Large Normal 230 - Game Over

[unwnd]

Could this be a 5-man scumteam setup? Feels too much. My heart won't let go of Gamma, agh

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Votecount 1.14

[Pretentious (9) -

NorwegianboyEE

,

Nero Cain

,

muh316

, Gamma Emerald, TheDuke, Tayl0r Swift,

Guillotina

,

Umlaut,

Albert B. Rampage
Non lmh (3) - NoPowerOverMe, DrippingGoofball, innocentvillager
Nero Cain (2) - Pretentious, Glitch
Tayl0r Swift (1) - May

Not voting (2) - Non lmh, TheGoldenParadox

(expired on 2020-11-29 10:00:00) remain until day end

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 to reach a majority.

Back to basics:

Wagonomics persists that there has to be scum on that Pretentious wagon.

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I looked at the other wagons and I found myself getting angry again.

A solid fuck you to any townie who is simply not playing. Do not join games if you choose not to participate.

[unwnd]

I feel intense doubt in that claim, as well

[unwnd]

Why do you keep forgetting that I'm a combined neapolitan neighborizer

[unwnd]

DGB why are you siding with a secondary protective when that makes absolutely no sense especially in light of the fact our tracker was bulletproof

[unwnd]

Why do i sleep for 8+ hours and still see half of the game simply not posting

I I'm the neapolitan neighborizer it was a shit gambit amongst ten other shit gambits in this game ok?

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Why do i sleep for 8+ hours and still see half of the game simply not posting

I I'm the neapolitan neighborizer it was a shit gambit amongst ten other shit gambits in this game ok?

That's some progress. So what is true, and what isn't?

1) My role is a combined neapolitan neighborizer. It works where I may target a player. If I get a result that my target is a vanilla townie, they will join my Neighborhood PT. If I am role-blocked, I will receive NO RESULT.
2) May (My previous slot) targeted Non Imh/Vaxkiller N1
3) She then targeted Umluat N2
3a) The post you kept referring to as to 'well why would Umlu vote the Neapolitan Neighborizer' is literally just one. And then afterwards he switches his vote onto Muh and even cases the guy. You were there to see it and I don't know why you keep forgetting.
4) I stepped in D3 after she went afk. The conversation between Non Imh and May was pretty shitposty. She wanted Umlu to get pressure off Non while also hiding her by getting him to claim Neopolitan Neighborizer with inno on Non. Umlu in our PT said that he couldn't claim an inno after voting Non Imh, which then caused him to change his vote.

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Instead what happened is that both Me/Umlu/Vax all agreed to keep me hidden, and for Vax to claim Neapolitan Neighborizer. This is all a huge lesson on how inefficient most gambits are and just lead to confusion. I don't think however that what happened was necessarily bad regardless, because now most claims are out and we have time to sift through them. I have a feeling scum had a rolecop anyways

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Why do you keep forgetting that I'm a combined neapolitan neighborizer

Again, roles don’t work that way

"combined neapolitan neighborizer" would neighborize regardless of the neapolitan result, barring extra modifiers
are you CERTAIN that's not the case? I've been pretty abrasive about this, but in the interest of fairness I'll give you the chance to double-check your side.

Here is the most simple explanation for you

I target someone
If that person is vanilla townie
I get '(person) is a vanilla townie' and then they join my PT
If not
I get '(person) is not a vanilla townie'
I have yet to see the instance of what happens if they are not vanilla townie, because both of my results were just vanilla townie and they joined the PT
I asked the mod to clarify whether or not someone is neighborized if they are not VT

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@Gamma

I got the mod to clarify

I can indeed neighborize people who are not VT, the two roles work individually but still work on the target

[unwnd]

I don't think my role being a scum role would ever make sense. The only implication you could make is that the Neapolitan aspect is untrue, but Vax can confirm that he was VT. I wouldn't be able to know his role if I were simply just a neighborizing goon, and for what purpose does scum need the Neapolitan aspect? There'd be no point and if anything it'd be ridiculously unbalanced as I could just recruit VT checks and then PoE down the other PRs in the game

Please think sensibly

[unwnd]

Ok but how about a combined Neapolitan neighbor....

Lol....

