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[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: Datisi

I feel jittery about this slot’s opening posts.

good vote

what gives you the jitters?

good vote? VOTE: Datisi

[humaneatingmonkey]

i'm not sure why you're ascribing scum motivation to it and not just viewing it as a 'town voting the first thing that pinged them outside of rvs' sort of vote

because he did not show what i think town usually shows around making a vote like that - like where's the sorting when he's already keen on making srs reads? why does he seem to be fading in the background after making it? he made like, one throwaway questions post at me and that's it. it feels more like scum trying to fulfill their "solving quota" than town genuinely feeling the game if that makes sense

also like, i'll let you in on a little secret: i was not as sure on this read as i gave the impression of being at the time... the responses haven't been Good though imho

what! your scum game should be better than this datisi

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm already controversial. How exciting!

why does this excite you

[humaneatingmonkey]

Dats did you roll town again ? ? : )

what makes you say

[humaneatingmonkey]

here is my way too early vibe list:

good vibes:

yeet, frogster, fire, skitter, datisi, std

neutrali:

gwu, cape90, deasvail,

badvibes:

tenebro, monkey

can you explain each slot

[humaneatingmonkey]

im interested in you, a person who has a readlist with minimal interaction thus far and a blatant buddy attempt

[humaneatingmonkey]

ah, what i mean is i'm generally more interested in your thought process.

[humaneatingmonkey]

are the reads fabricated? maybe. i just wanna learn more about you and why you thought to include the people you had in your townvibes and the people who had on your scumvibes. they seem strong enough vibes to be willing to put it out there.

why are you delaying the conversation, dont you wanna talk about your reads

[humaneatingmonkey]

whatever. just talk to me about your reads.

[humaneatingmonkey]

lol

[humaneatingmonkey]

So Datisi makes no attempt to pressure my slot even though he admits it's scummy, and didn't attempt to parse even further when prompted by Nero. No hot takes and no solves, just unproductive questions thus far.
Ari frames her narrative that she "forced" her readslist and pretends it's the scummiest thing to notice that it's bullshit and OMGUSes me.

I don't see how these slots could be town.

[humaneatingmonkey]

*blinks*

like, this is what i mean when i say specifically looking for scum motivation in my posts. it feels like latching on to whatever i say in order to try to force a contradiction out. do i seem concerned? why wouldn't i dismiss it by saying something about it?

206 makes me like fire and dislike frogs, mostly the townread on generalwu for those posts is questionable

the second part of 207 feels like something that noob!scum says because they took a post too literally. but, i don't think it necessarily makes deasvail scum, since i think i recall someone calling him good at scum in that tm2021 game, and good scum isn't prone to such cognitive-overload mistakes

why is it not noob town trying to scumhunt?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Content to just push on players who are getting attention thrown their way and I haven't really gotten the impression that it's a town tell of "Pressuring for information" from them.

based.

[humaneatingmonkey]

here is my way too early vibe list:

good vibes:

yeet, frogster, fire, skitter, datisi, std

neutrali:

gwu, cape90, deasvail,

badvibes:

tenebro, monkey

OK.. so I take it that I'm the worst player then, because while everyone is discerning reads I have no concrete feelings so far (in page 9) that I don't think I'd vote or defend anyone if my life depended on it.

it's a bullshit readslist that pinged me and it deserves more attention. what deserves even more attention is the way she OMGUSed me when I called her out on it.

[humaneatingmonkey]

even the "absence" and "ghosting" that she claims i did was another one of those accusations you make as scum because you have nothing else as ammo.

dude, it's been barely a day.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Ari frames her narrative that she "forced" her readslist and pretends it's the scummiest thing to notice that it's bullshit and OMGUSes me.

I have reasons for every read, I just found it unbelievable for you to approach me in the way you did and then "lol" threadghost when called out on it.

oh yeah? how come you never elaborated and dodged the question with an OMGUS? you had the whole day.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I mean that's literally what you did?

Still no response to the question but okay. We all know it's bullshit.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I live in GMT +8 and I have a day job. I can only play mafia in certain hours. What's your excuse? You literally were here the whole day to respond.

[humaneatingmonkey]

No, we don't "all" know that it's bullshit... why would you say that?

