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Hi

This may be inconvenient, but could I get a short notice of where people are at right now? I promise I will make it worth your while

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OK I have checked the OP

You guys have a lot of green stacked up. I don't know where Non Imh makes sense because I think his posts are not outstanding. Not in a scummy way either, just like uneventful. I think in a situation where you keep missing, it's best to look in the crowd who are helming the lynches. This means nothing until I read a few things

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it's best to look in the crowd who are helming the lynches.

They're dead.

Your disposition makes more sense to me now then

Assume the consensus is just trying to shoot blanks at lurker/unknown slots now?

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Where the wagon is at right now, shooting into blanks/lurker slots

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Alright I'll do some skim/read from this day and maybe a few ISO as well

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Haven't done a full dive yet, but I see that I'm not the only replacement in this game. At face value, Insano's wall looks decent. I don't think it means much to me however and I can very much seeing it come from scum. The timing and necessity of it as I looked back from his posting habits doesn't really line up. They're all just general statements, and while that is evidently true for most catch-up walls, I don't feel he is leading with any clear direction. It feels like he just grabbed a bunch of odd topics and condensed them. I only mention this because I am not favorable of the content of his previous slot, therefore I doubt the intent

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I think TGP is an okay push but for me my bias leads that something more sinister must be going on, and with that in mind it becomes an easy one to make. ABR mentioned to me that the people who were leading wagons were dead. I might go look at why that is later but I dunno yet

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I understand that

Again, do you really think TGP is the best option here? I don't know, maybe I just feel differently about these situations. When my team is down, scum is winning. If scum is winning, they're either pulling the strings or just letting town eat themselves alive. I feel right now the thread morale is low but I don't think it's done due to in-fighting, rather apathy. You had Guillo who shit the bed and a bunch of unfortunate events. You have a ton of replacements and nobody seeing eye-to-eye. I don't think it's impossible for scum to be playing the part of town apathy, but I don't feel like TGP's posts were all that apathetic. At best, not interested.

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I think Non Imh's posts are non-tells, and even in the event of an inactive lurk scum he'd at least be somewhat aware. None of them seemed like they involved other mates telling him what to do and not do, he just looked lost and confused. I think Non's wagon right now from an outsider perspective is either desperation by town or merely scum trying to push an easy wagon. Obviously, you're not there and voting TGP. TGP seems to think that Non Imh isn't the right call either. While I don't townread TGP (more on the side of null), I don't know what he gains being contrarian. He looks bad in hindsight but yeah, questioning if it's just..bad

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I noted that one of your stances was that you felt the active players seemed pretty town, so apologies if I'm assuming something but it seems you disagree that something more is going on and we should just keep lining up inactive/uninteresting slots until we strike gold. What makes you think it's that simple? If you've re-read then I assume you've paid attention to the way the thread has formed if that makes sense

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unwnd I think you need to give hard thoughts on the situation rn
I see some theoreticals but not much extrapolation from them

My hard thoughts are the foundation of my theories, and I play the game trying to get a bigger picture before focusing on the details

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From my own experience (as scum), if we're winning then we're doing something right and we're likely going to keep doing it. This wagon doesn't seem like scum are bothered about it at all

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I would definitely agree with Muh over TGP if you're willing to compromise

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Sorry wrong game I was confusing myself. Muh is still the best elimination.

VOTE: muh

Convinced just like that?

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In theory I am fine with eliminating a lurker, but I am a little suspicious of the anti-lurker postrs tyring to get a quick elimination rather than pressuring the lurkers to post more.

I looked back at you a bit and caught this. It seems like you are OK with lurker death but think the effort required from some people is shady. I'm curious to hear what you think of Non's wagon right now in light of this

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Votecount 3.2

Non lmh (5) - muh316, Umlaut, Albert B. Rampage, innocentvillager, Gamma Emerald
muh316 (2) - NoPowerOverMe, May
Albert B. Rampage (1) - DrippingGoofball
TheGoldenParadox (1) - Insanoflex
May (1) - Glitch
Umlaut (1) - TheGoldenParadox

Not voting (2) - Non lmh, Starbuck

(expired on 2020-12-11 08:28:00) remain until day end

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to reach a majority.

I don't disagree, right now I think two of those are people are in my PoE, but leaving it anonymous until some things line up in my head

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Let's start with dismantling Nom's wagon. While I haven't been here very long, it seems a lot of people dont know what the fuck they're doing there

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I don't think you really believe in that vote

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Actually, now's not the time to be haughty.

The only conclusion I can come from your knee-jerk reaction to me is that you think I have the potential to be scum who wants to get votes off my partner. I have to ask you first and foremost if this is your thought process then what benefit do I have putting myself in the line of fire for a deadweight slot. You said it yourself, Non has 4 posts. I'm not risking myself for someone with 4 posts, I just happen to think this is a bad wagon because I believe scum are on it. The morale of the town is currently extremely low and I don't think scum wants to make any moves at all. They want to lay low and keep playing the part of apathy. They want an unassuming wagon so when it all goes to shit they can collectively sigh and pretend to not know any better. I've entertained the idea of Non being scum but it personally just doesn't make sense with how I am reading other players.

This is where you come in. Where are you looking if Non is scum? Have you thought about it? I've read a bit of your posts and I see you were pressuring ABR for being apart of poor decisions calling him SCUM. You made actually a very strong proclamation. Where did it go? Why did you get off ABR and decide to vote Nom instead? If you have doubts about him then you have someone who is actually here and willing to go through them with you. You're wasting a vote on Vax/Non and you absolutely know this.

