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Rawr!

did I miss RVS?

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HOW THE FUCK DID YOU ADD 30 PAGES ARE YOU FU-

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i was like

somewhat caught up

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also i'm a very sad panda

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VOTE: Iconeum
Let’s draw this dragon out of his lair a bit.

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Ok my POE is IV/Gamma/cakez/deasvail/noraa. I think 3 scum in there.

are you just

assuming i'm town here or?

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Scum ass response

Sure dude. Want to talk about why you decided to give "lack of presence" to scumread me?

this is a butthurt townie

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HARDCLAIM!!! I'M A TOWN DISLOYAL HIDER!!! I TARGETED MIDWAYBEAR LAST NIGHT!!!

do you know if your action succeeded or not?

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that is a role i could believe gypyx to be insane enough to come up

with but frankly iv is scum so

VOTE: iv

literally my first thought

but does it generate a guilty or not?

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i don't know if my hide succeeded or not. if there is a role out there that saw me going or didn't that would confirm mwb as scum or not. otherwise, no info there

ok so

why were you so eager to claim a (probably) non-utility role in the first place?

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i don't know if my hide succeeded or not. if there is a role out there that saw me going or didn't that would confirm mwb as scum or not. otherwise, no info there

this is just rolefishing isnt it

felt like it

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let's just hear from Ico today before we get too crazy please.

thanks

yeah i had maybe some stuff to share :p

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ABR is flailing he knows his buddy is going down and then Noraa and him will follow

why the omgus?

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I'm a tracker. I tracked sircakez to midway last night and I'm pretty sure he's scum.

troll post, right?

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A tracker + my role makes me think there is absolutely no way IV's role exists

ok i'm saying it at this point

there *will* be bullshit in the roles so far because reasons

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guys if im a scum tracker i just keep my mouth shut and kill sircakez tonight. this is incredibly shortsighted allegations from sircakez

compelling argument, actually

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sorry I don't believe it, it took you too long to claim.

My real role is this: Lazy Odd-Night Tracker Even-Night Motion Detector

There is no way there is a Tracker, Hider and Detective all town
ABR and/or IV are scum

i mean, i knew what I signed up for but

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Also tracker seems really boring compared to the others

trust me mine's a lot more boring

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oops did i say that out loud

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IOC's due for like ten prods by now or something

how the fuck am i due for anything

you guys fucking quickhammered day 1 during my weekend vla
and this day has started how many *hours ago?

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I KILLED ALL HIS PRS

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Ico wasnt even in the game so 9 out of the 11 players were ok w shoshin getting voted.

I did reread (most of) day 1 and i would very very very likely have voted shoshin

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ok

so what's the claims here?

ABR: monstrosity odd night tracker thing even night motion detector?
SirC: detective? what does this role do exactly?
IV: disloyal hider

did i miss any claims?

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i've got information that there's at least like 3 other pr's in this game btw

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and i don't think it mashes well with the current ones...

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god fuckin damn lmao

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how to proceed?

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i'm caught up on entire day 2

i've read large parts of day 1

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Datisi
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Gamma Emerald
VP Baltar
petapan
SirCakez
DeasVail
midwaybear
Noraa
Albert B. Rampage
innocentvillager

townreads on midway/peta/VP/ABR/ mostly from a few things they said/the way they said it and ABR's claim and how they went about this
datisi/noraa/deasvail/GE are like not on my radar after reading but i would love to interact with these slots
i didn't really like how reactionary SirC acted and IV is just… scum probably.

Shotgun reads, I need a lot more interacting with this game for proper stuff to happen and i did get distracted by the claims a lot

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noraa feels a lot less… involved/pushey then they were in the previous gypyx game
i don't recall any spectacular posts from DV nor GE I think
Datisi is a special case and i'm probably solving this later on

ABR feels so incredibly invested in the pushing of IV and SirC, I don't think scum are blowing up this much just to get a misflip in. SirC's reaction to ABR pushing and the omgus was pingy. IV just plays weird. No pun intended. Just a fact imo.

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maybe midway is a tier too high

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will want/need to jam in this game yes

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pedit: awwww i'm special

yes

also this time for game-specific reasons
maybe

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datisi do you think scum would roleblock me on N1 this game?

