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Sure, what did Wu do?In post 308, Nero Cain wrote:sheep me on Wu VP. saves u from readingYOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Are you no duhing me?In post 311, fua wrote:
19 people.In post 307, VP Baltar wrote:Oh hello 13 pages. Is this game serious already?YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Can you give me specifics of what you're seeing there?In post 318, tenebrousluminary wrote:Furthermore, in the bottom of 266, they treat me like they know I am town.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Good news is I'm town!
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Sorry, I had work shit.In post 337, Datisi wrote:baltar, this cliffhanger sucks, 1/10
Bad news is I'm ascetic.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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I haven't read the game yet and likely won't get a chance to until late today. I was sleepy sleeping when it started and I have a lot of work to do today.In post 360, Datisi wrote:do you gave any of those thoughts on the game? you've been pretty lowkey so far
So I have no thoughts of substance to add yet.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Isn't town's biggest power early in large games driving dueling wagons? That's how you get good info for future use. Why do you think we should focus on one and not the other here?In post 375, Aristeia wrote:I think we should consolidate on one of HEM/Tenebro to push pressure and advance game state rather than splittingYOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Same same.In post 426, Aristeia wrote:because I want to kill bad people
But killing baddies AND getting info to kill more baddies is where it is at, imo.
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I just finished reading through page 10, so I'm still in catch up. Here is kind of what I have for reads out of that so far:
Town:
Frogsterking- early attack on Yeet over game delay is tinfoil I'd expect from town FK
Yeet- wild noob read after wild noob read. Somewhat question if Yeet is not an alt though, in which case maybe this means nothing.
fireisredsir- has independent thought, calling out post 116 as bad is good. Also seems to not mind poking people, which I appreciate.
skitter30- Kind of like their pressure on Datisi, but think the over defense of tenesbro is unwarranted. This is probably closer to a null read than a townread in terms of confidence, but I like that she is mixing it up.
Cape90- probably town for finding frogster town and asking pretty open questions.
Ari- I like her pressure and vote on monkey when he was being kind of ridiculous.
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DeasVail- commenting, but not doing a ton. Maybe lean townish.
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fua- I find the hard scum read of tenesbro a little contrived, and possibly piling on to a popular opinion in thread.
monkey- The whole intereaction with ari looks like monkey got over confident with a poke and couldn't explain the position.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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In post 258, tenebrousluminary wrote:
I don't remember doing this. What do you mean?In post 248, fua wrote:I scumread Tenebro hard based on 116 and the attempt to defuse suspicion by essentially saying it’s just a bandwagonIn post 259, fua wrote:“I’m so popular, everyone is looking at me” is basically a degradation of the reason to actually suspect you and dismisses it as a trend rather than a veritable case.In post 260, tenebrousluminary wrote:I am not sure how you got that idea from what I wrote, but okay.
It would be difficult for me to think any case against me had merit when I know it to be wrong.
Fua looks objectively terrible in this exchange, and isn't even scumreading Tenesbro's 116 for the correct reason (which is that reads like pocketing of Yeet.)In post 261, fua wrote:Yes, but I would think you would at least go and defend your position or acknowledge the votes on you. Your playstyle so far has been very dismissive and I find that that typically comes from scum.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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I don't think that's an unreasonable argument for skitter to make fwiw. Something of that nature is much more likely to happen in pages 2-3 than it is to happen in pages 52-53.In post 346, Datisi wrote:like, what's your idea here? that scum!me panicked, made a random vote that i had no idea how to justify because i thought i wouldn't get asked about it?? then when, surprise, did get asked about it, i only then started thinking about a justification?? like you know better than this...
Not sure I fully agree it makes you scum here, but I don't think skitter is being that unreasonable because your vote did seem a little BS in its level of certitude.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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who is scum?In post 508, humaneatingmonkey wrote:even the "absence" and "ghosting" that she claims i did was another one of those accusations you make as scum because you have nothing else as ammo.
dude, it's been barely a day.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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It means I think your takes on the games so far are kind of bad, but also wholesome and I don't think you are scum.In post 535, Yeet wrote:
I am not sure what this entire sentence means.In post 523, VP Baltar wrote:Yeet - wild noob read after wild noob read. Somewhat question if Yeet is not an alt though, in which case maybe this means nothing.
I am alt of an account that I would prefer not to disclose. I have played a few games on this site. I don't believe I've played with anyone here, unless I one of them is/has an alt that I played with.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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You accused him of saying something he didn't say in the post you referenced. He asks for an explanation, then you doubled down on it anyway when it was clear you misread the game or at the very least misstated what you were saying.In post 568, fua wrote:
How is it objectively terrible? What am I supposed to do instead? I brought new ideas to the table regarding Tenebro because he's a genuine scumread of mine. I think recent posts show that he's a little more likely to be noob town including Wu's opinion on him, so I'd like to see how you find it scummy.In post 544, VP Baltar wrote:In post 258, tenebrousluminary wrote:
I don't remember doing this. What do you mean?In post 248, fua wrote:I scumread Tenebro hard based on 116 and the attempt to defuse suspicion by essentially saying it’s just a bandwagonIn post 259, fua wrote:“I’m so popular, everyone is looking at me” is basically a degradation of the reason to actually suspect you and dismisses it as a trend rather than a veritable case.In post 260, tenebrousluminary wrote:I am not sure how you got that idea from what I wrote, but okay.
