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Okay, just caught up with the whole game now. There are a few standouts, but I would first like to say that I took issue with the name MaoZedong and brought it up personally with the mod. I don’t know if anyone else was similarly uncomfortable or brought it up and I know Yeet probably doesn’t have bad intentions, but it’s definitely not held up just because he wasn’t around. Especially since we literally had a period where he clearly confirmed he was around beforehand or he would have been included with the two called out.
Early thoughts are that Yeet is probably town and Frogster’s argument on him had no real basis. I scumread Tenebro hard based on 116 and the attempt to defuse suspicion by essentially saying it’s just a bandwagon, and thus my TR on Yeet gets stronger by association.
No idea what to make of Datisi or Aristeia. I don’t think the latter is right about HEM but that doesn’t mean she’s scummy. Just have no idea how to read her. I didn’t get as bad a vibe from Dats as everyone else is saying, but still.
Frogster reads like an overexcited townie jumping at whatever he can find rather than a scum trying to hit a cheap gotcha. Pretty sure at least one of his hypothetical teammates would have told him to cut out the push if he was scum.
I TR red, Cape90, Skitter, and Wu. Lighter TR/almost neutral on HEM since I think he’s just like that.- fua
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That’s basic mafia 101 though. Not worth a TR to say especially since someone else is gonna say it anyway.In post 240, Cape90 wrote:
If you all want a real reason to think that GeneralWu is town that isn't the Amine thing, I would have to suggest thisIn post 74, GeneralWu wrote:
That's a bad idea.In post 64, Yeet wrote:I also wouldn’t mind getting Datisi hammered soon.
Hammering people very early on is bad because we have less time to discuss and we're probably defenstrating a townie.- fua
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Nobody should agree with votes on them. That doesn’t mean anything. If you’re a townie then you getting miselimmed would mean two of us dying. I feel like multiple people voting you for a post should at least make you want to defend your position there instead of digging further into Datisi. It’s not dismissive of individual people so much as it is the case against you and the fact you’re being suspected.
Saying that you want to be quiet and listen (AKA ‘lurk’) doesn’t exactly put me at ease either.- fua
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So… say that? Don’t just ignore the votes and hope they go away? I don’t see how this game plan helps you or town at all.
Mmm. I’m not going to argue semantics and at best it seems like common courtesy.
In any case, you’re not going to convince me by keeping up this argument. I recommend engaging with more people and trying to hunt rather than talk about whether or not you’re being dismissive or a good listener.- fua
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Actually, as an addendum, your point that you responding to me doesn't make you dismissive doesn't make any sense, since you kind of had to respond to it by default or you were only proving my point.
And acting defensively and offensively not only go hand in hand sometimes, but are directly required in the case of a dialogue. For example, I have no idea what your opinions are on the people who are voting for you even if you yourself stated that you love being controversial. 'Your way' is almost objectively detrimental to town and completely contradictory of your prior words.- fua
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Thank you. Will be doing that from now on.In post 276, Nero Cain wrote:you wrap post tags around the post number you want to link to
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19 people.In post 307, VP Baltar wrote:Oh hello 13 pages. Is this game serious already?- fua
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I disagree. In that game Wu gets to the meat of things quicker and posts more game-related content involving his thoughts and his reads. Compare that ISO to this one and the latter looks a lot more bare in comparison. Here he makes one tentative statement on an interaction and then when he gets suspected his rebuttal is to accuse Nero of slipping by asking him how he knows how many mafia there are. Maybe it’s something something timeframe but to me these two don’t match up.In post 321, fireisredsir wrote:i like the directions that fua and nero are looking so far, but after some research wu looks exaaaactly like he did in newbie 2073 so im less interested in that for now. tene and monkey i am more on board with- fua
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No, it’s actually a perfectly reasonable thing to say. If you’re town your goal is to not be voted for. I tell you what you need to do to be less scrutinized instead of death tunneling you like you’re doing Datisi. I wouldn’t need to use kid gloves if you understood how not attempting to avoid being miselimmed negatively affects town if you are town.In post 327, tenebrousluminary wrote:
The kid gloves thing -- "I would recommend you do this (in order for me to town read you)" is a strange thing to say to a suspect. I think they had a guilty conscience about their crappy attack on me.In post 322, VP Baltar wrote:
Can you give me specifics of what you're seeing there?In post 318, tenebrousluminary wrote:Furthermore, in the bottom of 266, they treat me like they know I am town.- fua
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That was one of the things that set my alarm bells off the most. Instant red flag for me.In post 338, Nero Cain wrote:sorta felt like 130 is a sassy town reaction to being suspected
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This should also concern you, Nero.In post 340, GeneralWu wrote:
I agree.In post 338, Nero Cain wrote:sorta felt like 130 is a sassy town reaction to being suspected- fua
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That’s why I’m still on Wu and we can see what happens next. Wouldn’t be opposed to Tenebro but I think this is better for now.In post 345, Nero Cain wrote:
though if Wu is scum he could just kinda troll and cause confusion, no?In post 342, fua wrote:
This should also concern you, Nero.In post 340, GeneralWu wrote:
I agree.In post 338, Nero Cain wrote:sorta felt like 130 is a sassy town reaction to being suspected- fua
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Yeah, that’s what I’ve been saying for a while. I was referencing the fact that Frogster TRing him for that was AI.In post 365, Scorpious wrote:
Activity is NAI imo.In post 350, fua wrote:Frogster reads too much like newb town for me to bother suspecting him D1. I can see the reasoning but I don’t think scum would make/allow their teammate to make that level of blunder when it comes to handling Yeet. Townreading Wu for activity isn’t out of the question for a newbie either.- fua
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JSYK, Tenebro is likely an alt, meaning this isn’t their first game here.In post 459, MalcolmTucker wrote:Anyway, main reads so far. Wu seems incredibly suspicious so far to me and I'm surprised it took until p11 of the game for Nero to pick up on this. Basically all of their early posts were either jokes or non-comments which allowed them to appear active without getting too involved in the game and actually taking stances either way. If they come back mafia, worth looking at other players early on who had theories but didn't pick up on that.
