yeet was there a reason you asked this?In post 3052, Yeet wrote:Do I give you a similar impression, fire?
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is this your strongest scumread at the moment? what other scumreads do you have?In post 3239, VP Baltar wrote: but I think what I'm picking up on here is real.- fireisredsir
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that's not really directly answering what i asked. should i take that as a "no, cape is. i don't have others right now"?In post 3247, VP Baltar wrote:
I still want to yeet the fuck out of cape, but that was going nowhere. People are willing to give him a pass today even though he is doing nothing and had a very questionable hammer yesterday, as I've explained.In post 3244, fireisredsir wrote:
is this your strongest scumread at the moment? what other scumreads do you have?In post 3239, VP Baltar wrote: but I think what I'm picking up on here is real.
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yea I've read that. i don't think it's a bad mentality (i kind of agree?) but it is v much keeping your options open and not really saying a whole lot of anything about your own suspicions. like when ari did something similar earlier, she was like "i think there's scum in the lower activity players, and scorpio looks the most scummy of those, so i will vote there". cool. great. your post kind of does the first part, except that you offer two possibilities that kinda include most of the playerlist, and then name one player and two pairs in a sort of offhand non-commital way.In post 3257, VP Baltar wrote:@fire - this is a very recent post from me that indicates where my head is at in terms of scum hunting. My frogster realization came after this obv.
Are you asking for like a ranked reads list or something?
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i guess the idea is that they could be a scum PR and maf team gains a lot of value by keeping them alive another night? otherwise i don't see the point. if they don't get confirmed, it means we just lim them later, and if they're real then occupying the roleblocker seems like a positive. and then there's the chance that they do get confirmed, unless you really think the chance of them being town is so small that it's not worth leaving them alive- fireisredsir
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1) as an overall trend, the biggest thing for me is that i think a lot of your reads and takes feel pretty surface level in a way that lacks the nuance i would expect from an experienced player. like a prime recent example is 3266, hard to believe you really think that is scum-indicitave for nero, and why call it scummy if it's not? a few other recent examples are 2648, 2685, 2706, 2824In post 3346, VP Baltar wrote:Why are you scum leaning me again, fire? I know you've been vaguely name dropping me, but don't think I understand why.
2) some of your pushes and interactions with people feel forced and artificial. 684, 1040, 1194, 1208 are examples. not a big deal imo but it pings (ping ping ping) a lil bit
3) didn't like the way you were leaving your options wide open and dancing around committing to specific scumreads today.
4) even yesterday i didn't really get the feeling you honestly believed wu was that scummy? just felt like you were filling the "good townie" role of herding people towards consolidating wagons (on 2 town btw), and then later you were just saying it was the "logical play" (2128) and that "we will get a lot of information" (1939), but then after the flip, you say "the wagon doesn't help clarify a ton for me" (2988), so i guess it wasn't a good information flip after all?
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i had to ask you three times, and your first two responses felt like dodging the question. the final list was fine, im talking about how you felt reluctant to give one, and weren't really stating many scumreads until I asked you about itIn post 3360, VP Baltar wrote:3) How was I leaving my options open? I responded with a very concrete list when you asked. If I was leaving options open, I would have put far more people as potentials for me. I listed three stronger preferences.
i think cape's case had a couple good points but overall wasn't amazing but was also pretty towny for cape. im just really unenthused by the hammer as being a main reason of suspicion, like wu was gonna die at that point. imo he clearly didn't know it was a hammer but i don't really think it's ai either way. all of that is irrelevant to my point tho which is that i don't feel like cape being your top scumread is supported by your prior tone or behavior. i just don't see the town in you on that point. if you're sus of him bc of his case on you being bad just say that. that's what i FEEL from you, but your words give other reasons that are kinda weak and don't feel like you really care about them that much. it smells like someone who does genuinely think the case is bad, and is annoyed about that, but doesn't want to sus for that bc that would look bad or something. and that smells more like maf to meIn post 3360, VP Baltar wrote:5) Cape is not doing much today. His case on me was not good if you actually read it, it's just large, which people too often conflate with "good". I addressed anything that would even remotely objectively be considered to be a real point, and showed why they are not good. Who is Cape pushing today? Other than popping in to say "anyone like an april wagon", I haven't seen him do much to further the game today. The fundamental consideration with Cape is whether you believe he didn't actually see the pile of votes on Wu before he hammered. After I deeply questioned him on this, I can maybe see a world where he did not, but if he's town I'd like to see a lot more from him today to help me get there in believing that.- fireisredsir
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it's not that it's towny because it's not good, it's towny cause it feels, as you called it, "stream of consciousness and aimless". it's kinda disorganized but it shows a clear thought process. idk cape meta cause he only has a few games and all are town but it does fit in pretty well with how he posts as town from what ive readIn post 3366, VP Baltar wrote:
Why was a case that you admit is not that good towny?In post 3361, fireisredsir wrote:i think cape's case had a couple good points but overall wasn't amazing but was also pretty towny for cape.