[unwnd]

I just told you why that is highly unlikely and too swingy to possibly be a scum role

[unwnd]

NPOM I like that you're here, please do me a small favor and tell me what you think of current PRs. I believe there is more than one scum in them

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Insanoflex - 2-shot Gunsmith (N2 ABR NO GUN, N3 TGP NO GUN)
DrippingGoofball - 1-shot Rolestopper (Used on IV N3)
Unwnd - Combined Neapolitan Neighborizer (Non Imh/Vax N1, Umluat N2, Innocentvillager N3)
ABR - 1-Shot bodyguard
Glitch - 2-Shot Vigilante (Claims to have shot Umlu)
Innocentvillager - Universal Backup turned 1-shot Bulletproof Tracker (Starbuck no visit n2, Glitch visited Umlu n3)

[unwnd]

it's essentially a weaker rolecop imo

If you think that I have played an increment of scum in this game you deserve to lose and the rest of the town as well because I have effectively been playing the game for them since D3.

[unwnd]

The claims frustrate me, because there are some aspects that go against my PoE

[unwnd]

I don't disagree NPOM by the way, but I am certain a good chunk of scum are in the claims

[unwnd]

Like I'm not gonna sit here and deny the facts

Glitch if he's scum is obviously with ABR. Look at the way he's danced around his ABR read. He is always sitting there with a ehhhhh impression and saying all of these platitudes in place of him. Things like 'wow ABR is really good and he's just so aggressive so I DON'T KNOW' and it feels like a partner who knows he has to talk about (his) partner but is afraid of completely giving an opinion

[unwnd]

Ok so something doesn't sit right with me.

Guillotine says he was shot, making it 2 kills last night, and then he takes it back when TGP, umlaut and NPOM catch him in a lie because limited-shot BPs are not told they lost a BP counter.

He tells us to scumhunt but it's critical that town knows how many kills there were last night in order to make an informed analysis.

Now here's what's interesting.

If he backtracks and says he wasn't told he was shot, then that leaves the door open for only one kill last night. Guillotine, since he's gambitting, would have known this.

So his Nero push is completely nonsensical.

Nero pocketed Norwee, why would he kill him if he's scum?

Why would Nero pick up on Glitch/DGB day 2 right where Norwee left off, if Norwee was killed to prevent him from going after his secondary reads after Pretentious?

It doesn't stand to reason that Nero would kill Norwee who believed him to be town, just to finish off what Norwee was going to do anyway.

But Guillotina brushes my concerns off and tries to make me believe there were two kills.

This whole Nero push was bullshit, he backtracked and said it's not Nero, it's one of the other players on his list, and was forced to retract his BP lie as well.

Guillotina is scum.

VOTE: Guillotina

Shit

ABR intimidates me so bad

and I think it's because I literally live by his Guide to Hunting Scum on the wiki and he seems to be a

prestigious player

in my mind. This makes it

so hard for me to sort him because he just feels so town in my mind [/b

but paranoia gets the best of me

. I know Tayl0r Swift has been banned but I get the same vibes on ABR as I did from TS:

freaking ridiculously hard to sort and I'm so bad at reading them.

ABR, why do you think the Nero push was bullshit originally? Is there more to it than the 6 player list of "herp derp there's a red check in here?" Or is that it? Or is it that you're TR'ing Nero so the push is shit?

I'm massive sus of Guillo but want to understand how you're thinking here.

P115

ABR vs Vaxkiller feels pretty TvT.

ABR willing to sheep Gamma is odd. A little ping there but his hyper confidence messes with my read there. I don't think I'm at the point of suspecting him enough to vote though.

Unwnd has a lot of super thought out posts that I don't know if it's normal for him, but it gives me the kind of vibes of high effort scum put in to put on a show.

VOTE: unwnd
I'll come back tomorrow after work with a case instead of just a short blurb. Its me and my wife's anniversary today and I want to spend time with her.

I have a huge problem with ABR's hammer on muh yesterday. HUGE

ABR is so good at sorting

and

yet his hammers are bullshit

.

That slot is so freaking intimidating to me

but I wouldn't mind voting there

. But if you're leading the charge it makes me second guess that because you're ranking in too SR list to begin with.

