Large Normal 230 - Game Over

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: non lmh

[innocentvillager]

i think

this day should last like, as long as it needs to

there are just, way too many low-content slots that are hard to sort

even if it feels like we're just stalling the game, im willing to wait a week for the prod-replace-catchup process to happen for a few slots and just slow down this game a lot, we have 11+ RL days

[innocentvillager]

i really hate the fact that like, voting for non lmh is the best thing i can think of right now and i don't want to shift blame away from my incomptence to read these slots, but that's simply where im at, and i hope that we will be in a different state in like, a week

[innocentvillager]

Pointedly, I just don't feel like starting a thorough read/catch-up to come back to the thread locked because of a quickhammer or some shit.

UNVOTE: non lmh
we will wait for you and others, take your time and catch up

[innocentvillager]

that is not a bad case at all and i would consider returning there

but again i am hesitant to move the gamestate forward more at this point for reasons stated so i will keep this in the back of my mind

[innocentvillager]

I'm still recalibrating my reads list,

but this does feel like a game where active town have been tearing themselves apart while scum just lurk it out and do nothing.

thanks for the readslist.

can you elaborate on how you get to the above conclusion?

[innocentvillager]

nope! I don’t really care if vax slot goes or not today rn, I’m also not voting them

[innocentvillager]

i get that one kill happened per night but also assuming mafia killed Nero is just... baffling

I can’t imagine anyone caught up with the game who would do that

[innocentvillager]

im scum

[innocentvillager]

part of me just wants to know if there’s a vig or not this game... not who it is, just that there is one

it would make the Nero kill make more or less sense I think

[innocentvillager]

uh, don't scum have a much better idea of whether or not there's a vig, because they know who they killed/tried to kill

that's kind of why i want to know lol, it's information scum probably knows but town doesn't know

[innocentvillager]

im scum

ok ill vig you tonight bby

ah there's the vig! hello ABR!

[innocentvillager]

but he's the vigilante?

[innocentvillager]

i must say, i just read your iso and don't really see any reasoning from you that he's scum?

[innocentvillager]

if you have a redcheck, you must format it like this or i will not take you seriously

Spoiler:

HARDCLAIM!!! I GOT A RED CHECK!!

My vote against Pretentious was intentional! I read into his strategy as town martyr and I played along!

I knew that the game was going to be manipulated by this scum into eliminating a lurker that would provide no info! There was resistance into believing Nero Cain was mafia as he had taken control of the room with some serious power wolfing and Pretentious quickhammer stunt discredited him greatly. So I took control of his yeet and made the optimal play of fading him as his dead would provide us the most info, which is what he intended to begin with!

I can see them laughing at this "noob" while I did that!

LOLWOLVES!

(Pretentious picked up on my play and helped me sell it! I knew he did when he made references about "God of Mafia", everyone thought he was talking about himself but he was communicating with me).

HARDCLAIM!!! I'M A 2-SHOT ALIGNMENT COP WITH A BULLETPROOF VEST!!! THE BULLETPROOF VEST WAS USED LAST NIGHT AS SOMEONE TARGETED ME!

I gambled claiming an ascetic modifier counting on scum's arrogance to not NK me just because I was no PR but it didn't work as it seems.

THIS ALSO MEANS THAT THEY GOTTA BE A COUPLE OF VIGILANTES OUT THERE!

My redcheck is in this group

and I strongly believe that his partners could be in this group too

Nero Cain
Gamma Emerald
Taylor Swift slot
InnocentVillager
Umlaut
ABR (not as likely but there are a few things that don't match)

Let's hunt scum!

[innocentvillager]

if nothing interesting happens in the next couple days i will vote our vigilante for fun, how about that?

i get to decide if "nothing interesting" has happened though

[innocentvillager]

not just asking nicely

i don't mind if he asks nicely

im still waiting for stuff to happen

there are still inactive slots that i want to hear from

[innocentvillager]

town isn't necessarily lost. even morale super low is an overstatement. sure we're not in a great spot but my morale is fine, we're mostly just waiting on inactive slots to do stuff

I was really hopeful that town would be so lost they would jump on and that scum would fight it.

