Mini Normal 2180 | Fake Peoples | Endgame

[VP Baltar]

VT central. Ico, you are next and then I'll go.

Then we should claim actions that happened to us we are aware of in the same order. List the night and what you know.

[VP Baltar]

IV and ABR can claim first on night actions that happened to them.

[VP Baltar]

While we wait for Ico to wake up: DV, what are your gut reads rn?

[VP Baltar]

i have claimed everything i know?

Ok, thanks

[VP Baltar]

ABR - tracker/motion detector
IV - hider
Gamma - VT
Peta - VT
Dunn - VT
DV - VT
Ico - ???
VPB - ???

[VP Baltar]

Dead:

Datisi - universal backup roleblocker
Shoshin - VT
SirCakez - Roaming Detective

[VP Baltar]

Dead:

Datisi - universal backup roleblocker
Shoshin - VT
SirCakez - Roaming Detective

Correx: datisi was Town Backup roleblocker

[VP Baltar]

My hood action failed

Fuck.sorry! I was trying not to ruin that night.

I am a Friendly Neighbor Roleblocker.

I targeted Ico N1, and Peta N2.

Therefore, we know neither of them performed a night kill on those nights.

[VP Baltar]

Ok, anyone have any actions that happened to them besides mine that they want to claim?

[VP Baltar]

Well now it looks like abr is mafia off of claims, tracker, roleblocker, and roaming detective seems like a bit much

This is my thought. It's hella town power

[VP Baltar]

Ico, who did you try to neighborize?

[VP Baltar]

Iconeum knowing they were roleblocked is believable

They were asking if there could be a town RB on D1. I softed a response trying to get them to stop talking about it. I can go find it if needed.

[VP Baltar]

Iconeum knowing they were roleblocked is believable

They were asking if there could be a town RB on D1. I softed a response trying to get them to stop talking about it. I can go find it if needed.

Sorry, D2 I mean

[VP Baltar]

My other reason for wanting to yeet ABR is that the kill made no sense last night if he is town. Let's even assume scum have a roleblocker. The biggest threat Datisi had was that he was claiming he had info that wasn't necessarily scum catching.

ABR was a known investigative. That's a way bigger threat. Scum could have just killed ABR and blocked Datisi in that world.

[VP Baltar]

A fn rb plus backup is super strong btw

He would have backed up the RB part only, but yes.

[VP Baltar]

A team like Gamma-DV-ABR makes a lot of sense, but I'm not fully locked in there.

[VP Baltar]

Fwiw, I can believe there would be a scum tracker/motion detector to help find the town power.

[VP Baltar]

I don't know what to do with IV necessarily

[VP Baltar]

Ico, who do you think is the team here?

[VP Baltar]

blehhhhhhh

still weird to think any of that comes from scum!abr

How so? Also, are you scum here gambiting with ABR?

[VP Baltar]

is it literally impossible that ABR and Baltar are both town given cakez was town? Can all 3 be in the game

Like can all the current claimed PRs be town or just... no

There are reasons beyond balance to think ABR is scum here. I've stated one already.

We should not be letting bullshit around failed role use pass. Been burned by that too many times.

[VP Baltar]

wait

I was in mini normal 2160 which had Town Rolecop, Town night 1,4 cop, Town Tracker, Informed Townie

this doesn’t seem outside realm of possibility?

The biggest reasons to think he is scum have nothing to do with setup spec.

1) pushing two misyeets and trying to blame others/claim he knew they were wrong the whole time.

2) failing to deliver on a NA that would have cleared another townie

3) not dying as an outted investigative or a sub optimal kill.

[VP Baltar]

*for a sub optimal kill

[VP Baltar]

Saving you was an obvious way to pocket you if you're town IV. That's classic scum play: white knight flailing townie. At worst, they flip green and you say "I told you so". At best, they survive and stan you the rest of the game, even when you're obvABR scum.

[VP Baltar]

I'm not 100% certain of course, but I'm going to have to hear a damn good case to overcome all the circumstances around ABR.

[VP Baltar]

If scum have a roleblocker type role (or rolestopped me) they could just mess with the investigation that way, also Datisi is very helpful and was obvtown

It doesn't matter how helpful Datisi was, that doesn't trump someone getting a guilty on you. There was no guarantee even that ABR would follow the plan. He is wildly unpredictable. There is no way that me as scum would let him live last night.

