VOTE: dats
Nice to meet all the new players i havent played with before!
Ari i need to share that i was reading a fanfic last night and a minor throwaway character had the same name as you and i realized i was mispronouncing your name all this time
What are you implying / was your initial vote serious?In post 12, Frogsterking wrote:Sounds a little far fetched!In post 10, Yeet wrote:My account name of “maozedong” was not accepted by the mods, so they told me to change the name of my account.
That's not really how games work on this forum - i.e. a mod would not delay a game for that reasonIn post 24, Frogsterking wrote:I'm not joking! I think your slot is a scum power role who is required to be present or the game risks becoming mechanically unfair to the scum team.In post 14, Yeet wrote:Ah, yeah I will have to do that at some point. I’m currently on my phone in bed but I will do that the next time I get to a computer (will probably be tomorrow evening after work).
I think i was in a newbie with generalwu but i'm not positive, i'll check laterIn post 30, Yeet wrote:You may have what, skitter30?
What? How are they depressing non-game topics and do you object to me/dats saying your entrance was +town and why is shading their slow unironically scummy (and i'm not sure they were even shading their slot either ...)In post 40, Frogsterking wrote:Yeet is talking about depressing non-game related topics and is townreading me despite doing nothing but instantly shading their slot unironically at start of game.
In post 59, fireisredsir wrote:getting people engaged in talking about thr game delay and who may be scum as a result of it is directly counterproductive to scumhunting bc it's dumb and is not going to result in anything usefulIn post 47, Frogsterking wrote:42 fireisred trying to shut down scumhunting during start of day notedIn post 42, fireisredsir wrote:VOTE: frogsterking for making the first thread of serious conversation in this game be a really dumb one
cmv
No, its me saying that nothing he's done so far has pinged me, posts like 39 i think he'd make as either alignmentIn post 73, DeasVail wrote:This feels like shutting down the scum-Datisi train of possibility without actually being interested in it.In post 67, skitter30 wrote:I'm not really sure why people are disliking dats thus far, he's been largely nai to me
In post 85, Yeet wrote:If Datisi is scum then I’m not sure what to make of skitter30’s reaction.
You bring up a good point that she doesn’t even seem interested in Datisi’s alignment or why we are all pushing. I don’t think she says that about a partner so early. The plausible world to me is that if Datisi is town then skitter30 is scum whiteknighting Datisi.
Ugh its not letting me select-and-quote the bit that i want toIn post 93, Datisi wrote:yes and no. i'm used to there being meme wagons on me early game, especially from people that don't really know me. there are different things that i expect from town/scum pushing me though, which i will elaborate on in:In post 69, DeasVail wrote:Ah, that makes sense. I still think your posting was somewhat provocative so I think it's totally expected that Yeet would be concerned by it. Was that what you expected also?
re skitt's 70 - yeet was the first to attack me, they're stubborn, and not really responding to my questioning. i find that behaviour comes from either bold-scum or town who either loves reaction testing or is REALLY sure in their page 2 reads. idk who yeet is, so i can't definitely say if they're likely to be bold as scum.
tenebro on the other hand walked in, saw that i'm getting pressure, dropped a vote on me based on weak reasoning, and left. it feels much more likely to be a scum approach, lack of boldness (don't wanna stand out) and weak reasoning (scum wants to appear how they're thinking through the game, have a nice thought process, etc)
not reading the million pedits
Yes, basicallyIn post 96, DeasVail wrote:It's probably worth noting that I expect Skitter and Datisi have probably played with each other multiple times before and so I imagine Skitter thinks themselves able to read Datisi to greater degree of accuracy than other players in this game can read Datisi, which may explain their posting re: Datisi.
Ok but it was like a p3 vote and his reasoning was fine give that we were like on p3 imo, so i'm not sure why you're ascribing scum motivation to it and not just viewing it as a 'town voting the first thing that pinged them outside of rvs' sort of voteIn post 108, Datisi wrote:/shrugIn post 103, skitter30 wrote:But r.e. tenebro - you only had the one vote from yeet at the time, and arguably frog was under more pressure from yeet just then, so i'm not sure i buy the 'scum plying votes on you to fit in and find an easy place to stick a vote' train of thought
i think votes are what speaks volume more than words and he's been consistently calling me scum, wasn't he calling frogs town? or did i make that up
Oh i got the timeline mixed up. Never mind on this bit thenIn post 111, Datisi wrote:In post 54, Yeet wrote:Frogsterking is confirmed town to me. I will not accept any vote on Frogsterking.yeah idk how you think this means frogs was under more pressure from yeet than i was @skittIn post 57, Yeet wrote:On the other hand, Datisi is most likely scum this game.