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: unwnd
I'll come back tomorrow after work with a case instead of just a short blurb. Its me and my wife's anniversary today and I want to spend time with her.

looking forward to it! happy anniversary

[innocentvillager]

If anyone wants to help me

Right now my established town meta on Gamma is that he is very opinionated towards his pushes, often using a lot of 'fuck' and CAPS in order to drive the point home of dislike, but other than that he remains pretty obstinate and never a factor in the thread

Does this seem wrong?

Yes it does.

Meta is rubbish and boring.

Gamma doesn't seem like a flexible player in that sense, so with him his meta is more potent

wait so is gamma town to you based on this? i think, emotional scumrange suggests gamma town for me

[innocentvillager]

starbuck is town yeah i agree

[innocentvillager]

So the intersection of the Day 1 and Day 2 elimination wagons was {Nero Cain, muh316, Gamma Emerald, Umlaut, Albert B. Rampage}. These were both pretty 'safe' wagons, and if I were scum I would likely be on one or both of them (which in fact I was, but... I'm not scum) just because they stood out as so guilty-looking that I'd be afraid it was more suspicious not to vote them. As such I think there's a pretty good chance of finding scum in this pool.

FMPOV this means looking at {muh316, Gamma Emerald, Albert B. Rampage}. Of these I'm most interested in muh, because he's been on my "maybe this guy is scum?" radar from the beginning and I think I've overlooked him in favor of more interesting targets. (Also he doesn't have six zillion posts so I can ISO him without going crazy)

this is my least favorite part of the muh case to be clear, just because scum!Umlaut would rather be on both wagons doesn't mean other scum would, I know scum who would probably rather not be on the wagons e.g. scum!innocentvillager

but sure muh is viable for the other reasons

[innocentvillager]

classic abr

[innocentvillager]

this is the first wagon i don't hate so let's see, curious about the flip

[innocentvillager]

it was obvious he was fakeclaiming because he was using MU lingo not MS lingo

his buddies would have lit him on fire for that claim further making me not think scum

i also strongly townread him all game and thought he was doing his stupid gambit thing

but whatever, he was being dumb and fakeclaimed and faked the guilty (worse of the two offenses)

[innocentvillager]

@inactive slots please try and get caught up (even if it's just skimming and coming up with a readslist) and contributing over night 2 to contribute on d3

[innocentvillager]

i wasn't like positive

but i was like 85%+ on him being town at that point

maybe it's a bad read, whatever, just because he was town doesn't make it a good read

[innocentvillager]

yeah it would be very ideal if this flipped red

given the apathy at this point in the game, wouldn't be surprised if this was green though

[innocentvillager]

i wasn't like positive

but i was like 85%+ on him being town at that point

maybe it's a bad read, whatever, just because he was town doesn't make it a good read

So by that logic you were pretty sure Nero was scum?

i thought it was likely he was scum, despite my obvtown read on Nero's dayplay

i thought it was also possible the whole thing was just a dumb gambit and he didn't have a redcheck on nero

when he finally committed to the redcheck on nero at EoD, I was briefly confused because i got there at the last second

then when he flipped tracker i was pretty sure he actually did get the guilty by tracking nero to guil himself, so I planned night thoughts around the assumption nero was scum

[innocentvillager]

yeah that slot was pretty meh

3 days of single kills is starting to make me think Nero was truly killed by scum (why???) but im still baffled as to WHY nero was killed

i think hitting lurkers is the right way to go about this, muh truly was kind of meh not even upset about that one

I feel like Glitch was kind of scummy D1 and his posting hasn't gotta much better

[innocentvillager]

i think hitting lurkers is the right way to go about this

im starting to believe the theory that scum just don't give a fuck because active town is ripping itself apart, i think insanoflex said it first but yeah

VOTE: Glitch

[innocentvillager]

the other hypothesis I guess is some like, 2/3-shot vig that shot nero n2 and is saving up their shot, or even nights vig that literally can't shoot

idk if this PR spec is anti-town in closeds sorry if it is, im still just trying to make sense of the nero kill though, feel like it can't be that anti-town though

[innocentvillager]

No voting. Just put intent.