Whats with the hammer ABR? Do you have an excuse this time that's not "I don't like delaying the inevitable?"

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OK, so let me tell you guys what is happening here so you understand it clear:

This is a partner afraid to compromise on his own partner. Every time he is confronted with a read on ABR, he never actually answers the question whether he is town or not. He maintains that he believes ABR is prestigious, hard to sort, yet..he says he is paranoid. Why? See, the previous statement about him being paranoid does not match with the next quote, wherein he says that he thinks ABR vs Vax is just TvT. He never absolved his paranoia of ABR and there is no substantive evidence that his opinion changed from his normal hedgey stance about him. I think Glitch

knows

that he can't fully just change his mind and is self-aware that he's been trying to insinuate ABR is this overbearing threat (but not enough to lim, mind you). I really like the last quote the most because it continues the narrative of ABR being this big scary power player, literally saying 'he's good at sorting' BUT his hammers suddenly suck. First of all: Glitch if you're reading this I'm not sure where you think ABR deserves credibility as town because by your 3135 ABR had already been on two mis-lims wagons. Second of all, you called him and Vax TvT and now you're just alright voting there?

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Insano I'm kinda looking at you from two perspectives right now

One being that you're Town PR and you refuse to vote ABR because it contradicts your own results

Two that you're scum who can't vote ABR because it would contradicts your fake results

I can see why you don't vote ABR anyways, but besides Glitch would you have other suggestion?

[unwnd]

Hey Vax I'm kinda like immensely disappointed at this town and part of me doesn't want drag this out further. I've attempted to regain the morale and sitting here and just waiting for something to happen is going to leave me in agonizing pain.

VOTE: ABR

Let's cut our losses

[unwnd]

Insano I'm kinda looking at you from two perspectives right now

One being that you're Town PR and you refuse to vote ABR because it contradicts your own results

Two that you're scum who can't vote ABR because it would contradicts your fake results

I can see why you don't vote ABR anyways, but besides Glitch would you have other suggestion?

DGB. Or probably any of NPOM/Gamma/Starbuck

I really don't hate this honestly lol

[unwnd]

Gamma is voting ABR which stops me but at this point?

No fucks, they're gone

[unwnd]

I'm not sure where you came to those conclusions honestly, nothing in your ISO suggests a thought pattern that would lead to those reads

[unwnd]

I can get that vibe and it's why I wasn't nearly as suspect of him, but at some point I have to ask myself if it's just post requirement. He says things so direct and certain that it seems ingenuine

[unwnd]

Why Starbuck? IV claims to have seen Starbuck not visit anyone N2. I don't need a paragraph for your reasoning but just give something.

[unwnd]

It's just how I communicate. I'm not as certain as I come across.

Some previous games I looked at you were more descriptive about thoughts you felt really strong about or if you allotted pressure. Is there just nothing pinging you for the former?

[unwnd]

I could see DGB scum though.

I haven't given up on this, but she did happen to know that action was taken on IV. That's one point of credibility in that regard, but nothing more. I think right now I'm just weighing my options however, and that ABR's claim just looks worse and he's pretty much sitting here defeated. Glitch's claim is also just..really bad, and the story claimed doesn't do it any favors.

[unwnd]

I'm second guessing myself a lot this game and players seem to be trying to blend in rather than do things that set themselves apart and allow me to sort them. I guess.

I don't disagree at all with this

[unwnd]

My own disposition is that I really only have Vax as a townread. That's it. Everyone else is fleeting and there is not enough personable actions like you mentioned NPOM. I keep feeling like I'm just surrounded by scum and there's no end to it. It's not a justified paranoia, rather I don't feel like I'm connecting with people or getting into their true thought processes. The game felt way more alive D1 and since then it has become this deflated and sad state.

[unwnd]

Could you tell me what made you PoE Gamma NPOM?

[unwnd]

Even if it's just a sentence, just tell me what you see in difference.

[unwnd]

You're not reading if you think I don't have other reasons to think it's gamma

[unwnd]

I don't want to get into another argument, it's not what we need right now

[unwnd]

I thought you used up your ability?

[unwnd]

I know this because I am a rolestopper.

I never used the role until last night, when I was hoping to use it as doc protection on IV.