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Muh is active? He doesn't look that active to me. My replacement happened to just be voting him.

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I didn't think you were a person who read into the outcomes of the night so surely. I'm not thinking about at all why Nero died, and from what I can see he suspected you. Why shouldn't I do the same?

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Gamma/DGB/you/Starbuck more or less.

Hey I agree with one of these, I assume Gamma is your priority?

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I offered my perspective on why it's a bad push and why it doesn't make sense for me to be defending him as his mate

Did you read it?

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It looked like you tried to take a card out of ABR’s deck there

What did you mean by this Gamma

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Gamma/DGB/you/Starbuck more or less.

Hey I agree with one of these, I assume Gamma is your priority?

I’d appreciate if you are forthcoming with the specifics of this btw

I think what I want out of this day is pretty clear if you see the way I am being towards certain players

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From my own experience (as scum), if we're winning then we're doing something right and we're likely going to keep doing it. This wagon doesn't seem like scum are bothered about it at all

I don’t disagree with this
But ABR does have a point, the top 4 active slots are dead so we should probably get content from the inactive slots before trying to lim more active people. Civ Mafia was infamous for being a game where town ate itself alive while scum sat in the shadows practically laughing their asses off. I’d like to not repeat that.

Who in your eyes is the inactive slots that need more content? I think Muh is one of those and I again, would love to see votes on him.

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From my own experience (as scum), if we're winning then we're doing something right and we're likely going to keep doing it. This wagon doesn't seem like scum are bothered about it at all

I don’t disagree with this
But ABR does have a point, the top 4 active slots are dead so we should probably get content from the inactive slots before trying to lim more active people. Civ Mafia was infamous for being a game where town ate itself alive while scum sat in the shadows practically laughing their asses off. I’d like to not repeat that.

Who in your eyes is the inactive slots that need more content? I think Muh is one of those and I again, would love to see votes on him.

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I'm fine with the pressure as long as it amounts to something, I think the interaction between you three is a net positive in some regard. Could you see Vax/ABR duking it out like this a form of distance?

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Putting this here for my own reference

Nero Cain 510

Pretentious 398

NorwegianboyEE 296

Gamma Emerald 261

Guillotina 258

Albert B. Rampage 227
innocentvillager 206
Tayl0r Swift 148
NoPowerOverMe 142
DrippingGoofball 77
Umlaut 69
SirCakez 59 VOICE OF MOD:
muh316 44
Glitch 44
Vaxkiller 32 [replacement]
unwnd 28 [replacement]
May 27
TheGoldenParadox 22
JacksonVirgo 18
Insanoflex 16 [replacement]
TheDuke 11
Starbuck 6
Non lmh 4
Kanna 2
fferyllt 1
Town looter 1

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Votecount 3.2

Non lmh (5) - muh316, Umlaut, Albert B. Rampage, innocentvillager, Gamma Emerald
muh316 (2) - NoPowerOverMe, May
Albert B. Rampage (1) - DrippingGoofball
TheGoldenParadox (1) - Insanoflex
May (1) - Glitch
Umlaut (1) - TheGoldenParadox

Not voting (2) - Non lmh, Starbuck

(expired on 2020-12-11 08:28:00) remain until day end

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to reach a majority.

The votecount is wrong here and Umlaut is voting muh right now

Again reference

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So I'm running with your theory right now ABR about lurkscum and the like. You're not one of them so you clear yourself of that burden immediately. Looking at Non's wagon we have two people who would qualify as lurkers (Muh/Umlaut). Gamma, You, and IV all have a decent chunk of posts. I'm referring to this instance because you believe Non/Vax is just a lurkscum right? Well again. There's two on his wagon right now. Are those mates saving face, or is there a possibility something else is going on? It's like I said before, Insano's vote on TGP isn't terrible but I find it to be worthless in the scheme of things. I've seen you rally town for your desires and if you truly believe that Non Imh needs to be flipped, at least tell me your gameplan after.

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Looking at activity count, you have probably 4(?) people who I would consider not lurkers, and everyone else either replaced out or didn't meet the quota. Those slots being ABR (You), Gamma, IV, NPOM. Maybe DGB. You seem to to believe that right now, town is merely coming together for what little life they have left in order to air out some dirty laundry. 3 out of the 4 active slots want Vax gone. I can see your perspective, but what I wonder is that

Clearly, this town is probably made up out of more than 4 people. You told me that we shouldn't be shooting in the actives but again, Muh definitely isn't one of them. I don't see where the difference between Non and Vax exist, especially when Vax is here and Muh is not. That should fit into your priority to force scum's hand, should it not?

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Huh? VC says you are

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Umlaut has actually pinged me as town from his D2 play

Liked his vote on Muh but apparently it's not even his actual one. I don't know why ABR started to insinuate that there was conspiracy against him. I think the concept of lurk/inactive to this game is far-fetched. What you have is a bunch of people simply not playing and a good chunk of that is likely town. We should be sorting that out right now, and I'm willing to even drop a case on Muh if I have to

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I'm leaning town on you for now too Gamma

What would be your PoE right now if you had it? What do you think about the current lurker situation?

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Get your own foot out of your mouth. I've asked simple questions thus far and you ignored them to strike me with opposition.

Are you interested in winning this game? I am. You've spent 3 phases unchecked and now you're pissy because you never had any actual reads in the first place.