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there's some extra mechanical bullshit going on and i love it

there is and i absolutely hate (part of) it

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if you could compare this iv to 2175 for me i'd be grateful because obviously i was a bit biased reading him there

if there's 1 thing i learned from that game about IV is that he isn't afraid of using AtE to get out of trouble, nor to get close and dirty with their scumbuddies…

which is probably exactly what you wanted me to pick up on

yes this is coming to you live from my brain

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nothing IV is doing here tells me they are outside of their scumrange, compared to Trainwreck 2175

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midway's tone when pushed on their low presence felt like a butthurt townie as i said
peta picked up on a vibe i agree with, when IV seemed to be rolefishing
i think VP has a pleasant ISO if you read it

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where's noraa

i think she's due a prod

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if i come out with more information at this point, we are likely headed towards a full massclaim

i'm not sure that is worth it

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in the most non-rolefishy way possible: how sure are you that whatever the fuck info you have points at there having to be a liar in the claimed trio?

not sure enough to press the issue

and i'm not even taking the 'this is a Gypyx "normal"' into account

it's about how many guilties/inno's town can produce to still be balanced, but I think I overvalued the tracker/motion detector + disloyal visitor a bit too high

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i'm debating with myself if we're seriously clashing in reads or if it's just me having way too many scumreads

is this @me?

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what reads are we clashing about

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ok

if i'm to rank them, i'm more sure about town!VP then i'm about town!midway

midway was more a tonal read, VP definitely a stronger read here

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what makes you scumread them

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being uninterested in game isnt scum!indicative

shoshin was … forcing the matter anyway

lemme look up their vote on you

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ok so i quickly read midway's ISO until the datisi vote, and i'd still townbin them. there seems effort in solving, feeling around a bit. Some carefull reads.

But then he just does a 180?

@Midway, how did you go from

i was about to ask that but midway beat me to it so instead, the first townlean of the game goes to midway!!

Would scum!Datisi say this? I don't think it serves him any value as scum here.

to

Datisi's posting yesterday seemed fake.
VOTE: Datisi

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i think on the equation it's still on the townier side tbf

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the only meta i have on midway is a newbie i modded like 6? months ago and i get old meta etc etc but he was so obvtownie he got shot n1 and here i feel like i'm seeing someone desperaely trying to make anything up about the game

i don't see much desperation in their play, but there's certainly a 'not finding your feet' kind of vibe in their play
which i also townread btw

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@ABR, if you are so certain of IV scum, how are you coming to a scum!SirC conclusion. I think they've been on IV's ass for a while this game, and it doesn't look like bussing to me.

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how much games does midway have?

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@midway, estimation on how many finished games you have?

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ABR prob town

yes?

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2/3 bullet points what's making you townread vp?

you shouldn't push me on this read
just take it for what it is and we'll see how it ages

fair?

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because in the reality of this game, the sorting list/deadpool is like

IV/??

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I really disliked how quick IV was to claim, they were way to eager

and then they started fishing for other roles to help them get a guilty

it's just not coming from town imo

scum!IV makes for town!ABR AND town!SirC I think

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i've got information that there's at least like 3 other pr's in this game btw

Wdym

literally what i said

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you got a problem with that, GE?

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It sounds like you meant beyond IV/ABR/Cakez
If you mean town PR, that’s CRAZY.

unless they are lying/not full claiming, i'm certain there's several

other

power roles in this game, at least 2 conftown ones and 1 that can go either way

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If you mean town PR, that’s CRAZY.

weren't you the one in signup queueueueu who went 'what's with the quotations on "normal"'?

well now you know

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indeed

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ok i think i get what's going on and i think we go voting in the claimed trio today?

i was seriously considering voting noraa but

i'm not gonna pretend i'm capable of correctly reading noraa

if we sorting in the claimed trio, i'm not voting for ABR
and I think with the way SirC has been pushing IV, they ain't scum together. And IV is just scummier. So...

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don't make me break out the hydra

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can you voice the mush plz

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are you sure? am i reading this game wrong?

IIRC, ABR is pushing both you and SirC, while SirC is pushing mostly you with a touch of OMGUS towards ABR

no?

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im town i promise and im not fakeclaiming this is my role

you are 100% town

i seem to have missed a part, i swear i read ABR pushing you like it's the end of the world

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@ABR

-why did you believe IV claim so quickly?
-why didn't you believe the cop claim yesterday? you could have tracked the slot to find stuff out and potentially catch them day 2
-why didn't you push SirC out of the gate if you are *that* confident they are scum? There was no new information that made you do that I think? Why not believe SirC claim but do believe IV claim?

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this page gives me good 2175 nostalgia vibes

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ok IV

why should I vote SirC over you?

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what exactly makes you think you broke your own scumrange?

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midway's tone when pushed on their low presence felt like a butthurt townie as i said
peta picked up on a vibe i agree with, when IV seemed to be rolefishing
i think VP has a pleasant ISO if you read it

that is the...quaintest reason anyone has given to townread me

how does having a "pleasant ISO" equate to someone being town?

it's literally my first day in this game, my initial thoughts were asked, and i gave them.