I didn't necessarily suspect Tenebros on the basis of their early posts but found some of their later defences incredibly weak attempts to divert attention away from them without addressing accusations at-hand.
Yet seems solidly townie so far, if not would be a very bold strategy for mafia playing their first game on the site. Also appears to have a sort of absolute confidence in their reads which can often be townie, mafia maybe more likely to hedge their bets and avoid going too heavily in on someone who could later be confirmed town.- fua
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Actually it's 18. But still.In post 484, Nordom wrote:Not even 6 hours into the game and we're at twenty pages. Is this some sort of sick joke?
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Why is it suspicious?In post 479, GeneralWu wrote:Also to be serious: nero's pushing me to let things form "organicly," but that's suspicious to be honest.
I don't even think the push on you is to let things form naturally-- he was just arguing against Ari's suggestion of deciding to focus on a wagon.- fua
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How is it objectively terrible? What am I supposed to do instead? I brought new ideas to the table regarding Tenebro because he's a genuine scumread of mine. I think recent posts show that he's a little more likely to be noob town including Wu's opinion on him, so I'd like to see how you find it scummy.In post 544, VP Baltar wrote:In post 258, tenebrousluminary wrote:
I don't remember doing this. What do you mean?In post 248, fua wrote:I scumread Tenebro hard based on 116 and the attempt to defuse suspicion by essentially saying it’s just a bandwagonIn post 259, fua wrote:“I’m so popular, everyone is looking at me” is basically a degradation of the reason to actually suspect you and dismisses it as a trend rather than a veritable case.In post 260, tenebrousluminary wrote:I am not sure how you got that idea from what I wrote, but okay.
It would be difficult for me to think any case against me had merit when I know it to be wrong.
Fua looks objectively terrible in this exchange, and isn't even scumreading Tenesbro's 116 for the correct reason (which is that reads like pocketing of Yeet.)In post 261, fua wrote:Yes, but I would think you would at least go and defend your position or acknowledge the votes on you. Your playstyle so far has been very dismissive and I find that that typically comes from scum.- fua
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Not you, Einstein.In post 655, Nordom wrote:
You think if I were buddying you that I would say that shit about pressuring? Why risk agitating my meal ticket?In post 651, Nero Cain wrote:Are you buddying me b/c im slightly taking your side in Ari vs. monkey? Why are you asking me around my reads- fua
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It was literally implied in the way he went about it. Of course he didn't say it verbatim, but with the tone and manner of which it was gone about he might as well have.In post 678, VP Baltar wrote:
You accused him of saying something he didn't say in the post you referenced. He asks for an explanation, then you doubled down on it anyway when it was clear you misread the game or at the very least misstated what you were saying.In post 568, fua wrote:
How is it objectively terrible? What am I supposed to do instead? I brought new ideas to the table regarding Tenebro because he's a genuine scumread of mine. I think recent posts show that he's a little more likely to be noob town including Wu's opinion on him, so I'd like to see how you find it scummy.In post 544, VP Baltar wrote:In post 258, tenebrousluminary wrote:
I don't remember doing this. What do you mean?In post 248, fua wrote:I scumread Tenebro hard based on 116 and the attempt to defuse suspicion by essentially saying it’s just a bandwagonIn post 259, fua wrote:“I’m so popular, everyone is looking at me” is basically a degradation of the reason to actually suspect you and dismisses it as a trend rather than a veritable case.In post 260, tenebrousluminary wrote:I am not sure how you got that idea from what I wrote, but okay.