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This is your reaction to ONE vote? A cute, innocent little vanity wagon?

I would hate to see what buttons would be pushed if you got a second vote

Logically, your actions don't make sense. It's my job to figure out why that is. Again, I posed you a simple question: do you want to win. There's a reason I'm asking all these questions and being forthright. There's a reason that I don't agree with what's happening right now. We're

losing.

Right now, my priority is figuring who is making us lose, that includes intentionally or not.

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Unwnd my actions make perfect sense.

Badgering me with rhetorical questions won't get you anywhere.

You don't sound particularly town.

None of my questions have been rhetorical. Town doesn't want to lose games. I asked you basic things such as your reads, while giving my perspective on why I think you don't have them, and if you do, you're not following up on them.

Exhibit A:

Hey muh. If you dont want to get faded, Id vote ABR.

DGB, how about it?

I admire your spank.

I'm not getting scum vibes from ABR but maybe I'm wrong.

SCUM who doesn't want this magical opportunity to slip with excessive discussion:

In post 2470, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
Making the day longer sucks for the player who knows for sure they are going to die. I've been in that position, and I don't wish it to my worst enemy. If everybody's checked in and had a chance to say their peace, yeet them swiftly and honorably.

Where did this go.

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Yeah, the scum are me, Gamma and IV. Well played.

I didn't imply this, but as far as I know Gamma is in your pool

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Unwnd my actions make perfect sense.

Badgering me with rhetorical questions won't get you anywhere.

You don't sound particularly town.

None of my questions have been rhetorical. Town doesn't want to lose games. I asked you basic things such as your reads, while giving my perspective on why I think you don't have them, and if you do, you're not following up on them.

Exhibit A:

Hey muh. If you dont want to get faded, Id vote ABR.

DGB, how about it?

I admire your spank.

I'm not getting scum vibes from ABR but maybe I'm wrong.

SCUM who doesn't want this magical opportunity to slip with excessive discussion:

In post 2470, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
Making the day longer sucks for the player who knows for sure they are going to die. I've been in that position, and I don't wish it to my worst enemy. If everybody's checked in and had a chance to say their peace, yeet them swiftly and honorably.

Where did this go.

It faded away.

Very unfortunate, but also circumstantial on your part lol

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How about a Muh vote then Gamma?

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Why did it take you so long to get there? I think your wagon sucks but not that much to where you can change votes like a snap.

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town isn't necessarily lost. even morale super low is an overstatement. sure we're not in a great spot but my morale is fine, we're mostly just waiting on inactive slots to do stuff

I was really hopeful that town would be so lost they would jump on and that scum would fight it.

They're not gonna do anything if they're not incentivized. I don't know where waiting on a miracle turns into solving the game

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Why did it take you so long to get there? I think your wagon sucks but not that much to where you can change votes like a snap.

I read 2775 when I replaced in, it was right at the top. It started me on a wild goose chase. I liked the case, but ABR looked worse. I wanted to question ppl and get them on the record. I was really hopeful that town would be so lost they would jump on and that scum would fight it. I see some scum action, but half of town is just AFK. I cant do shit with that.

I empathize with your position and noted this myself. I don't believe that all town are simply inactive, don't get me wrong. There's definitely some lurkscum in that batch, it's just the neglect from town people who simply don't want to post is staggering progress. That being said, miracles won't happen. I don't get IV's position of just waiting.

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town isn't necessarily lost. even morale super low is an overstatement. sure we're not in a great spot but my morale is fine, we're mostly just waiting on inactive slots to do stuff

I was really hopeful that town would be so lost they would jump on and that scum would fight it.

Looking at your post again annoys me

Don't you care that you mislynched two townies?

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Don't need to tell me twice NPOM lol

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Well starbuck it's because I hate being scum

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If anyone wants to help me

Right now my established town meta on Gamma is that he is very opinionated towards his pushes, often using a lot of 'fuck' and CAPS in order to drive the point home of dislike, but other than that he remains pretty obstinate and never a factor in the thread

Does this seem wrong?

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I find it really difficult and end up overthinking my own town habits to an exaggerated effect, which then just makes me wish I was town

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Nah, if you read Weakest Link as Starbuck referred to, a lot of that was just me literally not reading the thread and just posting useless conjecture that I never substantiated upon

I have actual conviction here

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If anyone wants to help me

Right now my established town meta on Gamma is that he is very opinionated towards his pushes, often using a lot of 'fuck' and CAPS in order to drive the point home of dislike, but other than that he remains pretty obstinate and never a factor in the thread

Does this seem wrong?

Yes it does.

Meta is rubbish and boring.

Gamma doesn't seem like a flexible player in that sense, so with him his meta is more potent

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Yeah that's currently where I lean right now, but from recent games I only have experience with him as town, so I wanted to see if anyone had differing experiences

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abr is looking bad if this flips town
and i don't really think muh is very +scum :/

Insano this was your main man earlier and if you still feel that way this post looks terrible if muh is town

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Alright today is a critical day, I've done a lot of thinking and I'm ready to give my thoughts in full. I'm keeping this brief for now but I will come back

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VOTE: gamma emerald

Has been on all three town wagons

This is the best post so far made this phase

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I mean, that is clearly a reason

But there are more reasons

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ABR is feigning, don't worry about it

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Look at Gamma and the fact he isn't here right now and that should already be a good start.