I don't think we've played together, but my reads are mostly established from interaction rather then rereading. Other then that, they were my honest thoughts.

Also, leave my VP read alone. I'm probably right on them anyway.

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more from me tomorrow unless ya'll decide to quickplay this shit again

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Ok so I'm basically not even gonna read. Im skimming up and if there's anything actually important, it'll have to be quoted.

alternatively, i'm down to give the pr's a night to work and just flip this instead

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Lot of pages over night, and glad Ico is finally here. I think their entrance into the game was towny on the whole given willingness to share hip reads and corner themselves immediately into ~

information

~

would agree his intro is good on the whole, have some things i'd quibble with e.g. the midwaybear read but his reasoning for getting there wasn't bad. i am a little concerned about the softclaiming stuff though? b/c i have recently seen scum try to vaguely hint at pr stuff to try to get an execution through on a claimed town pr without explicitly counterclaiming

You think Ico could be softing to direct us toward the Cakez/IV/ABR stuff?

i'm apprehensive about the possibility

lol trust me, i'm not about sublety as much as i'm a storm (mostly in a glass). I outed what I did because of the numbers, mason. I'm smelling a LOT of power roles and yeah.

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Informed of 3 other prs. UH. is that a believable claim?
I haven't seen many informed prs but I remember normally the informed part is like something like "You are informed there is a [role] in the game"

Are you intentionally misrepping me or did you just misread?
For clarity: my role pm doesn't state 'you know there are at least 3 other power roles outside of the claims that will happen on D2'

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ABR ur reads are changing at like 200 mph ....
Now ur shading Dat and VP. Where is scum!Noraa?
Weren't u advocating a Noraa flash wagon tomorrow?
And now that I'm picking up heat, ur backing off and letting gamma push it?
Weird behavior that I'll need to look back on later.

ABR is smack dead in the middle of things. Why do you not want to look at it now?

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Ico's entrance was too towny for my liking. Last game I played with Ico, I SRed them even when they were basically mechanically conftown.

They dropped too many reads. Concerning.

Ico reminds me of shelly. Very scummy as town but very TOWNY as scum.

Idk. I have way too many SRs in this game so ignore me until I sort this shit out.

ok i'll play

what part of my entrance was 'too towny'?

you are saying a lot of words and none of them seem to have any kind of depth to them.

'abr sus, will look later'
'ico town, but TOO town'
etc

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Cake's push on ABR is garbage ...

Why? His push on me is unbelievably bad and he was one of the leaders in the Shoshin wagon

His push on you is bad is not a way to justify ur terrible push?
+ his push on you is better :/

case and point lol

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i hate puppies
they pee everywhere

pee isn't even the worst part, my puppy literally shat across the entire 3meter window after having eaten one of those warm-up pillows with the seeds in em

fun times

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oh this is L-uno

i'm still a good 10 pages behind cathcing up tho

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earlier today i had a thought that if cakez flips green it ~might~ point to ico being scum and i can't tell how serious that thought is because insomnia's been frying my brain for the past few days but

how about a nice dish of get that shade out of my face or come to me straight?

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hours total in this game so far

i swear it feels like a lot more

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It's funny that I think I'd actually vig ABR if I were vig.

That tracker claim wouldn't make me hesitate not even for a second.

wait what

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Noraa IIRC you said you were trying not to rush SirC flip because of their claim. But you'd end the tracker claim in a hearbeat if you were a vig? All while being on the wagon pushed by the player you wish you could vig????

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noraa jus reps out

i had so many questions for them and was about to turn up the heat

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what's the best play here?

do we give the pr's a night and potentially have an easier solve in them on D3, or do we sort in them right now while there's time?

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earlier today i had a thought that if cakez flips green it ~might~ point to ico being scum and i can't tell how serious that thought is because insomnia's been frying my brain for the past few days but

how about a nice dish of get that shade out of my face or come to me straight?

i don't think you're scum???
i'm just saying there are s e v e n potential PRs and s o m e o n e has to be lying and if cakez flips town then obviously he wasn't the one to lie?

wait how are you adding to 7?

there's 3 claims, and i'm holding on to pretty sure 3 other roles in this game

am i missing something?

