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Like Skitter hasn’t had a “ping” she gets pings. It’s weird.

what does this mean?

and like, the rest of your post could be easily explained by different circumstances that precedent, especially for what i imagine happened in the mason pt, but

idk if i have it in me rn to argue

It’s a word tell.

Skitter gets “pings” when town.
I don’t see that here for her

ok i was gonna make fun of this cause it doesn't say anything about whether she gets "pings" as maf, but instead i decided to just go check some recent games

slaughter hour (maf): 0 pings, 350 posts
open 841 (town): 11 pings, 1073 posts
micro 1035 (town): 3 pings, 295 posts
mini 2254 (town): 1 ping, 77 posts
mini 2247 (maf): 1 ping, 130 hydra posts
mini normal 2224 (maf): 0 pings, 50 posts
open 779 (town): 7 pings, 305 posts

this game: 1 ping, 130 posts

so maybe she does actually get pings less as maf. but her pings per post (ppp) as town is like 1 per 100 posts and she's kinda on pace with that so idk if it's conclusive. but this was fun at least

ping ping ping ping

@fua

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I mean, can't we just vote in the hood?

Mainly I don’t want to rush this day as I want to see Human’s reads and give a last will of sorts since I am probably dying. Got a lot of slots to sort and would prefer this go slower not faster (another reason wagon looks SvS between the two)

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Like the more bloat that gets added to the game that is unproductive crap the more likely this is SvS.

If you are the town side talk about who is scum with whoever you are pushing

Otherwise this back and forth is not productive.

Both of you clearly and demonstrably have bad logic. You’re not going to spam the other person into confessing.

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HEM died. Agree with the sorta slow day but between us all this game is just gonna get more bloated.

I think I am of the opposite side where I'm more suspicious of Skitter/Dats attacking Fua right out of the gate.

Kinda thinking Skitter/Fua/April/Datisi ish?

Does this seem viable with hood talk?

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I mean maybe Fua is just scum that fakeclaimed vig and I'm just all kinds of bad for believing that he wasn't messisarily scum.

Fua isn’t scum for the claim. Their response after sucks.

1) How many shots are they? Did they lose it? In essence I think they do in a normal so would be VT like. The emphasis on defense is not VT like.

2) Lots of possible reasons the shot didn’t go through, some of which are BP scum.

3) The lack of noticing who is on the playerlist doesn’t correspond to their shot claim. They said “someone who started with F” okay still multiple people. If they intended it to be one fua would have just said the name. Instead Skitter goes why fire and Fua goes along with it.

So Fua can’t have suddenly forgot Frog exists while making a PoE of who they shot. That seems off.

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I dunno, I really think it's VP that's scum in the hood. Skitter is scummy too but at least VP is scum. Not liking Eyes and I think there's a clear link between him and VP. Ari was a lil' scummy and then April replacing in and not doing anything was bad.

Why are you so set on VP?

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are scum more likely to be on or off wagon?

I didn’t get a chance to do my VCA.

I kinda think on but that’s a simple Numbers probability in that half the game is on Wu so scum are more likely on than off.

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Fire was one of Fua's scum reads from yesterday. He could still be faking but it would make sense to me that he'd shoot Fire and not Frog.

Oh yeah it makes more sense to think Frog.

But it’s more the fact
Fua makes PoE of two people if they wanted to say just fire they would have
Skitter susses one of them
I ask Fua why they didn’t poke about their PoE
Fua forgot frog existed just after making a two player PoE doesn’t make sense

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I’d rather see them talk about other slots if I am wrong in my Fua/Skitter SvS thoughts

Otherwise I think I will just ignore them and work on other reads as it’s not productive

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Fire was one of Fua's scum reads from yesterday. He could still be faking but it would make sense to me that he'd shoot Fire and not Frog.

Oh yeah it makes more sense to think not Frog.

But it’s more the fact
Fua makes PoE of two people if they wanted to say just fire they would have
Skitter susses one of them
I ask Fua why they didn’t poke about their PoE
Fua forgot frog existed just after making a two player PoE doesn’t make sense

Ebwop

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Yeah, no. This is getting frustrating because I’m 99% sure I was roleblocked and being told that my reads are bad and gaslit when I’m 100% sure I’m vig is making me view this game in an unhealthy mindset. Sorry, but I need to replace out for my own mental health. Peace.

I can empathize with this feeling

I am pretending this post does not exist per site rules

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I kinda want to see what skitter / Fua (or Fua 2.0) do here.

There’s a lot of leaps in logic from both

But if both are dead set the other is scum

They can form reads with that person is scum who with. That’d be a lot more convincing the other person is scum rather than back and forth repeatedly

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Fua forgot frog existed just after making a two player PoE doesn’t make sense

I mean tbf to them they also p clearly forgot frog was in the game

How do you go from remembering them for a PoE then instant amnesia a slot exists? I don’t get that.

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I'm p sure they didnt meant for frog to be in the poe at all, when they said someone who started wirh an F i think they meant exactly fire (and werent thining about frog), but was trying to be oblique for whatever reason

Possible but a stretch.

Why are you defending your scumread?

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I don’t see why that matters. If I am wrong in my reasoning right for the wrong reasons is a thing.

Why do you think Nero is scum?

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Maybe

Kinda wanna see what people on HEM’s shortlist (won’t say who) say about these developments

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fua is probably still town. And independently skitter vs fua really doesn’t feel like SvS.

Why not?

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Fua's frustration in leaving the game seems quite genuine, although happy to be countered on that.

That post doesn’t exist per site rules so you’re responding to a post that doesn’t exist for all intents and purposes

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Hood people what happened in your hood overnight?

Nero pushed me to talk about reads. I told him I'm not doing that in a hood with a potential scum, and that it was kinda antitown to push it repeatedly.

That was all.

I doubt the hood is gonna get used much until we descum it

This doesn’t make sense at all.
Discussing reads in hoods is protown
Pushing people to post is protown.

Can you elaborate on why you say this?

And the hood should be used regardless of scum presence.

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Hood people what happened in your hood overnight?

Nero pushed me to talk about reads. I told him I'm not doing that in a hood with a potential scum, and that it was kinda antitown to push it repeatedly.

That was all.

I doubt the hood is gonna get used much until we descum it

This doesn’t make sense at all.
Discussing reads in hoods is protown
Pushing people to post is protown.

Can you elaborate on why you say this?

And the hood should be used regardless of scum presence.

if there are 2 scum in there, I call it a waste of time personally

How do you know unless you try?
I am not saying go all out and claim and such
But definitely at least reads should be discussed.

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I think HEM is right.

The more this discussion goes on the less I am convinced SvS on Fua and Skitter

I think tene Scorpious and April should give reads and do things

VOTE: Scorpious

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Cape your hammer is not NAI because there is obvious scum motivation to do it.

If anything because it has hyperlinks it was not a planned hammer so lean more town

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HEM is alive?

HEM was my mason buddy
He left me his reads.
I am using them as a start point

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Are we not listening to VP.? Your reads and stances aren't supposed to change. It's like you're playing the game or something.

I am more wondering why a Scorpious wagon hasn’t taken off when I voted him and it was buried by posts
Where as a Wu one did yesterday

*thinking emoji here*

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It feels like at least one of VP and Yeet is scum in this interaction.

Maybe. What are your thoughts on Scorpious?

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I mean, can't we just vote in the hood?

Mainly I don’t want to rush this day as I want to see Human’s reads and give a last will of sorts since I am probably dying. Got a lot of slots to sort and would prefer this go slower not faster (another reason wagon looks SvS between the two)

Did you and HEM have any good thoughts overnight that are worth sharing? Who do you think is suspicious on the Wu wagon?

I am trying not to be rah rah rah tunnel math

We do agree Scorpious needs to do something

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not sure how much playing of mafia since 2008 has helped him, like come on, I was a literal child back then

this made me realize that some people here have probs been playing mafia since before i was born and that is kinda terrifying

Since I was in my teens and am now in mid 30s.
You got an old person here

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It feels like at least one of VP and Yeet is scum in this interaction.

