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Datisi, this feels a bit intense for the contextIn post 56, Datisi wrote:
what case? "subliminally signaling" you have made a good vote by openly telling you you have made a good vote?In post 50, Yeet wrote:You are not helping your case, scumDatisi.- DeasVail
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I appreciate the question and believe it comes from a good place, but I'm not feeling it quite yet. I'm intrigued by Datisi's approach so far, but have not decided what it comes from.In post 62, Yeet wrote:DeasVail, would you also vote Datisi?
PEdit @Datisi. Ah, that makes sense. I still think your posting was somewhat provocative so I think it's totally expected that Yeet would be concerned by it. Was that what you expected also?- DeasVail
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This feels like shutting down the scum-Datisi train of possibility without actually being interested in it.In post 67, skitter30 wrote:I'm not really sure why people are disliking dats thus far, he's been largely nai to me- DeasVail
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Why is it more believable than Yeet +towning your entrance?In post 71, Frogsterking wrote:I think it's believable you and Dats +town- DeasVail
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Thanks, that makes sense to me.In post 85, Yeet wrote:If Datisi is scum then I’m not sure what to make of skitter30’s reaction.
You bring up a good point that she doesn’t even seem interested in Datisi’s alignment or why we are all pushing. I don’t think she says that about a partner so early. The plausible world to me is that if Datisi is town then skitter30 is scum whiteknighting Datisi.
It's probably worth noting that I expect Skitter and Datisi have probably played with each other multiple times before and so I imagine Skitter thinks themselves able to read Datisi to greater degree of accuracy than other players in this game can read Datisi, which may explain their posting re: Datisi.- DeasVail
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I don't completely agree, but I like the post. Keen to see where it goes.In post 112, Yeet wrote:
skitter30, I don’t believe you are being consistent in your explanation.In post 83, skitter30 wrote:After readinf 71 multiple times, i actually dont think i got any clarity from it >.>
Why is it more believeable that me/dats would townbin you than for yeet to do the same thing?
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In other words i'm saying what dats has done thus far is neither townie nor scummy for him
I don’t believe that you would say that you’re not sure why people think Datisi is scum when you know exactly how he plays and believe this to be his town self.
You are assuming that we know him implicitly there. We do not know Datisi, so why would you expect us to have the same opinion on him with your knowledge?
You would’ve simply said that Datisi’s posts are “NAI”, without the part where you’re “not sure why people dislike him”.
It doesn’t make sense, it’s not a real read, and your approach to this whole thing feels like it’s not coming from a genuine solving headspace - rather it was feeble attempt to provide content and you felt the urge to white knight him.
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oh yes, thanks for the clarification.In post 117, fireisredsir wrote:
"no one (who is) currently posting"In post 113, GeneralWu wrote:
We're getting like 3 posts a minute.In post 110, DeasVail wrote:tbh no one currently posting is causing great concern for me
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yeah that was not a great postIn post 119, fireisredsir wrote:
this is scumIn post 116, tenebrousluminary wrote:Yeet seems trustworthy and makes a good point. But I think I'll stick with my vote for now.
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What was similar about it? What didn't you like about tenebro's post?In post 123, fireisredsir wrote:
i mean yours right after was kind of similar... the vibes aren't as bad but stillIn post 122, DeasVail wrote:
yeah that was not a great postIn post 119, fireisredsir wrote:
this is scumIn post 116, tenebrousluminary wrote:Yeet seems trustworthy and makes a good point. But I think I'll stick with my vote for now.
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I don't have much to say on my post beyond that it pretty much meant exactly what was said. I wanted to express that I liked the thought process from Yeet, even if I didn't agree with the reasoning.In post 139, fireisredsir wrote:
you both said you liked yeet's post but took no real position on what it actually meant. it's just weakly engaging, looks like content but doesn't say anything, and possibly some light pocketing. tene's was phrased more awkwardly but they're also newer than you, so mehIn post 132, DeasVail wrote:What was similar about it? What didn't you like about tenebro's post?