So there you have the reason why I didn't want to mass claim.

I didn't want my doctor utility outed.

My ONE action is going to turn out to be as bad as a Guillotina gambit

F

Merde

Shit

Damnation. If I would have known everyone but the scum were targeting him, I wouldn't have.

This is why I thought you were one-shot, because you were playing it off like you had no other chances left; along with doc utilty

[unwnd]

Shit happens and this game has been difficult

Do you think ABR is town or that you just want to deadlock him into using his "Ability"?

[unwnd]

I think what I'll likely do is just recruit one of the VT claims, because that's what my role is for.

I understand the Gunsmith result but I'm quite lukewarm to Insano's approach this game. He seems very detached, but there's nothing I hate when he pops in. Just wish he'd try harder to be more personable as with other players

[unwnd]

I have a question

Would voting no one favor us? It's something I don't really ever implore but I'm just thinking about the claims here.

[unwnd]

I'm gonna try and think about this mechanically, because that's the situation we're in.

[unwnd]

]Glitch - 2 shot vig taht shot umlaut
Starbuck - No claim
Insanoflex - 2-Shot Gunsmith (Claims NO GUN on ABR N2, Claims NO GUN on TGP n3)
Gamma Emerald - VT
TheGoldenParadox - VT
Albert B. Rampage - 1-shot Bodyguard
NoPowerOverMe - VT
innocentvillager - Universal Backup (Now 1BP Tracker, Glitch visited Umlaut, Starbuck visited no one n2)
unwnd - Neo Neighborizer
Vaxkiller - VT
DrippingGoofball - Rolestopper

Right now if it's 4 scum our numbers are 11 players. That leaves 7 of us as townies making it 7/4 right now.

Vote no one
NK
6/4 (MYLO)

or

Vote (ABR, Glitch)
NK
6/5 (LYLO)

We would be buying ourselves more time by forcing scum to take an action at the night. They have to shoot in one of the PRs, and right now DGB you are claiming you're going to be on me so I should be safe. I think we can force scum's hand by working around a few obvious fakeclaims. It's very likely they have a Roleblocker, but they can't roleblock both me and IV. If they have a strongman, the same effect. If Insano dies, then it confirms that TGP/ABR are soft-clear. If IV dies, it confirms Glitch is scum. It's a more monotonous road but we've been barelling through lynches without much thought. Basically what I'm saying is that scum will be forced into initiative and I'll have another chance to recruit one of the VTs, allowing us to get possibly another clear or scum.

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Vote no one
NK
6/4 (MYLO)

or

Vote (ABR, Glitch)
NK
6/5 (LYLO)

Math is wrong here

7/4
Mislynch
NK
5/4 (LYLO)

or

7/4
Vote no one
NK
6/4 (MYLO)

Same situation just wrong numbers my mistake.

In the instance of us being right it would be

7/4
Red flip
NK
6/3 (1 more phase to MYLO)

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So with that being said here is how the NAR should work

Unwnd - Pick a VT (Gamma, NPOM, TGP, Starbuck(?)
DGB - Rolestop unwnd
ABR - Bodyguard IV
IV - Track someone
Glitch - Shoot someone

I didn't account for the shot but if we vote no one then Glitch would effectively be confirming himself if he's real and while it would put us into LYLO,

Again, scum can't roleblock all of us. They also can't kill both investigatives. IV gets another result with guaranteed protection or scum is outed either way in the claims, and I would hopefully get another result. I trust Vax to make the right call and he would be confirmed town on my death either way.

[unwnd]

But what's the disadvantage in eliminating glitch

If he can't confirm himself we just lynch him tomorrow in MYLO which puts us at 5/4. Then NK, which puts us at 4/3. We can take the no vote here.

[unwnd]

If they have a rolecop then it's worthless. All information is out. The worst they can do is shoot into one of the PRs which confirms results anyways. If they shoot a VT, then that just lessens the PoE for us. I still believe a lot of scum are in the fakeclaims, therefore I don't want to play this game where they're forcing town to make a decision. No, they have to be the ones to do something or get outed in the process.

[unwnd]

@MOD

Would you announce if it's LYLO?