Do you think the readlist was genuine at the time it was made and do you think the response when I asked her to elaborate her reads were unsuspicious? I read it as dodging questions with an OMGUS. Check that part of the thread again.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I don't think this is an excuse to go "lol" and thread ghost

Still no elaboration from you. What's up with that?

[humaneatingmonkey]

This latest accusation about how I'm "omgusing" you is pretty strange since afair you never really voted me? weren't you literally just yesterday telling me you just wanted to understand my thought process?

no i thought you were bullshitting your readslist and i want to understand if there's a glimmer of town in there to sort your slot better. there is none, or you would have responded differently.

if it's not clear, i mainly don't believe any of those reads were real. specifying which read was unproductive, because i do not believe all of it. however, it would have been nice to hear you explain them and give light on where your head at that point instead of the omgus i received.

[humaneatingmonkey]

that sounds like directly engaging with your question

check the joke dismissal she makes after i make it clear that i'm interested in her slot, not her reads.

[humaneatingmonkey]

here is my way too early vibe list:

good vibes:

yeet, frogster, fire, skitter, datisi, std

neutrali:

gwu, cape90, deasvail,

badvibes:

tenebro, monkey

can you explain each slot

here is my way too early vibe list:

good vibes:

yeet, frogster, fire, skitter, datisi, std

neutrali:

gwu, cape90, deasvail,

badvibes:

tenebro, monkey

can you explain each slot

sure which one are you interested in?

im interested in you, a person who has a readlist with minimal interaction thus far and a blatant buddy attempt

I read myself as town because I can see my role PM : )

if you are going to accuse me of read fabrication you should at least have a disagreement with one of my reads

ah, what i mean is i'm generally more interested in your thought process.

on which read?

are the reads fabricated? maybe. i just wanna learn more about you and why you thought to include the people you had in your townvibes and the people who had on your scumvibes. they seem strong enough vibes to be willing to put it out there.

why are you delaying the conversation, dont you wanna talk about your reads

I am looking for a geniune thought process on your part

which implies you looked at my list and thought "this doesn't make sense"

the fact I've asked you twice now for which read is out of place to you and you haven't been able to respond off the cuff makes me think you're likelier to be scum here in the sense that you haven't actually evaluated my reads and compared them to yours because you have no reads.

whatever. just talk to me about your reads.

btw there was a gimme in the readlist in the sense that STD has only one post and i have him at townread and if you were actually inspecting the readlist - that should've jumped out to you.

Kind of a layup gimme that I gave you but I don't think you care because you didn't even notice it.

so thanks for stepping on that trap : )

VOTE: monkey

lol

posting this as a column so people can get context

[humaneatingmonkey]

not ruling out the possibility that we are having a miscommunication, but you can see how i think you're trying to drag your feet across the mud when prompted.

[humaneatingmonkey]

What are your reads?

What do you disagree with me on?

Do you really think this is an unreasonable conversation to have?

Ari, it's clear that I'm not interested in the reads themselves whether i disagree or agree because that can happen even if you're town or scum (that i would agree or disagree). that conversation doesn't matter. what matters is that the reads came from a genuine thought process that you would give me if you answer my prompt.

here, you're going back on forth on whether the readslist was genuine or not. Is it a trap? Is it real? What?

[humaneatingmonkey]

a town would question a readlist because they see something about it that looks off. a scum would question a readlist because they know it's early in the game and so it's an easy thing to pick on. when you questioned her on a readlist, she wanted to see what prompted you to question it (and was clearly very willing to answer your questions if you had them). you kind of slid around that, and said you were interested in her overall thought process. she gave you another chance, asking what read specifically. you didn't have an answer.

this is blatant framing. there isn't an easy prescribed behavior for how town or scum should react on a bullshit readlist. a town can easy question a readslist because it's an easy thing to get reads on.

[humaneatingmonkey]

You've now wasted far more time with this argument than it would have taken to answer.

Bingo.

[humaneatingmonkey]

except he's the one who initiated the conversation and when I turned it around on him and accused him of not having reads and pushing me in bad faith and his response was "lol" and then he disappeared from the thread.

That's so malicious. You keep coming back to this argument like closing this game to live my life is the scummiest thing ever.