Maybe. What are your thoughts on Scorpious?

I gave an opinion on him a few posts ago. Light town because I think scum would stop the line of posting he's made upon observing that no one likes it.

I don’t think so.

I think that’s inaccurate.

I think Scorpious is a newb scum who doesn’t know how to fake reads (or an old scum that doesn’t care to).

Sure he may not be able to read the entire game if town but a read is not too much to ask.

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3) The lack of noticing who is on the playerlist doesn’t correspond to their shot claim. They said “someone who started with F” okay still multiple people. If they intended it to be one fua would have just said the name. Instead Skitter goes why fire and Fua goes along with it.

So Fua can’t have suddenly forgot Frog exists while making a PoE of who they shot. That seems off.

This isn't entirely unpersuasive.

The lack of a CC thing is notable though. You'd expect a second killing role in a game this size.

It’s why I am letting it sit until after work.

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i genuinely think that town overall is being towny here to the point where scum is running out of places to push, and i think a few people have expressed that sentiment lately and i expect at least one of them to be scum just being honest

Who else has expressed that sentiment and why are you singling me out?

tene in 2650. i already think he's scum. p sure someone else did but i forgot who and can't find it now. i asked you bc i do not townread VP in the cape exchange and thought that maybe you do for a reason

Tene wagon?

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I mean, ok look, finding scum that are using their words and actually have a thread presence can be hard, especially for a non Mith tier player like myself. I mean, I have played a number of games where scum just does...like literally nothing the whole game and while its mathmaticly impossible for scum to be just eyes/scorp...i think eyes could just very well be scum.

VOTE: eyes

I wagon scorp in that pair every time not eyes.

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VOTE: tenebro

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hello ill be your VP of today, but instead of calling for wagons on wu and monkey who were both town, i will be calling for wagons on tene and VP who are both scum

Not sold on VP.

Tene/Scorpio is a good start

Tene pushed a lurker but didn’t want my choice of lurker

Meaning if Tene is scum Scorpio probably is too

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Not sold on VP.

im not either tbh but there's things that look scummy to me and i think it's a good wagon

I’d much prefer tene and Scorpio over VP.
VP’s play reminds me of the game I was recently with him. He was widely scumread but a PR. I think people perceive him as a viable target whatever his alignment. He could be scum but I trust HEM’s read of tene and Scorpio more.

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hello ill be your VP of today, but instead of calling for wagons on wu and monkey who were both town, i will be calling for wagons on tene and VP who are both scum

Not sold on VP.

Tene/Scorpio is a good start

Tene pushed a lurker but didn’t want my choice of lurker

Meaning if Tene is scum Scorpio probably is too

Why am I not allowed to have my own opinions? I was already discussing which lurkers I suspected before you asked me about it, did you expect me to suddenly change my mind?

No. I just find it coincidence I vote Scorpio you vote eyes

If you genuinely didn’t care which lurker you’d be okay with Scorpio.

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This doesn’t make sense at all.
Discussing reads in hoods is protown
Pushing people to post is protown.

Can you elaborate on why you say this?

And the hood should be used regardless of scum presence.

I don't agree. There is too much suspicion in the hood for it to be useful right now. People should post their thoughts in the main thread so everyone can see, and the night posting is just giving potential guidance to scum. If it gets purged of scum or we get strong town reads of people in the hood, then it becomes useful as a soft-mason thread. Otherwise, hoods are kind of meh.

Lmao when there’s suspicions it’s most useful. Agree to disagree. Nearly every game with constant hoods is a drain on scum as they are forced to stay Townie.

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I mean, ok look, finding scum that are using their words and actually have a thread presence can be hard, especially for a non Mith tier player like myself. I mean, I have played a number of games where scum just does...like literally nothing the whole game and while its mathmaticly impossible for scum to be just eyes/scorp...i think eyes could just very well be scum.

VOTE: eyes

Really? You finally get traction on your push against VP and promptly abandon it? Again?

My bad I was reading and posts blurred

VOTE: Unvote

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Not sold on VP.

im not either tbh but there's things that look scummy to me and i think it's a good wagon

I’d much prefer tene and Scorpio over VP.
VP’s play reminds me of the game I was recently with him. He was widely scumread but a PR. I think people perceive him as a viable target whatever his alignment. He could be scum but I trust HEM’s read of tene and Scorpio more.

hrmm, intereshting. i have not meta read VP yet maybe i should. i wouldn't have guessed that tho, if that's the case it makes me a little less interested. early on i had him read as strong poster relatively helpful townie, but some things made me start to not trust. if he often draws suspicion then... eh. could still be scum but im kinda less into it

monkey scumread tene tho? idr him talking about that in thread

He didn’t.

Let’s do Scorpio. Not as sold on tene anymore

VOTE: Scorpio

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just b/c HEM is town doesn't mean he's right just genuine. If I had to vote between Scorp and tene then I'd do Tene. My worry here is that Scorp is just LHF that just always looks scummy, idk. I mean maybe we shouldn't even worry about it and just vote him out and if he's scum then he's scum and if he's town he'll no longer be a distraction.

I know.

That’s why I said I am using them as a starting point
Then when I liked tene’s response to pressure based on my mistake I backed off.

So if Scorpio does something I like I back off.

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You could just be terrible town here.

I'd argue that thinking that a player is scum and then rethinking whether or not they are really scum isn't bad town play. I guess you could also argue that Wu was so terrible that it was "good" townplay to get rid of him and maybe?

Look, I'm not going to ding you over potentially changing your Wu read anymore. Clearly, there is a world where you are town and had a better read than me. I think some of our arguing has not been that productive, but there is a certain aspect to your insistence that I'm scum that I find weirdly townie. There is a reason I've never voted you, even if I think some of your thought processes don't make a lot of sense to me.

The place where you and I agree is that we should lim inside the neighborhood today. I would like if you could take a look at what I"m saying about Cape and give me your thoughts. I will review skitter and we can reconvene to see if either of us change our minds.

Nah not interested in elimming in the hood unless activity picks up. It’s not a threat to scum so I would rather focus on what is a threat to scum.

If you want me to elim in the hood act like the hood matters

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Cape your hammer is not NAI because there is obvious scum motivation to do it.

If anything because it has hyperlinks it was not a planned hammer so lean more town

Not scum being self conscious about their vote and trying to justify it with

~reasons~

?

Not really seeing that.
Whatever their alignment it’s pretty clear hammer was an accident

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Hi i didn't read anything

Cool are you a doctor who healed me?
Or a vig who shot frog

(Everyone else please don’t correct anything here if it is wrong)

Your slot true claimed earlier

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(really who just reveal self at day 1 as vigilante)

Who’d you shoot?

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I very often get scum read because I'm a little direct with people in games (and I'm convinced my avi makes people sus of me). It happens regardless of alignment. Datisi has played with me a ton and can verify.

without knowing the context, this statement in isolation is indeed correct

also i have about 20 minutes of brainpower before my brain runs out of battery and i pass out so does anyone want me to look at something and give my spicy hot takes

Scorpio wagon yay or nay hot take go

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Well i am replace of Fua.

Deets you should know:

Math is confirmed Mason.

There is a hood of: Nero, skitter, Cap90, VP.

There's a lot of useless posting in this game (maybe even some from me in the last few pages while I was catching up, sorry all!)

Understood.

Oh, I'm ascetic too, fyi

Any reason we shouldn’t turbo elim you on policy?

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I think a Scorpio wagon should be a thing.

I remembered why not VP turbo elim.

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VOTE: scorp

i don't think policying ascetics is like, *a thing*

It is. It’s why there’s the miller/ascetic/neg util rule to claim in first few posts

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i've been playing for almost 3 years and i have never seen anyone actually policy a miller

I have seen it rarely too lazy to look it up

Most people just do it intro first posts though.