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funny you mention it cause i was just about to say that lately my mind has changed and i don't trust anyone anymoreIn post 3399, Datisi wrote:i am kind of curious about fire (and if anyone else said it) comment that towns are towning because that's really not the vibe i'm getting from the game, at least around the 110's pages - i feel like every second post is filled with either crappy logic or icky push that makes me feel like we're not gonna have a good time- fireisredsir
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yea i meant yesterday, as in why is it such a scummy thing for cape to have hammered when the scum team was probs just sitting back and letting town do it cause they knew that they would? and you had already said you would hammer anythingIn post 3436, Nero Cain wrote:
I deff said I do it yesterday, don't think I said I'd do it the whole game or not.In post 3418, fireisredsir wrote:i mean Nero said he was NM this game and would lolhammer anything, why not just let him do it- fireisredsir
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not talking about his suspicion on you, i'm talking about the suspicion of cape for the hammer. people keep pushing it as this big scummy thing and it feels very meh to meIn post 3442, Nero Cain wrote:I think Dats was trying to say that I'm "scummy" for still being willing to vote Wu after Hem/he/VP quick voted but I think I had already said I'd hammer Wu before the rapd votes and it was already a bloated 9p+ pages. p sure he's just scum gearing up for a push on me though.- fireisredsir
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it wasn't really unprompted, they were the leading wagon and were gaining votes, and had 6 on them at the timeIn post 3451, Eyes without a face wrote:
I don't believe scum claim vig on day one just for the lolz. It's a very risky play that could be CC'd or result in them getting shot by the real vig or them getting yeeted soon enough when there is no other kill at night. It just doesn't make sense to me that fua was scum and claimed that unpromptedIn post 3371, VP Baltar wrote:Why the enchant hard town read?- fireisredsir
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yea ive been starting to feel this way as well. i wanted to keep the tene wagon leading to see if anyone would try to push it in, but eh might as well switch now. eyes is p much as good as voting there, with a townread on VP and a scumread on tene.In post 3456, DeasVail wrote:I think I have gotten myself into a tunnel and after a reassessment I am no longer sure of this read.
UNVOTE: Tenebro
Reading through tenebro’ Iso again, I am more inclined to think that the dismissive nature is an unhelpful way of communicating, but I don’t actually think it lines up with the scum-tenebro image that I had created for myself. If I thought that tenebro was scum trying to blend in and appease, then their approach to suspicion in fact does the opposite.
I am happy to discuss with anyone regarding this, and would particularly be interested if anyone thinks I am making a mistake in backing off this, but I think it’s more likely that tenebro-scum was a world I wanted to be true rather than one that actually is true.
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i think STD is town, he seems pure to me, but i could see a world where malcolm is mafIn post 3481, April Ludgate wrote:STD/Malcolm still my highest scum reads. There's probably one in the main mix of things, I just don't know where it's at currently.- fireisredsir
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my reasons are in 3361. as someone who was voting tene until recently, i don't think your gamestate read is accurate.In post 3542, MathBlade wrote:Can someone do a TLDR on why VP please? I mean the wagon looks like crap and has most of my SRs but I am wondering if I have my reads messed up.
