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I wasn't planning to, no.In post 3365, VP Baltar wrote:
You going to answer this tenebros?In post 3357, VP Baltar wrote:
Discredit him how? By calling his points bad and explaining why? What, specifically, do you think I have not addressed that should be?In post 3355, tenebrousluminary wrote:Save 2807, those seem like mainly just trying to discredit him to me, but okay- tenebrousluminary
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The question is asking for a lot of effort and I would rather just drop the topic than give it.In post 3394, Scorpious wrote:
is there a reason you are refusing or are you just saying: "no, I will not answer this" ?In post 3388, tenebrousluminary wrote:I wasn't planning to, no.- tenebrousluminary
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Okay, then it's because I'm making shit up and don't have actual reasons for what I'm saying. Congratulations on winning the argument!In post 3398, VP Baltar wrote:
It's not a lot of effort for me to ask you to give me specifics instead of generalizations that are shading me. It's only a lot of effort if you're making shit up and don't have actual reasons for what you're saying.In post 3396, tenebrousluminary wrote:
The question is asking for a lot of effort and I would rather just drop the topic than give it.In post 3394, Scorpious wrote:
is there a reason you are refusing or are you just saying: "no, I will not answer this" ?In post 3388, tenebrousluminary wrote:I wasn't planning to, no.- tenebrousluminary
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I am experiencing a lack of confidence again.
I hate that I have been so OMGUS-driven this game yet I see Deas unvoting and can't help but want to reconsider.
I feel better about a handful of townreads than any scumreads. Scorp, Nero, fire, Cape are all town to me. That provides some grounding. April's posts have felt good as well.
I still suspect VP and Yeet. I do not have a good reason for this. But feeling less gung ho about everything in general.
As I peruse the player list, Eyes jumps out as someone I should investigate more.
I am aware that this post involves me both bringing up a boring lurker suspicion and returning to lower confidence at a time when that might look convenient. I hereby decree that this self-aware line makes it okay.- tenebrousluminary
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You seem experienced enough to know that "wah, no case" is a classic scum defense, and yet.In post 3587, VP Baltar wrote:
There's no actual case. That's the most compelling case for not eliminating me.In post 3583, DeasVail wrote:April, looking through Malcolm and VP, I would feel better about eliminating VP at this point. Was there a particularly compelling reason you had for not eliminating VP? Apologies if I've missed it.
I'm fairly-annoyed at how badly town is playing here, but will try to answer questions before this laziness slumps toward my elim, which is what is happening.- tenebrousluminary
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You are making this out like Nero is being dishonest, but he is allowed to scumread an action you've taken on own.In post 3654, Eyes without a face wrote:
Perfect. So I'm scum irregardless of whatever VPB's alignment is?In post 3645, Nero Cain wrote:I don't care what your read of him is but there should be a progression and a lack of progression makes you look informed whether its that you know that he's town or that he's your buddy and you are expressing a town read on him so you don't have to vote him.- tenebrousluminary
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If I may contribute another reason to my case for Scorp town, I do not think as scum he would have reacted to my defending him by questioning my motives. He needed allies at that time and I think he would have just taken it.In post 3725, April Ludgate wrote:My way too early prediction theory right now is:
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I think he could be scum, not feeling it super strongly. I think he likes to hide behind a veneer of reasonability that makes it hard for me to read him in either direction, and you have some good points, and his "wah, no case" defense is no less unconvincing than when VP did it. So I'm planning to stick with my VP vote, but I am not mad there is a malcolm wagon at all.In post 3775, April Ludgate wrote:
Noted. Yeah, I had scorp town for a while too, so it's really a POE slot for me.In post 3772, tenebrousluminary wrote:
If I may contribute another reason to my case for Scorp town, I do not think as scum he would have reacted to my defending him by questioning my motives. He needed allies at that time and I think he would have just taken it.In post 3725, April Ludgate wrote:My way too early prediction theory right now is:
Malcolm, Fire, Scorpius, Skitter slot
What're your thoughts on Malcolm?- tenebrousluminary
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She is solving. Not exactly rocket science to piece together why she isn't getting votes.In post 3806, MalcolmTucker wrote:Like why is April's slot under so little pressure? It was heavily pushed on day one, Ari left the game, April came in, argued they weren't mafia based on their lack of posting, despite being a replace-in, then accused me and admitted they had no clue as to what was actually going on in the game while doing so, and yet has stuck to that wagon since. It's just such a nonsense case and it's ridiculous town are even contemplating it at the moment.- tenebrousluminary
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Why would she be desperate?In post 3812, MalcolmTucker wrote:
Not until April posted regularly - I've stated before I thought Ari seemed genuine because I didn't think mafia would pressure the masons so hard, but April's read of me has been so weak and incoherent that I feel like it's borderline desperate mafia trying to build a case against someone else with little to go on.In post 3809, DeasVail wrote:
Did you ever pressure the slot?In post 3806, MalcolmTucker wrote:Like why is April's slot under so little pressure? It was heavily pushed on day one, Ari left the game, April came in, argued they weren't mafia based on their lack of posting, despite being a replace-in, then accused me and admitted they had no clue as to what was actually going on in the game while doing so, and yet has stuck to that wagon since. It's just such a nonsense case and it's ridiculous town are even contemplating it at the moment.