You could easily ice Datisi the next night.

Who are the scum here and why if not ABR?

[VP Baltar]

and was softing Pr

As I said, why not RB Dats and kill the known investigative?

Anyhow, you're using setup spec on shit you don't even know as a defense, whereas I'm voting things that actually happened in this game. Which of those do you think is stronger evidence?

[VP Baltar]

well, ABR does have a lot of heat rn so?

I don't know what this means. You mean that's why you're defending him?

[VP Baltar]

wait why did you target peta n3, did you think he was scum?

My thinking on my targets were as follows:

N1: was going to pick Datisi originally because he is paranoid and I didn't want the game to get in a pointless town on town fight. But I was worried about RBing him in case he was a power role, so I picked Ico because I know Datisi would just follow along if Ico said "trust me."

N2: I didn't want to interfere with the ABR-IV interaction (though my gut wanted to RB on ABR post Cakez flip), so I decided to town myself to a less obv town person as a way of triangulating my claim today if I lived. I also figured if there was a sleeper scum, I should try to hit that person because they'd be the one to NK.

I wasn't scum reading Peta, but with two town misyeets now, obviously we need to reconsider the game state and put all realistic possibilities back on the table.

[VP Baltar]

That feeling when the scum go silent in thread to figure out their next moves. It's fine, I'll wait.

[VP Baltar]

Most notably, gamma has posted elsewhere since I claimed.

[VP Baltar]

I'm moving and cyberpunk 2077 is coming out wednesday.

My posting will be greatly reduced.

I see that VPB has fakeclaimed.

VOTE: VPB

FOS Gamma

Lol and now we enter the WIFOM phase of caught scum

[VP Baltar]

Also is cyberpunk full? I'll be dead soon and could maybe join a new game

[VP Baltar]

Aw dang. Was hoping someone made a cyberpunk mafia game.

Anyhow, it is obv ABR. Before we end the day, I want people to name who they think the full team is. I have to try to block the kill tonight and I'd love some input.

[VP Baltar]

I have a theory that ABR's last two buddies are not being suspected, but that is more gut based. Your call is as good as mine.

I want to hear all theories. Me getting it right tonight will be the path to an easy victory.

[VP Baltar]

I don't think we need to rush this ABR yeet until we hear substance from everyone today

[VP Baltar]

fine whatever ABR can go, not gonna defend them anymore at this point

he's literally just lolcatting calling the confirmed FN scum

yeah that post was horrible and why im not longer going to defend them.

Lol, I appreciate the commitment to a view though. IV is either wifoming scum or very obvtown

[VP Baltar]

You also seem very low effort this game compared to other games I skimmed DeasVail

[VP Baltar]

You also seem very low effort this game compared to other games I skimmed DeasVail

Which games?

Don't remember all the names. Just went to your user posts and did some rando skimming.

[VP Baltar]

You also seem very low effort this game compared to other games I skimmed DeasVail

Which games?

I ask because it does not fit with my own impression

I'll fully admit, I don't put much stock in meta, but I hope you're not saying you're high efforting this game...

[VP Baltar]

My current reads look like this:

[Vp Batlar, Iconeum]
[innocentvillager]
[midwaybear, petapan]
[Gamma Emerald, DeasVail]
[ABR]

I am inclined to believe that midwaybear and petapan aren't both scum together

They're neutral to me otherwise, I kind of like midway's posts but I'm not sure if posting like this is in character for him when he's town

wasn't midway town in that game we were scum together?

[VP Baltar]

I'm not confident in it being Gamma, actually

Town points for a spicy take. What makes you think that?

[VP Baltar]

better question, who does he think it is if not me?

^I support this product and/or service.

[VP Baltar]

Almost think IV is scum here trying to WIFOM out of the pool?

[VP Baltar]

ICO, who do you think are most likely ABR buddies?

[VP Baltar]

Will catch up tonight but I’m pretty okay with ABR going here. I also still am ver y interested in eliminating Dunn

Are you fully caught up now? Who are ABR's partners?

[VP Baltar]

you’re seriously telling me you’re 100% convinced he’s scum?

I'm very confident, yes. If he's town, then he's just fucking the game, and my experience with ABR is that he is more ethical than that.

