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what! your scum game should be better than this datisiIn post 137, Datisi wrote:
because he did not show what i think town usually shows around making a vote like that - like where's the sorting when he's already keen on making srs reads? why does he seem to be fading in the background after making it? he made like, one throwaway questions post at me and that's it. it feels more like scum trying to fulfill their "solving quota" than town genuinely feeling the game if that makes senseIn post 128, skitter30 wrote:i'm not sure why you're ascribing scum motivation to it and not just viewing it as a 'town voting the first thing that pinged them outside of rvs' sort of vote
also like, i'll let you in on a little secret: i was not as sure on this read as i gave the impression of being at the time... the responses haven't been Good though imho- humaneatingmonkey
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why does this excite youIn post 130, tenebrousluminary wrote:I'm already controversial. How exciting!- humaneatingmonkey
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can you explain each slotIn post 208, Aristeia wrote:here is my way too early vibe list:
good vibes:
yeet, frogster, fire, skitter, datisi, std
neutrali:
gwu, cape90, deasvail,
badvibes:
tenebro, monkey- humaneatingmonkey
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are the reads fabricated? maybe. i just wanna learn more about you and why you thought to include the people you had in your townvibes and the people who had on your scumvibes. they seem strong enough vibes to be willing to put it out there.
why are you delaying the conversation, dont you wanna talk about your reads- humaneatingmonkey
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So Datisi makes no attempt to pressure my slot even though he admits it's scummy, and didn't attempt to parse even further when prompted by Nero. No hot takes and no solves, just unproductive questions thus far.
Ari frames her narrative that she "forced" her readslist and pretends it's the scummiest thing to notice that it's bullshit and OMGUSes me.
I don't see how these slots could be town.- humaneatingmonkey
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why is it not noob town trying to scumhunt?In post 348, Datisi wrote:*blinks*
like, this is what i mean when i say specifically looking for scum motivation in my posts. it feels like latching on to whatever i say in order to try to force a contradiction out. do i seem concerned? why wouldn't i dismiss it by saying something about it?
206 makes me like fire and dislike frogs, mostly the townread on generalwu for those posts is questionable
the second part of 207 feels like something that noob!scum says because they took a post too literally. but, i don't think it necessarily makes deasvail scum, since i think i recall someone calling him good at scum in that tm2021 game, and good scum isn't prone to such cognitive-overload mistakes- humaneatingmonkey
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based.In post 493, Nordom wrote:Content to just push on players who are getting attention thrown their way and I haven't really gotten the impression that it's a town tell of "Pressuring for information" from them.- humaneatingmonkey
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it's a bullshit readslist that pinged me and it deserves more attention. what deserves even more attention is the way she OMGUSed me when I called her out on it.In post 501, Eyes without a face wrote:
OK.. so I take it that I'm the worst player then, because while everyone is discerning reads I have no concrete feelings so far (in page 9) that I don't think I'd vote or defend anyone if my life depended on it.In post 208, Aristeia wrote:here is my way too early vibe list:
good vibes:
yeet, frogster, fire, skitter, datisi, std
neutrali:
gwu, cape90, deasvail,
badvibes:
tenebro, monkey- humaneatingmonkey
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oh yeah? how come you never elaborated and dodged the question with an OMGUS? you had the whole day.In post 505, Aristeia wrote:In post 489, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Ari frames her narrative that she "forced" her readslist and pretends it's the scummiest thing to notice that it's bullshit and OMGUSes me.