It would be difficult for me to think any case against me had merit when I know it to be wrong.
Fua looks objectively terrible in this exchange, and isn't even scumreading Tenesbro's 116 for the correct reason (which is that reads like pocketing of Yeet.)In post 261, fua wrote:Yes, but I would think you would at least go and defend your position or acknowledge the votes on you. Your playstyle so far has been very dismissive and I find that that typically comes from scum.
That's not genuine interaction. My read of it is you saw a semi-popular target and piled on with contrived reasons.- fua
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This is a good post and a philosophy I always have and always will go by.In post 687, Nordom wrote:Does scum-reading two players equate to having to team them, especially this early in the game?- fua
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I think that he is bringing new ideas to the table and approaching the situations with nuance, but also I'm inherently biased because I'm the one being suspected and I know he's wrong. I think him not mentioning where he stands on GeneralWu is a little weird considering he's been one of the most controversial out so far today and I disagree with the consensus on you because I know you're typically snappy and whatnot. That makes me TR Nero more for wanting Ari to fulfill your request and Nordom is currently a strong TR for me as well.In post 737, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
what about his playstyle makes you think town and why would his bad takes influence how you read himIn post 732, fua wrote:I want to TR VPB by playstyle but his takes aren't very good.- fua
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Also because I'm biased and your statements are generally the same as what I'm thinking.In post 741, Nordom wrote:
Why am I such a strong TR?In post 738, fua wrote:
I think that he is bringing new ideas to the table and approaching the situations with nuance, but also I'm inherently biased because I'm the one being suspected and I know he's wrong. I think him not mentioning where he stands on GeneralWu is a little weird considering he's been one of the most controversial out so far today and I disagree with the consensus on you because I know you're typically snappy and whatnot. That makes me TR Nero more for wanting Ari to fulfill your request and Nordom is currently a strong TR for me as well.In post 737, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
what about his playstyle makes you think town and why would his bad takes influence how you read himIn post 732, fua wrote:I want to TR VPB by playstyle but his takes aren't very good.- fua
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I feel like the first part is a bad-faith representation of Nordom’s play, doesn’t read into the context surrounding the message you quoted and omits the actual lines of questioning that were brought up around that time. Rudeness doesn’t equal dismissiveness and judging from early interactions I think Nordom is just snappy in general rather than that being a tell (I don’t see how rudeness is indicative of scumminess anyway).- fua
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I said I disagreed with her scumreads which I thought were wrong, went back to check if she was SRing anyone else and noticed she was voting Datisi.In post 891, VP Baltar wrote:
What made you post this?In post 862, fua wrote:Datisi night actualky be scum, though. I need to look at that slot again.- fua
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He's bringing new ideas to the table and actually seems reasonable, which is a bit of a rarity right now.
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855-877 are just very good posts in general.In post 895, VP Baltar wrote:
Which new ideas?In post 894, fua wrote:He's bringing new ideas to the table and actually seems reasonable, which is a bit of a rarity right now.
No, I've skimmed some of their posts because of the bad grammar and have generally not been paying attention to the Datisi wagon, which is why I said I need to take another look at the slot. Why does it matter?In post 896, VP Baltar wrote:
You didn't remember that skitter was going after datisi?In post 893, fua wrote:
I said I disagreed with her scumreads which I thought were wrong, went back to check if she was SRing anyone else and noticed she was voting Datisi.In post 891, VP Baltar wrote:
What made you post this?In post 862, fua wrote:Datisi night actualky be scum, though. I need to look at that slot again.- fua
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I think you should consider what’s appropriate or not appropriate when it comes to a game of mafia. Stop talking about someone else’s genitals or their sexual habits, and stop saying the L word. That’s the only time I’ll ask.In post 986, Nordom wrote:
If those particular sentences managed to offend anybody, then I think that person needs to grow a thicker skin.In post 981, tenebrousluminary wrote:In post 964, Nordom wrote:Malcom, I think you're getting too over-excited in the pants from Datisi's lazy town read on you. You gotta dig deeper.
These posts are not appropriate. Please stop.In post 965, Nordom wrote:Unless you're maf butt-buddies together then fml
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This is the first post from Tenebro I’ve actually really liked. I think he’s sitting comfortably in null right now.In post 985, tenebrousluminary wrote:
Is it just me, or has your Datisi read suddenly switched three or more times in the last 3 pages?In post 974, Nordom wrote:There's so many people I want gone today. Datisi/DeasVail/fireisredsir/maybe VP Baltar
I am seeing nuanced and complex thought processes from Datisi right now. I remain unsure about him, but in light of that and my plethora of other suspects, I would like to give him some space.
