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getting people engaged in talking about thr game delay and who may be scum as a result of it is directly counterproductive to scumhunting bc it's dumb and is not going to result in anything usefulIn post 47, Frogsterking wrote:
42 fireisred trying to shut down scumhunting during start of day notedIn post 42, fireisredsir wrote:VOTE: frogsterking for making the first thread of serious conversation in this game be a really dumb one
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no offense meant, new isn't bad. but when the way you are approaching and interacting with the game doesn't line up with how i would think an experienced player would, it could be cause you feel awkward and have trouble engaging genuinely as maf.In post 91, Frogsterking wrote:
Shade or curious?In post 87, fireisredsir wrote:why does frogster sound so NEW, it's weird vibes for a 2011 join date
but on the other hand, if you are more new (and looks like you don't have a ton of games played actually) then it makes you make more sense to me- fireisredsir
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i have more experience with chat mafia but have some forum experience tooIn post 94, tenebrousluminary wrote:
You give off an impression of being experienced yourself, yet seemingly are not?In post 87, fireisredsir wrote:why does frogster sound so NEW, it's weird vibes for a 2011 join date- fireisredsir
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"no one (who is) currently posting"In post 113, GeneralWu wrote:
We're getting like 3 posts a minute.In post 110, DeasVail wrote:tbh no one currently posting is causing great concern for me
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this is scumIn post 116, tenebrousluminary wrote:Yeet seems trustworthy and makes a good point. But I think I'll stick with my vote for now.
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i mean yours right after was kind of similar... the vibes aren't as bad but stillIn post 122, DeasVail wrote:
yeah that was not a great postIn post 119, fireisredsir wrote:
this is scumIn post 116, tenebrousluminary wrote:Yeet seems trustworthy and makes a good point. But I think I'll stick with my vote for now.
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huh? deas was agreeing with me that the tene post was bad, i was saying that theirs was similar. there was no push on meIn post 127, Yeet wrote: This post feels salty. Like the kind of salty you feel to push back at someone for the sake of it when someone pushes at you. Whether or not it’s scummy I can’t say for sure. In fact it may be towny.- fireisredsir
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you both said you liked yeet's post but took no real position on what it actually meant. it's just weakly engaging, looks like content but doesn't say anything, and possibly some light pocketing. tene's was phrased more awkwardly but they're also newer than you, so mehIn post 132, DeasVail wrote:What was similar about it? What didn't you like about tenebro's post?- fireisredsir
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163 is not towny, fluff is not discussion. i don't think it's very scummy either but maf has more motivation to try to make friends than town doesIn post 194, Frogsterking wrote:
I think 136 and 163 are more likely to come from town because they're unassuming and open up lines of discussion!In post 183, GeneralWu wrote:
DangIn post 178, Frogsterking wrote:Okay following 163 I feel compelled to share wu is a townlean for me unironically.
Well folks, I think my work here is done.
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if maf is able to buddy up with a town then the town will be less likely to vote them. town doesn't care as much about making people less likely to vote them, it can be good to have town friends to work together with, but its a lesser concern imo.In post 206, Frogsterking wrote:Huh do you mind elaborating why maf have more motivation to make friends than town? I'm going for a walk but I'll be back soon.
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In post 221, humaneatingmonkey wrote:im interested in you, a person who has a readlist with minimal interaction thus far and a blatant buddy attempt
the progression here feels like backing off, in a kinda sus wayIn post 224, humaneatingmonkey wrote:ah, what i mean is i'm generally more interested in your thought process.- fireisredsir
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cape has kinda somewhat similar reads to me and thus he is correct in them and thus he is town
there's like 6 people who haven't posted yet so it's not too out there to believe that most of the people posting so far could be town. i may even go so far as to say that yeet might have been wrong in 66- fireisredsir
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is that a challengeIn post 297, GeneralWu wrote:I'm not gonna get defenestrated this early anyway :O- fireisredsir
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i like the directions that fua and nero are looking so far, but after some research wu looks exaaaactly like he did in newbie 2073 so im less interested in that for now. tene and monkey i am more on board with- fireisredsir
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dearest me, ive forgotten my interrobang!In post 319, Nero Cain wrote:
did the rest of your post get cut off or something?In post 317, fireisredsir wrote:
is that a challengeIn post 297, GeneralWu wrote:I'm not gonna get defenestrated this early anyway :O- fireisredsir
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is there really that much coaching on this site? if it were me id just let him run wild and look as newb-town-y as he wants. i think he is more likely town but idk if that's whyIn post 350, fua wrote:Frogster reads too much like newb town for me to bother suspecting him D1. I can see the reasoning but I don’t think scum would make/allow their teammate to make that level of blunder when it comes to handling Yeet. Townreading Wu for activity isn’t out of the question for a newbie either.- fireisredsir
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hey it's me, i don't know who monkey is and i scumread that slot. is there a reason i shouldn't? i skimmed a few past games and nothing changed my mind much in either directionIn post 351, Datisi wrote:if i didn't know who monkey was, i'd scumread the shit out of that slot - but unless he has massively fallen out of shape, i'm just puzzled at his play here.- fireisredsir
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this is p much my take too. he's often fluffy, i don't think it's very AI, i don't think there's a ton to learn from how he responds to pressure based on past games either, and there's other more interesting things to look atIn post 397, Aristeia wrote:also I'm not really keen on scumreading someone for being fluffy this early as opposed to like actively scummy people.- fireisredsir
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also nero was this not you trying to consolidate wagons?In post 333, Nero Cain wrote:would someone just tell me who we are going to kick off the island, monkey or Wu? I need to know where to focus my energy!- fireisredsir
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not even really datisi, he said monkey was scummy and that he was willing to vote there. just that the play was confusing based on past experiencesIn post 409, tenebrousluminary wrote:Ah, it's just Datisi, isn't it?- fireisredsir
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no, im relaxed yet sassy, didn't you hearIn post 414, Nero Cain wrote:you're scum aren't you?