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im less convinced on tene cuz i think the "they're just like that" argument is believable. ive called them out all game for comments that i think on the surface look scummy, but they haven't really made any efforts to change in a way that would make them look more towny. it kinda feels like it's just their personality/posting style. they could still be scum but I'm not as into it as before and i think VP is more likely- fireisredsir
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originally thought deas was a possibility but he left tene for reasons i agree with so maybe he is town after all. malcolm would be pretty believable. eyes was positioning to join the tene wagon but didn't vote yet, he is a strong possibility. and then the 4th is probably like yeet or someone who doesn't want to commit to either main wagon- fireisredsir
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i think the thing is that tene lim probably would have gone through (it was at 6 vs 4 on VP, with at least one or two more people willing to vote there) if me and deas hadn't switched off. and me and deas have been the two going after tene the hardest. so unless you think we're scum with tene and just hard bussing him, the wagon didn't dissolve due to scum partners moving away from it- fireisredsir
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yea actually agreed that scorp and frog look more like attempted CWs. maybe i phrased it wrong, what i meant was that i think maf team were angling towards wanting tene to be the elim instead of VP. the wagon already existed tho and was probably mostly town, but prob had a maf or two on it/ready to get on it.- fireisredsir
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so why can't that be VP who was pushing everyone towards consolidating on wu/HEM?In post 3569, MathBlade wrote:
It’s more the odds of almost every D1 wagon being on town and not having power wolves is unlikeluIn post 3568, Datisi wrote:ah alright, sure
i don't see why town!me implies some grand powerwolves since i recall not agreeing with your vca theories but what else is new- fireisredsir
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yeah, again, this is where VP's insinuations don't match what he's actually saying. when asked to commit to some actual individual scumreads, he lists 6 people (3297) and none of them are nero, but here he's discrediting nero in a way that can only imply that he thinks nero is scum. it's just shade for the sake of shade and he doesn't actually believe it. i don't know why anyone would do that unless they're maf- fireisredsir
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saying that my case is mostly about feelings isn't really accurate. there's a mismatch between your text and your subtext. you keep demanding that people look at what actions are scummy, and that's because you've done a good job to make sure your actions on the face of it aren't very scummy. but the issue is that what you are implying and insinuating with some of your posts a lot of times does not line up with your stated beliefs. and that's not about personality, it's not about feelings, it's a mindset slip. you are not accurately recreating a town mindset, because i don't think you believe some of the things that you are saying or implying.
i can tell that you're frustrated by some of the cases on you. people usually are, as town or maf. but does town imply that nero's case comes from scum without actually believing that he is? does town imply that they think cape's case is bad and scummy and frustrating while stating that he is a top scumread for unrelated reasons, while also never really pushing there in earnest? maybe they do, but i think you should be able to see why i think it's less likely- fireisredsir
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eh i think your iso tells a different story. the key word there is "earnest". you pushed him a little about his hammer, then he wallposted you, then you talked about how the wallpost was bad for a while, then a bit more about his hammer, then you moved on to other things. but anyway the main point is about your reasons, not about whether you pushed or not. when asked about it later you said he was your top scumread but that it was for how he acted around the hammer and that he had done nothing today. that's weak, and i don't believe that you believe that.In post 3628, VP Baltar wrote:This us an incredible misrep. I did push there. It was how I spent the first half of my day. People are obviously not eager to join a cape wagon. I understand to some degree that there isn't a slam dunk case there, so I can only point out what I see. I'm not going to act belligerent about getting my way if I'm not managing to convince people with the facts I've pointed out repeatedly.
when you were arguing back against his wallpost, you were implying that he was scummy for it. but later, that apparently didn't factor into your scumread. i think that's because you know he's town, you know the case looks towny even if it's not very good, and so you didn't want to list it as a reason. you wanted to stick to the scummy actions of his, just like you're telling other people to do, those are safe and objective. that doesn't feel honest, doesn't feel like town
that's not what im talking about. you are obv allowed and expected to point out when a case made against you is bad even if he might be town. your mistake was in 3603. that's not pointing out BS reasons. that's creating a scum narrative for his play. and you and i both know that you don't really believe he's scum, so why did you do it? maf has motivation to appeal to the crowd and discredit his case, they don't have to be honest about how they feel. why would you do it as town?In post 3628, VP Baltar wrote:As far as Nero and do I call out his case as being BS reasons and a smear campaign even if I think he might be town? yes! Of course I do. Some town players do this and act as honorary scum, as previously stated. Pointing out how bunk what he is saying actually is does not reflect poorly on me, and you saying it does is kind of bullshit.- fireisredsir
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i knew there was something i was forgetting to bring up as an example of what he implies his reasons to be not looking like the genuine explanation of his actions. both of those votes follow the same patternIn post 3691, DeasVail wrote:The other main thing for me is the Day 2 vote progression. I don't like the vote on tenebros in 3392 nor the rationalisation in 3479. I think it's fairly obvious that a big part of VP voting tenebro (as town or scum) would be because it was a more popular wagon than VP's other scumreads, yet VP seems to avoid admitting that, and the change of vote in 3502 seems to be pretending that the fact that the tenebro wagon fell apart is not why VP's changing his vote.- fireisredsir
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yea, i have felt a few times that if my reads are wrong then i would be kinda sus of DV cause it does feel like he's following me around a bit. but it could just be that we're seeing the game in a similar way, and there's been times i think where he's been the first one instead of me. p sure he unvoted tene first, altho i was expressing some willingness to alreadyIn post 3747, April Ludgate wrote:
Interesting, the 2 of you were at another key point together. I'll have to go back and look, but if a townie goes off, that's often a time for scum to hop off too.In post 3743, fireisredsir wrote:idk, i think tene lim would've gone through if me/DV didn't switch. it was at 6 and there were a couple more people willing to vote there.
