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this is the only one outside of setup spec I feel is scummyIn post 2232, VP Baltar wrote:and trying to blame others/claim he knew they were wrong the whole time.
If scum have a roleblocker type role (or rolestopped me) they could just mess with the investigation that way, also Datisi is very helpful and was obvtown- innocentvillager
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you are essentially confirmed town here so obviously I will follow your lead at the end of the day (LOl if the team is you, ico, peta)
My prior going into this day was the ABR was pretty townie and seeing all this heat on him seems just a little shocking to me. I might come around but for now I’m at least going to play devils advocate here
Pedit: he is apparently looking pretty suspicious rn and has heat, so maybe scum want to set up him as an ML- innocentvillager
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yeah that post was horrible and why im not longer going to defend them.In post 2272, petapan wrote:
he's literally just lolcatting calling the confirmed FN scumIn post 2270, innocentvillager wrote:fine whatever ABR can go, not gonna defend them anymore at this point- innocentvillager
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you can call me read on him "pocketed", "colored", "biased" all you want, because he "saved me" or at least defended me from the D2 elim. let me be clear on a few GTH reasons why i thought he was town though, outside of that:
-the claim truly was like, almost completely unnecessary, there's almost no reason to not just kill cakez at night
-the shoshin "cc" was consistent with the story, along with the tunneling cakez on role mechanics, etc, it's all very consistent with someone who is expecting a very traditional kind of setup without too many investigatives
-the role? like wtf? the only reasonable explanation is that he's the scum version of the role, but the lazy modifier seems really random, not something he'd come up with
-the blow-up at me for not joining him on Cakez does not seem like, anything he would do as scum, that definitely felt fucking real
-tone, general frustration, the "feeling bad about tunneling scum!Cakez", it just all expressed a wide range of emotions that had to be faked by scum which all seems pretty unlikely especially coming from a player who loves to be Town.
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-setup spec, sure, I don't know too much about it but gypyx setups are apparently fucking wild so whatever not confscum for me
-okay he was the driver of two townie elims but that... happens even if he is town? everyone else joined those wagons for a reason
-he's trying to deflect responsibility from the elims with the whole "omg cakez I was about to 180 on you but you gave up" rant. I don't even think that is that scummy on further reflection. It's so obvious he was the driver of the wagons. As scum it obviously looks bad if he tries to deflect responsibility away from himself, so I think the read here being scum!indicative is just... lazy- innocentvillager
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i think scumteam is just 3 out of 4 of {ico, dv, mwb, gamma} unless i see a strong case on abr.In post 2341, VP Baltar wrote:
What are you seriously proposing here? You want to yeet someone else?In post 2340, innocentvillager wrote:i think his D2 posting is like, outside of the scumrange of many players on MS so if i see something that suggests it's not outside ABR's scumrange id feel better about the ABR yeet- innocentvillager
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i think, expressing my viewpoint here is on balance helpful because no one is on ABR's side atm. if im wrong and my points are all BS then the ABR yeet will still go through. im gonna go back to playing devil's advocate in the meantime.
forgot to reiterate ABR's "giving up" lately really could just be him being busy.
and also the point about him not dying instead of datisi, well he's getting a ton of heat today, maybe scum are setting him up as the ML and messed with the RB in some weird way.- innocentvillager
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is this part faked Baltar and peta? i genuinely don't knowIn post 2357, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Idk what a friendly neighbor is- innocentvillager
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i don't care if im bad or good, or if im right, or im wrongIn post 2349, VP Baltar wrote:I have to believe you are trolling me at this point because you can't legit be this bad at this game
i don't care about looking dumb postgame when he flips red or a genius when he flips green
i care about winning this game- innocentvillager
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"this setup is wild" in a lot of cases, i would see as scum trying to weasel and rationalize their fakeclaim when the default assumption is a "normal setup"In post 2365, Albert B. Rampage wrote:My role is a red herring, scum have ninja.
Theres gotta be a scum counter to detective as well.
Thats about all I can say.
"this setup is wild" when the moderator has a red hand in their avi and is called Gypyx, should be the default assumption
if this is some master scum plan, it's not ABR's idea.
i also think, it's kind of indicative that no one came to ABR's defense at all today. zero. scum!ABR had ground to keep fighting here going into D3. The narrative that he just "gave up and spewed obvscum everywhere" seems too wifomy to be real.- innocentvillager
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right, but i don't think he was likely to be screwed. a few people expressed a townread on him at EOD2. also, assuming he's in a tough spot here defeats the whole premise of ABR being scum where he fakeclaimed this to get a lot of towncredIn post 2371, petapan wrote:eh like if i'm scum and i know i'm likely to be screwed, i just tell my buddies to shut up and bus, newbie 2033 i subbed into a slot that got guiltied by the tracker as soon as i repped in (replaced overnight), i was telling my buddy the whole time to bus me no matter what so he'd look better at endgame- innocentvillager
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but why is that the only move? if i can think of all these arguments to defend him when plenty of people townread him why can't scum?In post 2372, VP Baltar wrote:I had a complete trump card. I can't be beat today. The only move would be to bus if ABR is scum.- innocentvillager
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thank you! i appreciate it baltar
im serious that if i don't have anything useful go ahead and yeet abr because deadlines are horrible to dance around. even if abr is scum there's still probably remaining two scum in {DV, Ico, mwb, Gamma}, if others can help brainstorm who is scum that would be helpful- innocentvillager
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this is frustrating because i do feel like abr flips town here pretty often but i can't really do anything about it singlehandedly with this little time left, and there's no point in me being right or wrong if i can't convince anyone
gamma, peta, baltar, dv, mwb, dunnstral, doesn't seem like any of them believe abr can be town here
ico is probably going to say the same thing
like, how i imagined contributing at this point was going to essentially re-ISO {DV, MWB, Gamma, Ico} and figure out if any of them are pretty likely to be scum- innocentvillager
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In post 2400, petapan wrote:In post 1828, Albert B. Rampage wrote:im 90% sure cakez is scum and 75% sure Noraa is scum.