I did an extensive dive on a few players and I'm very convinced that Gamma is just scum here. As another point, look at the way he has participated throughout the last day and previous days. His posts reads like scum who feels isolated from a town mindset, therefore he just surrounds himself in the noise in order to fit in. It's not that you need to be provcating a lim or that aggression is inherently townie, it is how you use it. I believe that even the most passive townies are driven by some sort of pursuit and has a measure to get to their reads. Gamma changes his mind based on what the thread is doing and nothing else. This is especially bad if you know Gamma. Town are not afraid to make critical positions in the thread even if someone disagrees. Gamma has just been finding him in the middle of conversations to hide, then when it seems like nobody is paying attention he justifies a poor vote onto the leading wagon repeat this for 3 days

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Yes, go look at this D1 behavior in full. If you can tell yourself a moment that Gamma was willing to have an opinion that formed of his own thoughts and did not merely borrow, then I will redact everything I previously said. I'm not a post-by-post person, I just visualize how I feel about someone and then let my reasoning do the work.

unwnd; do you find that your play and the way you have been doing it is particularly townie for you? I’m just curious, I have some paranoia about you despite it looking like you are trying to turn it around as town. Yes I’m essentially just asking you for self meta.

I think I've been extremely town and I've penned some really good posts in this game

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Look at Gamma and the fact he isn't here right now and that should already be a good start.

I did an extensive dive on a few players and I'm very convinced that Gamma is just scum here. As another point, look at the way he has participated throughout the last day and previous days. His posts reads like scum who feels isolated from a town mindset, therefore he just surrounds himself in the noise in order to fit in. It's not that you need to be provcating a lim or that aggression is inherently townie, it is how you use it. I believe that even the most passive townies are driven by some sort of pursuit and has a measure to get to their reads. Gamma changes his mind based on what the thread is doing and nothing else. This is especially bad if you know Gamma. Town are not afraid to make critical positions in the thread even if someone disagrees. Gamma has just been finding him in the middle of conversations to hide, then when it seems like nobody is paying attention he justifies a poor vote onto the leading wagon repeat this for 3 days

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As scum these really good posts are things I don't believe in. They're at the same length but a lot more based on conjecture, and the actual content of them doesn't matter. My goal as scum is for you to read my effort as town. My goal as town is to read my effort and then agree with me.

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I think ABR/Gamma are my priorities today. I am less sure on DGB after thinking things through over night

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Moreover, I think my Insano read is just an overshot likely. TGP again, had a horrible EoD and I think his thoughts about TGP were pretty accurate

I just turned the other way and believed in Muh, it happens

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I think TGP would fit in your bias there

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I actually see what you're saying a good amount. He seems like he could be scum trying to wrap up this game by suddenly coming around like he was just conveniently busy for the rest of the game

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That being said though, what made you wake up IV? Last phase we talked you disagreed with me in terms of town's morale and that we were just waiting for lurker/inactive slots. What changed and what were you mulling about?

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Any reason you weren't? Priorities? I won't this as a fault against you, but my town were in a bad position (and I were actually yknow, there the whole time) I'd get pretty annoyed especially if nobody was listening to me

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Ignore that for now, could you answer me for what I asked a bit earlier?

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Vax I understand you're claming PR, but I think you should get a true order so people don't haphazardly claim. I'm already not a fan of the few VT throw outs

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I think Vax should go first with his results because I agree with DGB that he was leading up to something

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I claim VT as well, which makes me uncomfortable with my other VT claims with how many are dead in the graveyard

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Did IV just forget that Guillotina was a tracker and fakeclaimed?

oh shit seriously

I'm not sure what I'm looking at here

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Well, damn

My vote is on Gamma

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I think regardless of your claim you're not trying to clear Starbuck as scum, usually scum PR claims (if that's what this is) are done in self-serving ways, because if it goes to shit then someone like (Starbuck) would just sink with you

Why'd you lie and say you knew you got shot?

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Well, damn

My vote is on Gamma

How gullible would say you are on a scale of 99 to 100?

My vote on Gamma is independent of the claim

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I mean they're both still dancing and maybe Vax is gonna just confirm Inno as scum once he gets the claims lol

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I don't know why you would want to shutdown people giving willing info when it seems like sorting on our own has lead to this. If we didn't need the help, we wouldn't be in this position. Why are you being so antagonistic and hurried?

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Then combat those reasons, I didn't know you were dancing as well

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DGB, don't be overzealous. Put forth what you have to say instead of being intentionally vague

I'm close to just dropping a nuke on this thread, I've already decided who I think is scum and the more this drags the more you tie my patience

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I want to let Vax keep doing what he's doing, and for DGB to start pretending like they have something worthwhile to say and isn't merely instigating an obvious PR and delaying inevitability so their scumteam gets more time to assess the situation

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Oops I wasn't supposed to say that

Has anyone seen Gamma? Can you guys tell him it's safe to come out now

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After thinking it through

It's happening

T-Minus 18:00 hours

You scumfucks better run for cover.

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You're full of shit and have been this whole game.

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You want to impede progress, make convenient reads, and stall for time.

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The only thing that matters is if your implication leads to Vax being scum, and for that

Why hesitate? I don't believe controlling this game is what scum wants, given they've already been 'controlling' it for so long

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Just answer me

Is Vax scum or not? I don't believe in have another nothing-day where half of the game doesn't play. This is the most productive we've been in ages

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OK and I agree

Now if you want you're free to tell me why you think ABR is scum and where that else leads to

I have to be somewhere in Manhattan for a project

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Just let Vax do whatever the fuck he wants, I'm not going to stop him and you shouldn't either

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And what of potential partners?