Also, not a great vote.

why
why
why
?

[innocentvillager]

We have killed no scum. There probably 4 left? If 2 towns vote, scum kills us.

I REPEAT DO NOT VOTE.

I will maybe be posting a little bit here and there until 5 EST then Ill be back on around 9 EST tonight and were going to do big stuff.

We do have a small chance of winning this.

huh? It’s not lylo... I don’t understand

[innocentvillager]

glitch’s posting has been pretty bad D1 and we sort of just forgot about that slot, idk why

if it flips red, it could be scum motivated

[innocentvillager]

what do you want me to say lol

[innocentvillager]

I’m on and off chill lol

why are we mass claiming?

[innocentvillager]

I will try to be on around then vax we can talk more then

[innocentvillager]

why is that so surprising? He was getting increasingly obvtown

[innocentvillager]

why is that so surprising? He was getting increasingly obvtown

Umlaut could have been an easy yeet today.

what? how? he was pretty townie

is it literally just because he cased muh?

[innocentvillager]

dgb would you consider voting glitch?

[innocentvillager]

I need a claim inno.

i guess you’re town but why are we doing this and why starting with me? i feel like I’ve been one of the towniest slots in the game tbh

[innocentvillager]

Umlaut was the NK??????????????????????????????????????

Why are you so surprised?? Umlaut so bleeding town. It was unbelievably obvious.

DGB is probably the best bet imho for scum. Best pool tor today includes {DGB, IV, unwnd, ABR, NPOM}. Off the table for me are {Vax, Gamma, Starbuck} today. DGB is my preference.

okay dgb now will you vote for glitch?

[innocentvillager]

this almost reads like glitch is like offended that dgb is insulting the kill choice, lol

[innocentvillager]

I don’t get the sense that you care about solving the game. your pop ins are like “barely enough” to keep up the activity. Scum you doesn’t need to try, you’re doing pretty well. But the occasional, periodically spaced popins are robotic and have no interesting content in them

[innocentvillager]

Lynching lurkers has landed us where we are.

lol what? you mean, it wasn’t the previous two elims?

[innocentvillager]

Umlaut so bleeding town. It was unbelievably obvious.

this was, uh, very strong language

yes he was one of the towniest slots in the game, but going further than that seems remarkably tmi.

[innocentvillager]

also RL aside: hope your anniversary went well!

[innocentvillager]

dgb and unwnd probably town. More confidence in the former rn

[innocentvillager]

im not excited to play this game anymore

is it just because we’re losing? isn’t part of the fun in this game to take a losing game and turn it around?

[innocentvillager]

unwnd can you share your thoughts?

Gamma has been like... fine in my eyes but their activity dropping off a cliff lately looks meh. So I’m willing to reconsider them

still think emotional scumrange he leans town, as we discussed before briefly

[innocentvillager]

does anything about glitch seem like, townie? i feel like this is just one of those textbook scum slots. Nothing crazy sticking out. Lower activity than normal but not completely gone because team is doing well, so why replace out. Complains periodically about the game moving too fast and not being able to catch up. No interesting takes. Has been passive and in “commentary mode” all game, doesn’t really care about his solves or his pushes or have much interesting content

[innocentvillager]

There is probably nothing individually AI in there. It is simply the aggregate profile of the classic textbook scum and the kind that raises red flags the most for me. there are some scum who break this mold and admittedly they are harder to read for me. But I feel like this slot is starting to fit the mold, the more I look at it, and the more the pool dwindles down

[innocentvillager]

idk, I do get into these confbiased tunnels sometimes on this specific kind of scum. It is possible that glitch just has this style as either alignment. Nevertheless I think this is a good wagon.