[unwnd]

This isn't a gambit, it's playing the numbers game. A gambit would be that nonsense I tried to pull earlier. I also kinda fear there's 5 scum instead.

You haven't? Common practice from memory

[unwnd]

It was worth suggesting, I don't necessarily trust every PR claim right now

[unwnd]

DBG if you dont mind me asking

When was your last scumgame?

[unwnd]

Having thought some things through and weighing everyone else

I think TGP is scum. His ISO is just so hollow and that EoD still is ingrained into my brain. The question is who exactly? I think if TGP is scum then he probably spewed IV in a non-direct way, and if he is scum then he's voting ABR purely for vanity purposes, at worst for distance. The question remains though is what Insanoflex thinks about this fact, given that he claimed to see TGP have no gun. I don't know, DGB is right that TGP is just simply not here but I think he's finding himself in a state where scum just don't know where to post. Where to keep up or what to say, so he just makes direct unsubstantial comments and feigns interest around things like EoD. I can't townread their behavior at all

[unwnd]

If the team is just literal half lurkscum I'll be fucking dissapointed, but part of me is starting to believe in that

TGP/Glitch then one in the PR claims. I feel good about this

[unwnd]

VOTE: Glitch

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Votecount 1.7

muh316[ (8) -

Nero Cain

, Glitch, Gamma Emerald, NoPowerOverMe, Tayl0r Swift, TheDuke,

NorwegianboyEE

,

Pretentious

Umlaut (3) - innocentvillager, TheGoldenParadox, Albert B. Rampage
TheGoldenParadox (2) - Guillotina,

Umlaut

Glitch (1) - May
Nero Cain (1) - muh316
innocentvillager (1) - DrippingGoofball

Not voting (1) - Non lmh

(expired on 2020-11-29 10:00:00) remain until day end

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 to reach a majority.

Now that muh is flipped, this is a strange votecount for me. I think when you're scum that sometimes distancing yourself from a bad wagon is the best thing to do, and right now my gut is telling me more of the scum are off the Muh wagon instead of on it. I think maybe just one voting Muh at best? The narrative fits how this game has gone, where town has self-immolated and scum doesn't need to do anything. If I am scum and town is just mis-limming for me, there's no need to put myself on a huge wagon. What usually happens is that commitment to a wagon happens where scum want it to make sense to be on there, or they're voting because town is getting antsy. I haven't looked too much into D2 but that was a huge day and I might go back there to see how the hell it went down.

[unwnd]

Votecount 1.14

Pretentious (9) -

NorwegianboyEE

,

Nero Cain

,

muh316

, Gamma Emerald, TheDuke, Tayl0r Swift,

Guillotina

,

Umlaut

, Albert B. Rampage
Non lmh (3) - NoPowerOverMe, DrippingGoofball, innocentvillager
Nero Cain (2) - Pretentious, Glitch
Tayl0r Swift (1) - May

Not voting (2) - Non lmh, TheGoldenParadox

(expired on 2020-11-29 10:00:00) remain until day end

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 to reach a majority.

Cakez color was fucking up coloring their names green for some reason. Italics are town-fliipped. ABR hammers are really really bad. Even here, it looks bad. I don't think that the whole scumteam ever commits to a d1 lim. I'm trying to remember a time this has been done once. I read this pretty closely to how I read the other wagon, where there is probably a 2/2 split in the sense that 2 are on the mis-lim and the other two are trying to keep their head down low.

[unwnd]

Gamma/TGP/Glitch/(PR Fakeclaim)

Game is won

[unwnd]

I hate hyperposting, but maybe this can be called solveposting instead because I don't want attention I just want to monologue to myself

[unwnd]

K I'll look at it while I continue to read this game

[unwnd]

DGB, would the trait of you trying to exaggerate your town behavior be close to how you want to play as scum? What I'm asking is that when I'm scum sometimes I get annoyed if people scumread me, so sometimes I'll be extra expressive about the fact or try make it seem like saying 'im town' a lot will eventually make everyone believe it.

[unwnd]

Right now my interpretation is that you feel you're a better town but people don't listen to you, so to compensate as scum you try to be really forth-right and almost obnoxious in your takes to make it seem like you're right and should be listened to.

Does that make sense?