It would be difficult for me to think any case against me had merit when I know it to be wrong.
Fua looks objectively terrible in this exchange, and isn't even scumreading Tenesbro's 116 for the correct reason (which is that reads like pocketing of Yeet.)In post 261, fua wrote:Yes, but I would think you would at least go and defend your position or acknowledge the votes on you. Your playstyle so far has been very dismissive and I find that that typically comes from scum.
That's not genuine interaction. My read of it is you saw a semi-popular target and piled on with contrived reasons.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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I've already stated why I think fua is scummy and it wasn't for that. So no, that's just a silly thing to say.In post 609, DeasVail wrote:
Do you think this statement from fua has alignment implications?In post 576, VP Baltar wrote:
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I highly doubt all the scum are fluff posting. This seems to be the only criteria you are looking at in your hunting. You're better than this!In post 641, Nero Cain wrote:I want Yeet and Fire and Scorpious and Nordom deadYOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Except for Fire there I guess, but fire is good posting, so that's like clearly wrong.In post 684, VP Baltar wrote:
I highly doubt all the scum are fluff posting. This seems to be the only criteria you are looking at in your hunting. You're better than this!In post 641, Nero Cain wrote:I want Yeet and Fire and Scorpious and Nordom deadYOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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so you think ari and datisi are scum buddies here? idgiIn post 642, humaneatingmonkey wrote:why do you think ari and i are tvt? i came out of that scumreading ari.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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I see you also enjoy bad takes.In post 677, Nordom wrote:How has Yeet's takes been bad? His TvT with Ari and Monkey read was good.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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uh...In post 687, Nordom wrote:Does scum-reading two players equate to having to team them, especially this early in the game?YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Bad take.
Town read frog here, sure maybe. confirmed town? bad takeIn post 54, Yeet wrote:Frogsterking is confirmed town to me. I will not accept any vote on Frogsterking.
based on what? bad takeIn post 68, Yeet wrote:Save the Dragons is also town.
lol voting skitter for going after dats when you say you're scumreading dats? I don't even know what to make of that.In post 112, Yeet wrote:
skitter30, I don’t believe you are being consistent in your explanation.In post 83, skitter30 wrote:After readinf 71 multiple times, i actually dont think i got any clarity from it >.>
Why is it more believeable that me/dats would townbin you than for yeet to do the same thing?
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In other words i'm saying what dats has done thus far is neither townie nor scummy for him
I don’t believe that you would say that you’re not sure why people think Datisi is scum when you know exactly how he plays and believe this to be his town self.
You are assuming that we know him implicitly there. We do not know Datisi, so why would you expect us to have the same opinion on him with your knowledge?
You would’ve simply said that Datisi’s posts are “NAI”, without the part where you’re “not sure why people dislike him”.
It doesn’t make sense, it’s not a real read, and your approach to this whole thing feels like it’s not coming from a genuine solving headspace - rather it was feeble attempt to provide content and you felt the urge to white knight him.
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again not reading the thread well. bad take.In post 170, Yeet wrote:“yes and no. i'm used to there being meme wagons on me early game, especially from people that don't really know me.“
Datisi do you think I am meme-pushing you? Is that why you feel rather unaffected by my push on you? I can assure you that I am not memeing with this push on you.
Not saying everything Yeet has done is bad or noob, but there is a lot of nonsense in that iso.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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whoops forgot to quote the post I was responding to.In post 681, DeasVail wrote:
I agree with this post. I’m a bit wary of anyone dismissing Yeet’s opinions as bad or newb. I think there are some errors of comprehension here and there, just as we all are prone to, but a lot of the thought processes have actually resonated quite strongly with me.In post 677, Nordom wrote:How has Yeet's takes been bad? His TvT with Ari and Monkey read was good.
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If you were more experienced I'd be more suspicious you have an agenda with something like that putrid skitter vote.In post 695, Yeet wrote:Okay VPB you think I’m bad/noob - what does my alignment have to do with me being an alt or not?YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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I can see where you are coming from in the sense that we have zero information to go on and a person could be hunting various potential options at this point.In post 694, Nordom wrote:Yeah, no I get it. "Well, there's a scum team, so naturally scum reads means the two reads have to be teamed". My point is this early in the game you can scum read two people and the thought of "Well, they're teamed" doesn't have to be a necessity.
However, datisi is who HEM is voting, and he had like a 10 page spat with Ari. Those aren't exactly mild potential reads and if he isn't at least considering them on a team with that level of reads, then I have serious questions how those reads make sense.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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You don't have to solve the whole scum team for it to not make sense. At that point, I believe you were still having datisi as your top scum read. You then went after skitter for going after datisi because of semantics or whatever.In post 698, Yeet wrote:And yes, I can scumread both skitter and Datisi (at the time) but argue skitter is more likely to be scum in a world where Datisi is town. I am nowhere near confident enough yet to starting solving the whole scumteam, and I don’t think anyone should be really. One of My goals today is to find at least one person today who I think is a >rand elimination.