[innocentvillager]

unwnd; do you find that your play and the way you have been doing it is particularly townie for you? I’m just curious, I have some paranoia about you despite it looking like you are trying to turn it around as town. Yes I’m essentially just asking you for self meta.

[innocentvillager]

why is the default assumption after hitting town lurker that the remaining lurkers are more likely to be town?? if anything, it’s the opposite, both by raw probability and by the fact that scum lhad some selection bias influence on the lurker wagon that WAS chosen

[innocentvillager]

Lynching lurkers has landed us where we are.

lol what? you mean, it wasn’t the previous two elims?

Thank goodness the non lmh wagon didn't go through, that was a lurker push. Then the on and off muh wagon flipped muh town. I think lynching lurkers just because of that is a bad policy. Now if there's an actual argument then sure, and I understand that if you're SRing me with a different reason, that's fine; but my initial point was geared at the fact that lynching lurkers just because they're lurkers is not going to help us.

yes, In response to this

I don’t like how glitch is kind of assuming that the lurkers are town. It doesn’t seem like an authentic or reasonable conclusion. It seems more narrative driven, and while he doesn’t say it or will he say it, it is almost as if implying the lurkers are more likely to be town because we were collectively (with scum influence!) wrong about ONE lurker. Thsi is not “lurkers vs active town”, this is “scum vs town”, and it doesn’t feel like glitch’s efforts are focused on the latter as much as entertaining the broad bs narrative of the former.

unwnd, id hope you of anyone can resonate with this reasoning.

[innocentvillager]

TGP slot has gotten worse all day, but at least they’re not even trying to lool town. Glitch is at least kind of trying to look town.

That said okay looking at TGP on a later day.

[innocentvillager]

I was not focusing on the game. I was giving some time for inactive slots to catch up. I was not happy about the early execution of muh yesterday, but at least we have a little bit more content to work with (not as much as i wanted). I skimmed a couple isos through the night and didn’t like glitch’s on gut. The more I talk about it the more I believe that my gut might be onto something

[innocentvillager]

wtf

I’m not just going to claim because you want me to? If you get more people on board for whatever reason or have a good reason I will claim. I don’t know why you’re asking me to claim out of the blue

[innocentvillager]

and I think it is very bizarre that you are asking for this.

[innocentvillager]

Any reason you weren't? Priorities? I won't this as a fault against you, but my town were in a bad position (and I were actually yknow, there the whole time) I'd get pretty annoyed especially if nobody was listening to me

I’m not sure I can pinpoint a single exact reason for me being part of the apathy D3, besides the ones I said

Tbh, me letting the thread breathe is probably just correlated with how much investment I put into the game, I was fairly invested D1 and even some part D2

I also wanted some more color on whether or not there was a vig that killed Nero

I’m not sure what you are specifically referring to when you say “if nobody was listening to me”, because I didn’t push any of my reads super hard

I think I like your line of questioning though and it seems genuine which makes me lean town on this interaction

[innocentvillager]

gamma, how do you feel about me townreading you on emotional scumrange? is it a reliable towntell for you?

[innocentvillager]

can you please give reasoning. At this point it’s just annoying

[innocentvillager]

singling me out for no reason is not exactly helping either

[innocentvillager]

I don’t know if it’s a bad idea. I’m not just going to do it because some guy wants me to and is not providing reasoning.

Can we at least put the idea up for discussion right now? What do people think of a massclaim? Is it too early? WHY OR WHY NOT?

[innocentvillager]

Why do you think I started with you inno?

I have some theories? Was it because I was just there and posting?

[innocentvillager]

thank u for giving more color. I want to hear from more people first - their stances, their pushes, etc. If town decides the best thing to do is to claim in a few days or so, I will claim

we are NOT rushing this day

[innocentvillager]

stances on players, their theory of the gamestate, etc, and what they think. If it gets to that point where we are in total agreement I will even claim first.