For what it's worth, I didn't like Tenebro's post because it felt like explaining a position in the way that scum would. I feel like scum are more aware of where they are voting and more often feel the need to justify their actions.- DeasVail
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What are examples of Yeet acting less experienced than he is? Also what more do you need to hear from him? He has made more posts than anyone.In post 191, GeneralWu wrote:
I agree that Yeet is sorta scummy because he acts less experienced than he is, but I kinda want to hear from him a little more.In post 186, Frogsterking wrote:@Wu
Wu sheep my vote on Yeet if you're town. Yeet's slot is scummy, Yeet is stumbling the daystart, and I don't want my Yeet wagon to be arbitrarily abandonedWhy is that worth discussing? If Frogsterking is town should we not then be discussing other things?
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Not especially. I was puzzled more because I did not think calling Frogsterking town was a particularly controversial statement.In post 215, Cape90 wrote:
I would assume you are the type of player who wants opinions on scumreads versus building a town circle. I understand this correctly?In post 207, DeasVail wrote:Why is that worth discussing? If Frogsterking is town should we not then be discussing other things?- DeasVail
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Possibly!In post 512, Yeet wrote:I find this vote a bit odd. Is eyes really your strongest scumread out of everyone in the game off of just those two short posts?
It also is in some ways a placeholder while I wait for an opportunity to catch up. Because eyes only has two posts and has just entered the game, there is possibly more opportunity for engagement to form a read.
From a skim, Datisi's posting has a frantic feel which is concerning to me, but I haven't paid close enough attention yet to form a decision, which I don't want to make lightly particularly given the degree of suspicion on Datisi's slot.- DeasVail
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So a readslist on Page 12 is a lot different from a readslist on Page 8?In post 515, Eyes without a face wrote:
This sounds more like the town nero I know. Nothing solid yet but a town lean.In post 288, Nero Cain wrote:I am tentatively at
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so the other 2 scum are in
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Do you think this statement from fua has alignment implications?In post 576, VP Baltar wrote:
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I agree with this post. I’m a bit wary of anyone dismissing Yeet’s opinions as bad or newb. I think there are some errors of comprehension here and there, just as we all are prone to, but a lot of the thought processes have actually resonated quite strongly with me.In post 677, Nordom wrote:How has Yeet's takes been bad? His TvT with Ari and Monkey read was good.- DeasVail
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@VP Baltar, regarding Yeet:
41 was not necessarily a post I agreed with at the time, however was very understandable from someone not familiar with Datisi and reminded me of ways that I have felt about Datisi in previous games.
Yeet's suspicion of skitter, in my opinion best expressed in 131, was actually what went through my mind as well when first reading the skitter post in question (and I believe I made a comment on it at the time). I had since decided against my initial thought, but it was eerie how closely Yeet's post resembled my own thoughts.
577 was a post on humaneatingmonkey that I appreciated because it was reflecting on the situation in a way that I hadn't yet considered and gave me more to think about.- DeasVail
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Only just saw thisIn post 415, fireisredsir wrote:no, im relaxed yet sassy, didn't you hear
Also, I think Datisi is town- DeasVail
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I kind of feel like you've done the same with the pressure of DatisiIn post 727, Nordom wrote:
Basically, Daitisi was one to throw their hat into the popular pressure of Wu and Monkey. It just came off as lazy and convenient to me.In post 726, VP Baltar wrote:What's the bullet point case on datisi again?- DeasVail
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I disliked eyes' first posts, but I kind of lost the passion after posts like 586 - "I don't care about what reads he has here". - Seems strange from scum.In post 830, skitter30 wrote:I'm actually not liking his content through here, ehy'd you remove the vote?
Going to the effort of "reading the game" (obviously not verifiable, but they at least pretended to) and then posting townreads on Nero and VP and then disappearing is also just a weird scum move. More likely imo that townreads on Nero and VP were just the most notable things to Eyes, who didn't think to say much else/got distracted/whatever. Scum probably thinks "well shit, I should probably talk about other people too".
But no, instead of that, we get 603, which seems random as anything. Seems town.
I think in the grand scheme of things, due to lack of posting and lack of confidence in the read (and as I get to the end of my catch up I'm feeling generally more townready about most people), Eyes is probably in the lower half of my reads list, but not a player that I feel compelled to pursue right now.- DeasVail
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This actually makes a lot of senseIn post 842, Cape90 wrote:But I thought when I joined somehow the thread was still at page 1. I was like "why has nobody posted for an hour?"