IV I'm just gonna say this now but

I know you're lying about Glitch

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This gambit malarkey has to seriously stop

It might've worked if it was the first gambit, but it certainly isn't

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He claimed Glitch visited Umlu?

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Yes and I'm pretty sure once he reads this he will agree

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More like IV didn't track Glitch to Umlu's body lol

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Yes I did

Your turn

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And you knew this how?

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So you rolestopped IV yes?

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Alrighty then

Vax you're welcome

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Absolutely

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Well for one you claimed

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I think the people who aren't talking should parse this information wisely

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I don't disagree with you and never did

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Gamma and ABR are both shitting themselves lol

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Again, look at the fact they're not here. You don't disagree with me do you? Who else do you think is scum, in light of IV obviously faking results?

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...Because you said you rolestopped him

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So you rolestopped IV yes?

Obv

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Glitch - No claim
Starbuck - No claim
Insanoflex - No claim
Gamma Emerald - VT
TheGoldenParadox* - No claim
Albert B. Rampage - 1-shot Bodyguard
NoPowerOverMe - No claim
innocentvillager - Universal Backup (Now 1BP Tracker, claims result on Glitch, Starbuck visited no one n2)
unwnd -
Vaxkiller - PR
DrippingGoofball - One-shot Rolestopper w/ Doc Utility

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I lied, NPOM claimed VT

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Glitch - No claim
Starbuck - No claim
Insanoflex - No claim
Gamma Emerald - VT
TheGoldenParadox* - No claim
Albert B. Rampage - 1-shot Bodyguard
NoPowerOverMe - VT
innocentvillager - Universal Backup (Now 1BP Tracker, claims result on Glitch, Starbuck visited no one n2)
unwnd -
Vaxkiller - PR
DrippingGoofball - One-shot Rolestopper w/ Doc Utility

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I think Bodyguard/Your role probably doens't make sense in this game and I happen to think you agree right?

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also what is going on with the whole claims thing wtf

I will fully catch up at some point

unwnd you can’t posssibly think I’m scum here??

Not sure, do you still hold to your results?

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Glitch - No claim
Starbuck - No claim
Insanoflex - 2-Shot Gunsmith (Claims NO GUN on ABR N2, Claims NO GUN on TGP n3)
Gamma Emerald - VT
TheGoldenParadox* - No claim
Albert B. Rampage - 1-shot Bodyguard
NoPowerOverMe - VT
innocentvillager - Universal Backup (Now 1BP Tracker, claims result on Glitch, Starbuck visited no one n2)
unwnd -
Vaxkiller - PR
DrippingGoofball - One-shot Rolestopper w/ Doc Utility

I'm pretty sure the rest of the claims will just be VT at this point.

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I agree with you Insano by the way, there is definitely too much power right now. Let's see what Vax has to say (and what IV has to say) and go from there

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Alright let's seperate PR claims then

Insanoflex - 2-Shot Gunsmith (Claims NO GUN on ABR N2, Claims NO GUN on TGP n3)
Albert B. Rampage - 1-shot Bodyguard
innocentvillager - Universal Backup (Now 1BP Tracker, claims result on Glitch, Starbuck visited no one n2)
unwnd -
Vaxkiller - PR
DrippingGoofball - One-shot Rolestopper w/ Doc Utility

One of those is lying, in-fact I'd say two of them are liars.

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I claimed that I knew you were lying about your results, which in turn made DGB say that they Rolestopped you, which explains why I got no results

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Cat's outta the bag though

Vax, sorry in advance but I know you were leading up to it.

Vax is a Neapolitan/Neighborizer.

He neighborizes with anyone who is VT, but receives NO RESULT for anyone else. On N1 he targeted May (me) and on N2 he targeted Umluaut. N3 he targeted you IV. What this means however is that the reason that DGB claims Vax got no result is not because of their role, rather it is how Vax's role works. I believe their claim to be completely fake.

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Oh what's worse for their claim is that they thought it was me actually who had the results, I was only doing my part for Vax

I was actually laughing about it to myself lol

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Glitch - No claim
Starbuck - No claim
Insanoflex - 2-Shot Gunsmith (Claims NO GUN on ABR N2, Claims NO GUN on TGP n3)
Gamma Emerald - VT
TheGoldenParadox* - No claim
Albert B. Rampage - 1-shot Bodyguard
NoPowerOverMe - VT
innocentvillager - Universal Backup (Now 1BP Tracker, claims result on Glitch, Starbuck visited no one n2)
unwnd - VT (Neighborized)
Vaxkiller - Neapolitan/Neighborizer
DrippingGoofball - One-shot Rolestopper w/ Doc Utility

Updated list

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So here is the hypothetical where absolutely everyone is telling the truth who has claimed PR. It would mean the team would have to be Gamma/Glitch/Starbuck/NPOM. I don't believe this is true at all. What's happening right now is that Gamma is being thrown under the bus and the rest of the scum are claiming PRs. I believe in this wholeheartedly, and I believe Glitch absolutely has to claim PR either way.