[innocentvillager]

I am a tracker

[innocentvillager]

oh oops dgb told me not to claim. Oh well

you got what you wanted vax

[innocentvillager]

im not scum here vax and I honestly don’t know why you seemingly think I’m suspicious

[innocentvillager]

You want me to hardclaim? Do I have to

[innocentvillager]

i kinda wanna wait for other people to claim

[innocentvillager]

feel like I’m obvtown at this point lol

[innocentvillager]

Did IV just forget that Guillotina was a tracker and fakeclaimed?

oh shit seriously

[innocentvillager]

HARDCLAIM!!! I GOT A RED CHECK!!

My fake play and refusal to claim at the beginning of Day 3 was intentional! I read into Vax’s strategy and I played along!

I knew that the game was going to be manipulated by this scum into eliminating a lurker that would provide no info! I pretended to not notice the scum pushing the wagon and coasting all along.

I can see them laughing at this "Not_Mafia alt" while I did that!

LOLWOLVES!

(DGB picked up on my play and helped me sell it! I knew she did when she made references about "Inno has nothing to claim", everyone thought she was talking about me but she was actually talking about me.)

HARDCLAIM!!! I'M A UNIVERSAL BACKUP TURNED TRACKER WITH A BULLETPROOF VEST!!! THE BULLETPROOF VEST WAS USED LAST NIGHT AS SOMEONE TARGETED ME WHICH OF COURSE I KNOW!

I gambled not claiming tracker at the beginning of the day to get some reactions out there from mafia but it didn't work as it seems.

Starbuck didn’t visit anyone on Night 2.

SINCE I WAS DEFINITELY TOLD I WAS HIT, THIS ALSO MEANS THAT THEY GOTTA BE A COUPLE OF VIGILANTES OUT THERE!

My redcheck is in this group

and I strongly believe that his partners could be in this group too

NPOM
Gamma Emerald
TGP
Glitch
ABR (not as likely but there are a few things that don't match)

Let's hunt scum!

[innocentvillager]

yes I did get an incriminating result tonight in that group

I don’t know for sure if I still have my BPV

My starbuck report is real

[innocentvillager]

ah yes, you weren’t here for D2, you truly missed out

[innocentvillager]

lol I’m just kidding. Glitch visited umlaut trololololo

[innocentvillager]

wait dgb you think im scum?? or that I have claimed a check on scum? Am I reading that wrong

[innocentvillager]

this is real claim lol

it was literally the perfect opportunity

[innocentvillager]

I literally don’t know how to fakeclaim in normals and I saw a couple fakeclaims that were just fucking stupid. So no this is not a fakeclaim

[innocentvillager]

Wouldve been nice to just be able to soft this one to execution but obviously not with Vax’s desire to massclaim and specific nagging at me

Because glitch was kind of scummy..? Why not

[innocentvillager]

to be clear, not blaming vax, just thought I’d start with the soft on glitch and see if it got anywhere

[innocentvillager]

vax I really hope you know what you’re doing and that you’ve thought this out lol

trust is in your hands

well my claim is out there, claim gais

[innocentvillager]

I’m fine to just elim glitch and call it a day as well

but vax seems like supremely determined and like he has a plan, feels wrong to go like 40% of the way and stop

[innocentvillager]

we also have to eliminate 4 scum in the next 5 eliminations or we lose

not loving those odds

[innocentvillager]

so I don’t hate the idea of mass claiming before ELO?

but idk. I don’t know what the massclaim strat is in closed games like normals.

pedit: yeah just assume glitch is scum and rereading stuff, probably not a bad idea

[innocentvillager]

aight I’m sleeping

have fun figuring this out

[innocentvillager]

I'm close to just dropping a nuke on this thread, I've already decided who I think is scum and the more this drags the more you tie my patience

im excited!

and i hope it's not glitch lol

[innocentvillager]

Yay +1 for a 3P win for me.