See Mastina wiki regarding miller

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This is beside the point

It’s a long established standard to claim neg util at start

If you disagree it has no merits discussing here as VP is not being policy elimmed if scum

We’re trying to talk scorpio

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Again we’re moving on. This discussion isn’t beneficial.

Talk about Scorpio or another scumread please

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I feel bad you used all that brain power.

I'm just a lowly VT that fell way behind and is half interested to read so much "content".

Go concern yourself with people that matter.

I am concerned with someone who matters.

The VT claim when a wagon isn’t even hardly on you is sus.

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Not sold on VP.

im not either tbh but there's things that look scummy to me and i think it's a good wagon

I’d much prefer tene and Scorpio over VP.
VP’s play reminds me of the game I was recently with him. He was widely scumread but a PR. I think people perceive him as a viable target whatever his alignment. He could be scum but I trust HEM’s read of tene and Scorpio more.

hrmm, intereshting. i have not meta read VP yet maybe i should. i wouldn't have guessed that tho, if that's the case it makes me a little less interested. early on i had him read as strong poster relatively helpful townie, but some things made me start to not trust. if he often draws suspicion then... eh. could still be scum but im kinda less into it

monkey scumread tene tho? idr him talking about that in thread

He didn’t.

Let’s do Scorpio. Not as sold on tene anymore

VOTE: Scorpio

I think a Scorp vote is much less likely to hit scum than a tenebro one. I don't actually see how Scorp is scummy in any way

Find me a read Scorpio has.

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Not sold on VP.

im not either tbh but there's things that look scummy to me and i think it's a good wagon

I’d much prefer tene and Scorpio over VP.
VP’s play reminds me of the game I was recently with him. He was widely scumread but a PR. I think people perceive him as a viable target whatever his alignment. He could be scum but I trust HEM’s read of tene and Scorpio more.

hrmm, intereshting. i have not meta read VP yet maybe i should. i wouldn't have guessed that tho, if that's the case it makes me a little less interested. early on i had him read as strong poster relatively helpful townie, but some things made me start to not trust. if he often draws suspicion then... eh. could still be scum but im kinda less into it

monkey scumread tene tho? idr him talking about that in thread

He didn’t.

Let’s do Scorpio. Not as sold on tene anymore

VOTE: Scorpio

I think a Scorp vote is much less likely to hit scum than a tenebro one. I don't actually see how Scorp is scummy in any way

Find me a read Scorpio has.

I don't find this to be a convincing point

If someone can’t find a single read in a game this size they aren’t trying.
If they aren’t trying to solve the game they’re more likely scum.

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Dragons is most notably different because they were the only one of the three to vote GeneralWu. Additionally, I feel they are the most capable of giving more, they have the fewest posts and I have the least sense of who they are within the game.

Also, I have felt at times that Dragons has in fact read the game. Scorp isn't doing anything because they have not read the game. What's Dragons' excuse?

read my posts i've been giving reads and shit

Exactly. You are present enough to have reads. So you are capable of producing content.

and i am so what's your point

You appear to be doing so right now. I am explaining why I voted for you a while ago.

Not feeling an std elim atm.

Can you explain why you’re so opposed to Scorpio?

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D1 isn’t fair to judge StD on imho
I went through something similar in a recent game
The fact StD is trying right now is town enough for me.

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The case for you from HEM is paraphrased as follows:
-> Unexplained resistance to your elim. Didn’t get the same traction as Wu.
-> Active attempts to hurt the gamestate by you and Frogger
-> Actively resistant to solving the game.

HEM thought you deserved a vig.

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Pressure sometimes works for affecting people but sometimes it’s more about people’s reactions to it.

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I think there’s a clear contradiction in Scorpious’ recent posting but I don’t think it’s scum-indicative necessarily

Elaborate please?

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So who wants me to claim.

I do.

At this point we have a vig that wasn’t shot.

So you claiming might be useful.

Btw I am a mason for realsies and my partner was shot.

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This game is not going well.

Agreed.

But I think that the only true claims are the hoods
Or if scum have a RB then they have to decide between Fua and April.

Pretty much all of HEM’s scumreads are wagons or sussed
Namely tene Scorpio and April. Skitter has her tell and stock equity goes way up if April is.

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So could be worse but I think the game stalled because maj wagons are scum.

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The apology rings hollow Scorpious.

If you wanna change my mind please effort up.

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Pretty much all of HEM’s scumreads are wagons or sussed
Namely tene Scorpio and April. Skitter has her tell and stock equity goes way up if April is.

Been thinking about this today. I sort of think there are two possible things maybe going on here. Either:

1) it is close to what HEM thought and a lot of the low content/impact people are on the scum team.

Or

2) the scum are more well hidden than town has really pushed. Something like a Datisi/skitter or Cape/fire core.

I can see a HEM kill in either scenario, so that isn't too helpful. The wagon also doesn't help clarify a ton for me either.

If you have a strong inclination to do the low volume pool today Math, I may just give you my vote to use. Tenebros explanations maybe seem the most contrived, but his frustration also read sort of real. Idk

I am sort of more trying to figure out who is the most town of the scummiest

Datisi skitter plus tene Scorpio is possible

Mainly I kinda want to see someone who is in that group push and find scum.

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I have a couple questions.

Sorry if they are obvious…

Now I’ve read a lot of this game now.

Where is it made fact that Mathblade is town?

Also, the replacement slot,April.. scummy af.. and the ari before that.. scummy af

I claimed mason yesterday with HEM and not CC’d.
If I wasn’t masons with HEM then I’d be dead

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It is easier to push nobodies than established players, and many of you clearly know each other. That is my latest theory for why we are seeing a push as lame as the one against Scorp, and said push persisting in spite of his townie reaction.

I have brought this up. It’s a sore subject with some. I have noticed some and I emphasize some people around here would rather knowingly mislim a “nobody”(should I be insulted? Lol) and play longer with their friends.

Apologies, I just get the sense that you don't seem to be in the in-group.

It’s not about an in group for me.

I don’t do that.

I play mafia with my sister and we tend to suspect each other a lot.

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Scorpio’s reaction is not Townie btw

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It is easier to push nobodies than established players, and many of you clearly know each other. That is my latest theory for why we are seeing a push as lame as the one against Scorp, and said push persisting in spite of his townie reaction.

by expand i meant name names

It is a general admonition. I am sure this is not the answer you are looking for. Math I suppose is one person who could stand to be more courageous, since I know his uninteresting pushes are not due to being scum.

Pushing HEM’s reads to me is courageous
Not hyperposting is courageous
Uncourageous would be checking out after Wu flip and doing Skitter

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Honestly when I rep in I just work off feel and vote counts and read later. This way whatever my alignment I am actively working toward my wincon immediately.

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math, how much were you pushing for a scorpious wagon in the past ~8 hours? and has he posted anything that can be even remotely called townie?

I am actively avoiding my standard push style
I guess you can say I am pushing

I am more just trying to poke HEMs reads without being tunnelly.

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Honestly, guy replacing in and not reading and then not helping to find scum (if you aren't) isn't great town play. I get that it could be more gimmick play than AI playbut its still not great

Bro, I'm FL. This account's not hidden, and I'm really not even in gimmick mode.

This is pretty much why I want to not elim you today.

But if we don’t flip scum I want you flipped.

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Like I dislike a lot of your posting April. Definitely going to need better than that to change my mind

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Why does April being an FL alt make you not want to vote there?

Because FL is good town.

It’s pretty much a free check if my Ari read was right depending upon who FL pushes and their alignment

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Why does April being an FL alt make you not want to vote there?

Because FL is good town.

It’s pretty much a free check if my Ari read was right depending upon who FL pushes and their alignment

This sucks.. there are so many non "this" game related variables here to call someone town.

I am not calling FL town this game.
That was a reference to FL’s skill.

I scumread him it’s more giving him a chance to shine and see which direction FL goes if scum.

If scum he can bus which increases his standing but loses a buddy
Or he can push town and if town flips people will know I want his head from the grave.

If he is town then he reliably hits scum.