I have reasons for every read, I just found it unbelievable for you to approach me in the way you did and then "lol" threadghost when called out on it.- humaneatingmonkey
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Still no response to the question but okay. We all know it's bullshit.In post 511, Aristeia wrote:I mean that's literally what you did?- humaneatingmonkey
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Do you think the readlist was genuine at the time it was made and do you think the response when I asked her to elaborate her reads were unsuspicious? I read it as dodging questions with an OMGUS. Check that part of the thread again.In post 517, Yeet wrote:No, we don't "all" know that it's bullshit... why would you say that?- humaneatingmonkey
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Still no elaboration from you. What's up with that?In post 521, Aristeia wrote:I don't think this is an excuse to go "lol" and thread ghost- humaneatingmonkey
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no i thought you were bullshitting your readslist and i want to understand if there's a glimmer of town in there to sort your slot better. there is none, or you would have responded differently.In post 531, Aristeia wrote:This latest accusation about how I'm "omgusing" you is pretty strange since afair you never really voted me? weren't you literally just yesterday telling me you just wanted to understand my thought process?
if it's not clear, i mainly don't believe any of those reads were real. specifying which read was unproductive, because i do not believe all of it. however, it would have been nice to hear you explain them and give light on where your head at that point instead of the omgus i received.- humaneatingmonkey
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check the joke dismissal she makes after i make it clear that i'm interested in her slot, not her reads.In post 537, fireisredsir wrote:that sounds like directly engaging with your question- humaneatingmonkey
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In post 217, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
can you explain each slotIn post 208, Aristeia wrote:here is my way too early vibe list:
good vibes:
yeet, frogster, fire, skitter, datisi, std
neutrali:
gwu, cape90, deasvail,
badvibes:
tenebro, monkeyIn post 219, Aristeia wrote:
sure which one are you interested in?In post 217, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
can you explain each slotIn post 208, Aristeia wrote:here is my way too early vibe list:
good vibes:
yeet, frogster, fire, skitter, datisi, std
neutrali:
gwu, cape90, deasvail,
badvibes:
tenebro, monkeyIn post 221, humaneatingmonkey wrote:im interested in you, a person who has a readlist with minimal interaction thus far and a blatant buddy attemptIn post 222, Aristeia wrote:I read myself as town because I can see my role PM : )In post 223, Aristeia wrote:if you are going to accuse me of read fabrication you should at least have a disagreement with one of my readsIn post 224, humaneatingmonkey wrote:ah, what i mean is i'm generally more interested in your thought process.In post 225, Aristeia wrote:on which read?In post 227, humaneatingmonkey wrote:are the reads fabricated? maybe. i just wanna learn more about you and why you thought to include the people you had in your townvibes and the people who had on your scumvibes. they seem strong enough vibes to be willing to put it out there.
why are you delaying the conversation, dont you wanna talk about your readsIn post 229, Aristeia wrote:I am looking for a geniune thought process on your part
which implies you looked at my list and thought "this doesn't make sense"
the fact I've asked you twice now for which read is out of place to you and you haven't been able to respond off the cuff makes me think you're likelier to be scum here in the sense that you haven't actually evaluated my reads and compared them to yours because you have no reads.In post 231, humaneatingmonkey wrote:whatever. just talk to me about your reads.In post 232, Aristeia wrote:btw there was a gimme in the readlist in the sense that STD has only one post and i have him at townread and if you were actually inspecting the readlist - that should've jumped out to you.
Kind of a layup gimme that I gave you but I don't think you care because you didn't even notice it.
posting this as a column so people can get contextIn post 235, humaneatingmonkey wrote:lol- humaneatingmonkey
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Ari, it's clear that I'm not interested in the reads themselves whether i disagree or agree because that can happen even if you're town or scum (that i would agree or disagree). that conversation doesn't matter. what matters is that the reads came from a genuine thought process that you would give me if you answer my prompt.In post 550, Aristeia wrote:What are your reads?
What do you disagree with me on?