It's a bit grabbing at straws, but I don't think there was malice on your part so it's whatever.
I'm not trying to diminish your play or tell you how to play the game. You do you. It's just the kind of grabbing at the next shiny thing less experienced players sometimes do without thinking "does this make sense with how I was feeling previously about other players in the game".YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Null right now. I thought skitter had some fair points datisi was being overly defensive about, but that could also be NAI.In post 700, Yeet wrote:VPB, what is your read on Datisi? You don’t mention it in readslist but I do see you taking issue with my early scumread of him.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Datisi is asleep for several more hours I thinkIn post 704, Nordom wrote:
Uh, Daitisi I guess, but I'm waiting for them respond.In post 701, tenebrousluminary wrote:Nordom, who is scum?YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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The game is 28 pages...is that early reads?In post 707, Nordom wrote:VP, is it your usual modus opreandi to give out early reads like you did as town?
Overall, I find it helpful when I have a big catch up like that to take notes and sort how I feel about people. I just decided to post my hip-shot notes in thread. I wouldn't take most of those as set in stone right now, since as you can see there are a number of people I didn't get strong enough reactions from to even list.
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Huh? I don't think datisi is universally unpopular.In post 708, Yeet wrote:It is interesting that Datisi is pretty much universally very unpopular today (except in Aristeia’s eyes, but I worry she may be biased. Nevertheless I am still keeping her opinion very much in mind because I presume she knows him well).
Is he normally this unpopular at gamestart?YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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I don't mind changing my reads if something shifts for me.In post 713, Nordom wrote:Well, for me personally I don't like committing to alignment reads unless I'm sure certain. But, I can see the logic in a player taking slip-shod notes as they re-read.
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Who do you have as scum again?In post 719, Nordom wrote:Actually, I'm not too sold on fua being outright scum eitherYOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Being real with you, it's unlikely I ever support a D1 Datisi wagon.In post 715, Yeet wrote:I think we should mount the pressure on Datisi sooner rather than later.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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That's it? HmmmmIn post 722, Nordom wrote:
Daitsi, as I said. Was it easy to miss my reply a page ago or what?In post 720, VP Baltar wrote:
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That doesn't sound made up at all. A thing that wasn't said in thread and that no one but you saw.In post 728, fua wrote:It was literally implied in the way he went about it. Of course he didn't say it verbatim, but with the tone and manner of which it was gone about he might as well have.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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That doesn't seem like pressuring monkey as you say. When datisi pressures people, it's quite clearIn post 731, Nordom wrote:
Well, he didn't take a hard-stance in outright calling him scum, but he certainly felt the need to give little "snacks for thought" regarding monkey without committing himself fully.In post 729, VP Baltar wrote:Datisi pressured monkey? I honestly felt like he didn't take a strong position on that exchange.
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Well, those aren't the same thing for one....In post 736, Nordom wrote:Pressure, throwing shade, what does it matter?YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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How is general wu the most controversial today? Nero talked about him fluff posting a lot, which is pretty whatever.In post 738, fua wrote:I think him not mentioning where he stands on GeneralWu is a little weird considering he's been one of the most controversial out so far today
Not sure how that is controversial.
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Haha OK. Make sure you announce it so it looks naturalIn post 754, Nordom wrote:If Datisi's replies in a satisfactory manner, I'm switching my vote to VP.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Why do you keep saying this when it is not true? Do you think wu is scum btw?In post 832, Nordom wrote:You haven't noted Wu, who has been this game's popular lynch and push of the game.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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I mean open minded questions. You don't seem to have an agenda in what you're asking, more trying to determine why people are doing the things they are doing.In post 842, Cape90 wrote:what is a pretty open question? What does that read even mean?YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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What was safe about them?In post 853, Nordom wrote:
I'm not one to discount a player to give preliminary reads on a re-read, but his reads were just too safe. There's nothing aggressive about them, other than projecting him as a "well-meaning" town player.In post 850, skitter30 wrote:
Also why dont you like vp?In post 754, Nordom wrote:If Datisi's replies in a satisfactory manner, I'm switching my vote to VP.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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What made you post this?In post 862, fua wrote:Datisi night actualky be scum, though. I need to look at that slot again.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Hard agree on this. That and him using people's level of discussion of General Wu as his main metric for scumreading people is weird.In post 884, DeasVail wrote:Nordom is playing. There is clear activity, and lots of asking questions of other players, but most of these actually appear rather pointless.
If wu did flip red, I'd be looking at Wu as TMIing there.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Which new ideas?In post 894, fua wrote:He's bringing new ideas to the table and actually seems reasonable, which is a bit of a rarity right now.
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You didn't remember that skitter was going after datisi?In post 893, fua wrote:
I said I disagreed with her scumreads which I thought were wrong, went back to check if she was SRing anyone else and noticed she was voting Datisi.In post 891, VP Baltar wrote:
What made you post this?In post 862, fua wrote:Datisi night actualky be scum, though. I need to look at that slot again.YOUR AD HERE - VP Baltar
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