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Why does April being an FL alt make you not want to vote there?

Because FL is good town.

It’s pretty much a free check if my Ari read was right depending upon who FL pushes and their alignment

This sucks.. there are so many non "this" game related variables here to call someone town.

I mean people used the same logic for both Skitter and VP and dats?. Though reputation=//=ability. All these players have more than two brain cells and most people with more than two brain cells can be "good"

That’s why you sort them by results.

We agree on a lot of our scum pool just not VP.

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Nah not feeling a Frogger wagon. They seem Townie to me
Someone wanna case Frogger?

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Yeah I hate the sudden flurry with no case.

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Yeah I hate the sudden flurry with no case.

Which of the votes do you question?

Malcom, can you link the game you're referring to?

All of them

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Actually, I’m not sure I love this wagon anymore? I think I’ll stick around a bit just to see what happens.

What are your scumreads?

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I said Cape was town after his reaction. I kind of vanity voted Malcolm because I’m going around poking my nullreads.

Do you think we’re in a good spot here as town? My tone may be different because I’m sensing more anxiety about losing. Scum are playing and hiding well and town did not exactly kill D1. The 2 early fights looked TvT which is never a good sign.

I think we are in an okay spot.
Negativity like this is not good however.

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VOTE: tene

Has more people on it. I like both wagons

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No order between tiers. Datisi is null in a different way than Skitter slot. I expect 2-3 scum in the blue, tbh, even though I'm leaning town on the majority of the game.

Yeet made a comment about hard to get scum reads this game, which is something I have noticed as well, which means scum are likely playing a more inaction type of game, letting the game flow whilst giving some momentum support here and there.

I could be wrong on STD, that's not a strong scum read. I can't shake the feeling of Malcolm scum, though.

tenebrousluminary
Cape90
MathBlade
Yeet

Nero Cain

DeasVail

Frogsterking

Scorpious

fireisredsir

Enchant

Eyes without a face

VP Baltar

Datisi

skitter30

Save The Dragons

MalcolmTucker

The only place we agree on scum reads is Skitter or Datisi. Could you look there more esp Skitter?

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No order between tiers. Datisi is null in a different way than Skitter slot. I expect 2-3 scum in the blue, tbh, even though I'm leaning town on the majority of the game.

Yeet made a comment about hard to get scum reads this game, which is something I have noticed as well, which means scum are likely playing a more inaction type of game, letting the game flow whilst giving some momentum support here and there.

I could be wrong on STD, that's not a strong scum read. I can't shake the feeling of Malcolm scum, though.

tenebrousluminary
Cape90
MathBlade
Yeet

Nero Cain

DeasVail

Frogsterking

Scorpious

fireisredsir

Enchant

Eyes without a face

VP Baltar

Datisi

skitter30

Save The Dragons

MalcolmTucker

The only place we agree on scum reads is Skitter or Datisi. Could you look there more esp Skitter?

Yeah, I'll look more into skitter. Not the best at reading her, plus she replaced out I saw. But I'll try and ISO her tonight.

I think it's a good thing we have different reads Math. What are your reads for my Blue tier?

One-3 scum rest town.
Your greens are troublesome

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Sorry I know I am being short I have work issues

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I forgot about that neighborhood. I'll likely go and look deeper into those 4 when I have a chance then.

If we have to vote something you have at the bottom of your list I would do Skitter

But I kinda think the best thing is not to use your reads atm

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but you just said he was a good player! What a fucking liar.

I said he’s a good player that’s where I am trying to work where we agree.

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VP Baltar (5): Scorpious, tenebrousluminary, Nero Cain, Frogsterking, fireisredsir

[E-4]

tenebrousluminary (3): MalcolmTucker, Save The Dragons, MathBlade
Frogsterking (2): Yeet, VP Baltar
MalcolmTucker (1): April Ludgate
Enchant (1): skitter30
skitter30 (1): Enchant
Datisi (1): Cape90
Cape90 (1): Datisi

Not Voting (2): Eyes without a face, DeasVail

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 2 will end in (expired on 2022-03-16 09:20:00).

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Can someone do a TLDR on why VP please? I mean the wagon looks like crap and has most of my SRs but I am wondering if I have my reads messed up.

Based on the VCs it’s probably pretty likely tene is scum and there’s a ton of hyper activity for not tene

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Why do you say that? What would you argue I am missing about tene?

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Let’s assume tene is a CW (I disagree as iirc tene was first but I did just get off a long shift so Gonna roll with it) who do you think would be scum with VP on tene?

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originally thought deas was a possibility but he left tene for reasons i agree with so maybe he is town after all. malcolm would be pretty believable. eyes was positioning to join the tene wagon but didn't vote yet, he is a strong possibility. and then the 4th is probably like yeet or someone who doesn't want to commit to either main wagon

This whole verbose isn’t helpful.

Iirc you’re saying that VP is the main wagon and tene is the counter
Then there should be a clear scum pushing that CW or your narrative/gamestate is likely flawed?

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While verbose**

Autocorrect you’re annoying me

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i think the thing is that tene lim probably would have gone through (it was at 6 vs 4 on VP, with at least one or two more people willing to vote there) if me and deas hadn't switched off. and me and deas have been the two going after tene the hardest. so unless you think we're scum with tene and just hard bussing him, the wagon didn't dissolve due to scum partners moving away from it

Okay? So? This just means two town moved off

I don’t see how this meets your prior ideas

Tene — t,s,t,d,f,s

The wagon could be something like this?
Arrange t and s however you like for town and scum

I don’t see how you and deas unvoting is relevant here

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VCs today are
Fua v Skitter
Became a four way between VP, tene, Scorpious, enchant,
Became a three way beteeen Scorpious VP and tene
Became VP tene frog
Became tene Scorpious VP

If anything is a CW it’s not tene or VP it’s frog and Scorpio prolly

Tene and VP both are strong wagons

The people on the VP wagon are increasingly more static than the tene wagons which makes me think VP is a CW to skitter (or Fua)
And tene/Scorpio are scum so needed a new wagon

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also... if the people on one wagon are more static and people elsewhere are jumping around, doesn't that make it more likely that the static one is on scum and the rest of the team is trying to find another place to push that will stick?

Depends on what happened before the stickiness and who the counter wagons are

I don’t think tene and VP is tvt

And hem did sus VP a bit just wasn’t their top read

VP just doesn’t feel like scum and I really don’t like how April is all maybe…

VOTE: VP

I have a feeling I am going to regret this

Voting with HEM’s scumread on another

Can we just CW Skitter? Or April?

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Like I really want Tene or Scorpio but I think the game is scum controlled so we have to do another town elim to prove it which is silly

We should just flip Datisi too who is sus

Like there’s a million better than VP

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i see my own name being brought up

do you wanna talk, math?

Mostly it’s from D1 theory.

It’s super late for me and hard to quantify.

It’s more if you’re town it’s an uphill battle against power wolves like Ari/April

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ah alright, sure

i don't see why town!me implies some grand powerwolves since i recall not agreeing with your vca theories but what else is new

It’s more the odds of almost every D1 wagon being on town and not having power wolves is unlikelu

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ah alright, sure

i don't see why town!me implies some grand powerwolves since i recall not agreeing with your vca theories but what else is new

It’s more the odds of almost every D1 wagon being on town and not having power wolves is unlikelu

so why can't that be VP who was pushing everyone towards consolidating on wu/HEM?

That’s possible but no offense to VP he’s not a power wolf

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This wagon is pretty dissonant with D1.

VP can’t both be a power wolf and being wagoned here that doesn’t jive

Datisi and Ari (now Boonskiies) you’d need a hyperposter or someone of that caliber who commands the game. So scum in active posters

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So either datisi is scum to you or it's a power wolf scenario. I'm obviously not a power wolf, so am I scum with Datisi? If so, why did I try to kill him at the start?