Do you really think this is an unreasonable conversation to have?
here, you're going back on forth on whether the readslist was genuine or not. Is it a trap? Is it real? What?- humaneatingmonkey
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this is blatant framing. there isn't an easy prescribed behavior for how town or scum should react on a bullshit readlist. a town can easy question a readslist because it's an easy thing to get reads on.In post 555, fireisredsir wrote:a town would question a readlist because they see something about it that looks off. a scum would question a readlist because they know it's early in the game and so it's an easy thing to pick on. when you questioned her on a readlist, she wanted to see what prompted you to question it (and was clearly very willing to answer your questions if you had them). you kind of slid around that, and said you were interested in her overall thought process. she gave you another chance, asking what read specifically. you didn't have an answer.- humaneatingmonkey
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Bingo.In post 561, tenebrousluminary wrote:You've now wasted far more time with this argument than it would have taken to answer.- humaneatingmonkey
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That's so malicious. You keep coming back to this argument like closing this game to live my life is the scummiest thing ever.In post 563, Aristeia wrote:except he's the one who initiated the conversation and when I turned it around on him and accused him of not having reads and pushing me in bad faith and his response was "lol" and then he disappeared from the thread.- humaneatingmonkey
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there's really no sense in having any reads early this game. i'm trying to sort you and datisi.In post 558, Aristeia wrote:do you even have reads?- humaneatingmonkey
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I'm still pressing you now.In post 575, Aristeia wrote:If you're town who believes I made up reads I think you press me there.- humaneatingmonkey
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that she felt confident enough to have reads that early and that didn't seem possible to me because nothing was alignment indicative at that point. that's why i asked her to explain her POV.In post 579, fireisredsir wrote:what about the read list made you question it? i feel like that is a simple question that is at the crux of this debate and you still haven't given an answer to it- humaneatingmonkey
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Again, so malicious.In post 580, Aristeia wrote:I feel so much pressure from someone who has no reads and decided to hide from me.- humaneatingmonkey
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another idea of talking reads out is that people can understand whether your reads are real or not and therefore get a sense of where your head at.In post 587, Aristeia wrote:the idea of talking reads out is that you have reads yourself that you want to talk about
I'm not seeing that this will be anymore productive. In the interest that you could be a proud town that doesn't like to be questioned (as opposed to scum who drags her feet and plays malicious when questioned), I'm willing to mellow this conversation into something more productive. How about we answer each other from now on and quit this pissing match? I'll ask you questions that you'll answer, and I'll answer questions that you ask.- humaneatingmonkey
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Okay nice. You don't have to do any busy work for me. Let's have a vulnerable and honest chat.In post 610, Aristeia wrote:I will talk to you about any read you want to talk about if you have your own thoughts and you disagree with me on something.
I am not here to do busy work for you.
My thoughts are: I can't imagine anyone having reads at that point of the game, and I want to understand if your slot is town or scum by asking you about your readslist. This is so that I can see if your POV is fake (scum faking their reads, because they're basically spoiled who's scum or not) or if your having a genuine thought process (town putting their thoughts out there).
Now the question isn't to give you any busy work. Please don't think that. (No no no) It's so that I can read your slot better.
Let's start at: Why do you feel that yeet, frogster, fire, skitter, datisi, std are all good vibes at #208?- humaneatingmonkey
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but why them? I'm not reading any of these slots as anything AI yet.In post 648, Nero Cain wrote:I always want alot of ppl dead- humaneatingmonkey
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because i think you're probably town, and i have no overview of this game whatsoever except for Ari is sus and Datisi isn't playing his town game.In post 651, Nero Cain wrote:Are you buddying me b/c im slightly taking your side in Ari vs. monkey? Why are you asking me around my reads- humaneatingmonkey
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what about his playstyle makes you think town and why would his bad takes influence how you read himIn post 732, fua wrote:I want to TR VPB by playstyle but his takes aren't very good.- humaneatingmonkey
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too early to tell. i believe they're slots that need attention. an early datisi wagon has the chance to be most productive. although i don't mind limming ari if she's going to be belligerent. I'd rather flip that slot.In post 686, VP Baltar wrote:
so you think ari and datisi are scum buddies here? idgiIn post 642, humaneatingmonkey wrote:why do you think ari and i are tvt? i came out of that scumreading ari.- humaneatingmonkey
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it seems scummy that she used that post to dismiss the interaction with me. i strongly believe that her purpose for voting me there wasn't to sort me or to engage me, but to dismiss the line of questioning about her reads.In post 743, Nordom wrote:I think Ari's post where they said "I got you in my trap" (they didn't literally say that, but) seemed townie.