can you answer tho what is different in attitudes between that and what ari said- fireisredsir
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based on what i know (admittedly not much) about skitter and datisi from a couple past games that i read some of, this seems like a weird thing to pick out. you really think that this point makes datisi scummy?In post 440, skitter30 wrote:- this in some ways reads like an OmGUS-y reaction to them voting you a few posts prior- fireisredsir
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i know it was in jest but i don't see how that makes it any different. actually, i think i would, as a rule, generally see a "i want to do this thing but haha I'm joking about it" as more scummy than "I want to do this thing and I'm serious about it". in this situation i don't really see either as scummy but you calling out ari for it reminded me that you had expressed what looked like a similar attitude, so it was weird to me that you would call that out.In post 450, Nero Cain wrote:as a more serious response, at the time Wu and Monkey were my top scumreads, and it's who I wanted dead and I can only tunnel one at a time. Mine was said in mostly jet but Ari's was a serious request. Also was not a fan of your deflect
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this is what i was seeing w.r.t. skitter making that point about you. like... really? i both thought that skitter was better than that and also that they would think that you are better than that. so idk where i land on this situation, but it's weirdIn post 451, Datisi wrote:wait no i rember
this is like, again, ignoring the basics of how i play scum and how much i plan things through and how much i value having an explainable thought process about my posts and votes and etcIn post 446, skitter30 wrote:I'm saying that it looked like a snap-reaction to a vote on him that he has no good reasoning for, yes
so like the idea that i would snap vote someone because lol haha omgus and not have a reason read why i'm voting them and then go back later on to try to retcon it is like bonkers, and i don't believe skitter like, actually believes that's how i play lol- fireisredsir
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how is 219 dodging the question?In post 525, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Do you think the readlist was genuine at the time it was made and do you think the response when I asked her to elaborate her reads were unsuspicious? I read it as dodging questions with an OMGUS. Check that part of the thread again.
"sure which one are you interested in?"
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i don't know monkey well enough to know if he would be over-aggressive and bluff as town, but his other behavior looks scummy enough to me that I am comfortable reading this as fitting in line with thatIn post 538, Yeet wrote:
Bluffy in a scum way or a town way or equally likely to be either?In post 524, fireisredsir wrote:have kind of a hard time believing that monkey really thinks there's no way ari and datisi can be town here. this aggressive posturing feels a bit bluff-y to me- fireisredsir
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yeah, don't worry, i read it. a town would question a readlist because they see something about it that looks off. a scum would question a readlist because they know it's early in the game and so it's an easy thing to pick on. when you questioned her on a readlist, she wanted to see what prompted you to question it (and was clearly very willing to answer your questions if you had them). you kind of slid around that, and said you were interested in her overall thought process. she gave you another chance, asking what read specifically. you didn't have an answer.In post 543, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
check the joke dismissal she makes after i make it clear that i'm interested in her slot, not her reads.In post 537, fireisredsir wrote:that sounds like directly engaging with your question
that makes it clear that you were questioning the readlist not due to anything you saw that felt off about it, but just because you felt like "the whole thing was bullshit". that looks way more like a scum approach than a town approach, and she rightly called you out for that- fireisredsir
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what about the read list made you question it? i feel like that is a simple question that is at the crux of this debate and you still haven't given an answer to itIn post 562, humaneatingmonkey wrote:this is blatant framing. there isn't an easy prescribed behavior for how town or scum should react on a bullshit readlist. a town can easy question a readslist because it's an easy thing to get reads on.- fireisredsir
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he wasn't guns blazing. he was kind of nice about it actually, in a way that felt weird if it was a genuine suspicion, in 224. he came back to the thread guns blazing now, yes, but that's a different situation.In post 585, Yeet wrote:The more I think about it, the more I just don't think scum HEM would decide to enter going guns blazing at Aristeia, of all people, who seems to be reacting to this in a very OMGUSy way (not that it's scum indicative). I assume there is history between the two from what I have read, and I would never as scum just attack someone like that flippantly who I know has a high chance of OMGUSing back at me.
I just don't see the scum motivation here.