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you're forgetting my ~mysterious info~

also six should already be too much

let's say 6ish

probably

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noraa slot is probably scum

but do we sort this pr mess now or later

is this a bounce back? probably

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also i know i shouldn't think like this but

if we don't sort out between the claims, and flip noraa

what do you imagine day 3 will look like

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ico, tell me again

surely scum!you doesn't get into this game, and immediately starts dropping so much ~spicy info~ for the memes right? surely?

if you want me to just claim my intel, go for it

then you can decide lol

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tho honestly, i'd prefer if you claimed first in that case

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if you wanna go paranoid mode go ahead

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i think scum!me likes to keep things simpler then outing having information about 3 power roles on top of the existing claims

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DV didn't ask for time

With noraa repping out, i'm not really stuck in this day anymore

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I heavily wanna avoid a repetition of the ABR-SirC fight today

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something something occam's, town should go for what is probable not what is possible etc etc

i don't necessarily *like* this but i think the only ways to move forward here is to (1) kill someone or (2) massclaim and i thinkkkkkkk (1) is better right now

VOTE: cakez

yeet-1

might wanna hold out on the hammer because deas said he was gonna be giving reads soon or something
i think

this entire post feels like datisi giving me hammer/wanting me to hammer

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I am confirming my reads now yeah, but I don't see it as being super important if the outcome of the day is decided anyway.

stops me from being lazy though!

go right ahead good sir

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which ones are based only on impressions, and which ones are stronger?

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you guys have no idea how many posts i've tried to write up

i just keep going in circles about what the correct play is here

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VOTE: SirC

daddy's hammer

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VOTE: SirC

daddy's hammer

dammit! I just logged on early to do this too.

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Fucking cakez man I was seriously reconsidering his flip and could have saved him

i don't have much time, weekend vla

did a quick read but this is basicly a scum claim, no?

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we are doing mass claim today

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i reconfirm having intel on 3 power (unclaimed) power roles in this game, altho it seems 1 of them is a roleblocker and not ascetic as i thought it would be

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you can discuss where you wanna place me with that in mind in the mass claim order

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i'll have time to put actual thoughts into this game on monday

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you can discuss where you wanna place me with that in mind in the mass claim order

I should probably decide the order, yes?

that is very much fine with me

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VPB knows im not gonna stand for this and is gonna 1 v 1 me today

lol

ur already dead then :p

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ha! you havent seen my case on him.

your case isn't getting past mass claim tho

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abr - claimed
iv - claimed
midway
peta
ico
vp
noraa slot vt claim?

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there is no town roleblocker.

do you think scum would block me on N1, after i had literally 0 posts on day 1?

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ok if no mass claim

then we yeeting in noraa/abr

yes?

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ABR, you've already powered thru 2 town flips

ur either town with absolutely terrible reads
or trying to power wolf

so i don't think you have much to say today

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vpb claims first then gets the yeet

he's absolutely not claiming first and i'm solidly standing in your way to yeet them

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vpb was there every step of the way dude go read his iso.

like, i'm positive i'm not the only one who will fight a VP flip here

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i'm fine sorting these power roles first

they can't all be town

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well ok then

have your 1v1 by all means

i'd be happy to reconsider if ABR actually has a case, which i doubt they do

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this is ridiculous. VPB is the scummiest slot in the game by far.

give me something concrete, outside of 'go read their iso' and 'they are scummy' and i'll consider it

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i think massclaim may actually be the way to go here

thoughts outside of ABR?

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1 shot neighborizer

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I think I made a wrong assumption and think vp may have a combo role

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Anyway, my role plus a blocker and they role that vp isclaiming

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My hood action failed

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also i'm a very sad panda

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More after vp claim

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Alright, I have a problem with your claim. Namely, Sircakes was eliminated largely based off of there being too much town power roles.

However, if you look at the claimed roles, along with the flipped roles, I don't think sircakez would have been eliminated if this info was out, and I think you played a big part in this by alluding to role information that you don't have

Detective
Motion tracjer
Hider

I'm a one shot nb
I got visited by a fn
I got blocked or Datisi was ascetic

I didn't think rb and fn were same role lol

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Also I repeatedly asked what people thought about me outing if had no problem with it

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Scum abr not wanting to massclaim makes sense

I shot for datisi

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A fn rb plus backup is super strong btw

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Iconeum knowing they were roleblocked is believable

I've continously hinted at this...

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A team like Gamma-DV-ABR makes a lot of sense, but I'm not fully locked in there.

Im not sold on town!noraa slot but this contains like two scum probably

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Ico, who do you think is the team here?

Ill be able to put zffort in tomorrow

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I'm moving and cyberpunk 2077 is coming out wednesday.

My posting will be greatly reduced.

I see that VPB has fakeclaimed.

VOTE: VPB

FOS Gamma

scum resigning? lol

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Final reads. VPB. Gamma. Deasvail. We can still win if you guys are smart.

both peta and me have confirmed VPB to be town. If you have VPB in your solve, it's exclusively with both me AND peta...