- i didnt say i believe this to be his town self, why do you think i thought that?In post 112, Yeet wrote:I don’t believe that you would say that you’re not sure why people think Datisi is scum when you know exactly how he plays and believe this to be his town self.
You are assuming that we know him implicitly there. We do not know Datisi, so why would you expect us to have the same opinion on him with your knowledge?
You would’ve simply said that Datisi’s posts are “NAI”, without the part where you’re “not sure why people dislike him”.
It doesn’t make sense, it’s not a real read, and your approach to this whole thing feels like it’s not coming from a genuine solving headspace - rather it was feeble attempt to provide content and you felt the urge to white knight him.
'I'm not sure why X' to express disagreement is a very very common phrasing convention for meIn post 131, Yeet wrote:The point was not that she suggested his posts are NAI - that is what I expect town skitter to do. And I’m sure she knew that part, regardless of what her alignment is. The point is that she started it with disbelief that he was getting pressure from players who don’t know him, knowing full well that she is using her experience with Datisi to sort him.In post 125, GeneralWu wrote:I don't think skitter is scummy for saying what she did about Datisi.
It sounds pretty normal to me. While not everyone here is completely familiar with Datisi's playstyle, I don't think it's scummy for skitter to suggest that Datisi's posts are NAI.
She saw an opportunity to make a read (fake content) that she would as town and slipped up in how she presented it.
I dont really understand any of this either ...In post 135, Frogsterking wrote:Okay so in 71 I'm saying I would often consider anyone approaching me the way you did like "hey me and this other person think you're +town" to be a scumtell and reject the read. The way you asked me just now in 52 seems so believable I'm not scumreading you for it AND still I'm too cynical of being pocketed to even give you a potential town lean for it.
I just noticed in 52 you also asked why Yeet is unironically scummy for townreading me despite my only actions being to shade Yeet. I don't know how to answer that other than that I don't think it's a very believable/common reaction from a townie for Yeet to play like that?
No, it doesnt, ans i dont think your original vote was really based on anything, and that you're now trying to justify it after the factIn post 137, Datisi wrote:it feels more like scum trying to fulfill their "solving quota" than town genuinely feeling the game if that makes sense
also like, i'll let you in on a little secret: i was not as sure on this read as i gave the impression of being at the time... the responses haven't been Good though imho
I didnt like the tenebro vore in 119
I actually forgot that i started off voting you >.>
I dont have ai thoughts on itIn post 152, DeasVail wrote:skitter, what did you think of 123? I thought it seemed a bit sassy to come from scum. The shade thrown gave me a very... relaxed impression?
Yes, apologies if i phrased things poorlyIn post 153, Yeet wrote:To be clear:
“I’m not sure why people dislike Datisi” equates to “I disagree with the reasons others have presented for disliking Datisi?”
I think you made a bad initial vote and that you're trying to justify it under pressure but cant. And i now am!In post 173, Datisi wrote:ok? does that make me scum? if no, why are we having this conversation? if yes, why aren't you voting me?
Agreed on cape, and also hate monkey's half of their interaction with u
This is fair, i was more just sharing my recent experience thay i thought might shed some light on the dynamic. Its also easily verifiable since i think there's a 5 (?) player overlap between that game and this oneIn post 245, tenebrousluminary wrote:This may be true. I don't plan to completely ignore your experience, but I also am unsure whether I want to let this sort of argument bias how I read players in this game. I think each game can have a unique shape. I am also wary of allowing experienced players to get a leg up by saying this sort of thing, given that I do not plan to fact check any such claims. Players like myself and Yeet do not have this option available. Am I doing us a disservice if I do not question such arguments?In post 200, skitter30 wrote:@tenebro that's just kinda their dynamic, and its nai, they did the same (as tvt) in the recentky concluded 'bunnies' mini normal
Still not really sure i get the scumreads on them tbh
In post 248, fua wrote:I scumread Tenebro hard based on 116 and the attempt to defuse suspicion by essentially saying it’s just a bandwagon, and thus my TR on Yeet gets stronger by association.
Maybe i'm not understanding but how is this 'trying to defuse suspicion by essentially saying its a bandwagon'In post 116, tenebrousluminary wrote:Yeet seems trustworthy and makes a good point. But I think I'll stick with my vote for now.