Spoiler: Humor

Glitch - No claim
Starbuck - No claim

Insanoflex - 2-Shot Gunsmith (Claims NO GUN on ABR N2, Claims NO GUN on TGP n3)

Gamma Emerald - VT

TheGoldenParadox* - No claim

Albert B. Rampage - 1-shot Bodyguard

NoPowerOverMe - VT

innocentvillager - Universal Backup (Now 1BP Tracker, claims result on Glitch, Starbuck visited no one n2)

unwnd - VT (Neighborized)
Vaxkiller - Neapolitan/Neighborizer

DrippingGoofball - One-shot Rolestopper w/ Doc Utility

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That's way too much power. If everyone is being truthful, that is 5 PRs (including our dead one). I think Vax's role would be too powerful if it had not only a Bodyguard AND a Rolestopper to protect him. DGB panicked and made a poor claim, and now they're saving face by corroborating and ensuring that if one got limmed there would be a story to explain the other's actions. When I mean Gamma is being thrown under the bus, I don't mean it where I think they're in here and going to bus him, I mean just by circumstance he has effectively been chosen as a lim target if their claims want to hold true.

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Lol. did DGB just get caught trying to save IV's fakeclaim?

They were pretty much openwolfing, as people would say

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Vax was taking too much time so I stepped in and did the job for him. I just didn't expect from them to crumble like that

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Gamma/DGB are two.

To not mince words, I am confident on the others. I really was gonna Nuke this thread and then this happened

Kinda a shame, haven't done a nuke in a while...

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Oh what's worse for their claim is that they thought it was me actually who had the results, I was only doing my part for Vax

I was actually laughing about it to myself lol

Cat's outta the bag though

Vax, sorry in advance but I know you were leading up to it.

Vax is a Neapolitan/Neighborizer.

He neighborizes with anyone who is VT, but receives NO RESULT for anyone else. On N1 he targeted May (me) and on N2 he targeted Umluaut. N3 he targeted you IV. What this means however is that the reason that DGB claims Vax got no result is not because of their role, rather it is how Vax's role works. I believe their claim to be completely fake.

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No

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Vax is a Neapolitan/Neighborizer. He neighborizes with anyone who is VT, but receives NO RESULT for anyone else.

See, I do not quite believe that.

Let's say it's true. How did I know you got NO RESULT???? HOW

You guessed based on what was going on in the thread, worried about the fact I thought IV's claim was fake, which in turn made you claim Rolestopper

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The same reason I pretended to remain hesitant (but still dismantle) Vax's wagon once he replaced in

Because making ourselves obvious neighbors doesn't beneift us.

Listen DGB. You can say I'm scum but you know that even if somehow you convinced this non-active town to vote me

Once I flip green you're fucked, and what's worse is that you'd still have Vax to get through, but I think your plan right now is to get rid of our dynamic and put on a bunch of bad faith/scum flail because you're caught

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Jee DGB, where was this energy last phase? Amazing.

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The scum flail continues

Hmm maybe I should do the nuke after all

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OK Then!

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unwnd are you saying I’m scum? I don’t even understand the allegations/conclusions people are coming to

or are you saying dgb is scum?

Team is DGB/Insano/ABR/Gamma

I'm bored of this shit man. If Glitch happens to be scum then whatever slot him out for Insano

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unwnd are you saying I’m scum? I don’t even understand the allegations/conclusions people are coming to

or are you saying dgb is scum?

He is saying we are scum together, that I am covering your fakeclaim.

Wrong again scumfuck

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They is referring to you, I'm just trying to be courteous because 'It' flows weird in that sentence

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What you're looking for is if I said

They're

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It's almost like we dismantled the wagon on Vax and just led with Umlu's theory on Muh because we didn't want to deal with this headache...

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Your fakeclaim was impulsive

Yeah and who did Umlu vote yesterday? It was Muh.

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It's a Neapolitan/Neighborizer. Vax only gets VT results and then they're added to the Neighbor PT.

You're missing a crucial aspect lol

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Hey Gamma come defend your partner harder please lol

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Did you per chance get a NO RESULT?

Yes I did

Your turn

How many people targeted IV last night????,

No result means you were BLOCKED

And you knew this how?

I know this because I am a rolestopper.

I never used the role until last night, when I was hoping to use it as doc protection on IV.

So there you have the reason why I didn't want to mass claim. I didn't want my doctor utility outed.

So DGB...why did you say that I was the one who got NO RESULT if you're claiming before it was Vaxkiller that did the action?

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Jesus they make it too easy these days

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Did you per chance get a NO RESULT?

Yes I did

Your turn

How many people targeted IV last night????,

No result means you were BLOCKED

And you knew this how?

I know this because I am a rolestopper.

I never used the role until last night, when I was hoping to use it as doc protection on IV.

So there you have the reason why I didn't want to mass claim. I didn't want my doctor utility outed.

So DGB...why did you say that I was the one who got NO RESULT if you're claiming before it was Vaxkiller that did the action?

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Keep denying it scum, you've been bested

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I thought you targeted him too,

in which case you would also have NO RESULT. i POSTED 'DID EVERYONE target IV/'

Oh so you mean we're real either way because you're hinting that you knew Vaxkiller took action against IV which lead to you claiming rolestopper? Thanks.

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So DGB you're the scum rolecop right? Yeah you're the rolecop.

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Uh dude that's angleshooting lol

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You really just fucked yourself for no reason...

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We're talking ILLEGAL angleshooting. You can't quote something outside of this game like a clause on how normal games work

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Gamma, you can't do what you just did. You can't directly quote something outside of the game and then use it as a means of giving a read on someone.