[humaneatingmonkey]

do you even have reads?

there's really no sense in having any reads early this game. i'm trying to sort you and datisi.

[humaneatingmonkey]

If you're town who believes I made up reads I think you press me there.

I'm still pressing you now.

[humaneatingmonkey]

what about the read list made you question it? i feel like that is a simple question that is at the crux of this debate and you still haven't given an answer to it

that she felt confident enough to have reads that early and that didn't seem possible to me because nothing was alignment indicative at that point. that's why i asked her to explain her POV.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I feel so much pressure from someone who has no reads and decided to hide from me.

Again, so malicious.

[humaneatingmonkey]

the idea of talking reads out is that you have reads yourself that you want to talk about

another idea of talking reads out is that people can understand whether your reads are real or not and therefore get a sense of where your head at.

I'm not seeing that this will be anymore productive. In the interest that you could be a proud town that doesn't like to be questioned (as opposed to scum who drags her feet and plays malicious when questioned), I'm willing to mellow this conversation into something more productive. How about we answer each other from now on and quit this pissing match? I'll ask you questions that you'll answer, and I'll answer questions that you ask.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I will talk to you about any read you want to talk about if you have your own thoughts and you disagree with me on something.

I am not here to do busy work for you.

Okay nice. You don't have to do any busy work for me. Let's have a vulnerable and honest chat.

My thoughts are: I can't imagine anyone having reads at that point of the game, and I want to understand if your slot is town or scum by asking you about your readslist. This is so that I can see if your POV is fake (scum faking their reads, because they're basically spoiled who's scum or not) or if your having a genuine thought process (town putting their thoughts out there).

Now the question isn't to give you any busy work. Please don't think that. (No no no) It's so that I can read your slot better.

Let's start at: Why do you feel that yeet, frogster, fire, skitter, datisi, std are all good vibes at #208?

[humaneatingmonkey]

jesus christ

[humaneatingmonkey]

Nero is town. He doesn't call Ari unreasonable here. He uses Ari to nail me down.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Nero where are you at at this point? Are you scumreading Datisi too?

[humaneatingmonkey]

why do you think ari and i are tvt? i came out of that scumreading ari.

[humaneatingmonkey]

that's a lot of people you want dead. why?

[humaneatingmonkey]

where are you on datisi

[humaneatingmonkey]

I always want alot of ppl dead

but why them? I'm not reading any of these slots as anything AI yet.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Datisi hit me up when you're here

bye

[humaneatingmonkey]

Are you buddying me b/c im slightly taking your side in Ari vs. monkey? Why are you asking me around my reads

because i think you're probably town, and i have no overview of this game whatsoever except for Ari is sus and Datisi isn't playing his town game.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I want to TR VPB by playstyle but his takes aren't very good.

what about his playstyle makes you think town and why would his bad takes influence how you read him

[humaneatingmonkey]

why do you think ari and i are tvt? i came out of that scumreading ari.

so you think ari and datisi are scum buddies here? idgi

too early to tell. i believe they're slots that need attention. an early datisi wagon has the chance to be most productive. although i don't mind limming ari if she's going to be belligerent. I'd rather flip that slot.

[humaneatingmonkey]

start contributing to the game

why do you TR ari

[humaneatingmonkey]

I think Ari's post where they said "I got you in my trap" (they didn't literally say that, but) seemed townie.

it seems scummy that she used that post to dismiss the interaction with me. i strongly believe that her purpose for voting me there wasn't to sort me or to engage me, but to dismiss the line of questioning about her reads.

really though, her scumread on me was based on: 1.) me asking big questions she claims is designed to get her to do busywork (is it really busywork to explain your reads) 2.) me not having any reads despite having her and datisi as FOS. 3.) me leaving and ghosting the thread (i didn't).

are these so solidly scum-indicative that it's necessary to dismiss a productive encounter? that's not town behavior for me. that's scum-avoiding exposure.
or is she the type to be stubborn because she can't take being the recipient of questions regardless of she's town?