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Iconeum
Gamma Emerald
VP Baltar
petapan
DeasVail
midwaybear
Dunnstral
Albert B. Rampage
innocentvillager

this should be a fairly easy PoE i think

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VOTE: ABR

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what's the lylo plan in the event ABR flips town?

run around like headless chickens screaming at gypyx about the setup

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he is super busy, not posting elsewhere and potentially not caught up.

he literally said it was a fake claim, that implies he at least read the claim

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you can call me read on him "pocketed", "colored", "biased" all you want, because he "saved me" or at least defended me from the D2 elim. let me be clear on a few GTH reasons why i thought he was town though, outside of that:

-the claim truly was like, almost completely unnecessary, there's almost no reason to not just kill cakez at night
-the shoshin "cc" was consistent with the story, along with the tunneling cakez on role mechanics, etc, it's all very consistent with someone who is expecting a very traditional kind of setup without too many investigatives
-the role? like wtf? the only reasonable explanation is that he's the scum version of the role, but the lazy modifier seems really random, not something he'd come up with
-the blow-up at me for not joining him on Cakez does not seem like, anything he would do as scum, that definitely felt fucking real
-tone, general frustration, the "feeling bad about tunneling scum!Cakez", it just all expressed a wide range of emotions that had to be faked by scum which all seems pretty unlikely especially coming from a player who loves to be Town.

points ive heard against him:
-setup spec, sure, I don't know too much about it but gypyx setups are apparently fucking wild so whatever not confscum for me
-okay he was the driver of two townie elims but that... happens even if he is town? everyone else joined those wagons for a reason
-he's trying to deflect responsibility from the elims with the whole "omg cakez I was about to 180 on you but you gave up" rant. I don't even think that is that scummy on further reflection. It's so obvious he was the driver of the wagons. As scum it obviously looks bad if he tries to deflect responsibility away from himself, so I think the read here being scum!indicative is just... lazy

so if it's not ABR according to you, what *is* the solve?

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i think his D2 posting is like, outside of the scumrange of many players on MS so if i see something that suggests it's not outside ABR's scumrange id feel better about the ABR yeet

What are you seriously proposing here? You want to yeet someone else?

i think scumteam is just 3 out of 4 of {ico, dv, mwb, gamma} unless i see a strong case on abr.

oh ok

that implies a SHITFEST of town power you realize that right?

tracker/motion detector
detective
hider
1x nb
roleblocker + fn
a backup for the roleblocker

that's literally 6 named townies in this game, there's no way all of this power is town (even for a gypyx 'normal')
literally 2 strong investigatives, a hider that is immune from NK's if done right, my role isn't that +town but ok, a SUPER STRONG confirmeable player that is also a roleblocker THAT ALSO HAS A BACKUP?

no fucking way

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and once ABR realized his claim was about to blow up in their face, they basicly stopped playing (right before mass claim when VP and me were doing that thing)

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i think, expressing my viewpoint here is on balance helpful because no one is on ABR's side atm. if im wrong and my points are all BS then the ABR yeet will still go through. im gonna go back to playing devil's advocate in the meantime.

forgot to reiterate ABR's "giving up" lately really could just be him being busy.

and also the point about him not dying instead of datisi, well he's getting a ton of heat today, maybe scum are setting him up as the ML and messed with the RB in some weird way.

i understand the point you are making about ABR, but like
me just came out of a game where my scum partner made a really strange (yet funny) fake claim very early. I'm not saying we lost because of it, but it made massclaim something weird much like here

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The entire point of a big move like his claim is to buy a big bank of town cred and try to sail that ship to the end.

Scum knew for sure town had a roleblocker yesterday, so ABR's intent with the "I'll check IV" stuff was always to claim he was roleblocked. Then when the roleblocker claimed, he could have a 1v1 by claiming that person was a scum roleblocker.

He wasn't counting on me being a friendly neighbor as well, which is why we see the complete collapse.

This is all completely within the range of scum play for anyone who has been around the block enough times.

VP knows what's up

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I'm not going to have time to catch up. IV is right on all points. IV has 2 votes today.

Since he isn't voting anyone yet, I will:

VOTE: Gamma

VPB if town get your head outta your ass I am obviously not competent enough as scum to pull this off.

This is telling enough, no? When I called ABR out to case VP, they backed down. Now they vote gamma without the slightest hint of a case.

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dude you can't possibly think he didn't see FRIENDLY NEIGHBOR as part of the claim

He said I was fake claiming, so he saw the claim.

EXACTLY

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Idk what a friendly neighbor is, but why cant VP be a scum neighborizer?