You can be scum with Ari/April/Skitter type my more common theory. Skitter when she has time is capable of deep wolfing hard. Shame she replaced out

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Last VC is hella old and I just did another extra long shift
Anyone wanna tell me approx what the vote spread is?

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The Card Czar shuffles all of the answers and shares each card combination with the group. For full effect, the Card Czar should usually re-read the Black Card before presenting each answer. The Card Czar then picks a favorite, and whoever played that answer keeps the Black Card as one Awesome Point. After the round, a new player becomes the Card Czar and everyone draws back up to ten White Cards.

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VP Baltar (6): Scorpious, tenebrousluminary, Nero Cain, Frogsterking, MathBlade, DeasVail

[E-3]

MalcolmTucker (4): April Ludgate, Eyes without a face, Yeet, fireisredsir
tenebrousluminary (1): MalcolmTucker
Enchant (1): skitter30
skitter30 (1): Enchant
Cape90 (1): Datisi
April Ludgate (1): Save the Dragons
fireisredsir (1): VP Baltar

Not Voting (1): Cape90

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 votes to achieve an elimination.

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Lovely…
I can stay on a wagon that’s got my scumreads that was on a TR
Or I can swap to a wagon that’s a TR

VOTE: Unvote

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Fire is stunlocked

What does that mean?

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The second rule of go is the suicide rule. You cannot play in a position that reduces the liberties of one of your groups to zero, resulting in it being captured.

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GeneralWu (4): Nero Cain, fua, VP Baltar, tenebrousluminary

[E-6]

Datisi (3): skitter30, Yeet, humaneatingmonkey
tenebrousluminary (2): fireisredsir, Save The Dragons
humaneatingmonkey (2): Aristeia, Cape90
skitter30 (1): Datisi
Yeet (1): Frogsterking

Not Voting (6): Scorpious, DeasVail, MalcolmTucker, Eyes without a face, Nordom, GeneralWu

With 19 players alive, it takes 10 votes to achieve an eliminaton.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2022-03-12 05:15:00).

It isn't suicide to play a stone that captures your opponents stones, even if it has no liberties before the capture removes those stones.

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Datisi (5): skitter30, Yeet, humaneatingmonkey, Nordom, tenebrousluminary

[E-5]

humaneatingmonkey (3): Aristeia, Cape90, VP Baltar
Yeet (2): Frogsterking, Nero Cain
skitter30 (1): Datisi
Eyes without a face (1): Save The Dragons
tenebrousluminary (1): fireisredsir
GeneralWu (1): fua

Not Voting (5): Scorpious, DeasVail, MalcolmTucker, Eyes without a face, GeneralWu

With 19 players alive, it takes 10 votes to achieve an eliminaton.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2022-03-12 05:15:00).

The $200 is paid only once each time around the board. However, if a player passing GO on the throw of the dice lands 2 spaces beyond it on Community Chest, or 7 spaces beyond it on Chance, and draws the "Advance to GO" card, they collect $200 for passing GO the first time, and another $200 for Advancing to it the second time by the instructions on the card.

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GeneralWu (10): tenebrousluminary, fireisredsir, Yeet, Save The Dragons, VP Baltar, humaneatingmonkey, Datisi, MathBlade, fua, Cape90

[E-0!]

fua (2): skitter30, April Ludgate
Yeet (1): Frogsterking
Nero Cain(1): Nero Cain
Frogsterking (1): Eyes without a face

Not Voting (4): Scorpious, DeasVail, MalcolmTucker, GeneralWu

With 19 players alive, an elimination has been achieved.

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Sorry this is overdue and I don’t like either wagon so I figured I would do this.

We know Wu is town.
So Datisi being scum or town has a huge effect on narrative

If Datisi is town then scum never were wagoned at all D1. This means a wolf is in D1 TRs probably
If Datisi is scum then Skitter and April look really bad

If Datisi scum probably a scum in tene or VP. Probably VP much as I TR him because VP and Tene are the ones that made Datisi over Wu

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How do people read Datisi?

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The Card Czar shuffles all of the answers and shares each card combination with the group. For full effect, the Card Czar should usually re-read the Black Card before presenting each answer. The Card Czar then picks a favorite, and whoever played that answer keeps the Black Card as one Awesome Point. After the round, a new player becomes the Card Czar and everyone draws back up to ten White Cards.

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VP Baltar (6): Scorpious, tenebrousluminary, Nero Cain, Frogsterking, MathBlade, DeasVail

[E-3]

MalcolmTucker (4): April Ludgate, Eyes without a face, Yeet, fireisredsir
tenebrousluminary (1): MalcolmTucker
Enchant (1): skitter30
skitter30 (1): Enchant
Cape90 (1): Datisi
April Ludgate (1): Save the Dragons
fireisredsir (1): VP Baltar

Not Voting (1): Cape90

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 2 will end in (expired on 2022-03-16 09:20:00).

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VP April Datisi Skitter?

Musing?

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VP April Datisi Skitter?

that would be an absolutely nutty team and im pretty sure they would be doing better than they are if that were the case

Scum are doing excellent if that is the team.

Please clarify why you think scum are doing bad

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I think that team would be excellent because only VP is under suspicion.

I think maybe I win as scum a lot because I play scum differently?

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Also, yeah, Fire/DV has scum in them, VPB. Don't know which, but you're stuck in the center of it.

Don't worry, fam. I got you if you're town. I'm leaning into my lim for a reason. I'll flip green to set this game right

I don’t think this is a good idea if you’re town.

People do this and it works at best 25-50% of the time

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People can say they don't like the case, but why say No instead of Maybe. I see no real reason to actively shut it away especially since i havent seen anyone try to town case Malcolm really.

End of the day, cases are weaksauce until Day 4+

Tbh I would I just lack spoons.

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Problem is I likely die tonight so it’s nothing like last game.

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You were likely to die last game too…

How do you know what game VP is talking about?

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Idk I just assumed

That’s not an assumption

That was stated as fact

VOTE: Yeet

If this flips red scum are also someone who played with me last game

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Boon is prob town and scum are sheeping him on Malcolm.

Who is boon?

Also Malcolm is town stop.

Looking at Deas' recent content, I think Deas Vail is town

Boon is April

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I already mentioned that I am an alt and I have a few games of experience, none of this should be news. I briefly reviewed parts of the game that Math was talking about since there is a lot of plist overlap, but obviously I didn’t go into too much depth.

Deas’s townpoints on Malcolm are not convincing to me, but I am certainly biased there.

I forgot sorry

VOTE: Unvote

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Please don’t hammer while two replaces are needed

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Hi Titus and Galron

Titus the TLDR is D1 is a cluster f.

Town managed to push both masons at the same time and maybe a vig.

My mason partner died and I have a PoE of would like to elim and pushes have gone no where
For the past two IRL days I am not a hyperposter

I am kinda thinking either your slot is scum or we have power wolves
Because if you’re town no wagon got above 3 people on it that could be scum on all D1.

So help?

*typey type worky work stuffs*

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That moment when I FoS myself lol

Why Fua on VCs?

And I agree you’re sus based on VCs.

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scum do post during RVS so it's possible to find scum during "RVS"

can we kill VP now?

I'm worried shinier topics are going to distract from the VP wagon.

*sees inanity of page 1*

*bolts to VCs*

*sees inanity of page 1*

*bolts to VCs*

Why even read page one we all knew you were just gonna do that anyway

Yeah it's potentially a LAMIST statement to make with a built in excuse to not share thoughts.

I think luminary suggested the first 60 pages and then skipping to when April becomes active which I'd like because Titus' slot is one I really need to sort.

An alternative approach, not really reading at all and providing fresh reads as they come, could be helpful for scum hunting but would be more difficult for us to read Titus' slot itself.

Ooh fresh meat.

I'm not an easy player to read. I just think differently. I feel I'm pretty transparent but I'm the only one who feels this way.

I try to read people by what they do as opposed to what they say. I care more about why than the what. So early pregame RVS generally makes my eyes bleed. Occasionally I do try, but that try is legit NAI.