[humaneatingmonkey]

me trying to get her to explain her early reads lol

[humaneatingmonkey]

Datisi hasn't pressured me actually. Which makes me suspicious because if Datisi remembers me as the one who "ripped through town" in that one game, then he must have due cause to pressure me. Also, when prompted by Nero, he gave up assessing my meta at the mere sight of the word "daddy". I believe Datisi would have spent some proper time sorting me. Datisi is also bolder to announce his reads, however bad. He also tries to create a townblock in my experience. That doesn't happen here. His participation does not influence this game, which is pinging my bottom.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Why does Scum Tisi decide to not create a townblock?

maybe he's trying to play lowkey, maybe he's too preoccupied under heavy pressure, maybe he doesn't want to accidentally create a good townblock that can put this directionless game in a more focused one. there could be countless of answers, some might not be too obvious to us at the minute. But why town datisi wont is a bigger concern for me.

[humaneatingmonkey]

also why do you think it's impossible for you to form reads this early but also claim datisi should be able to form a townblock this early?

are your abilities so much lower than his?

why are you trying to pick a fight?

also yes, datisi is terribly more experienced than me.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Do you have a previous case of Datisi pressuring you off the bat? Is it scum!indicative for him to be interacting with people other than you?

No, but if he does claim that I'm good scum, I expect him to be more suspicious. I only had two completed games with Datisi iirc.

[humaneatingmonkey]

like why are you even pretending to be confused by my actions?

i'm confused because you're not trying to play a game with me. you're actively becoming more hostile with mentions of me being less skilled or Datisi's opinion of me being lowered.

[humaneatingmonkey]

He lowered his opinion of your scum game based on Nero giving him a counter example.

do you know that i won this game?

[humaneatingmonkey]

You assume that Datisi is able to create a townblock in the first 24 hours of a large theme... which makes very little sense to me - you also previous stated you think nothing ai has actually happened and you think people shouldn't be able to form reads - this is a contradiction just on the surface.

You are imposing a standard that by your own admission is absurd upon Datisi and using it to push him.

I assume Datisi is able to create a townblock because that's how i remember his playstyle in early games.

[humaneatingmonkey]

You said on the last page I am trying to kill you because I am mafia.

Why are you pretending to be confused by my actions now?

In fact if your world view is that Ari!scum is trying to misyeet me - my actions on this page should make perfect sense to you no?

If you believe Ari/Datisi are scum together this would be a textbook example of chainsaw defense no?

Instead you're confused about what I'm doing?

yes, because you are also trying to pretend that you're town publicly.

[humaneatingmonkey]

But he's also stated today that he thinks people don't have enough alignment indicative material this early in the game to create reads and that he doesn't really have reads himself.

so this is an obvious contradiction in that he expects Datisi to be creating a townblock while he himself claims he doesn't have townreads nor that enough AI material has gone on for people to create townreads.

the process to get to those townreads will be obvious, he doesn't need to generate one.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i dont have you at hard scumread.

[humaneatingmonkey]

my impression of his process so far is that he has been focused on nitpicking others' posts to see if they're being consistent. i remember that he focuses on creating trust first.

[humaneatingmonkey]

what happened here

[humaneatingmonkey]

that is true

[humaneatingmonkey]

unfortunately, i'm really just actually busy with my life and i still took this game anyway. i'm kinda lost atm, and i don't know what happened to merit MathBlade claiming on behalf of us. Was I at L-1?
Anyway, consider me Math' extravote.

[humaneatingmonkey]

the idea that two people were wagoned and then the wagons moved elsewhere is 100% evidence that there is scum in the first two names because why else would one of the first wagons in the game not go through!?!?! is like, wrong on so many fronts

i'm not math you can argue with me

[humaneatingmonkey]

i think it's alright. i trust you.

[humaneatingmonkey]

good night. i'll go read the thread.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Hey this is a spicy take, can you elaborate a bit on why you find ari worse than hem?

at first i was like HEM's "lol" post looked like deflection

but then when i saw the arguments recently, i thought ari was being a little unreasonable. i felt HEM asking for elaboration on the entire list was fine while Ari said things like "pick one" which seems like a way of saying "ha you didn't do what i asked you to do, you're being unreasonable" it was kind of the way it was said too

i think the arguments like "you ghosted the thread" and "you didn't pick up on my "trapcard" read of STD" aren't super meaty either.

based.