How is it possible we have a tracker, detective, and a role that is confirmable?

It's impossible.

you know what a town does when they see a claim they don't recognize?

1)they go look it up
2)they ask in game what it does/means
3)theu assume it's a fake claim and push the slot

i'll give a hint: 1 option isn't townie

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can someone unvote so he's not at E-1 please, i just don't want scum to lolhammer because deadline and that he's a scummy slot

i get that we have 2 days, i will *try* to devote some attention here later today or tomorrow

still think we should elim in {DV, Ico, MWB, Gamma}

no

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Gamma is sure to flip scum. My emotions aren't fake, go to hell.

you have literally

posted nothing as to why gamma would be scum

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ico is probably going to say the same thing

literally the only point i'd have taken on ABR being town is 'scum don't make that kind of fake claim so early', but i've VERY recently seen that just isn't true

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ABR, why do you think gamma is scum? i skimmed their ISO recently and have them pretty like, null ish, despite having them as town before

I think Gamma is lazy scum. I think I've solved the game and midway, you, and VPB are all town.

this is the case?

Gamma is 'lazy'? I'm not sure this is a bus or gamma just isn't the partner

ABR/dunn/mdw/DV?

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tbh, assuming the lulwut is a reaction to my quote, it almost feels genuine, like scum!Gamma would never have killed Datisi over town!ABR

Thats ridiculous.

SCUM ARE PUSHING TO FINISH THIS GAME WITH TOWN LYNCHING ALL ITS PRS AND NKING VP BALTAR TONIGHT WE NEED TO BAND TOGETHER AND PUSH BACK OR WE WILL BE STEAMROLLED

YOU FUCKING SINGLEHANDEDLY PUSHED THRU THE EXE ON CAKEZ

get this scum outa here ffs

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Fuck man lets lynch DV then how tf is he not scum??????

For sure he is.

next shade on a player, with NOTHING of a case

ABR has pushed all of VP, gamma and now DV as 'obvscum' without presenting even a shred of a case outside of 'exe this now'

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Man, I think DV is scum, but I really hope I'm not getting fooled by the bigger fish. Regardless,
VOTE: DV
LET'S GO

So your solve includes ABR, who is pushing DV, so you just switch wagons to vote ALONGSIDE your ABR scumread?

lol

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these were like, my only notes on my skim. conclusion is that this could be the scumteam. im not at all sure, but it's definitely possible

now i'm paranoid we're all town and scum Noraa is skating by here

Maybe? Why can’t it be mwb or DV or something
Though I also dislike that Noraa’s activity has dropped hard. You might actually be onto something there.

'You might actually be onto something here" gross

Gamma v. Iconeum 1578-etc seems like... a potentially somewhat genuine exchange in information that is giving me a little pause
Gamma v. DV 1925 weird interaction that might not be partnery? idk

it seems none of ico, gamma, dv really cared about ABR vs. Cakez

they all just let that happen/passively supported it, and instead decided to go push scummy slot Noraa

this is like, the best thing for them: when 2 TPR are at each others throats, push a 3rd scummy looking townie, and town will be so distracted by all the wagons but oh, they're all town, wow this is great

ico "sad panda" could've been anything

gamma, dv, ico etc all kind of TR'd ABR around eod2, and i think ico/DV at least mentioned that all 3 TPRs *could* be town. suddenly they want to yeet ABR on D3 with little turnaround, little second guessing, just... yep fine with me now... oh wait don't forget about noraa-slot that we've been fake-tunnelling all game!

none of ico's claims or info is outside of scumrange for ico that knew they got blocked D1 and visited by FN

I think there's enough in my ISO to confirm me knowing I got roleblocked, and that I was sad because of it. It shouldn't be hard figuring out that my claim is real. You can argue that it's scum or town, but not the claim itself I think.
You are seriously misrepping me if you think that I pushed for 'all these 3 claims can be real', when I softed there was probably too much town power with my 'intel' in mind.

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i think most incriminating is just the general trajectory of these slots, the fact that everything just got more and more underwhelming and lazy and as we approached a worse and worse situation for town.

i think scum have a hard time giving a fuck about the phase before lylo especially when they're doing well, and that's part of what we're seeing from these slots.

underwhelming? excuse me?

you fucking wasted an entire day where you didn't even allow me to post, then my fucking nb shot on datisi (which woulda been glorious btw) doesn't go thru, i've tried my best sorting this chaos out on Day 2 and I helped guide this massclaim into something usefull. Now YOU are fighting against exe'ing OBVSCUM and MY TRAJECTORY IS BAD?????