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I haven’t been keeping tabs on the case on you because I’ve been kind of tunneled and focused on a few other players to the point where I just forgot what I thought of you. You hadn’t posted in a while so other people were more prevalent.In post 1027, Datisi wrote:
i'm currently going through some isos, fua, can you answer this pls?In post 902, Datisi wrote:sup fucks, i'm back from my classes, i'm sure y'all are very happy to hear that
what made you change your mind from "i don't see what people see in datisi" or whatever the hecc it wasIn post 893, fua wrote:
I said I disagreed with her scumreads which I thought were wrong, went back to check if she was SRing anyone else and noticed she was voting Datisi.In post 891, VP Baltar wrote:
What made you post this?In post 862, fua wrote:Datisi night actualky be scum, though. I need to look at that slot again.- fua
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Town:In post 1036, VP Baltar wrote:Ok, anyhow, moving on...
Where is your head at currently with your scum reads? I have a hard time tracking who you actually want to lim.In post 1031, fua wrote:I haven’t been keeping tabs on the case on you because I’ve been kind of tunneled and focused on a few other players to the point where I just forgot what I thought of you. You hadn’t posted in a while so other people were more prevalent.
Malcolm - Reasons I've already explained. I think that he's level-headed and approaching situations with nuance, and also after going back through ISOs I agree that the case on Datisi.
Datisi - I've gone through ISOs and liked his posting a lot. I think it's a solid townie mindset and I don't see what other people see in him.
Nero - I know how Nero plays. This is probably town Nero. Handled GeneralWu well and I think he's right with that read.
Frogster - Weirdly misguided townie who seems way too overeager to catch a scum early. Could be right, but for the wrong reasons. Easy townie on my end and I can't see any associatives.
Skitter30 - I also think she is misguided town. I disagree with a chunk of her townreads and basically all of her scumreads except for maybe Eyes. I especially don't see a case on Nero at all.
STD - Has brought new ideas to the table and is putting in some effort to be visible and play the game. More of a townlean than full town, but still.
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VP Baltar - I have issues with your list, but I think your questioning lines are genuine and you are attempting to sort people.
Cape90 - Same.
Null/Not enough info:
Eyes - Barely anything in their ISO and not enough to read them off of.
Tenebro - There have been a few posts I've really liked and a few I've really hated. I've cooled off on them though and I'm not going to revote them unless something changes down the line.
HEM - I can see his play coming from scum or just apathetic town. I think he's just snappy and confrontational in general and I don't see a case on him.
Ari - Not gonna talk about this slot right now, but I can see both cases.
Nordom - Probably just an insensitive moron. No idea what to make of him and I want to see how his replacement handles things.
Scorpious - He looks scummy, but that's true of literally every game he plays. It's not worth pursuing for now and I doubt there's any valuable info we can get out of it even if he does flip scum.
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DeasVail - This is the slot I'm least sure on. I think depending on Nordom's alignment it could MAYBE go either way, but for right now I don't see how they can TR HEM with little explanation while SRing Nordom for his snappy dismissiveness. It feels a little bit inconsistent to me and like they're going with the easy route.
Fireisred - It's been pointed out that they're mostly playing the mediator and I'm inclined to agree. They've kind of been piling on to individual wagons and their three votes have just been whatever's easiest to pick out at the time. I think their callout of Tenebro was okay but I also want to see who they actually scumread throughout today.
Yeet - One of the more prominent pushers of the Datisi wagon. I think that Malcolm pointing out their inconsistency on the case on Datisi was a good thing, and going through their posts it kind of looks like they're pushing Datisi's posts into a scum mindset in a square peg round hole kind of deal. They briefly switched to skitter for not SRing Datisi like they did but switched back to him right after, so I don't really think they're actually taking new information into account.
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GeneralWu - Their ISO is a huge ball of nothing, they've got like 1-2 actual comments on the game compared to the game that Fire linked earlier where they got right down to business, and they ghosted the thread shortly after being called out by Nero and haven't posted in almost a day. My vote is staying here.
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I've played with Scorpious as both alignments including being on a scumteam with him and he's an incredibly easy miselim because he tends to be wildly wrong in his assumptions. Just because he's not playing optimally doesn't mean he's scum, but it also doesn't mean he's townie either. I feel like anyone looking at him at this point wants low hanging fruit to round out their scumreads and potentially get credit down the line if he is eliminated and happens to be scum. Neutral for me and I don't want to lim him until more things happen.In post 1045, Datisi wrote:(before you ask, the tell is that if someone is mostly lurking, and when they post they're mostly shitposting without trying to appear townie, they're more likely town. this does not apply to players like not_mafia.
it also does not necessarily apply to scorpious, because i've seen fua say he always plays like this, and i don't have the knowledge to know whether he'd play like this as scum, which is why it's only weakly town!indicative)- fua
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Hop back on Wu with me until we hear from Nord's replacement?In post 1068, Nero Cain wrote:What if Fire/Ari are scum and know Wu is town? - fua
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