In response to your question to me, I'm not sure what you mean, but it's possible I missed it due to not paying close attention to the game at the time I was posting. I voted Eyes because of the OTT reaction to Yeet's readlist, which felt like saying something for the sake of saying it and conveniently pushing on someone who comes across as, I suppose, more "nooby". I don't know that Nordom did the same thing? What did you mean by that?- DeasVail
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I don't believe that you think thisIn post 868, Nordom wrote:
I'm not so sure about that. I think I may have been the first one to vote Datisi.In post 865, DeasVail wrote:
I kind of feel like you've done the same with the pressure of DatisiIn post 727, Nordom wrote:
Basically, Daitisi was one to throw their hat into the popular pressure of Wu and Monkey. It just came off as lazy and convenient to me.In post 726, VP Baltar wrote:What's the bullet point case on datisi again?- DeasVail
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I would be interested to see what fireisred picked up on regarding Nordom, but I don't think that Nordom is town. I will attempt to explain why I think this but I'm not sure it will be exactly right. In any case though, what struck me as I was reading the latter part of the game was I guess, just the way that Nordom is playing. There is clear activity, and lots of asking questions of other players, but most of these actually appear rather pointless. 707 as an example, feels like it comes from a place of "hmmm i want to ask this person a question" rather than having any real town basis. But also, regardless of pointlessness, why is someone so keen on looking like they're asking other people questions, so deiriding of people engaging with them? The interactions with fireisred, with skitter, with me even, do not feel like real attempts to actually figure someone out or get a sense of what they are thinking. It's overall just very dismissive.
The Datisi read and progression in particular makes no sense and does not feel like it comes from a genuine place. Nordom was fairly consistent in scumreading Datisi for a while there, to the point where he apparently believed he was the first on the wagon (which I doubt given Nordom's 493 specifically talking about wagons). There was also encouragement of Yeet's Datisi suspicion in 724, but then in 754 he gives the cop out of "if Datisi replies in a satisfactory manner, I'm switching my vote to VP". If Nordom thinks Datisi is scum, why is he almost.. expecting to be moving his vote? I don't get the sense of real genuine scumhunting processes behind this. There isn't any interest in why other people might think Datisi is town, for example.
More recently 883 feels like an attempt to distract from a blunder by a desperate attack on me?
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I may have more to say on Monkey later, but fua asked about why I scumread Nord over monkey and I think a key difference for me is that monkey is that I get the impression monkey believes what they are saying while Nord doesn’t. I also kind of liked 518 because it was entitled in a way that I think is more common from town.
I haven’t fully processed Datisi’s recent posts, but a few things. I’m influenced by Ari’s strong townread of Datisi, which I think is worth giving some value to. I think the vote on Nordom would be a bit strange from Datisi-scum (exception is if scum with Nord, but as a general rule at this stage of the game I tend to read people on the assumption of others being town). The waffly comment on me in 348 feels like something Datisi would just decide to not say as scum because it doesn’t add anything but is a thought I could see Datisi having as town.- DeasVail
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I was referring to the post where you expressed a scumread of me in your readslistIn post 1232, fua wrote:
What do you mean by that?In post 1231, DeasVail wrote:Fua, I’m interested in why you saw Nord as an easier route than HEM- DeasVail
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What gives you this feeling?In post 1247, MathBlade wrote:
There hasn’t been a VC in a while.In post 1245, fua wrote:
Datisi as well.In post 1237, Nero Cain wrote:
no? It seems like there's been way more cohesion ITG than in most games. It feels like most of the votes have been on HEM, Wu, Fua, Nord.In post 1234, fireisredsir wrote:
i kinda thought the same for a bit, but isn't any wagon in a game this big gonna feel sorta off?In post 1229, Nero Cain wrote:I think the HEM wagon is sorta fast. Kinda makes me wary but maybe that still flips scum, idk.
Care to say who’s on me?
I have a good feeling it’s probably a lot of scum.
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By posts do you mean votes?In post 1252, MathBlade wrote:
The landscape from posts being left on a slot that couldn’t do anything while I couldn’t rep in yet.In post 1248, DeasVail wrote:
What gives you this feeling?In post 1247, MathBlade wrote:
There hasn’t been a VC in a while.In post 1245, fua wrote:
Datisi as well.In post 1237, Nero Cain wrote:
no? It seems like there's been way more cohesion ITG than in most games. It feels like most of the votes have been on HEM, Wu, Fua, Nord.In post 1234, fireisredsir wrote:
i kinda thought the same for a bit, but isn't any wagon in a game this big gonna feel sorta off?In post 1229, Nero Cain wrote:I think the HEM wagon is sorta fast. Kinda makes me wary but maybe that still flips scum, idk.