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LMAO HOWIS REFERENCING NORMAL RULES ILLEGAL ANGLESHOOTING

Referencing/Paraphrasing is ENTIRELY different from just DIRECTLY QUOTING. You literally took something not in this game and applied it here.

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You didn't refer. You quoted. You tried to take your argument beyond the current game and validate your claim by referring to rules that may or may not apply here.

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I checked with my backup mod - we agree there is nothing rule-breaking about Gamma's post.

Then shit must've changed because it doesn't matter WHAT you never quote anything outside of the game you're in

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I will not be discussing this angle, it goes against my own morals and I do not play that game. Criticize and create a read on me on the basis of my play and not outside mechanics and or clauses presented on the website.

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Or I have the answers because we're neighbors and I'm confirmed VT to him, as was Umlu lol

There's nothing to argue here frankly

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Gamma you could've just hid some more but I guess you really wanna die that badly

Have it your way

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Vax is a Neapolitan/Neighborizer.

He

neighborizes

with anyone who is VT,

but receives NO RESULT for anyone else.

On N1 he targeted May (me) and on N2 he targeted Umluaut. N3 he targeted you IV. What this means however is that the reason that DGB claims Vax got no result is not because of their role, rather it is how Vax's role works. I believe their claim to be completely fake.

I might be stupid but I'm not dumb

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Meaning, he only neighborizes with VTs

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Yes I think I'm more annoyed that I'm literally just arguing with scum

And if somehow

SOMEHOW

You two aren't scum and me/Vax are missing something well this game will go down as a fucking display of why DELVING INTO MECHANICS IS ALMOST ALWAYS A MISTAKE

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Alright I hate everything about this, I'm thoroughly annoyed about what I'm seeing right now.

1) I'm actually the combined Neapolitan/Neighborizer. My initial claim was just Vax trying to protect me and me going along with the claim, but right now I think what happened is not that DGB Rolestopped IV, rather I was just outright roleblocked. There are instances in there that show this is true, with DGB claiming they knew Vax got NO RESULT and then claiming it was actually me that got NO RESULT. This was a slip on their part. This is all in the thread if you want to see it
2) I asked the mod to clarify what happens if I check a non Vanilla Townie, and he said that I would just receive 'person is not vanilla town'.
3) In exasperation due to other factors I was frustrated with the lack of fucking anything in this game and wanted to get the ball rolling
4) Little did I know, It would lead to this
5) I feel nothing but contempt and frustration right now

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Here is where DGB claimed they knew Vaxkiller got no result:

Vaxkiller, you targeted innocentvillger.

Then here is where DGB rescinded that comment and said that

I

was the one to receive no result

Did you per chance get a NO RESULT?

Yes I did

Your turn

No result means you were BLOCKED

And you knew this how?

I know this because I am a rolestopper.

I never used the role until last night, when I was hoping to use it as doc protection on IV.

So there you have the reason why I didn't want to mass claim. I didn't want my doctor utility outed.

So there you have it.

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So yeah DGB is caught scum, I am the actual combined Neighborizer/Neapolitan and DGB cannot possibly take back that post 3190 where they directly said Vax targeted IV

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don’t see how dgb’s softing on me or whatever is stuff she couldn’t have done as town rolestopper

When I think about this dude I have to think about all the other claims that are out there and it just...annoys me

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can someone summarize what has happened these past couple pages ple

Here are claims

unwnd - combined Neapolitan/Neighborizer (Non Imh n1, Umluat m2, IV n3 NO RESULT)
Vaxkiller - VT turned Neighbor
Insanoflex - 2-shot Gunsmith (NO GUN ABR n2 NO GUN TGP n3)
DGB - One-shot rolestopper/doc utility (Claims was on IV n3)
ABR - One-shot bodyguard
IV - Universal Backup turned Bulletproof Tracker (Claims Glitch visited Umluat, Starbuck visited no one n2)
Gamma - VT
NPOM - VT

Waiting on You/Starbuck/Glitch for other ones

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Um IV

I just realized

Why are you not just a 1-shot tracker if you're universal backup if that's what Guillotina was...

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You claimed results N2 and then results from the previous night as well

See DGB

This is why this fucking game annoys me

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Even I fell for the le epic gambit shit

Did we just toss salad DGB?

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God I am sorry if that's just what happened

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Nevermind then!

Maybe DGB can still be real though like

I really do feel like if what IV is saying is true right

It doesn't necessarily have to be DGB...

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Actually no not nevermind

Bulletproof usually denotes that you are bulletproof once

1-shot is a modifier used in order to balance roles, like how we have a supposed 1-shot bodyguard

OK Salad definitely tossed

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You know what

If it were just 1-shot tracker maybe it would be like "Bulletproof 1-Shot Tracker" and not "1-Shot Bulletproof Tracker"

OK OK Goddamnit

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can someone summarize what has happened these past couple pages ple

Here are claims

unwnd - combined Neapolitan/Neighborizer (Non Imh n1, Umluat m2, IV n3 NO RESULT)
Vaxkiller - VT turned Neighbor
Insanoflex - 2-shot Gunsmith (NO GUN ABR n2 NO GUN TGP n3)
DGB - One-shot rolestopper/doc utility (Claims was on IV n3)
ABR - One-shot bodyguard
IV - Universal Backup turned Bulletproof Tracker (Claims Glitch visited Umluat, Starbuck visited no one n2)
Gamma - VT
NPOM - VT

Waiting on You/Starbuck/Glitch for other ones

Again assuming all roles are just real (I doubt this) it's literally just Starbuck/Gamma/NPOM/TGP lol

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sorry Glitch as well

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Why is this game just continual throws

I was trying to stop this

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Actually if Insano is real then

TGP/ABR can't be scum

So it'd just be NPOM/Gamma/Starbuck/Glitch

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I think that

1 investigative is lying
1 protective is lying
OR
IV is not a universal backup and is lying

More confident in the two protectives, but that in turn gives me pause because you apparently cleared ABR of having no gun

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DGB for some reason I feel like believing you, your claim didn't seem planned at all.