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He isn't actually, because that is hardly the main reasoning being used. Main pusher April does not even think that is what is happening.In post 3818, VP Baltar wrote:
Nero making actual senseIn post 3816, Nero Cain wrote:If the reasoning for Malcolm is that he's a partner with VP I'm not sure why we should stop voting VP?- tenebrousluminary
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It matches up with his desire for concrete points to rebut.In post 3838, DeasVail wrote:
Your intense focus on the viability of a you-VP mafia team is very curious!In post 3836, MalcolmTucker wrote:Look through my ISO and analyse all my mentions of VP if you want. It is fundamentally not the ISO of teammates, there is no need for me to so consistently suspect them at this point in the game.- tenebrousluminary
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I concur.In post 3875, DeasVail wrote:Good point, and that was a concern of mine too, since I think scum are more likely to want something solid to defend against
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TIL I'm mafia every game.In post 3880, VP Baltar wrote:
Mafia run from committing. Town are unafraid at the moment of limmingIn post 3874, fireisredsir wrote:
what kind of a question is this lmao? yes??? that's how mafia works?? everyone is always unsureIn post 3871, VP Baltar wrote:
So you always argue people are scum up to e-2 that you're unsure about? How unsure were you?In post 3865, fireisredsir wrote:
didn't say that lol. obv i was arguing you were scum before. but i wasn't convinced, i never amIn post 3857, VP Baltar wrote:Lol this guy says he isn't arguing I'm scum. Very unsure!- tenebrousluminary
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While we're on the subject I'd like to put it to any protective roles out there, real or otherwise, that if Math dies tonight you are scum, no excuses. Thank you for understanding.In post 3910, MathBlade wrote:Problem is I likely die tonight so it’s nothing like last game.- tenebrousluminary
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Aren't these two sentences opposites?In post 4030, Titus wrote:I try to read people by what they do as opposed to what they say. I care more about why than the what.- tenebrousluminary
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Probably because Math gunked up the game for 30 pages and made a lot of players not want to listen to him.In post 4031, Titus wrote:For instance, assuming Math is a mason, then why would scum shoot monkey over Math?
I don't mean this in a rude way, what he's doing now is fine.- tenebrousluminary
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He has not been adorable this game and I've provided several reasons I think he is town based on game actions. I do not blame you as much as you probably have not read my posts to that effect, but it really feels like we have scum on the ropes right now so I'm pretty sus of the motives of these sudden votes on not just a lurker, when we have some actually legit leads to pursue, but the towniest lurker.In post 4072, Titus wrote:I do. Scorpious struggles with content as scum and gets protected because he's adorable. He still wound up dying eventually but we won that game.- tenebrousluminary
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Deas and Fire have made some strong points about how VP's stated beliefs do not match up well with his actions. He is, in my opinion, also flailing and lashing out in response to pressure.
I am not as sure Malcolm is scum, but April has provided some reasons. He is hard to read and takes refuge in logic.
Both of them have responded to pressure by complaining there is no case, which I feel is scummy.- tenebrousluminary
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What is the case against Fire, since you insist cases are mandatory?In post 4106, VP Baltar wrote:
Get on this fire wagon.In post 4102, Enchant wrote:Let's flashwagon someone else.- tenebrousluminary
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What bad faith argument did I make? If you have been mischaracterized, you should be upset with Nero, not me.In post 4117, VP Baltar wrote:
Why are you even asking me questions if youre going to have bad faith arguments that are not even remotely accurate? Please stop wasting my time if you're conf biased or scum.In post 4115, tenebrousluminary wrote:He is scum, so that's less surprising.- tenebrousluminary
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According to you fire is scum, so the purpose of a misrep from him should be very apparent to you! Perhaps you forgot.In post 4123, VP Baltar wrote:
Incorrect. Keep shading though.In post 4120, fireisredsir wrote:5) VP kinda flips out and starts making repeated logical and comprehension errors
This is all in the thread and easy to read. Don't know what you think propaganda like this achieves.