[unwnd]

Unwnd
Vax

IV

DGB

NPOM

(Starbuck)

Insano

TGP

Gamma

ABR

Glitch

This feels right in my head.

[unwnd]

My decision isn't largely based on the fact that I looked at a game you were scum and then compared to it to this one. I think you have certain aspects of your play that retain town behavior, so either you are honed into those traits or you're scum and doing a good job at fooling me. I know it doesn't mean much, but I apologize for the argument we had earlier regardless.

[unwnd]

You shouldn't be saying that, you've had Gamma in your PoE for a while now

[unwnd]

This is good for us and narrows down our scumpool actually.

Yeah I have to agree, assuming it WAS the scumkill. Unless scum had it in their head Nero fakeclaimed VT as a PR, scum had to feel pretty damn pressured by Nero, probably pointing to his suspect pool.

Gamma why am I getting a bad feeling from you?

You were way more antagonistic to flipped town players than you are to me.

Gamma

/DGB/you/Starbuck more or less.

Gamma maybe killed Nero because they know each other well.

The others all possibly killed Nero. DGB was one of Nero's two main suspects. The other two slots were inactive and might not have even weighed in or had a say last night.

G

amma is in my POE.

If there's support there I will vote him.

[unwnd]

I just feel like ABR's claim is fake regardless, and like I said I think way back...DGB knew that IV was targeted. I don't think DGB is lying about her role at the very least. It just becomes a matter if she's scum

[unwnd]

The guy who claims to see you with NO GUN? Tell me where you're leaning

[unwnd]

These are things I'm interested in hearing. I know you have it in you to make stream-of-consciousness like posts Gamma, so if you did so it would really help my sorting process.

[unwnd]

Let's wait for a replacement on Starbuck, and hopefully whoever replaces won't neglect their position.

[unwnd]

reallyyyy confused on these claims here. vax is claiming combined neapolitan neighborizer, which would indiscriminately recruit anyone but also check them like a neapolitan would. this contrasts it from a neighborizer who would ONLY recruit VTs, which would be a simple loyal neighborizer.

...unwnd what is the exact verbatim name of your role again?

dgb you are simply "Town Rolestopper" yes?

Combined Neapolitan Neighborizer. Instead of one process happening to a target, there is two.

[unwnd]

What makes you think Insano is lying NPOM? Moreover, why you think TGP isn't scum

[unwnd]

Lol yeah, I cleared 2 people not on my team with my fakeclaim. Good one.

This was surprisingly snappy for your attitude thus far. I get how you play is how you play, but is there anything that's..annoying you? In the sense you lurkread what's going on and think we're on the wrong track.

[unwnd]

Glitch definitely gave up, and if I'm reading how he treated ABR they're clearly scum together. This goes against your result though Insano

[unwnd]

There you go all claims are out. I'm glad this game has found a pulse.

[unwnd]

Noraa I think right now you are town

Is this right?

[unwnd]

My bias is that Noraa came into the thread without an uniformed opinion if a few of the claims match up. I could elaborate on this point further if necessary

[unwnd]

I think right now the thread activity has only gone up because scum are getting nervous. If the game were so simply onto the path of victory, scum wouldn't resist. Especially if it were in it's favor. Glitch is almost 100% going to flip red and I don't see IV making a play against his partner when they're in the lead. Your PoE and reads did not read like a scum member who is trying to navigate approaching danger.

[unwnd]

Your read is preemptive but I don't think it's disingenuous

[unwnd]

Scum noraa leaves the room with a bunch of unanswered questions and exaggerated stances that she can use in order to hop on bad wagons if nobody is paying attention. I didn't see her trying to force credibility through happy bubbly personality and I don't think she's grown enough as a player yet to establish nuance

[unwnd]

She's very attuned to her emotions, but the inquisitive and curious aspect of her shines more when she's town. I think she has a hard time of faking that as scum, so she hardly gets there and make de-facto reads

[unwnd]

Unwnd locktown.

Tell me why you think this.

[unwnd]

That's not fully untrue. My question is why you felt Gamma was scum and why you were leaning that NPOM was scum. Gamma more-so, but for NPOM it seemed like kind of a situation where you thought his reasoning on you was BS. Is there more to it without ISO'ing him?