This post is fair because I wasn't asking any questions in 4029 so Titus is like mirroring me which makes me think town a little bit (or a deliberate pocketing attempt.)

Using a quick view of the VCs, I would look at Datisi and fua closer. Not superb reasoning but developing reads on those two would give reads on the whole.

My current theory is that scum were sheeping people to punish controversy and just placing easy votes. While it's possible, it's rare for scum to be aggressive when they don't need to be.

Math's prior poster likely provoked a scum vote or two not because of his opinions but what he was saying. Such callousness would make me want to vote him out if he wasn't a mason.

Can you explain why your analysis is implicating Datisi and fua?

Also does your method of VCA become more helpful the more slots are flipped?

They're major wagons at various gamestates. Knowing the options scum have suggests where they might want to be on the wagon.

Absolutely yes. I'm using it now to just get feet wet. The more we know about options, the more we can tell about an agenda.

For instance, assuming Math is a mason, then why would scum shoot monkey over Math? What does that say? Votes can and do tell a similar story.

Okay so you think Datisi and fua seem scummy because they were viable mislim targets who weren't being pushed very much?

As for HEM and Math I was looking at that earlier and the only difference that really stood out to me was that HEM was pretty vocal about sortng Yeet and even joined my vanity wagon for a little while and Math wasn't vocal about investigating Yeet.

@Math

Are you good at reading your sister?

If by good you mean absolutely atrocious then yes I am the best.

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I do. Scorpious struggles with content as scum and gets protected because he's adorable. He still wound up dying eventually but we won that game.

He has not been adorable this game and I've provided several reasons I think he is town based on game actions. I do not blame you as much as you probably have not read my posts to that effect, but it really feels like we have scum on the ropes right now so I'm pretty sus of the motives of these sudden votes on not just a lurker, when we have some actually legit leads to pursue, but the towniest lurker.

*lasers lock on*

This is the exact type of post I would make if I was protecting Scorpious this game.

I'm going to still analyze the other options though to not tunnel.

Help me…I am scared we agree?

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assuming Math is a mason

then why would scum shoot monkey over Math?

its Math...

I didn't get a staunch read either way yet. Why?

So you read him? If so why did you not talk about him. If your post wasn't about VP then I have no clue what you are on about.

I have no reads yet. I was hoping your answer would narrow things down.

Second, Math is capable of being competent Nero. Logically monkey dying over Math fypov suggests that money has better reads, scum used a strongman, or monkey can better rally people or a combination. Answering this helps us.

It’s why I have been borrowing from HEM’s reads

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VOTE: scorpio

Please can I has?

I know I tried once and people said no but…

*puppy eyes*

It’d be an awesome early Bday present for your mason.

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I mean I can hammerbut I'd wish that you and sister would actually give your opinion on VP or maybe you did and I just forgot.

My opinion is I don’t like the wagon. Been pretty vocal about it

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Where’s Galron?

Oh and if Scorpio is town then people would be climbing all over themselves to agree with me.

Kinda feeling Galron or Scorpio.

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Where’s Galron?

Oh and if Scorpio is town then people would be climbing all over themselves to agree with me.

Kinda feeling Galron or Scorpio.

Quick count, but 10 players posted since your vote. About half of them are either voting Scorp or telegraphing they would do so (Cape, Eyes, Nero, Enchant).

Yet they don’t because…?

Usually when I am town and wrong the wagon happens.

But here it’s nothing. It is weird.

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I guess if I have to be in a camp I am a “not VP” camp.

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Galron

has replaced

skitter30

and

Titus

has replaced

Datisi

.

VOTE: Galron

Maybe here? Skitter was in a lot of scum pools and Galron tends to be a lurker as scum.
It was a problem in Calculasia?

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Galron

has replaced

skitter30

and

Titus

has replaced

Datisi

.

VOTE: Galron

Maybe here? Skitter was in a lot of scum pools and Galron tends to be a lurker as scum.
It was a problem in Calculasia?

I think pursuing a new wagon is a bad idea. It does nothing to solve the divisions in the game.

And I think joining a wagon I TR doesn’t
And people aren’t moving
The only way forward is to get people outside the camp mentality.

New wagons do that.

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Plus it forces Galron to do something

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Put another way a majority of the game TRs VP and a majority of the game TRs Scorpious
So by numbers they aren’t happening.

So best to try something new

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a majority of the game TRs VP

a majority? April, eyes, dragons, scorpious, I think yeet... who else?

galron and enchant we know nothing about their opinions. malc was positioning weirdly around him but seemed to be leaning towards scumread. cape voted him earlier but thinks he's a little townier now, idk if that's a townread. titus hasn't given a strong read, definitely not a townread tho. idk what your read is atm. the rest are voting him. but at most that's like 6/17, def not a majority

I literally just said a bunch of times I TRd Nero

I feel like a majority of the game is just checked out rather than talk with each other

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a majority of the game TRs VP

a majority? April, eyes, dragons, scorpious, I think yeet... who else?

galron and enchant we know nothing about their opinions. malc was positioning weirdly around him but seemed to be leaning towards scumread. cape voted him earlier but thinks he's a little townier now, idk if that's a townread. titus hasn't given a strong read, definitely not a townread tho. idk what your read is atm. the rest are voting him. but at most that's like 6/17, def not a majority

I literally just said a bunch of times I TRd Nero

I feel like a majority of the game is just checked out rather than talk with each other

I TRd VP to Nero

Ebwop

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VOTE: VP

Nope. Now I kinda want VP since Galron is pinging me hard.

My meta the past few posts has been extremely different from prior games he has seen me in so I suspect that was coached which means I am doing what scum want so VP needs to go even though I personally TR him

Regardless of flip Galron needs to die.

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Scorpious is still scum too btw

Like please flip them all hard

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VOTE: VP

Nope. Now I kinda want VP since Galron is pinging me hard.

My meta the past few posts has been extremely different from prior games he has seen me in so I suspect that was coached which means I am doing what scum want so VP needs to go even though I personally TR him

Regardless of flip Galron needs to die.

What does flipping me have to do with galron?

Galron would be scumreading me for not hyperposting. Yet instead he goes this is town math. Therefore Galron is scum.

Galron as scum scumreading me means that I am doing what scum want. Therefore scum want me not on VP.

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VOTE: VP

Nope. Now I kinda want VP since Galron is pinging me hard.

My meta the past few posts has been extremely different from prior games he has seen me in so I suspect that was coached which means I am doing what scum want so VP needs to go even though I personally TR him

Regardless of flip Galron needs to die.

What does flipping me have to do with galron?

Galron would be scumreading me for not hyperposting. Yet instead he goes this is town math. Therefore Galron is scum.

Galron as scum scumreading me means that I am doing what scum want. Therefore scum want me not on VP.

if Galron were mafia though, would they not at least ask their buddies for who has a role etc so far? I see where you're going with this and the logic isn't bad, but it seems feasible as well Galron just hasn't read up on a lot of the game so far and through out a quick read.

That’s where I don’t buy it. If Galron was throwing out a quick read it wouldn’t be on me who has been a lurksac

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VOTE: VP

Nope. Now I kinda want VP since Galron is pinging me hard.

My meta the past few posts has been extremely different from prior games he has seen me in so I suspect that was coached which means I am doing what scum want so VP needs to go even though I personally TR him

Regardless of flip Galron needs to die.

What does flipping me have to do with galron?

Galron would be scumreading me for not hyperposting. Yet instead he goes this is town math. Therefore Galron is scum.

Galron as scum scumreading me means that I am doing what scum want. Therefore scum want me not on VP.

You hyperpost as either alignment.

Correct. So why were you giving me a townread when I wasn’t?
If anything that’d be sus

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So then when you posted a TR on me it was vacuous filler designed to look like content? Cool. Thanks for proving my point.

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Correct.

Because if you were informed I was a mason before making that post then there’s no reason to put out a town read on me because conf town.

Instead you say the TR of me is based on the past 6-7 pages (be generous and call it seven) where if I count right I had 15 posts at best.