[humaneatingmonkey]

my wagon was mounted at the same time datisi's wagon was mounted, and it was escalated because town "needed" to consolidate. in the end, only a handful really thought i was scummy, but i wasn't really that scummy anyway — just heavily misrepresented. and i can't keep up with the tempo. i think there was merit to Math's suggestion, but i dont expect you to agree with that because it would mean you'd be scum, Datisi.

[humaneatingmonkey]

@baltar, is there a reason why you did not include me in the early readslist? i see you have a null category, and pretty sure i had posted at the time

I started with the full list of names at the start of my catch up and was slotting them into those piles as I was going along and getting feelings one way or the other. So while I had a null category, by the time I finished read I was kind of tired and didn't feel like writing out WHY I felt null on a bunch of people still (including you), I just knew I wasn't ready to make an alignment call on those people yet.

this exchange just feels so wrong

[humaneatingmonkey]

oh we have 7 days til elimination and i dont have to make a decision now?

cool.

peace out.

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: ari
this doesn't seem town to me and i would like to know why that's the popular consensus.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I kinda think that scum would have reacted in a more "pro-town" manner. + that whole "u fell into my trap!" just seems so...silly. Isn't pooky supposed to be really good? b/c this doesn't really look it to me.

it worked. people saw her as town for that. and it effectively dismissed my line of questioning, and she never even had to talk about it again.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i guess mostly i'm questioning why people had her pegged as strong town, maybe that can help me see it from a different POV

[humaneatingmonkey]

did you feel that ari was buddying you in any sort of you at that point in time?

[humaneatingmonkey]

meanwhile, i didn't really feel that ari was genuine with me. it felt like she chose her victim and went hard at it. like she decided that i'm it and i'm going down. it was always misrepresentation and hostility first (i even tried to deescalate), and i didn't feel that there was a legitimate attempt to sort me or give me any reasonable doubt. if pooky really was good, i doubt she would have decided that i was scum based on the lame stuff she had on me (that she mostly made up, btw - the "ghosting", the "busywork", and the "trap")

[humaneatingmonkey]

i can go through her iso later if you want

yes please, i'd rather not mislim a town pooky so if you can help me get a harder read, that would be great

[humaneatingmonkey]

i side with REASON and LOGIC

[humaneatingmonkey]

as always

[humaneatingmonkey]

*pops in*

anyone thinks how it makes no sense for scum!ari to purposefully act contrarian to the mason + other pushes and avoid doing what they are asking her to do at the time a wagon is rapidly building on her? no? just me? ok

*pops back out*

the main motivation is to pretend like they're town, right? so it always makes sense in that regard. it also makes sense to be contrarian when you're the one the masons are voting. why would town!ari be purposefully contrarian anyway?

[humaneatingmonkey]

it doesnt make sense as either alignment.

i doubt pooky's worried about E-4, and it's not even the deadline.

[humaneatingmonkey]

my thing is that Ari is voting a mostly inactive limbait slot and that just seems like loads of ass for a 2k post games.

yes + i thought she scumread tenebrou? why not pursue that option or get a harder read

[humaneatingmonkey]

my thing is that Ari is voting a mostly inactive limbait slot and that just seems like loads of ass for a 2k post games.

yes + i thought she scumread tenebrou? why not pursue that option or get a harder read

that was like 50 pages ago lol

so what happened with that read

[humaneatingmonkey]

i'm saying there's much easier avenues to take as scum if your objective is to, you know, not die, as opposed as town who just wants to push what they believe in

so what about now that she seemed to have been making one all along

[humaneatingmonkey]

Ari is scum lmao
Wu is a scumread yet never joins the wagon c’mon

lmao!

[humaneatingmonkey]

why is pooky so mean i was told they were nice

[humaneatingmonkey]

let's split up math VOTE: GeneralWu i wanna see what happens if I park my vote here. this slot has plot armor.

[humaneatingmonkey]

fua, what are your reads? doesn't have to be a list, just walk me through who's on your shitlist.

[humaneatingmonkey]

you guys are hella mean. you keep asking mathblade why he thinks Ari is scum, and then keep yelling at him for repeating what he thinks. what do you guys expect? his answer will change overtime to be more like yours?

very charismatic.