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ye I'm not saying only scum do it, but yeet was saying scum would neverIn post 608, Nero Cain wrote:town get into heated 1v1's too. Is HEM being overly agressive. maybe- fireisredsir
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i don't think it was his agenda to start. if he's scum he probably was just poking at something that he thought was easy to poke at. when he came back today though i think he 100% had an agenda, whether he is scum or town, and that was to be way more aggressive and confident than he had any right to be, because from what I gather, he is pretty comfortable in that playstyle as either alignmentIn post 614, Yeet wrote:I still feel it's a big stretch to say scum!HEM's scum agenda here is to get into a 1v1 with Aristeia to avoid doing real stuff in the thread and get townread for 1v1ing her. I think that's just a ridiculous agenda that doesn't make sense to me.- fireisredsir
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that's exactly the point, though. if he noticed something in particular as town, then he would have been able to point out a read that looked off. that was why ari prompted him for one. he's made it clear since then that he did not notice something in particular, he just thought that it was too early to have a read listIn post 616, Yeet wrote:It's more likely to me that he saw noticed something in particular as town and didn't care about how the possible interaction would unfold.- fireisredsir
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@neroIn post 476, fireisredsir wrote:what do you think i was deflecting?- fireisredsir
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yours, i was replying to nero. "who's he, nordrom?" = "who are you referring to, do you mean nordrom?"In post 665, Nordom wrote:
Who's posts? Whaaa?In post 664, fireisredsir wrote:who's he, nordrom? he could be, his posts are bad. i thought you were talking in general tho since me and yeet are also 2022s- fireisredsir
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In post 668, Nordom wrote:What's so bad about my posts, chief?
just like... feels like you're picking out the wrong things to care about. your brief back and forth with nero was weird ("why'd you vote?" "why'd you tell me why you voted?" "why were you honest?" "oh i didn't mean you should lie") and you just kinda sound awkward most of the time. im not sure it makes you maf but it doesn't look goodIn post 673, Nordom wrote:Bad as in maf or town. If I'm posting posting shit as town, then that would be easy to figure out, right?- fireisredsir
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can you clarify what you mean by this sentence, i don't know if I'm interpreting it correctlyIn post 790, Nordom wrote:It's not as effective as "calculated" responses, but it's easy to get a town-tell read from, which I do at this point- fireisredsir
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what about the other part of the sentenceIn post 797, Nordom wrote:
What I mean by "calculated" is, in this context, being well-thought out and with precision. Precision to attack points with counter-arguments clearly and concisely.In post 793, fireisredsir wrote:
can you clarify what you mean by this sentence, i don't know if I'm interpreting it correctlyIn post 790, Nordom wrote:It's not as effective as "calculated" responses, but it's easy to get a town-tell read from, which I do at this point- fireisredsir
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nah your reason for townreading monkey was bs, and it looks like you're refusing to commit any more words to it to avoid digging yourself a deeper hole because you know it's bs. and nah the cocky attitude isn't going to stop me from voting youIn post 809, Nordom wrote:Nah, what? Is this your "gut-read" push here, fire?- fireisredsir
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because as i said i wanted to give you a chance to clarify your words to see if I was misinterpreting. or if I wasn't, so that you would spell it out more clearly and commit to your reasoning. your refusal to do so is telling. like i said tho, it's not really that important of a point, i think you're maf for other things as wellIn post 819, Nordom wrote:
Then why didn't you just say that from the start? It took you voting me after all those replies to finally say that?In post 816, fireisredsir wrote:
nah your reason for townreading monkey was bs, and it looks like you're refusing to commit any more words to it to avoid digging yourself a deeper hole because you know it's bs. and nah the cocky attitude isn't going to stop me from voting youIn post 809, Nordom wrote:Nah, what? Is this your "gut-read" push here, fire?- fireisredsir
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huh? no, why would i think that? i think that monkey was not making an honest read of the situationIn post 842, Cape90 wrote:
This begs the question of then do you think all 3 are mafia based off of this?In post 524, fireisredsir wrote:have kind of a hard time believing that monkey really thinks there's no way ari and datisi can be town here. this aggressive posturing feels a bit bluff-y to me- fireisredsir
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lmao, this is like a day 6 endgame level paranoia and we're only 36 hours in. the legends are true...In post 921, Datisi wrote:if you're scum, obviously you want me to townread you. but, you know that those tiny bits of my "things that town!vp does" list won't help you because we both know they're on that list. bUT ALSO, you know that i know that. so now i'm like, would scum!baltar purposefully drop these little hints, *knowing* that i'm gonna notice them and start losing sleep over them, in order to get into my head?- fireisredsir
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i saw this too, when they did the cocky "mmhmmm" thing with skitter after a terrible argument they were super quick afterwards to be like "but don't worry i townread skitter" bc skitter is apparently kinda scaryIn post 950, MalcolmTucker wrote:Reading through Nordom's style, I dunno if this is how they usually play it, but it also feels like there's a weird mix of some absolute statements and suspicions mixed with a lot of tentative questions directed at other players like their conviction stance on Datisi. A bit like they're content to be forceful and pushy with some players but not with others. - fireisredsir
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