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The TR of me does nothing to progress the game and no reads itself
It’s a trick you used in Calculasia a lot

So I look where you don’t want to elim and VP is in that post

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You're not really getting the nuance there, but that's fine.

*singing voice*

If I only had a vig.

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You're not really getting the nuance there, but that's fine.

*singing voice*

If I only had a vig.

Enchant if you’re town and have a shot I am begging please kill Galron.

I would prefer him elimmed over VP at this point but I think people are stuck

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Dude I said shoot Galron not Scorpio?

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My last wish is deaths in this order regardless of VP’s flip

1) Galron. Dude scumslipped and faked reads and it’s freakin obvious. Skitter30 also had a tell of pings.
2) April. April needs death. The fact they haven’t got an elim off at this point and Ari’s defense of Galron is bad AF
3) Titus unless she pushes a scum elim fast. As I said there was a scum in Datisi/Wu

Wake me in dead thread if there is still a game after that

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And please vig Galron. Please

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My last wish is deaths in this order regardless of VP’s flip

1) Galron. Dude scumslipped and faked reads and it’s freakin obvious. Skitter30 also had a tell of pings.
2) April. April needs death. The fact they haven’t got an elim off at this point and Ari’s defense of Galron is bad AF
3) Titus unless she pushes a scum elim fast. As I said there was a scum in Datisi/Wu

Wake me in dead thread if there is still a game after that

Explain how it's a scumslip like I'm 5? I see the inconsistency but it seems like such a silly mistake, idk.

Math is saying that Galron gave a "town" read on Math so Galron would look like he has accurate and good reads this game. Math is alleging that Galron already knew Math was a mason (something galron seemingly confirmed?).

It seems like the case is basically that Galron is stupid then?

That’s exactly my point VP.

I would love a Galron elim.

And no. The point isn’t Galron is stupid.

The point is Galron faked reads

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I don’t attack the player attack the play. Galron is one of the smartest people on MS he just made a mistake

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Ok, so I checked the timestamps and what Galron is saying does check out, at least chronologically.

I told galron at 9:38am (my time) that Math was a mason.

At 9:52 am, galron posts his Math "looks like he is town".

I think if you're being generous to galron, that could read as him lumping a bunch of ideas together into a single post. In that case, he would be saying something like 'I read the last few pages, here is what I think, oh and regardless Math is town.'

You could also interpret that post as galron trying to give a town read of Math for town points, but my thought would probably just leave it in the NAI bin since we can't know for sure.

…That’s like not what he said though lmao

VP and Galron scum team

I am not interested in the Malcolm elim at all.

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If it’s not in Galron VP Titus or April I kinda don’t care who it is not going there

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ok yea i wasn't really that convinced of that being a slip, but you're right that VP's interpretation there is extremely generous to galron

Would you do VP or Galron then?

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Happy birthday bro.

Happy birthday sis!

Sorry you got stuck with a scum role PM.

You can put doubt in that by voting VP or helping me wagon Galron (A)

(Disclaimer: may or may not remove enough doubt)

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Remember Galron is scum if/when I die.

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Why are you doubting yourself immensely

Don’t you think scum is in the wagons

i did and now i am doubting that. why am i perpetually paralyzed by self-doubt and indecision? idk i can't afford a therapist ill get back to you in 5 or 6 years

If VP wasn’t scum he’d have been hammered by now.

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Why are you doubting yourself immensely

Don’t you think scum is in the wagons

i did and now i am doubting that. why am i perpetually paralyzed by self-doubt and indecision? idk i can't afford a therapist ill get back to you in 5 or 6 years

If VP wasn’t scum he’d have been hammered by now.

Didn't you just say this about scorpious too?

Different context.

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you also said based on gamestate d1 that wu had to be scum

Datisi or Wu is what I said

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Why does VP have to be hammered to be town but not Malcom or Scorpious?

VP not being hammered = scum because of Galron and first wagon to stall for days and days
Scorpious technically counter wagon and reevaluating my pride is NAI

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I want to see the wagons tighten up.

VOTE: Malcom

Told you it’s VP+Galron.

This is atrocious.

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flash wagon on galron when

Honestly, I have been thinking at the back of my mind this

VOTE: Galron

Choo Choo trying again!

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VP and Galron scum team

If that's the scumteam, then me and Nero literally have 2 mafia neighbors

I honestly find it less and less likely tbh thinking about it

Yeah so? That’s been a thing before
Especially with masons if one scum present
Scum would essentially have four masons to deal with

2 scum seems right

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Charge! May the Galron wagon fly! Fly!

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@Nero join my shiny Galron flash wagon please *puppy eyes*

It’s mason lead

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skitter was extremely town at start of D2, just trust me I doubt she plays it that way. I’m not 100% but I would say I have a pretty strong read there. Arguments for Galron scum are super weak. This is one of those flashwagons that is probably scum motivated taking advantage of confusion and scrambling

I disagree with this. She pinged me as scum and Galron is doing the scum I am sorta here ish Wolfie thing he does as scum.

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I trust you believe she is town and therefore Galron is. I just think you’re wrong.

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I don’t hate just killing scorp and calling it a day tbh.

I am *staunchly opposed* to the wagon

What do you prefer here though? You've said yourself that you were starting to doubt I was mafia. You've struggled to state exactly why you are opposed to me. Several of the players who were on my wagon only went on it because they weren't keen on the other alternative, that's not a good reason for eliminating someone. I'm all ears for an alternative but feels like we're running out here.

I’m definitely more opposed to Galron and VP than any of the other wagons (you and scorp)

If the only wagons were VP and Galron who would you vote?

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VP probably

Then please vote VP.

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it's now 6 on malc, 5 on galron, and 3 on you, with nero currently on you but stating his intention to move to galron. you moving off galron onto malc isn't making it you vs malc, it's just making malc more likely to die over galron

given that, the noble sacrifice attitude falls a little flat

Exactly it was just stall until a cw could form

VP + Galron
Tail end with Titus and April please (these are my lesser confident ones) maybe Titus and yeet

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How could April have known Malcolm would become a real wagon? I was the only one suspecting him at the time

Because boonskiies is probably scumskiies

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I really want to vote Malcom to spite you...

But

VOTE: VP

Thank you. I am just trying to get some consolidations on wagons that aren’t from scumreads. I am trying new things like memeing to be convincing.

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I kinda stopped caring sometime last Thursday.

Who wants my vote?

Me.

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Also, if Malcolm flips scum, suspicion on me can go away other than saying I bussed. If Malcolm flips town, I lose a lot of credibility anyways.

Win-win-win for everyone.

I’d rather elim scum.

You’re looking pretty bad atm.

VP’s defense of Galron’s scumslip was terrible and you just ignoring it is horrible.

VP+Galron+you is looking pretty lock step.

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Also, if Malcolm flips scum, suspicion on me can go away other than saying I bussed. If Malcolm flips town, I lose a lot of credibility anyways.

Win-win-win for everyone.

I’d rather elim scum.

You’re looking pretty bad atm.

VP’s defense of Galron’s scumslip was terrible and you just ignoring it is horrible.

VP+Galron+you is looking pretty lock step.

Nah, your reads are off.

Then prove it.

I die tonight anyway.

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This still doesn’t address the clear scum slip from Galron and VP’s defense.

“You’re wrong” doesn’t address that.

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april, what would you say the wagon on galron means? if you think it's yucky, does that mean you think galron is likely town? is scum taking action? why, and who?

and if galron flipped maf what would that tell you?

Galron was a direct response to Malcolm wagon starting up, and it had momentum because Math mason is coming from a warped perspective due to being conf town, so it had fuel from a mason.

If Galron flipped Mafia, there's probably scum sheeping me, even if Malcolm/Galron is scum, it could be them feeding another scum, but it would likely lower malcolm a little for me, not a lot, but definitely some.

Lmao I started the Galron wagon. And my perspective isn’t warped because mason lmao. If anything it’s clearer due to having been vibing with someone else rather than solitary.