[VP Baltar]

again, I’m not interested in defending ABR anymore, but now you are using that to attack my slot which is why I brought it up again.

You getting worried scum?

[VP Baltar]

what is the point of asking questions like that

this is not the first time you have done that

Who else did I do it to?

And I have reasons.

[VP Baltar]

you did it again to me lol

Where specifically

[VP Baltar]

I'm waiting

[VP Baltar]

i think his D2 posting is like, outside of the scumrange of many players on MS so if i see something that suggests it's not outside ABR's scumrange id feel better about the ABR yeet

What are you seriously proposing here? You want to yeet someone else?

[VP Baltar]

The entire point of a big move like his claim is to buy a big bank of town cred and try to sail that ship to the end.

Scum knew for sure town had a roleblocker yesterday, so ABR's intent with the "I'll check IV" stuff was always to claim he was roleblocked. Then when the roleblocker claimed, he could have a 1v1 by claiming that person was a scum roleblocker.

He wasn't counting on me being a friendly neighbor as well, which is why we see the complete collapse.

This is all completely within the range of scum play for anyone who has been around the block enough times.

[VP Baltar]

Omg, he knows what I claimed. He is not that far behind.

Also, you notice how he went from it has to be IV or VPB, to suddenly wifoming around Gamma and DV?

I have to believe you are trolling me at this point because you can't legit be this bad at this game. I appreciate a different viewpoint, but come on man

[VP Baltar]

VPB if town get your head outta your ass I am obviously not competent enough as scum to pull this off.

You're exceptionally smart. Why in the world would I buy the argument you are just 2dumb2bscum?

[VP Baltar]

And is gamma scum or you're just voting him for not voting?

[VP Baltar]

dude you can't possibly think he didn't see FRIENDLY NEIGHBOR as part of the claim

He said I was fake claiming, so he saw the claim.

[VP Baltar]

Half tempted to go find a game ABR was in with a friendly neighbor to prove he is lying, but that is more work than I'm willing to invest in this charade.

As someone who was unfamiliar with the role when I came back this year, I've seen it A TON in games over the last couple months. It's clearly an en vogue role with the current site meta.

[VP Baltar]

okay i checked and it never shows up anywhere else in his post history so that is in fact real

You checked his games or just ctrl+f'ed it?

[VP Baltar]

Also, town would just wiki a role they didn't know. Gah, I hate my brain and my desire to trust people. It is obvious ABR is scum.

[VP Baltar]

I had a complete trump card. I can't be beat today. The only move would be to bus if ABR is scum.

[VP Baltar]

what's the lylo plan in the event ABR flips town?

Look HARD at VPB and his so-called targets I guess

I will 100% be dead tomorrow

[VP Baltar]

I had a complete trump card. I can't be beat today. The only move would be to bus if ABR is scum.

but why is that the only move? if i can think of all these arguments to defend him when plenty of people townread him why can't scum?

Because if you fail in that defense and he flips red, you are just drawing attention. Better to be in the herd and pile drive him than to stand out.

[VP Baltar]

lulwut

[VP Baltar]

VOTE: ABR

Voting before I do something stupid and talk myself out of the obvious

[VP Baltar]

Looks like ABR isn't conf scum?

Idk. I still think there is too much circumstantial evidence he is scum. He is now claiming ignorance and I don't truly believe it, but it's a smart AtE if he is scum.

[VP Baltar]

UNVOTE:

I'll give you 24 hours IV

[VP Baltar]

I still don't understand why you think DV can't be scum here, but oh well.

I think it's unlikely Dunn is scum.

Out of the people I targeted, maybe Ico makes me more paranoid? Idk I think they could both be town here.

[VP Baltar]

i dont think noraaslot being teamed with abr is impossible and in fact some things make a lot of sense if they were partnered

Idk, maybe. Noraa has fooled me as scum before. Their tensions seemed genuine I guess. If they are scum, I'm going to cry foul post game. That would be outside the bounds of what I'd consider fair or honorable play.

[VP Baltar]

Midway/gamma is the sort I'm struggling with. I'd be interested in anyone's in depth thoughts there

[VP Baltar]

My emotions aren't fake, go to hell.

[VP Baltar]

You thinking IV scum gamma?