I have been asked about this repeatedly. At this point, I'm going to say read my posts.In post 4124, Cape90 wrote:
no and whyIn post 4069, tenebrousluminary wrote:Scorp is town. Please stop getting distracted. We have at least one in VP/Malcolm.
It's fun. Everyone should join in.In post 4125, VP Baltar wrote:
Lol yeah, you and Nero shading me for an answer to your question that I did not give is certainly good faith on your part.In post 4122, tenebrousluminary wrote:
What bad faith argument did I make? If you have been mischaracterized, you should be upset with Nero, not me.In post 4117, VP Baltar wrote:
Why are you even asking me questions if youre going to have bad faith arguments that are not even remotely accurate? Please stop wasting my time if you're conf biased or scum.In post 4115, tenebrousluminary wrote:He is scum, so that's less surprising.
I was typing up a response to you, but ya had to get some shade in there before you even heard the answer.
I believe virtually all of my posts on the last three pages address what I think about that. Are you reading them?In post 4126, Cape90 wrote:tene what do you think about the flash vote on Scorpius and there being the fact there are still viable wagons on both Malcolm and VP Baltar?- tenebrousluminary
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So you decided not to post that response out of spite, or something? Awfully dismissive of you. And I'm told that is a grievous sin.In post 4125, VP Baltar wrote:
Lol yeah, you and Nero shading me for an answer to your question that I did not give is certainly good faith on your part.In post 4122, tenebrousluminary wrote:
What bad faith argument did I make? If you have been mischaracterized, you should be upset with Nero, not me.In post 4117, VP Baltar wrote:
Why are you even asking me questions if youre going to have bad faith arguments that are not even remotely accurate? Please stop wasting my time if you're conf biased or scum.In post 4115, tenebrousluminary wrote:He is scum, so that's less surprising.
I was typing up a response to you, but ya had to get some shade in there before you even heard the answer.- tenebrousluminary
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I am unsure what your point is. My view is that the Scorp wagon is bad and possibly includes scum trying to make a CW on town, even if they haven't entirely succeeded yet. Dragons and Titus being reasonably likely culprits.In post 4137, Cape90 wrote:
No I am literally asking you a specific question about theIn post 4130, tenebrousluminary wrote:I believe virtually all of my posts on the last three pages address what I think about that. Are you reading them?currentgamestate
The wagons on both Malcolm and VP are literally still there, in fact VP still leads in that department- tenebrousluminary
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Neg me harder.In post 4139, VP Baltar wrote:
Yeah, if town, you're very bad at this game, but I keep trying, so...In post 4135, tenebrousluminary wrote:Oh jesus that "decently likely" thing? That was such weak shit. I'm actually laughing irl that that's your brilliant case.
I won't deny that I am absolutely arguing in bad faith here. You're scum and others need to see it.- tenebrousluminary
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In post 4145, Eyes without a face wrote:@tene: Please help me see why Scorpious is so town to you.
This is something like the 5th time I've been asked this. Here you go:
In post 2665, tenebrousluminary wrote:I feel that at this point Scorp's continued line of posting is not survivalistic at all. It seems calculated to annoy others into voting him, if anything, so I think he may be town.In post 2749, tenebrousluminary wrote:
I gave an opinion on him a few posts ago. Light town because I think scum would stop the line of posting he's made upon observing that no one likes it.In post 2746, MathBlade wrote:
Maybe. What are your thoughts on Scorpious?In post 2744, tenebrousluminary wrote:It feels like at least one of VP and Yeet is scum in this interaction.
This one benefits from context.In post 2942, tenebrousluminary wrote:My guess on Scorp's alignment is looking pretty good right now.
In post 2958, tenebrousluminary wrote:
It has been said repeatedly and at length, yes. And if you were scum, you'd have read it in your scum thread. You're not aware of it because you're town.In post 2956, Scorpious wrote:
This is going to make heads explode, and then I have to commute...In post 2954, tenebrousluminary wrote:And to boot, I don't think he knows Math is a mason.
How would I know if anyone is a Mason? was it said? is it implied?
Did i just miss it in the 50 pages i missed?
be back later
Q: A scum scorp would benefit from a strong roleclaim. So why does he claim VT at E-6?
A: He doesn't.In post 2996, tenebrousluminary wrote:It is easier to push nobodies than established players, and many of you clearly know each other. That is my latest theory for why we are seeing a push as lame as the one against Scorp, and said push persisting in spite of his townie reaction.In post 3012, tenebrousluminary wrote:I felt your string of posts on the page where you were calling the attack against you random read as very genuine. I also don't think you were faking not knowing that math is confirmed town.