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when you first brought up malcolm, him and VP as a pairing was my first thought. i think it makes sense with the tene wagon, and some of the interactions early. but that's from the perspective of thinking VP is the scummier one, so idk if it's as clear of a connection in the other directionIn post 3776, April Ludgate wrote:
Interesting. I hadn't really thought about that pairing, but I can see some cases for it.In post 3774, fireisredsir wrote:also it took great effort to overcome my urges and not go with my initial instinct of "im obvtown so anyone suspecting me is confscum gg lock em up"
oh and i still think VP/malc is decently likely
Malcolm hasnt hopped onto the VPB wagon, and VPB has shied away from Malcolm.
I'll keep it in the back of my mind, not necessarily feeling it, but it's something I'll think about.
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meant VP not you. your POV makes a lot of sense and i think it is p reasonable for you to think i am possible scum from the perspective of actions and movement and all that jazz. i also have been considering a possible world where DV is scum for a while now, so that part makes sense to meIn post 3777, April Ludgate wrote:I'm more thinking you could be scum than suspecting you, if that makes sense.- fireisredsir
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who else do you think would have voted you? i guess this is more from my POV of still thinking you're likely maf so your teammates probs wouldn't. if you're town then maybe you were in some danger, idk, i didn't think you were that likely to be elimmed but maybe im wrongIn post 3779, VP Baltar wrote:What do you mean I'm not in danger of getting limmed? I was at E-2. That is pretty much the definition of in danger on D2 of a large.- fireisredsir
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i think it's a possibility. and cause i think april has cool ideas and im a big fan of the sudden unexpected wagon to see if it throws scum off their balanceIn post 3789, VP Baltar wrote:If you think we are partners, why are you getting off my much bigger wagon?- fireisredsir
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nah the interactions read as possibly partner pressure to me. scum def would do that especially on a player like VP who has said himself that he very rarely gets elimmedIn post 3784, MalcolmTucker wrote:Sorry but you're a better player than this I reckon, the idea of a team of me and VP just doesn't work. Like I've put consistent pressure on that slot at times which would be unnecessary from mafia.- fireisredsir
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it could be ): but i mean if ive been wrong about all the directions so far that we've pushed together (nordom, i think fua too, tene, VP) then im gonna start getting nervous. if tene or VP (or fua? idr if you pushed them too) are maf then i will be more likely to trust you againIn post 3796, DeasVail wrote:This makes me a little sad because I’d like to think that the vibing is genuine but it’s okay, I get it.- fireisredsir
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what makes you think my reads are solid? i don't feel very confident in themIn post 3800, MalcolmTucker wrote:Sorry Fire, but none of this makes sense from the point of me and VP being teammates. I'm genuinely baffled at this because your reads have been solid so far but VP has consistently been someone I've applied pressure to. There's no incentive to most of these posts from a mafia POV given VP has been under consistent pressure.
also disagree, those kind of posts are very in the range of what maf partners will do- fireisredsir
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huh? why do you think I'm convinced that you're scum? it's day 2 I'm not convinced of anything. there's enough things that you've done that i think are scummy that i would like to see you elimmed, but there's enough things you've done that are towny that I'm ok going another directionIn post 3847, VP Baltar wrote:
If you're town!fire, and you see scum!vp at fucking E-2, do you ditch that wagon and then say "lol, this lim wasn't going to happen"?In post 3790, fireisredsir wrote:i didn't think you were that likely to be elimmed
That's insane! You barely have to do any kind of convincing to finish my lim at that point. Fire doesn't believe in what they are saying. These are votes of convenience and popularity. Fire is going with the flow and using other people's suspicions to drive his own, as I stated in my wagon analysis.- fireisredsir
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didn't say that lol. obv i was arguing you were scum before. but i wasn't convinced, i never amIn post 3857, VP Baltar wrote:Lol this guy says he isn't arguing I'm scum. Very unsure!- fireisredsir
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