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I was getting tunnel vision on the gamestate and I apologize. I hope you can see though that Gamma fanning the flames of our argument was scum as fuck regardless

DGB, 100%

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This makes me wonder how I should feel about NPOM

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IV right now I kinda think if I believe you right

Insano is the fakeclaim and then ABR is the fake protective

So Insano/ABR/Glitch/Gamma?

Huh

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And then if insano is real then again it'd just be

Gamma/Glitch/NPOM/Starbuck

Either wey it's gamma guys lol

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Do we have enough just to elim him as a collective? I'm down for it. These past couple of hours have been misery and I'm tired of thinking

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Takes 6

Me vax TGP you (IV) DGB

Damnit we'd need one more

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could NPOM fit in there? I swear, he was taunting me when he was like "What's wrong with being scum? I love being scum."

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Why do you hate being scum? I love being scum.

The amount of non conversation is staggering. Present a new case or get on board with the old one.

These

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I was getting tunnel vision on the gamestate and I apologize. I hope you can see though that Gamma fanning the flames of our argument was scum as fuck regardless

DGB, 100%

You haven't seen the role card, how can you be certain?

Cause Umlu was a VT and was neighborized by the same process as Vax

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My new thought is

NPOM/Insano/Glitch/(Gamma)

Seriously I looked at NPOM and it's a barren fucking wasteland

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Wait no ABR has to fit there too

God fucking hell

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Would Gamma do what he did with us earlier as town DGB?

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Insano, you're very sensible when you post but I worry about your activity/other gut pings. Give me a stream of consciousness when it comes to how you feel about this thread and why you've sorta avoided it

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Also, I really think ABR is scummy so I'm just sitting here lost in all these fucking claims, so the NO GUN result just fucks with my brain further

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Can normals have indies?

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My guess on a setup is 11/5/1

This guy has been dropping TMI this whole game and I just am now seeing it

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Certainly you have a bit of reads even if they're maintained by gut or what have you. I've given up my nicer presentation of the previous days to just hash things out even if it isn't pretty. If you're town I'd love to see a bit of just letting loose

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glitch’s interactions with ABR are certainly weird. ABR expresses him in his elim pool but never votes him.

Idk if it’s necessarily partnery (definitely could be? it’s a little like, too theatrical every time he mentions him) but it is weird and worth looking into.

And if ABR scum, insanoflex is probably just scum

ABR/taylor interactions don’t look incredible either

I'm inclined to think that the doctor claim was a joke

Scum post?

lol gamma why are we like this

I've hated this post for a very long time IV

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glitch’s interactions with ABR are certainly weird. ABR expresses him in his elim pool but never votes him.

Idk if it’s necessarily partnery (definitely could be? it’s a little like, too theatrical every time he mentions him) but it is weird and worth looking into.

And if ABR scum, insanoflex is probably just scum

ABR/taylor interactions don’t look incredible either

I'm inclined to think that the doctor claim was a joke

Scum post?

lol gamma why are we like this

I've hated this post for a very long time IV

what about it do you hate and why?

Just felt mocking. I think scum's attitude especially right now was pretty much mocking town's non-progress. It's not like definitive mind you but I digress

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Certainly you have a bit of reads even if they're maintained by gut or what have you. I've given up my nicer presentation of the previous days to just hash things out even if it isn't pretty. If you're town I'd love to see a bit of just letting loose

Oh, like in that sense? I'm still kind of spinnin from the claims. But I don't think you and Vax do some elaborate gambit like this as scum.

I think DGB may be realclaiming her role but is scum regardless.

IV I keep going back and forth on in my head because it's broken, but I scumread Glitch anyway and it's actually a very good claim for a bus. Which leaves...NoPower/Starbuck/Gamma? And to me NoPower and Starbuck are the scummier of the claimed VTs even if I have a little concern about Gamma. There seemed to be real conviction in how he interrogated your claim where there other two just...haven't done anything.

Sigh I mean I guess that could be true

What's happening right now is that I am extremely, extremely disappointed in the town that are not here playing regardless because they are making it way harder than it should be

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this was on page 7 though

Can you clarify if your thought is that this is scum!taylor mocking town to scum!gamma or scum!taylor to town!gamma?

Part of me felt that was a wink wink nudge moment between Gamma/Taylor actually

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ABR's apathy and giving up sucked so much shit

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I'm not scum. Just bored.

Be less bored, we are one lim away from LyLo and you haven't done anything lol

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I also feel the same. I think NPOM's 'Not scum, just bored' is a scumclaim btw

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ABR's apathy and giving up sucked so much shit

it’s also possible that it’s just fake because town might be screwed so who cares? do you think he’s town?

No I think he's scum right now, but that goes against what Insano is saying technically.

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And then there's Gamma which has been bothering the fuck out of me too