[humaneatingmonkey]

you guys even said it. the beauty of forum mafia is that you can return to previous pages to see how ari's wagon formed. it was never understated, you guys just refused to look at it because... i don't know why you wouldn't evaluate a slot that was in the top pick? was it purposeful?

the appeal that "she would never be contrarian if she's scum" doesn't even hold up. scum would literally do anything. and we can see — it even worked out for her slot.

maybe it's better that the slot would be replaced so we can reset our infatuation for the slot.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i was the same monkey.

meanwhile, i didn't really feel that ari was genuine with me. it felt like she chose her victim and went hard at it. like she decided that i'm it and i'm going down. it was always misrepresentation and hostility first (i even tried to deescalate), and i didn't feel that there was a legitimate attempt to sort me or give me any reasonable doubt. if pooky really was good, i doubt she would have decided that i was scum based on the lame stuff she had on me (that she mostly made up, btw - the "ghosting", the "busywork", and the "trap")

ari was more interested in getting me lynched than actually finding town/scum. have you noticed how little she participated after it was revealed that i was a mason? additionally she had a tenebrou scumread that she didn't follow-through from her POV. first she was posturing to sheep datisi (in what i read as an attempt to buddy datisi), then she moves on to vote from a nothing-slot. later, she claimed she scumread wu, but wouldn't join that anyway. it was clear she was being contrarian, and datisi would claim this was town-indicative. i would say that it's not indicative of anything, just that she wanted to be contrarian. what is apparent is that this strategy worked if she was scum, because she was defended heavily.

all of this is background information now that she has been replaced.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Personally I'm cool with letting this game slow down

[humaneatingmonkey]

3 tprs got ran up and then we couldn't vote out obvscum Ari and no one was listening to me so I thought we could at least vote out hood scum.

still interested in an Ari elim by the way, just want to give the new slot a fresh start

[humaneatingmonkey]

yes she did, at least for me iirc

VP, i invite you to read the game and treat our pov seriously. that you don't makes me think you're so confident that ari is town

[humaneatingmonkey]

it's in the way that you dismiss the case against ari and have announced that the past 20 pages are barely worth reading. it sends the wrong message.

please consider this post when backreading ari. i would like to know what you think about it, even if it's a dissenting opinion.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i'm on the side of REASON and LOGIC

[humaneatingmonkey]

as always

[humaneatingmonkey]

i was already making fun of myself while posting that lol cause it's an objectively silly thing to say, you don't have to keep saying it

i find it funny too

[humaneatingmonkey]

haha of course not fren

[humaneatingmonkey]

So I think very much that Ari was being contrarian to Math because of the b a g g a g e. Personally, i think it would support the claim that it's non-ai. But it doesn't explain her belligerence towards me. It seems to me that it was a blanket strategy to anyone who she thinks she can push around. But saying that, i wonder what datisi thinks about ari's contrarianism now that it's been given full context.

[humaneatingmonkey]

hmm

[humaneatingmonkey]

why yeet and not wu

[humaneatingmonkey]

why is yeet the best vote here?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I am on Aristeia's side in this discussion, but I think humaneatingmonkey is possibly town anyway. I think this is TvT with Aristeia stronger town to me, to be clear

this does seem to be an odd post to make. how will you agree with ari's side of the discussion without thinking i'm an offending scum?

Perhaps I am able to ascertain why you'd think that. You may have a point.

VOTE: Dragons

Vote Wu or HEM.

Large games should consolidate D1 as fast as possible or we will end up at 100+ pages for D1 and that's just annoying later in the game.

THIS right here is why my sequence on Datisi was not wrong. We need to get things moving and start pushing in this kind of game since opinions will be far more fragmented. The probability that close to half the people in this game have the same top scumread is far lower than in a smaller game. That means we need to compromise and not always vote our top scumread at any given point. We don't want to dilly dally the whole day and scramble with no info at the end. I am saying this now so that we do not get caught in problems down the line. Just to put my money where my mouth is, I will VOTE: humaneatingmonkey, even though my last impression of him is light town (although I feel more nullish on him anyway).

