action ON HIM but his actions still go through.

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There cannot be a bullet proof and a rolestopper and a bodyguard of the same alignment.

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True

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The backup role would be very powerful.

It would potentially duplicate three NK interfering roles.

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The doc utility is inherent to rolestopper. I stop everything from targeting my target.