[unwnd]

Yeah I'm a replacement who came in at about D3.

[unwnd]

why you felt Gamma was scum

im also specifically said why I'm not doing this rn.

I will respect you withholding as long as something comes of it

[unwnd]

I'd have to take back the townread then

[unwnd]

Gamma is someone I very strongly scumread and if you are withholding your thoughts for oblique reasons I would have to question what the intent is.

[unwnd]

OK, I'll give you time to go through your own thoughts and leave it as that

[unwnd]

Gamma/ABR/Glitch is my permanent 3 and now I'm just figuring out the fourth.

[unwnd]

His associatives with Gamma have been slapping me in the face for about 3 ongoing days.

[unwnd]

This is good for us and narrows down our scumpool actually.

Yeah I have to agree, assuming it WAS the scumkill. Unless scum had it in their head Nero fakeclaimed VT as a PR, scum had to feel pretty damn pressured by Nero, probably pointing to his suspect pool.

Gamma why am I getting a bad feeling from you?

You were way more antagonistic to flipped town players than you are to me.

Gamma

/DGB/you/Starbuck more or less.

Gamma maybe killed Nero because they know each other well.

The others all possibly killed Nero. DGB was one of Nero's two main suspects. The other two slots were inactive and might not have even weighed in or had a say last night.

G

amma is in my POE.

If there's support there I will vote him.

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ABR had no comment when confronted about this. You'd think for someone you had in your PoE you'd be taking the reigns

But he's not

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How far have you gotten since? If at all

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Vax is free to hammer Glitch when he's ready. I imagine soon

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Yeah honestly I'll allow it. This day has run it's course

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One of you (ABR/DGB) should use some protection on me and I'll confirm whether that's true or not tonight.

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I'll be checking Noraaa most likely.

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Be around later. Got some good results

IV you first?

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Also ABR claims scum for not "bodyguarding" DGB

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I have a plan that should assure us victory

Later though

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Alright so let's assess what information we have in front of us

I checked Noraaa last night and she came up as VT. That means me, Vax, and Noraa are all town and preemptively clear. If we believe IV's results? That makes IV pretty much clear too.

That's 4 townies leaving 5 unknowns.

There are two VTs remaining, NPOM and Gamma. We know for a fact that one of them is lying. If it's 4 scum, then we stopped ourselves from going into MYLO with the numbers being 6/3. Moving on in next post

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TGP also claimed VT as well but I digress.

Anyways, Insanoflex said he saw NO GUN for TGP/ABR. This can't make sense in relation to what is in front of us. If TGP/ABR were both just town then It'd have to be Gamma/NPOM/IV? That doesn't seem very true to me at all.

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again there are SCUM ROLES that return NO GUN

I didn't even finish my thought and you're already jumping to conclusions, lol

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Yeah I had a feeling he was scum. I was literally typing up what we should do

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Did he visit DGB IV?

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Vote ABR first.

VOTE: ABR

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I lied. Vote gamma first.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

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We can afford it.

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If everything goes right it should happen. I want to lim in the VTs for my own confirmation. Insano wasn't making the kill as the roleblocker therefore I want to hit that instead.

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If the roleblocker is dead then they can't kill both me and IV, and ABR can just continue to feign bodyguard, or he has to claim he was roleblocked anyways. It's pretty much close to GG.

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Probably Insano/ABR/Gamma/Glitch if everything is correct.

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Gamma knows it's over so he isn't here pretending it isn't.

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Votecount 1.14

[Pretentious (9) -

NorwegianboyEE

,

Nero Cain

,

muh316

, Gamma Emerald, TheDuke, Tayl0r Swift,

Guillotina

,

Umlaut,

Albert B. Rampage
Non lmh (3) - NoPowerOverMe, DrippingGoofball, innocentvillager
Nero Cain (2) - Pretentious, Glitch
Tayl0r Swift (1) - May

Not voting (2) - Non lmh, TheGoldenParadox

(expired on 2020-11-29 10:00:00) remain until day end

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 to reach a majority.

Back to basics:

Wagonomics persists that there has to be scum on that Pretentious wagon.

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I believe that's hammer.