??

[innocentvillager]

also what is going on with the whole claims thing wtf

I will fully catch up at some point

unwnd you can’t posssibly think I’m scum here??

[innocentvillager]

I literally have said multiple times that this is a real claim and real results, I wouldn’t fake that with the stuff that happened lately

[innocentvillager]

unwnd sorry what was your claim?

[innocentvillager]

unwnd are you saying I’m scum? I don’t even understand the allegations/conclusions people are coming to

or are you saying dgb is scum?

[innocentvillager]

why can’t dgb be town? I’m not reallly understanding

[innocentvillager]

why isn’t this just TvT lol

[innocentvillager]

don’t see how dgb’s softing on me or whatever is stuff she couldn’t have done as town rolestopper

[innocentvillager]

looks like a lot of one shots though

[innocentvillager]

dgb has given me an obvtown vibe for the past couple days and I see no evidence that I should heavily reconsider her

[innocentvillager]

yeah my read on gamma has... deteriorated over time

still lean town but definitely would have to reread

[innocentvillager]

can we go through glitch’s iso and look for potential associations/non associations there

or is it just not that helpful because 4 scum can do anything

[innocentvillager]

I had ABR as town at one point but I think for some weird reason I thought he was the vigilante

tbh, probably wouldn’t hate an ABR yeet

[innocentvillager]

glitch/ABR/insanoflex/?

Question mark would be like, gamma or starbuck?

not crazy

[innocentvillager]

Mod pls replace my scumbuddies ive been so lonely in mafia chat.

Also could be construed as “taunting”

[innocentvillager]

can we just call unwnd/me/dgb/vax a townblock

glitch as scum

And we need to find the 3 scum in

Gamma
ABR
NPOM
Insanoflex
TGP
Starbuck

(in rough order of activity)

[innocentvillager]

i was in a clutch situation like this before where town is pressed against the edge of a rope. The best thing we can do is assume a reasonably ok townbloc, try to avoid being consumed by paranoia, and work together as a team to solve it

[innocentvillager]

I think I'd rather vote Glitch today if we're voting outside of PRs, because then at least we resolve that 1v1. the neapolitan can target VT claims and confirm or guilty them, DGB rolestops him tonight so he's guaranteed to get at least 2 checks in starbuck/nopower/gamma and that wins the game, probably.

you really think it’s that easy? 6 townies have died and we massclaim and we just get some confirmations and win it?

I can’t tell how I feel about this

[innocentvillager]

normals can have a SK. But there probably isn’t one with one death per day, I’m feeling 4 scum or 3 scum one traitor or something weird like that

Is 4 scum 1 traitor possible with all this town power? Idk

[innocentvillager]

glitch’s interactions with ABR are certainly weird. ABR expresses him in his elim pool but never votes him.

Idk if it’s necessarily partnery (definitely could be? it’s a little like, too theatrical every time he mentions him) but it is weird and worth looking into.

And if ABR scum, insanoflex is probably just scum

ABR/taylor interactions don’t look incredible either

[innocentvillager]

glitch’s interactions with ABR are certainly weird. ABR expresses him in his elim pool but never votes him.

Idk if it’s necessarily partnery (definitely could be? it’s a little like, too theatrical every time he mentions him) but it is weird and worth looking into.

And if ABR scum, insanoflex is probably just scum

ABR/taylor interactions don’t look incredible either

I'm inclined to think that the doctor claim was a joke

Scum post?

lol gamma why are we like this

I've hated this post for a very long time IV

what about it do you hate and why?

[innocentvillager]

or both are scum and decided to just take control of town and powerwolf to the win! lol

[innocentvillager]

this was on page 7 though

Can you clarify if your thought is that this is scum!taylor mocking town to scum!gamma or scum!taylor to town!gamma?

[innocentvillager]

ABR's apathy and giving up sucked so much shit

it’s also possible that it’s just fake because town might be screwed so who cares? do you think he’s town?