[VP Baltar]

So like an IV and DV combo or you thinking something else?

[VP Baltar]

You specifically said I fake claimed.

[VP Baltar]

Theoretically, it's better to try to find a mafia roleblocker

Except we don't know there even is a scum RB.

[VP Baltar]

I should have hammered this when I had the chance.

[VP Baltar]

And I thought you wanted to yeet gamma, not DV?

[VP Baltar]

This just looks like scum doing anything to save his ass

[VP Baltar]

And what do we do tomorrow when you say you got roleblocked again?

[VP Baltar]

wait

I was in mini normal 2160 which had Town Rolecop, Town night 1,4 cop, Town Tracker, Informed Townie

this doesn’t seem outside realm of possibility?

The biggest reasons to think he is scum have nothing to do with setup spec.

1) pushing two misyeets and trying to blame others/claim he knew they were wrong the whole time.

2) failing to deliver on a NA that would have cleared another townie

3) not dying as an outted investigative or a sub optimal kill.

[VP Baltar]

You fucking pushed just as hard on me on cakez it was just as much your fault.

Go to hell.

This absolutely did not happen.

[VP Baltar]

I'm a millennial, tyvm

[VP Baltar]

Also, this is the fakest line of anger I've seen from you.

What happened to wanting to yeet gamma? Why did you call IV scum at the start of the day?

[VP Baltar]

What is your worldview rn?

[VP Baltar]

there is no town roleblocker.

massclaim only helps scum. theres a scum roleblocker confirmed.

why should we massclaim? its not LYLO.

Fucking cakez man I was seriously reconsidering his flip and could have saved him

Lol may as well claim scum bud

The last 2 mislynch don't happen without you.

VOTE: VPB

Im ready to vote out Gamma and VPB and IV

Fuck this game

VOTE: IV

[VP Baltar]

You haven't explained to me at all why you switched your view of IV and DV

[VP Baltar]

VOTE: ABR

You can't answer a simple question, you die. Simple as that

[VP Baltar]

Occam's razor this shit. Datisi doesn't die overnight in a world where ABR is town. He's also claiming there is both a scum RB and a scum ninja so he never has to have a real result. You're going to have to yeet ABR before end game.

[VP Baltar]

LISTEN TO MY READS.

Lol

[VP Baltar]

You folks gonna listen to confirmed town or someone who led you to back to back misyeets?

I trusted ABR too despite my D1 gut. There's no shame in that. Believing him now is fucking stupid though.

[VP Baltar]

I have a hard time seeing dunn scum here , ico.

I mean, DV could be a buddy who ABR is running up to distance.

[VP Baltar]

I thought more shouting might help

You also have to AtE and claim the whole game is riding on individual players so they change their vote or theyll feel guilty for the rest of their lives

[VP Baltar]

Dunn, switch your vote to ABR, please.

[VP Baltar]

Oh gamma's right. Anyhow, someone can hammer.

[VP Baltar]

Anyone who hammers DV over ABR is confirmed scum in my book

[VP Baltar]

And what do we do tomorrow when you say you got roleblocked again?

it's much much much worse then that.

he won't be roleblocked

he'll come out with a guilty, i'd bet money on that

True true.

[VP Baltar]

You are so fucking full of yourself with all your arrogance and stubbornness.

YOU DONT KNOW SHIT

allignment asside, you need to chill the fuck down

Don't worry. It is fake. ABR plays a psychological game meant to rock players into play favorable to him. He's a cuddly little porcupine, and his tricks don't work on me, nor do I take his insults seriously

[VP Baltar]

Waiting for this self hammer

[VP Baltar]

8 minutes later

[VP Baltar]

Hurry up so I can know you're dead and go to sleep

[VP Baltar]

gg scum.

Don't feel bad IV. You were playing decent. We were cursed. I blocked scum every night and it had zero effect on the game.

[VP Baltar]

gg scum.

Don't feel bad IV. You were playing decent. We were cursed. I blocked scum every night and it had zero effect on the game.

screw you btw

do you have

*any idea*

how much i was looking forward to pocket datisi in a pt?

Lol and here is was trying to pocket you both with a single shot. I do think my biggest mistake this game was not just targeting Datisi N1. I wonder if he would have found you out in the neighborhood?

[VP Baltar]

*I was...