like this is what was going on when there was some possible shifting to nora as a counterwagon to cakez. and tbh, i dont really read into the AtE, i got snowed by it as a spectator to death curse when she got wagoned earlyIn post 1841, Albert B. Rampage wrote:guys can we just hammer cakez, we have to make a decision and end the torture for SOMEONE
this is misery
my one hard read is that DV/noraslot is never S/S, because that tension WAS real, so i think theres at least 1 scum in midway/gamma
ABR, why do you think gamma is scum? i skimmed their ISO recently and have them pretty like, null ish, despite having them as town beforeIn post 2401, petapan wrote:In post 1914, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Jesus fucking christ is cakez town, am i being trolled here.In post 1915, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Goddamit i invented the Detective role. I will feel soooo bad if im wrong about this.In post 1919, Albert B. Rampage wrote:VOTE: Cakez
Ok... this is so high stakes i dont want to be wrong
also, like, right after that...if this isn't fake, i suck at mafiaIn post 1936, Albert B. Rampage wrote:If cakez is town he will fight harder than this. Hammer away guys.- innocentvillager
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In post 2381, innocentvillager wrote:if abr is town and im scum the first person i am killing is datisi, not abr.
tbh, assuming the lulwut is a reaction to my quote, it almost feels genuine, like scum!Gamma would never have killed Datisi over town!ABRIn post 2382, Gamma Emerald wrote:lulwut- innocentvillager
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ik ik i understand thatIn post 2441, Albert B. Rampage wrote:IV you need to vote because this is stupid to play defense and offer no one as CW.- innocentvillager
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are you still convinced ABR is scum over someone like Gamma or DV?In post 2439, petapan wrote:
i don't know at the time it looked like faux indecision, the waffling over it, acting sad but ultimately still ending up voting cakezIn post 2435, innocentvillager wrote:oops, didn't mean to quote that
but because i did, @petapan i don't see why that has to be fake? idk if it necessarily reads real to me, just feels like it could be real
then he clapped back at me and i felt bad about it and i just havent wanted to think about the game- innocentvillager
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these were like, my only notes on my skim. conclusion is that this could be the scumteam. im not at all sure, but it's definitely possible
'You might actually be onto something here" grossIn post 1460, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Maybe? Why can’t it be mwb or DV or somethingIn post 1368, SirCakez wrote:now i'm paranoid we're all town and scum Noraa is skating by here
Though I also dislike that Noraa’s activity has dropped hard. You might actually be onto something there.
Gamma v. Iconeum 1578-etc seems like... a potentially somewhat genuine exchange in information that is giving me a little pause
Gamma v. DV 1925 weird interaction that might not be partnery? idk
it seems none of ico, gamma, dv really cared about ABR vs. Cakez
they all just let that happen/passively supported it, and instead decided to go push scummy slot Noraa
this is like, the best thing for them: when 2 TPR are at each others throats, push a 3rd scummy looking townie, and town will be so distracted by all the wagons but oh, they're all town, wow this is great
ico "sad panda" could've been anything
gamma, dv, ico etc all kind of TR'd ABR around eod2, and i think ico/DV at least mentioned that all 3 TPRs *could* be town. suddenly they want to yeet ABR on D3 with little turnaround, little second guessing, just... yep fine with me now... oh wait don't forget about noraa-slot that we've been fake-tunnelling all game!
none of ico's claims or info is outside of scumrange for ico that knew they got blocked D1 and visited by FN- innocentvillager
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i think most incriminating is just the general trajectory of these slots, the fact that everything just got more and more underwhelming and lazy and as we approached a worse and worse situation for town.
i think scum have a hard time giving a fuck about the phase before lylo especially when they're doing well, and that's part of what we're seeing from these slots.- innocentvillager
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where does this come from?In post 2660, petapan wrote:the one thought i had is that dv is only scum if the exact team is dv/gama/ico and i don't know if that feels like the team- innocentvillager
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i think it’s pretty hard to argue that both me and DV are scum because i was singlehandedly the reason ABR almost didn’t get flippedIn post 2652, Iconeum wrote:midway and IV clearing the ABR wagon as to not have the full scumteam on ABR flip?
i don't know how that wagon on DV started, scum apparently had a good option with the ABR flip so would they start a counterwagon?- innocentvillager
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Ico i thought you were a 1shot neighborizer....In post 2636, Iconeum wrote:detective
tracker/motion detector
fn/roleblocker
backup roleblocker
i'm a 1shot rb
iv claimed the disloyal hider thing
6 town power roles?- innocentvillager
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youve been deathtunneling this slot all game and now that everyone else has flipped town you are only now starting to think it’s more likely he’s town, not less??In post 2649, DeasVail wrote:
I'm wondering if we've both been town this whole timeIn post 2646, Dunnstral wrote:
Here's the thing...In post 2645, DeasVail wrote:I'm town
I don't think midway and peta are scum together
Which means it would be to be one of those two, plus gamma, plus iconeum
And that seems less likely to me than it being you
So yes @iconeum
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nvm I see it was a typoIn post 2664, innocentvillager wrote:
Ico i thought you were a 1shot neighborizer....In post 2636, Iconeum wrote:detective
tracker/motion detector
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i'm a 1shot rb
iv claimed the disloyal hider thing
6 town power roles?
I wanna say towntell for carelessness but it could also be lolcatting so probably just NAI- innocentvillager
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