Maybe you meant 130In post 259, fua wrote:“I’m so popular, everyone is looking at me” is basically a degradation of the reason to actually suspect you and dismisses it as a trend rather than a veritable case.
He has good vibes. Agree with u on monkeyIn post 284, Nero Cain wrote:I don't get the town reads on Wu. I'm seeing lots of fluff posting and active lurking.
?!In post 324, fireisredsir wrote:dearest me, ive forgotten my interrobang!In post 319, Nero Cain wrote:did the rest of your post get cut off or something?In post 317, fireisredsir wrote:is that a challengeIn post 297, GeneralWu wrote:I'm not gonna get defenestrated this early anyway :O
I've played one game with him and iirc he got misflipped day1 for similar-ish behaviorIn post 328, fua wrote:I disagree. In that game Wu gets to the meat of things quicker and posts more game-related content involving his thoughts and his reads. Compare that ISO to this one and the latter looks a lot more bare in comparison. Here he makes one tentative statement on an interaction and then when he gets suspected his rebuttal is to accuse Nero of slipping by asking him how he knows how many mafia there are. Maybe it’s something something timeframe but to me these two don’t match up.In post 321, fireisredsir wrote:i like the directions that fua and nero are looking so far, but after some research wu looks exaaaactly like he did in newbie 2073 so im less interested in that for now. tene and monkey i am more on board with
In post 346, Datisi wrote:do you expect there to be some super strong case / reasoning from me on page 2-4, whatever it is? (when i'm not playing with ico, that is :shifty: ) like, A Thing from tenebro pinged me, i decided to vote him for it, both to show that i got bad pings from his slot, and to see if any interesting things happen as a result from it. i do this *checks notes* all the fucking time as both alignments. which is something that you should know, and the fact that you're giving me shit for having an "empty" vote early on is, like, not a good look.In post 200, skitter30 wrote:Pedit @dats me questioning you abt your vote. The more i ask you abt it the more i feel like there was no initial reasoning and you're trying ti back-justify it
And my issue is that you presented it as a scumread and the reasoning you gave was somewhat empty
And now you're saying it was more of a reaction vote? Why is my reaction scummy?
like, what's your idea here? that scum!me panicked, made a random vote that i had no idea how to justify because i thought i wouldn't get asked about it?? then when, surprise, did get asked about it, i only then started thinking about a justification?? like you know better than this...
A few notes:
Can u elaborate plz?In post 351, Datisi wrote:if i didn't know who monkey was, i'd scumread the shit out of that slot -but unless he has massively fallen out of shape, i'm just puzzled at his play here
Vastly prefer monkeyIn post 375, Aristeia wrote:I think we should consolidate on one of HEM/Tenebro to push pressure and advance game state rather than splitting
so which one would you like to do today dear?
Why's dats townIn post 381, Aristeia wrote:I'm leaning towards you/skitter being town/town but I'm not confident enough in my abilities to be anywhere near 100% on that read atp
Because i think you were overestimating how much of a target you were at the time, and how likely scum are to be trying to 'fit in' there by voting you, and i dont know why that universe was more likely than them being town and just not liking one of your postsIn post 445, Datisi wrote:there's a person who jumps into the game, says one throwaway line on why i'm scummy and votes me, and the latter is more likely to be scum trying to fit in and attack a popular target, but also make it seem like there was Original Thought Process behind their attack"
Ok thanks, just acknowledging that i see rhis response, i dont have much to say abt itIn post 447, Datisi wrote:i played a game where scum!monkey was really goodIn post 441, skitter30 wrote:Can u elaborate plz?In post 351, Datisi wrote:if i didn't know who monkey was, i'd scumread the shit out of that slot -but unless he has massively fallen out of shape, i'm just puzzled at his play here
so i didn't think this is scum!him shitting the game when i'm aware he knows how to play scum
but (1) that game was like 2 years ago, (2) nero gave me a counterexample (that i did not read through tbf, but i'm assuming he wouldn't lie about it) so lol
If this is a thing i'm supposed to know about your scumgame, i dontIn post 451, Datisi wrote:wait no i rember
this is like, again, ignoring the basics of how i play scum and how much i plan things through and how much i value having an explainable thought process about my posts and votes and etcIn post 446, skitter30 wrote:I'm saying that it looked like a snap-reaction to a vote on him that he has no good reasoning for, yes
so like the idea that i would snap vote someone because lol haha omgus and not have a reason read why i'm voting them and then go back later on to try to retcon it is like bonkers, and i don't believe skitter like, actually believes that's how i play lol
You called him 'probably not town' for his vote on you, which to me seems like you had a p strong read on him ...In post 456, Datisi wrote:like OBVIOUSLY this isn't super strong but it's a start. and i see no reason why not to vote there and explore that start. like do you think i'm not aware that reasoning is not very strong??