In post 3014, tenebrousluminary wrote:In post 2937, Scorpious wrote:
yup, and I can see you setting your trap. If I don't respond I'm avoiding.In post 2935, MathBlade wrote:Pressure sometimes works for affecting people but sometimes it’s more about people’s reactions to it.
If I do I'm overreacting...
Not my first rodeo homie..
These ones looked good to me for example.In post 2944, Scorpious wrote:again, I've been down this road. When a hyper posting heavy hitting hyper poster starts promoting wagons they usually go through, so just take note of the posts that will ultimately end up in my mislim and use the knowledge from there.. I already know where this is heading..
I also son't see much benefit to your outing as VT if you were scum.In post 3772, tenebrousluminary wrote:
If I may contribute another reason to my case for Scorp town, I do not think as scum he would have reacted to my defending him by questioning my motives. He needed allies at that time and I think he would have just taken it.In post 3725, April Ludgate wrote:My way too early prediction theory right now is:
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Quick count, but 10 players posted since your vote. About half of them are either voting Scorp or telegraphing they would do so (Cape, Eyes, Nero, Enchant).In post 4164, MathBlade wrote:Where’s Galron?
Oh and if Scorpio is town then people would be climbing all over themselves to agree with me.
Kinda feeling Galron or Scorpio.- tenebrousluminary
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They want it to look natural? If we have a right wagon right now, this day and the optics thereof are pretty dangerous for them long term.In post 4167, MathBlade wrote:
Yet they don’t because…?In post 4165, tenebrousluminary wrote:
Quick count, but 10 players posted since your vote. About half of them are either voting Scorp or telegraphing they would do so (Cape, Eyes, Nero, Enchant).In post 4164, MathBlade wrote:Where’s Galron?
Oh and if Scorpio is town then people would be climbing all over themselves to agree with me.
Kinda feeling Galron or Scorpio.
Usually when I am town and wrong the wagon happens.
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In post 4173, the worst wrote:fireisredsir (1): VP Baltar
Yeet (1): MalcolmTucker
Nero Cain (1): Scorpious- tenebrousluminary
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No, but I don't townread them and I think they'd provide some info.In post 4247, VP Baltar wrote:
So you think all these people are scum?In post 4244, tenebrousluminary wrote:Vig Dragons, Titus, Galron, or the survivor of Malc/VP if they flip town.- tenebrousluminary
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Explain how it's a scumslip like I'm 5? I see the inconsistency but it seems like such a silly mistake, idk.In post 4248, MathBlade wrote:My last wish is deaths in this order regardless of VP’s flip
1) Galron. Dude scumslipped and faked reads and it’s freakin obvious. Skitter30 also had a tell of pings.
2) April. April needs death. The fact they haven’t got an elim off at this point and Ari’s defense of Galron is bad AF
3) Titus unless she pushes a scum elim fast. As I said there was a scum in Datisi/Wu
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I'd love to know why Scorp is always pushed instead of him.In post 4255, VP Baltar wrote:
What info does a Dragons vig provide?In post 4254, tenebrousluminary wrote:
No, but I don't townread them and I think they'd provide some info.In post 4247, VP Baltar wrote:
So you think all these people are scum?In post 4244, tenebrousluminary wrote:Vig Dragons, Titus, Galron, or the survivor of Malc/VP if they flip town.- tenebrousluminary
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I am not going to advocate for vigging my townread.In post 4259, VP Baltar wrote:
Wouldn't vigging scorpion provide that information much more directly?In post 4257, tenebrousluminary wrote:I'd love to know why Scorp is always pushed instead of him.- tenebrousluminary
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It seems like the case is basically that Galron is stupid then?In post 4258, VP Baltar wrote:
Math is saying that Galron gave a "town" read on Math so Galron would look like he has accurate and good reads this game. Math is alleging that Galron already knew Math was a mason (something galron seemingly confirmed?).In post 4256, tenebrousluminary wrote:
Explain how it's a scumslip like I'm 5? I see the inconsistency but it seems like such a silly mistake, idk.In post 4248, MathBlade wrote:My last wish is deaths in this order regardless of VP’s flip
1) Galron. Dude scumslipped and faked reads and it’s freakin obvious. Skitter30 also had a tell of pings.
2) April. April needs death. The fact they haven’t got an elim off at this point and Ari’s defense of Galron is bad AF
3) Titus unless she pushes a scum elim fast. As I said there was a scum in Datisi/Wu
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