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You did it bro, you cracked the case. I knew you were a good player I just knew it. Bravo. WE ARE TAKING BACK 2180 BITCHES!

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VOTE: DeasVail

lim-1

Theoretically, it's better to try to find a mafia roleblocker, and I'd always want to elim DV next anyway. If DV flips goon it's likely that I'm going to go for ABR again tomorrow.

ABR is going to flip scum. On top of that, there is a 99% chance they are a pr.
The solve might actually just be inside of ABR/mdw/dunn/IV here

[Iconeum]

And what do we do tomorrow when you say you got roleblocked again?

it's much much much worse then that.

he won't be roleblocked

he'll come out with a guilty, i'd bet money on that

[Iconeum]

You are so fucking full of yourself with all your arrogance and stubbornness.

YOU DONT KNOW SHIT

allignment asside, you need to chill the fuck down

[Iconeum]

DV wagon absolutely infested with scum

gamma may actually be town here

[Iconeum]

Gamma DV and Ico/peta are the scum.

case me

please

give me your best shot

[Iconeum]

Now listen very carefully Dunstral I want you to make the right choice and kill Ico. Hes the last of the 3.

oh yeah

switching to me now

so you literally went from IV to VP to gamma to DV and now onto me, as long as something sticks right?

With not a SINGLE post that contains any kind of push?

just lol

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ABR if you think i'm the solve

i literally got a message from the FRIENDLY NEIGHBOUR (you know, the CONFIRMEABLE TOWNIE) on night 1

scum killed DATISI on night 2

can you put that together? Do you see the problem?

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Lmao ABR just scumclaiming with that tone
You don’t say “we watch VPB (town leader guy) fucking die” unless you’re an evil scumlord
BYE FELICIA

this town, attempting to hammer obvscum



is a fucking parody

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DV/Gamma/Ico

All back after IV correctly identified them. Scum trying to paint me as the bad guy and agitate me and try to drive a wedge between me and VPB. Unbelievable.

Our friendship used to mean something. You used to do the right thing. And now you think I play scum like this? That's ridiculous.

what do you mean all back? You think I was laying low? lol

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ABR if you think i'm the solve

i literally got a message from the FRIENDLY NEIGHBOUR (you know, the CONFIRMEABLE TOWNIE) on night 1

scum killed DATISI on night 2

can you put that together? Do you see the problem?

@ABR

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Ok ico then you are town and scumsiding w 2 100% scum

imagine trying to get me to townread you by shading me, including me in a solve, then admitting you haven't really read me yet, and haven't presented a single case all day

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Well then ico i tell you what. If you are town and 100% set on flipping me then i wont live. Ill self hammer now.

more AtE please

[Iconeum]

in the offfffffffff chance ur town, I will probably be here to re-evaluate this shit tomorrow

but that's a 1% chance imo

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So what? Im mad because im being voted, if thats not the towniest shit youve ever seen, i invite you to look at d1 and d2 where the same thing happened.

i distinctly remember Cakez doing what you are doing now, and you SCUMREAD them for it, but you expect us to read you as obvtown for it

g
t
f
o

[Iconeum]

i wish i was a double voter

[Iconeum]

we are flipping you and winning this game all in one

amazing ain't it

[Iconeum]

this game as of right now

[Iconeum]

so literally every single claim flipped town

seems legit

[Iconeum]

detective
tracker/motion detector
fn/roleblocker
backup roleblocker

i'm a 1shot rb
iv claimed the disloyal hider thing

6 town power roles?

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my eod (preflip) reads were like

gamma/peta
IV
mdw
DV/dunnstrall (noraa slot)

[Iconeum]

if anyone has been holding anything back, now would be a good time to come forth probably

[Iconeum]

i'm a 1shot rb
iv claimed the disloyal hider thing

What, I thought you were just the neighborizor, so you're a joat.

typo

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my eod (preflip) reads were like

gamma/peta
IV
mdw
DV/dunnstrall (noraa slot)

You're making a mistake, it's not me

It's very likely DV, also probably Gamma at this point since there's an extra mafia in the poe now

so your solve rn is gamma + DV?

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VOTE: DeasVail

lim-1

Theoretically, it's better to try to find a mafia roleblocker, and I'd always want to elim DV next anyway. If DV flips goon it's likely that I'm going to go for ABR again tomorrow.

i don't think scum would be doing this to their partner on that D3 tho

so it's not Dunn + DV i think

[Iconeum]

mechanically speaking, there's stuff working in favour of IV, and against

so i'd rather just go off of dayplay

[Iconeum]

Iconeum
Gamma Emerald
petapan
DeasVail
midwaybear
Dunnstral
innocentvillager

its not outside the realm of possibilities
gamma+IV+midway

[Iconeum]

midway and IV clearing the ABR wagon as to not have the full scumteam on ABR flip?

i don't know how that wagon on DV started, scum apparently had a good option with the ABR flip so would they start a counterwagon?