How do you look like when you're being upset?In post 469, Datisi wrote:i understand the irony of yelling "i'm not upset!!" at being accused of being upset but like
this is not how i look like when i am upset >_>
Ok, why?In post 483, GeneralWu wrote:Probably you and Yeet.
I mean tbf you made like 5 posts and werent around while dats wasIn post 489, humaneatingmonkey wrote:So Datisi makes no attempt to pressure my slot even though he admits it's scummy, and didn't attempt to parse even further when prompted by Nero. No hot takes and no solves, just unproductive questions thus far.
Ari frames her narrative that she "forced" her readslist and pretends it's the scummiest thing to notice that it's bullshit and OMGUSes me.
I don't see how these slots could be town.
Why is this the onky thing you found to comment on at this point and why do you think its unreasonable that he formed these reads given how he played the game to thay point ... ?In post 491, Eyes without a face wrote:You must be the best player that ever played this game. 10 reads on page 8? Are you serious?In post 199, Yeet wrote:I am also leaving. I was about to go to sleep when I saw the day start and got excited. I have stayed past my bedtime for this and hope I don’t regret it.
From top to bottom:
Frog
fire
DeasVail
Aristeia
Save the Dragons
everyone else
Wu, skitter, tenebro
Cavernous sea of nothing
Datisi
Just cuz of 491 or something else?
OK.. so I take it that I'm the worst player then, because while everyone is discerning reads I have no concrete feelings so far (in page 9) that I don't think I'd vote or defend anyone if my life depended on it.[/quote]In post 208, Aristeia wrote:here is my way too early vibe list:
good vibes:
yeet, frogster, fire, skitter, datisi, std
neutrali:
gwu, cape90, deasvail,
badvibes:
tenebro, monkey
And what does this mean even ... ?In post 817, Nordom wrote:Skitter has replied to 3 people that have gotten some sort of attention to them.
Shouldn't you be looking at people who haven't?
In post 570, humaneatingmonkey wrote:That's so malicious. You keep coming back to this argument like closing this game to live my life is the scummiest thing ever.In post 563, Aristeia wrote:except he's the one who initiated the conversation and when I turned it around on him and accused him of not having reads and pushing me in bad faith and his response was "lol" and then he disappeared from the thread.
I mean:In post 821, Nordom wrote:I just find it interesting that out of all the players in this game, you would choose to focus on three players who have gotten some sort of attention in this game.In post 820, skitter30 wrote:And what does this mean even ... ?In post 817, Nordom wrote:Skitter has replied to 3 people that have gotten some sort of attention to them.
Shouldn't you be looking at people who haven't?
No, this is a bad reason to townread people ...In post 577, Yeet wrote:Humaneatingmonkey is +town because I have never seen scum ask town to blanketly explain every single one of their 10+ reads off a casual readslist as their first entry into the game. I think it's easy to feel too self conscious as scum in that approach.
I think he has his own "method to his madness" so to speak (as we all do, to an extent).
How are you readinf yeet?In post 581, humaneatingmonkey wrote:that she felt confident enough to have reads that early and that didn't seem possible to me because nothing was alignment indicative at that point. that's why i asked her to explain her POV.In post 579, fireisredsir wrote:what about the read list made you question it? i feel like that is a simple question that is at the crux of this debate and you still haven't given an answer to it
Yeha this is what i was trying to say, but maybe i said it badly: scum-him can be very meticulous and planned and everything in general, but that doesnt mean an off-the-cuff vote from p3 has that same level of planning around it, as he probably didnt think it would get that much scrutiny in thr first placeIn post 590, VP Baltar wrote:I don't think that's an unreasonable argument for skitter to make fwiw. Something of that nature is much more likely to happen in pages 2-3 than it is to happen in pages 52-53.
I'm actually not liking his content through here, ehy'd you remove the vote?
Why yeet and fire?In post 641, Nero Cain wrote:I want Yeet and Fire and Scorpious and Nordom dead