NPOM Me Noraa IV Vax

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If it's not Gamma then you have other results to lean on and we can afford this anyway like I said. I'd be shocked if there's 4 left and not 3.

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I'm really shocked they didn't roleblock IV or something. Maybe they had X-shot as well?

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I check if someone is VT and then get added to my neighborhood regardless. It's two actions on one person; You were VT.

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GG

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It's cool I pretty much had the solve and called out exact instances of the game

That's what I still play for lol

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OK, so let me tell you guys what is happening here so you understand it clear:

This is a partner afraid to compromise on his own partner. Every time he is confronted with a read on ABR, he never actually answers the question whether he is town or not. He maintains that he believes ABR is prestigious, hard to sort, yet..he says he is paranoid. Why? See, the previous statement about him being paranoid does not match with the next quote, wherein he says that he thinks ABR vs Vax is just TvT. He never absolved his paranoia of ABR and there is no substantive evidence that his opinion changed from his normal hedgey stance about him. I think Glitch

knows

that he can't fully just change his mind and is self-aware that he's been trying to insinuate ABR is this overbearing threat (but not enough to lim, mind you). I really like the last quote the most because it continues the narrative of ABR being this big scary power player, literally saying 'he's good at sorting' BUT his hammers suddenly suck. First of all: Glitch if you're reading this I'm not sure where you think ABR deserves credibility as town because by your 3135 ABR had already been on two mis-lims wagons. Second of all, you called him and Vax TvT and now you're just alright voting there?

Look at Gamma and the fact he isn't here right now and that should already be a good start.

I did an extensive dive on a few players and I'm very convinced that Gamma is just scum here. As another point, look at the way he has participated throughout the last day and previous days. His posts reads like scum who feels isolated from a town mindset, therefore he just surrounds himself in the noise in order to fit in. It's not that you need to be provcating a lim or that aggression is inherently townie, it is how you use it. I believe that even the most passive townies are driven by some sort of pursuit and has a measure to get to their reads. Gamma changes his mind based on what the thread is doing and nothing else. This is especially bad if you know Gamma. Town are not afraid to make critical positions in the thread even if someone disagrees. Gamma has just been finding him in the middle of conversations to hide, then when it seems like nobody is paying attention he justifies a poor vote onto the leading wagon repeat this for 3 days

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Vax

IV

DGB

NPOM

(Starbuck)

Insano

TGP

Gamma

ABR

Glitch

This feels right in my head.

W

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I knew something was up about Insano, I just didn't have the means to figure it out. IV with great mechanic results certainly helped but town was starting to form in my head

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I had the initial right feeling about you Insano, but you did a good job at remaining ambiguously beneficial, never saying too much but not enough

Glad we pulled this around

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That's why I was like 'let's hit Gamma' because I was certain he was just roleblocker

Turns out he wasn't

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Yeah I'm not sure what the scumdoc does?

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I could see utility with maybe just claiming regular doctor. The 1-shot Bodyguard had me puzzled. The Gunsmith claim was pretty good and made me rethink myself for a second, especially in light of TGP not really doing much.

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My spat with DGB was essential because I was leading too much on confirmation bias, and realizing the argument we had reeled me back in to see she was town. Then NPOM coming in with the activity helped too. We could've just vanity killed ABR like I was telling Vax I was gonna do due to frustration of town, but a win is a win.

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BTW

There was no gambit about my role in terms of NO RESULT, I am just fucking stupid, forgot how Neapolitan worked, etc.

In my notes I was villain laughing thinking DGB was caught, then I refocused and thought that shit was stupid. I didn't rely once on the mechanics of the game to determine who was scum though, if anything it just tripped me up sometimes.

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[quote]Glitch/Gamma/ABR/Insano

That feels right in my head[quote]

I waffled from this a bit but I was never losing this game

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Glitch/Gamma/ABR/Insano

That feels right in my head

Fixed; from my notes PT that I won't reveal cause it's rambling.

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If it wasn't Gamma/ABR which was my thought from the very moment I replaced in,

I would've retired again lol

Good stuff to IV, Vax, and even you NPOM. You came through with some really townie posts and cleared yourself of suspicion, not a bad PoE either

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Yes kudos to you as well, the claim was messy but I think it helped town