[innocentvillager]

Is apathy and giving up here more likely from scum or town? That's sort of the emotional tenor I expect from town players in a game they're losing.

interesting because I’m almost certainly the opposite, I get pretty intense around lylo

[innocentvillager]

lol I mean

[innocentvillager]

jesus what a great fakeclaim if it is, I was wondering what bs they were coming up with in the PT, it’s almost believeable

[innocentvillager]

scum are evil tho!

[innocentvillager]

OK, so let me tell you guys what is happening here so you understand it clear:

This is a partner afraid to compromise on his own partner. Every time he is confronted with a read on ABR, he never actually answers the question whether he is town or not. He maintains that he believes ABR is prestigious, hard to sort, yet..he says he is paranoid. Why? See, the previous statement about him being paranoid does not match with the next quote, wherein he says that he thinks ABR vs Vax is just TvT. He never absolved his paranoia of ABR and there is no substantive evidence that his opinion changed from his normal hedgey stance about him. I think Glitch

knows

that he can't fully just change his mind and is self-aware that he's been trying to insinuate ABR is this overbearing threat (but not enough to lim, mind you). I really like the last quote the most because it continues the narrative of ABR being this big scary power player, literally saying 'he's good at sorting' BUT his hammers suddenly suck. First of all: Glitch if you're reading this I'm not sure where you think ABR deserves credibility as town because by your 3135 ABR had already been on two mis-lims wagons. Second of all, you called him and Vax TvT and now you're just alright voting there?

yeah i mean, I kind of reasonate with this which is why I asking for second opinions on if ABR looks partnery with Glitch? im not as convinced as you (and I guess DGB now) are but I think there's something there yeah if you independently get this conclusion

i mean, ill tell you what I do get from it, I get that Glitch is probably scum because his read on ABR doesn't seem like a real read even in the context of what he's been saying, but I'm not sure how much more I get from that specifically

i think, ABR and Glitch are independently scummy (Glitch moreso imo) and their associations being... plausibly partnery... makes sense as a team though

[innocentvillager]

i get a weird stubborn townie vibe from NPOM. it's his constant bringing up of his speculations, mentions of his game record, wanting to be "right" or "wrong", i can't really describe it. im not sure if anyone else sees what i see but just mentioning it here

not sure if ill be able to contribute a ton today or tomorrow, busy RL and ~other games~

[innocentvillager]

Does the player get informed when its used up?

yes, sircakez will send me a message that says "haha you got shot you're on your last legs idiot" when i get shot and i didn't get that message so i still have it

pedit: jk i do not get informed but yeah there's an NK every night and there's no vig i currently still have it (assuming Glitch is fakeclaiming, which im like, pretty confident he is)

[innocentvillager]

i still think the fact that starbuck didn't go anywhere N2 is like, at least kind of town!indicative though

[innocentvillager]

im not sure if i ever mentioned this, but the logic behind that track was like, zero people were thinking about that slot in either a scummy or townie way necessarily since they were basically just hard lurking

almost every other slot was talked about

there was no flashwagon like on non lmh

seemed like the ideal UTR person to do the kill if they were scum, while probably not risking that much if they got found out since they weren't really a deepwolf

N3 i tracked glitch because they were one of the scummier slots in my PoE and we like stopped talking about him.

if glitch flips strongman however, im willing to consider

[innocentvillager]

if glitch flips strongman however, im willing to consider

im willing to consider that there's a good reason glitch does the nightkill over starbuck every night

but if glitch flips like random other role, then i think that would be town!indicative for starbuck

[innocentvillager]

reallyyyy confused on these claims here. vax is claiming combined neapolitan neighborizer, which would indiscriminately recruit anyone but also check them like a neapolitan would. this contrasts it from a neighborizer who would ONLY recruit VTs, which would be a simple loyal neighborizer.

...unwnd what is the exact verbatim name of your role again?

dgb you are simply "Town Rolestopper" yes?