Like what?

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yes but are you the one that solves them?

I catch a couple scum generally every town game I play in that I'm not night killed in. I am night killed in the majority of my town games.

You’re not town so this is irrelevant lmao.

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I don't care about scum slips like that. I'm more likely to scum slip as town than I am as scum, so I don't really feel that's a slip. Galron is a compromise fade, and just like that pilates/yoga fusion class i took years back, compromise takes away the best things about each.

Why not? Neither you nor Yeet have explained why not and almost everyone else who has posted since then joined Galron

It’s freakin obvious

I call out sus reads in that Galron wouldn’t have TRd me because lurker
Galron says he knew I was town masons before posting.
I accurately point out that he’s faking reads then and he never followed up with any

He said he didn’t want VP elimmed so he and VP are scum together

Anyone not wanting to elim Galron is looking sus AF.

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yes but are you the one that solves them?

I catch a couple scum generally every town game I play in that I'm not night killed in. I am night killed in the majority of my town games.

You’re not town so this is irrelevant lmao.

Your reads are completely off, so this is irrelevant.

It's a typical missing the mark mason slot, not even if your fault, the game just revolves that way.

However, if you're pushing me with the intent of trying to stay alive, then fine. I'm kinda all for it, because that is the best type of defense you have bar PR actions for not getting killed in the night.

You also said you'd give me a chance to catch scum early in this day phase, and you haven't even let me get a flip, so you're just kinda going back on your word and simply discrediting aimlessly, so I'm kinda just letting you do whatever while I try to find scum.

Lol I did give you a chance and that’s why I am not flipping you

You’ve taken that chance and done nothing but push obvTown and ignore scum pairings so like ???

When you’re town you also tell me what is ridiculous and do better than just “wrong” so like yeah you’re obvious scum to me. Malcolm isn’t happening today.

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To be fair, I did have Galron slot on my scum list.

You talk a lot in definites, Math. The game's not black and white. If that were me, not that that slot is me or anything, that would actively mean the opposite of that. Just goes to show the need to not be definite about things on Day 2.

Then prove me possibly wrong and vote Galron.

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To be fair, I did have Galron slot on my scum list.

You talk a lot in definites, Math. The game's not black and white. If that were me, not that that slot is me or anything, that would actively mean the opposite of that. Just goes to show the need to not be definite about things on Day 2.

Then prove me possibly wrong and vote Galron.

if im on it, it's a hammer, but idk if i'll even hammer.

So you won’t vote a scumread?

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This still doesn’t address the clear scum slip from Galron and VP’s defense.

“You’re wrong” doesn’t address that.

Why do you always ignore things in games to fit your pet theory? This is such a fatal flaw in how you play the game.

I'm not defending galron so much as presenting facts that, if you read them a certain way, don't back up what you're saying. Keep in mind, I'm the only person who actually even understood what you're implying and I initially agreed with you. You need to learn to step back and evaluate much better.

It's absurd to think it is likely there are two scum in the hood. You have to do so many mental gymnastics to make your points work.

I have a very particular reason for my unvote of galron that has nothing to do with your thing, which I think is pretty NAI since it could be interpreted either way.

You have been pointed out two scum in a hood is common
I also pointed for setup balance two scum probably necessary.
Other players pointed out its very probable.

Stop rehashing old debunked points and get on Galron please time is ticking.

You can tell at me about my play after I am dead.

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You all can hop on now. It’s 7/9. Galron is the only elim happening today and even if I am wrong (doubtful) it’s better than no elim. Let’s gooooo!

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Nero's sheeping Mathblade on a scum slip push confirming the dumbness in scumGalron noted.

I’ve had sus of skitter and Galron all game c’mon Boon

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I will not be hammering Galron.

Then vote him now.

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there's still enough votes to vote Malcolm out.

We’re not doing Malcolm when Galron is so clearly scum and I die so then likely Boon just shades me after I do and then Galron VP and Boon aren’t elimmed

No we need Galron

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Just trust me Math Galron is town

Lmao hell no

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I just really dont like the wagon that formed right after you the way it did, Math. Even when inside of me, I do feel like there's the potential for GalronScum, I can't bring myself to do it. And if they are the one faded, and flip scum, I'll take the heat.


If they flip town, I'm power towning hard tomorrow with a vengeance. Be forewarned.

Then do it. I will be dead and game will be yours

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I just really dont like the wagon that formed right after you the way it did, Math. Even when inside of me, I do feel like there's the potential for GalronScum, I can't bring myself to do it. And if they are the one faded, and flip scum, I'll take the heat.


If they flip town, I'm power towning hard tomorrow with a vengeance. Be forewarned.

Then do it. I will be dead and game will be yours

you wouldnt need to die.

but yeah, i chose my action, i wont be voting.

And when Galron flips red you will die the next day.

I gotta go

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I'm looking at the last few pages trying to process. It just looks like VP was a hit and the other wagons are BS? I think Galron is the most likely to flip scum of the counterwagons and Galron has also been a frequent mislim target in my games with him.

Galron is not a miselim

I agree VP was a hit
VP defended Galron’s crappy “Math is a TR” post when he knew I was a mason. He was faking reads.

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This is so frustrating

VP what should I do?

I think just let today play out. Playing the long game is probably more important.

Is this as easy as VP Galron Yeet Boon? Lmao

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VOTE: Galron E-1

i think this is better than malcolm.

Scummy

Towny as we need an elim.

Anyone not hammering is sus.

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This town is absolutely destroyed

This scum is absolutely destroyed

Hammer please

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Why am I even here, what’s the point, why do I even say anything. I shouldn’t have said anything if I knew I was going to be completely ineffectual

Welcome to how I feel most games.

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VOTE: Galron E-1

i think this is better than malcolm.

I agree it's better than Malcolm.

I'm looking at the last few pages trying to process. It just looks like VP was a hit and the other wagons are BS? I think Galron is the most likely to flip scum of the counterwagons and Galron has also been a frequent mislim target in my games with him.

Galron is not a miselim

I agree VP was a hit
VP defended Galron’s crappy “Math is a TR” post when he knew I was a mason. He was faking reads.

LOL is that how scum!Galron plays?

This is so frustrating

VP what should I do?

I think just let today play out. Playing the long game is probably more important.

Is this as easy as VP Galron Yeet Boon? Lmao

If both VP and Yeet are scum my ego is going to SOAR

And I think they both are here.

We need an elim

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This is so frustrating

VP what should I do?

I think just let today play out. Playing the long game is probably more important.

Is this as easy as VP Galron Yeet Boon? Lmao

The thought that this would even cross your mind is astounding to me, and you entertaining it as an actual solve makes me feel like you’ve never played mafia before

Actually this solve would make a lot of sense with the HEM kill since HEM was more susp of Yeet D1 than Math was.

And I have been working off a combo of HEM and my own

I was resistant to VP at first but warmed to it and VP was a scumread of HEM.

I just needed time

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VOTE: Galron E-1

i think this is better than malcolm.

Scummy

is it too late to yeet yeet

Yes and Galron is better as it displays Yeet’s alignment as they’re probably the same

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Oh Yeet is probably making obvtown moves right now. Your on the naughty list Save The Dragons for shading Yeet

That’s not obvTown moves Cape

It’s desperation and NAI

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VP was a scumread of HEM.

Haha what? HEM and I were pretty synced up end of D1.

Anyhow, we can talk about this tomorrow. Lim Malcom or me.

Or we can elim Galron

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VOTE: Galron E-1

i think this is better than malcolm.

Scummy

is it too late to yeet yeet

VOTE: Yeet

Yeet Yeet

No…
Just no

We don’t have the time and Galron red supports Yeet red

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Is it really worth it to soft claim an inno on Gal?

That’s not though
Yeet said it’s not 100%

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Is it really worth it to soft claim an inno on Gal?

no

It’s also not one

And if it was one you don’t wait for less than 24 hrs

Galron is scum and we’re elimming him