Yes, Aristeia's townread on Datisi gives me some pause on him being scum. No, that doesn't mean I still don't want more pressure on him and to run him up. If people want to start voting Datisi again I will gladly switch back. And me pointing out that I didn't think many people at the time had a favorable opinion on him.

I haven't fully caught up (nor do I intend to in such a large game) but it seems things have changed. It is concerning that people are using my recent activity to discredit the townie vibes that I gave earlier. It is possible that this is scum motivated to keep the PoE wider, but it seems more likely to me that this is just poor activity logic.

this post seems wrong as well, also conflated and elaborate to cover the fact that it makes no real sense to vote me here. (vs say, Wu)

@Yeet

can you clarify if i'm misrepresenting anything

@Frogsterking

can you also elaborate why you think Yeet isn't scumhunting? because looking at his iso, he coulda fooled me

[humaneatingmonkey]

After readinf 71 multiple times, i actually dont think i got any clarity from it >.>

Why is it more believeable that me/dats would townbin you than for yeet to do the same thing?

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Nai = non alignment indicative

In other words i'm saying what dats has done thus far is neither townie nor scummy for him

skitter30, I don’t believe you are being consistent in your explanation.

I don’t believe that you would say that you’re not sure why people think Datisi is scum when you know exactly how he plays and believe this to be his town self.

You are assuming that we know him implicitly there. We do not know Datisi, so why would you expect us to have the same opinion on him with your knowledge?

You would’ve simply said that Datisi’s posts are “NAI”, without the part where you’re “not sure why people dislike him”.

It doesn’t make sense, it’s not a real read, and your approach to this whole thing feels like it’s not coming from a genuine solving headspace - rather it was feeble attempt to provide content and you felt the urge to white knight him.

Vote: skitter30

if Yeet flips scum, it might be worth to see if scum is in the other wagon — and #1206 is some sort of split maneuver to avoid association by VCA

[humaneatingmonkey]

oops misquoted there. sorry about that.

[humaneatingmonkey]

fine VOTE: yeet

[humaneatingmonkey]

though none of those reasons are how you said he was (not scumhunting)

[humaneatingmonkey]

this is just me being nitpicky right? When he says that Ari isn't infallible it's implying that her reads were wrong and that's not information town has on d1.

this could possibly be something

[humaneatingmonkey]

what do you think about the other points against Yeet, VP? just curious.

[humaneatingmonkey]

not really i was still a "light town" for him some posts ago from that point. there were also odd posts i pointed out in #2201. In #2204, Frogster made a good point about Yeet's #199. Nero's #2211 is kind of a reach but it's interesting to note.

you're really someone i wanna be working with right now because you're pushing the town towards a resolution, and i'm trying to do that as well.

[humaneatingmonkey]

not really i was still a "light town" for him some posts ago from that point. there were also odd posts i pointed out in #2201. In #2204, Frogster made a good point about Yeet's #199. Nero's #2211 is kind of a reach but it's interesting to note.

you're really someone i wanna be working with right now because you're pushing the town towards a resolution, and i'm trying to do that as well.

this post was a response to 2216

[humaneatingmonkey]

although I thought you were sold more on ari scum

she can still be scum. nothing indicates otherwise.

[humaneatingmonkey]

i realize our avis are both smoking humanoids in suits.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I said HEM became a bit more nullish for me than I originally tried to defend him for.

your words are nice but this isn't how you said it, and this isn't how it was worded. i don't think you even referred to me as nullish.

[humaneatingmonkey]

ah so i'm light town, but more bullish. this is the better vote than the one you had a null read on because you felt peer pressure. is this accurate?

[humaneatingmonkey]

so what was it if not peer pressure? geez sorry i was trying to be concizeee

[humaneatingmonkey]

because it sorta feels like you're using peer pressure as an excuse.

i guess the other hard question is... why would you say that you were nullish to me when just posts ago, you describe me as:
- possibly town,
- +town
- never seen scum ask town to blanketly explain every single one of their 10+ reads off a casual readslist as their first entry into the game
- I just don't think scum HEM would decide to enter going guns blazing at Aristeia, of all people, who seems to be reacting to this in a very OMGUSy way
- I just don't see the scum motivation here.
- big stretch to say scum!HEM's scum agenda here is to get into a 1v1 with Aristeia to avoid doing real stuff in the thread and get townread for 1v1ing her. I think that's just a ridiculous agenda that doesn't make sense to me.
- I was one of the monkey defenders

those sound like really good townreads, Yeet. these are all great compliments. how did it turn into nullish? did i become scummier in between post 712 and post 1206?