really though, her scumread on me was based on: 1.) me asking big questions she claims is designed to get her to do busywork (is it really busywork to explain your reads) 2.) me not having any reads despite having her and datisi as FOS. 3.) me leaving and ghosting the thread (i didn't).
are these so solidly scum-indicative that it's necessary to dismiss a productive encounter? that's not town behavior for me. that's scum-avoiding exposure.
or is she the type to be stubborn because she can't take being the recipient of questions regardless of she's town?- humaneatingmonkey
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Datisi hasn't pressured me actually. Which makes me suspicious because if Datisi remembers me as the one who "ripped through town" in that one game, then he must have due cause to pressure me. Also, when prompted by Nero, he gave up assessing my meta at the mere sight of the word "daddy". I believe Datisi would have spent some proper time sorting me. Datisi is also bolder to announce his reads, however bad. He also tries to create a townblock in my experience. That doesn't happen here. His participation does not influence this game, which is pinging my bottom.- humaneatingmonkey
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maybe he's trying to play lowkey, maybe he's too preoccupied under heavy pressure, maybe he doesn't want to accidentally create a good townblock that can put this directionless game in a more focused one. there could be countless of answers, some might not be too obvious to us at the minute. But why town datisi wont is a bigger concern for me.In post 753, Aristeia wrote:Why does Scum Tisi decide to not create a townblock?- humaneatingmonkey
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why are you trying to pick a fight?In post 755, Aristeia wrote:also why do you think it's impossible for you to form reads this early but also claim datisi should be able to form a townblock this early?
are your abilities so much lower than his?
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No, but if he does claim that I'm good scum, I expect him to be more suspicious. I only had two completed games with Datisi iirc.In post 756, Aristeia wrote:Do you have a previous case of Datisi pressuring you off the bat? Is it scum!indicative for him to be interacting with people other than you?- humaneatingmonkey
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i'm confused because you're not trying to play a game with me. you're actively becoming more hostile with mentions of me being less skilled or Datisi's opinion of me being lowered.In post 766, Aristeia wrote:like why are you even pretending to be confused by my actions?- humaneatingmonkey
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do you know that i won this game?In post 757, Aristeia wrote:He lowered his opinion of your scum game based on Nero giving him a counter example.- humaneatingmonkey
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I assume Datisi is able to create a townblock because that's how i remember his playstyle in early games.In post 765, Aristeia wrote:You assume that Datisi is able to create a townblock in the first 24 hours of a large theme... which makes very little sense to me - you also previous stated you think nothing ai has actually happened and you think people shouldn't be able to form reads - this is a contradiction just on the surface.
You are imposing a standard that by your own admission is absurd upon Datisi and using it to push him.- humaneatingmonkey
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yes, because you are also trying to pretend that you're town publicly.In post 772, Aristeia wrote:You said on the last page I am trying to kill you because I am mafia.
Why are you pretending to be confused by my actions now?
In fact if your world view is that Ari!scum is trying to misyeet me - my actions on this page should make perfect sense to you no?
If you believe Ari/Datisi are scum together this would be a textbook example of chainsaw defense no?
Instead you're confused about what I'm doing?- humaneatingmonkey
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the process to get to those townreads will be obvious, he doesn't need to generate one.In post 776, Aristeia wrote:But he's also stated today that he thinks people don't have enough alignment indicative material this early in the game to create reads and that he doesn't really have reads himself.
so this is an obvious contradiction in that he expects Datisi to be creating a townblock while he himself claims he doesn't have townreads nor that enough AI material has gone on for people to create townreads.- humaneatingmonkey
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