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ABR started the counterwagon...

okay

[Iconeum]

ABR started the counterwagon...

okay

Obvious stuff, but it would have been much better for scum to have ABR go through as a lynch rather than me. From scum PoV I am someone that could be easily elim'd later whereas ABR had much more potential to redeem himself.

The same could honestly be said even from a PoV of you thinking I'm scum.

what does that last line mean?

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peta ur like my strongest townread this game rn

what are the odds of both Dunn and DV being town here?

what *is* your solve rn?

[Iconeum]

detective
tracker/motion detector
fn/roleblocker
backup roleblocker

i'm a 1shot rb
iv claimed the disloyal hider thing

6 town power roles?

Ico i thought you were a 1shot neighborizer....

nvm I see it was a typo

I wanna say towntell for carelessness but it could also be lolcatting so probably just NAI

i have a history of typo's, probably from both allignments

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im still very disappointed in town for being completely confbiased on ABR but whatever let’s leave thst for postgame, nothing we can do about it now

I'll talk more about this post-game, but i strongly feel ABR dropped the ball when he didn't respond to me repeatidly asking him for actual cases instead of 'look at this obvscum'

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i took a shower and my thoughts were that probably one of the remaining PR claims is fake, and there's at least 1 in midway/gamma

if you think i faked that 1-shot nb crumb and crumbed knowing about 3 other pr's, i'll take you on right here and now bruh

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Ico thoughts on my current solve?

it's really hard putting a team together with no scum flips so far, but it's hard to see outside of scum!DV here

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sorry, i should make it clear that i also disagree there is a PR claim that is lying

specifically, i know im not lying (also, i think a point in favor of me being town is that my role synergizes well with Albert's role which I could not have known basically, and my role as a scum role is just stupid), and ico's role is like, kind of whatever so dont' think it changes the setup that much (remember this is Gypyx normal, he loves these kinds of wild setups)

like i said at the beginning of the day, there's + and - for your role here

it's entirely possible it's true, and it does synergize nicely
but there is also a confirmed scum blocker type role out there, and it's unaccounted for.

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Ico thoughts on my current solve?

it's really hard putting a team together with no scum flips so far, but it's hard to see outside of scum!DV here

do you agree that if DV is scum, Dunnstral and I are almost certainly town?

i don't know why i'd agree to that

[Iconeum]

DV/dunn/gamma

gunshot 'would flip today' reads at this point

I got a townping from one of gamma's posts at the eod3, but that was fully expecting ABR flipping scum

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ico also you know that like, D2 onwards is very much not my scumgame lol, even D1 to a lesser extent

the current iteration of my scumgame is to hide in PT and not actually engage thread as much as possible

i tried expanding my scumrange in 2160 and i hated it so i gave up on that basically

the way i'm trying to approach this game rn is basicly 'who the fuck is my townblock'

every.single.townie has to allign today, or scum has to give us a hand here

me/peta
fair point about your scumrange

and like, i don't see me including DV into a town in 99% of the solves so...

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Ico thoughts on my current solve?

it's really hard putting a team together with no scum flips so far, but it's hard to see outside of scum!DV here

do you agree that if DV is scum, Dunnstral and I are almost certainly town?

i don't know why i'd agree to that

you think I hard drive up my partner when there is a real possibility of putting them at risk, potentially get called out for TMI on albert, and don't take the free ML?

you think noraa-dunnstral/dv is scum theatreing this whole time, since D1? (guess you have ptsd about theatre, lol!)

i mean

i've literally just been blown out of the fucking water by scum theatre, seeing someone absolutely DESTROY their own scumrange

don't talk to me about 'this isn't possibly scumtheater'

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but actually

ico/IV/peta/dunn as town?

it's possible
it's closer to establishing a townblock then i've ever been this game probably...

[Iconeum]

Can IV and Ico clarify what their roles are again?

I didn't realize IV was a pr, or that Ico was more than a 1-shot neighborizer

1-s neighborizer
i got blocked N1, i used it on Daddisi

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I didn't realize IV was a pr

wait what

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Ico was your 6 PR thing just outguessing-the-mod?

there were 3 claims out (ABR/IV/SirC)

I'm a 1x nb
i got blocked on N1, or my action didn't go thru at least (Original thought was that datisi was ascetic)
i got a message that VP is town on N1

3+3 = 6, but I failed to recognize that the FN was ALSO a roleblocker...