[humaneatingmonkey]

when will the censorship end

[humaneatingmonkey]

so I had these vague feelings that

I remembered you might be townie

. I saw that you were the largest wagon and was more focused on trying to move the game forward at the time so I did that.

thank you for clarifying

[humaneatingmonkey]

now i'm trying to evaluate whether it really is scummy to vote someone you think is town vs someone you think is null. I believe the choices were Wu, Nordom, and I. Interesting that he would join a wagon he does not support because he felt that it was necessary for game progress. i dont think i buy that at all.

[humaneatingmonkey]

does anyone?

[humaneatingmonkey]

i'm not even sure, what progress did you want the game to be in by voting a townlean?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Don't you feel this wagon on me is generating some interesting content, for example? Now I am feeling a bit of pressure to defend myself and that can help you all evaluate me better too.

what i'm not sure of is why you decided the pressure on my wagon wasn't enough that you had to go on my slot — much more that you think the slot was a townlean. there were other viable picks and we're barely near our deadline.

sorry but this is 2 sketchy 4 me. i respect your time, so i won't waste it buy going through this a million times when i think we've discussed enough. maybe I'll change my mind later.

[humaneatingmonkey]

let's change the topic - how do you read the game right now?

[humaneatingmonkey]

it's beneficial for the game state to run people up sooner rather than later

three prs have been run up, you're the leading wagon, and this is your conclusion

[humaneatingmonkey]

lmao yeet

[humaneatingmonkey]

so why do you prefer Wu vs Yeet, Datisi

[humaneatingmonkey]

scorpius aren't you tired of actively lurking

[humaneatingmonkey]

I'm starting to read go over some of the sections. Can someone explain to me why MathBlade even claimed both of you guys as Mason to begin with? You two weren't even like that high at that point...

Like what was the point? There was plenty of room to start talking yourselves out of the wagon. Instead MathBlade just decided with like half the required votes on you guys not even halfway into D1 to just throw out the mason bomb immediately.

MathBlade couldn't trust that I'll start townspewing no less than 48 hours after my initial shock gameplay

[humaneatingmonkey]

hey fue, maybe you should shoot scorpious

[humaneatingmonkey]

What is the point of interrogating this?

this is a good question to answer, yeet

[humaneatingmonkey]

i am readsfluid

[humaneatingmonkey]

we got a ping from scorpious guys

[humaneatingmonkey]

prepare for a massive shift in the gamestate, scorpious is now about to launch his first vote

[humaneatingmonkey]

i think that's the most i'll get out of yeet's wagon. i'm not sold on the vote being 2 scummy 4 scum because it was a very self-conscious vote. regardless, if you feel like throwing your own parties, feel free.

datisi, you were here when i laid out my argument against yeet. what do you mean "that's the only reason for your wagon"?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I’m ridiculously not caught up and TRYING desperately to contribute and I get mocked?

you're so goddamn hilarious

[humaneatingmonkey]

If you want me to be more specific, I guess the timeline of my skitter read was something like "scummy for wording thing" -> "uhh fine never mind confusion" -> "ill shelve this for now" -> time and other stuff passes -> "people start voting skitter again" -> "hmm, maybe that's a reasonable vote, I do feel like she's been maybe more underwhelming and I had her had nullish anyway".

wait, this is how you evaluated your top sscumread?

[humaneatingmonkey]

oh wait you were serious

[humaneatingmonkey]

yeet is very good with vulnerability i must say.

by the way yeet, why did you vote generalwu? do you think scorpious was townspewing?

[humaneatingmonkey]

i wanna start a scorpious wagon but i dont think it will be very productive

[humaneatingmonkey]

hey fue, maybe you should shoot scorpious

I mean… that WOULD resolve the hardest slot to read.

but feel free to surprise us instead

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: GeneralWu

[humaneatingmonkey]

this game is an actual shit show, and frogsterking was king shit