[innocentvillager]

Ok so glitch is caught scum.

gun to head.

Iv/ Gamma/ Golden.

This is mostly based off what kind of scum team I think would be very messy and kinda suck at finding prs.

i was slightly offended when i saw this but i can't even complain, my scumgame is pretty horrendous

[innocentvillager]

Wait lemme get this right ...

Glitch claims he's 2 shot and he decided to only shoot on night 3.

And it just so happens that there wasn't even a double kill on night 3.


PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT
Thats lame.

this was like, one RL day AFTER i claimed tracker on him visiting umlaut.

Prior to this, he was hard townreading Umlaut well into Day 2 and Day 3, and didn't shoot Umlaut on Night 2.

He's also just a scummy active lurking slot in general.

so if THAT quote was enough information for you to eliminate Umlaut, hopefully this really seals the deal

[innocentvillager]

regardless of if I'm fakeclaiming or not, I DID know that Glitch ACTUALLY VISITED and KILLED umlaut, because even HE admitted that he did long after I claimed it on him

[innocentvillager]

Glitch was caught by me and that was he last ditch gambit to put any remote amount of doubt into anyone. He fucked right off after that, zero attempt to even defend himself despite town!him knowing his claim looks ridiculously scummy and circumstantial. I'm almost like 99% sure this is scum

[innocentvillager]

yah gamma is probably scum

[innocentvillager]

ehhh i thought gamma was scum mostly based on uh, PoE and decreased presence/solve-urgency over time

his D1 was on the townier side and i was worried about emotional scumrange stuff with Pretentious (actually, I still find it kind of towny now that I'm thinking about it? idk), so I'm still kind of wavering actually yeah

ugh this game

[innocentvillager]

Gamma/ABR/Glitch is my permanent 3 and now I'm just figuring out the fourth.

i think, one of these two is scum, im not sure if both are but maybe

[innocentvillager]

you and abr, glitch is already like 99% scum

i don't currently townread either of you but I don't think you two are that partnery? idk, im still conflicted and need to organize my thoughts, i think have too many townleans

[innocentvillager]

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[innocentvillager]

was thinking about waiting but with all these good results fuck it we're probably just gonna win

[innocentvillager]

yes

[innocentvillager]

abr/insanoflex/(gamma?)

should be an easy win

[innocentvillager]

why not kill confirmed scum first?

[innocentvillager]

scum y'all should just concede we are going abr/insano/gamma and there's nothing you can do to stop it

[innocentvillager]

ill take the credit for turning guil's role into something useful instead of something actively harmful

[innocentvillager]

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You didn't use the template!

lol i considered it but diminishing returns and i just wanted to out it cuz whatever

[innocentvillager]

Where are you Albert B. Rampage and Insanoflex??

Come here to be judged!

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[innocentvillager]

sure I tracked scummy slots with a little bit of wifoming logic thrown in there but I get too much credit, the fact of the matter is, I got lucky that I happened to get the scum who was doing the kill, whereas unwnd and Vax actively led town to the win and deduced what was going on with ABR and Gamma that i loltownbinned on D1.

good game all, glad we clutched it

[innocentvillager]

I still wanna know wtf guillotina was doing

And why Nero Cain was killed

[innocentvillager]

And why Nero Cain was killed

they thought I was a PR that legit was tracked.

right but you fakeclaimed VT and we definitely would’ve believed you the next day...??

[innocentvillager]

Poor guilty-tina. Got both ends of it between here and xenoblade.

Best after game post.

Can we have permission to use your template in future games?

im sorry guillotina, i went ahead already and didn't ask

[innocentvillager]

Guil, I just want you to know, we want to use it in good fun, but if you feel differently, I will happily abstain. Id, rather get a chance to play with you instead of using the template.

i 100% echo this sentiment and it looks like you were apologetic in dead thread, so no hard feelings there, literally one of the funniest claims ive ever seen