Care to say who’s on me?
I have a good feeling it’s probably a lot of scum.
Or is it just a thing that you thought town would say?
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Is this how you usually feel as town?In post 1250, MathBlade wrote:
You’re never flipping me, ever. You’d have more luck flipping the mod or selling for a loss in the US real estate market.In post 1246, Cape90 wrote:
Both I believe are a bit strange for different reasons, definitely would flip Nord over Wu, but I do kinda think Wu just kinda has been a nonpresence in the game.In post 1242, MathBlade wrote:
VOTE: CapeIn post 1224, Cape90 wrote:
Okay coach. Make sure to tell him in your little "neighborhood"In post 740, Nordom wrote:Wu needs to step the fuck up and start contributing to the game.
This seems sus for reasoning I think the foundation for will be apparent. Not sure how to explain it yet but I am hoping my wording will evolve into something people can understand.- DeasVail
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Right? I thought it was a humorous tidbit mostly.In post 1430, fireisredsir wrote:in some ways I don't really like people agreeing with that post tbh
Maybe I’m just as bad for agreeing with this post though!
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Hmm, another question to fua on 1063. I must admit that my yeet read has dampened somewhat with them not having kept up their enthusiasm and activity, but I feel like your reasons for townreading Frogsterking could just as easily apply to Yeet. I know that explaining readslists is often a crapshoot, but I must say the readslist in 1063 strikes me as being a lot of words but doesn't actually give me a strong idea ofwhyyour reads are what they are.- DeasVail
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This is where I'm at too. I'm not as sure about the read there now.In post 1111, VP Baltar wrote:Sigh....I kind of like fua for this exchange with fire.- DeasVail
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I can assure you that I am town! I think the hard thing about playing games as town (and something I'm particularly finding in this game) is that while the most fun is in working with other people to solve the game in a collegial way, that collegiality itself is often treated as suspicious.In post 1212, Yeet wrote:Of all the players here I would say I find myself nodding and agreeing the most with DeasVail's posts. Call it a mindmeld if you will, I remember he said something similar about me a while back. The similar lines of thinking would make me believe it is likely that he is also town as we seem to be looking out for similar things. If he was attempting to pocket me here, I don't think I would feel the same way about him, and moreover I'm not sure what his incentive is to overtly pocket a random player like me. Unless my earlier pushes were somehow dead on and he wanted to establish some sort of influence on me, but that feels like a stretch.
I obviously hope that I have not been wrong in calling you town (and if I have been, then bravo), but I seriously have found your presence in the game super fun and hope to see more of you around.- DeasVail
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I guess I also found a lot of Yeet's stuff outlandish in a way, hence my slight confusion, but this does give me a better idea of where you're at, so thank you.In post 1593, fua wrote:
I just wanted to give at least some reasoning behind where I ranked them. I’m not typing out a whole paragraph for everyone.In post 1591, DeasVail wrote:Hmm, another question to fua on 1063. I must admit that my yeet read has dampened somewhat with them not having kept up their enthusiasm and activity, but I feel like your reasons for townreading Frogsterking could just as easily apply to Yeet. I know that explaining readslists is often a crapshoot, but I must say the readslist in 1063 strikes me as being a lot of words but doesn't actually give me a strong idea ofwhyyour reads are what they are.
The difference between Frogster and Yeet is that I don’t think Frogster has any associates or an agenda he’s really pushing, unlike Malcolm’s note about Yeet (who has been pretty well-defended so far). That and his opening was so outlandish it makes me want to townbin him without thinking about it further.- DeasVail
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I've decided the opposite because I'm running out of scum spots. Why is scorp maybe prob town?In post 1422, Nero Cain wrote:I've also decided that Scorp is maybe prob town here.- DeasVail
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I'm still deciding honestly.
I think... and I know it's really boring, but I think we should just lim Wu- DeasVail
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okay I'm good now
I know we should probably vote fua but that feels boring and fua is the most confusing slot to me, so in the interest of avoiding cognitive conflict...
VOTE: tenebrousluminary
Tenebro's approach to the game is one that is very mindful of what other people are doing and thinking, and they seem to be trying very hard to blend in, which is not town-motivated, only scum-motivated.
Some examples from towards the end of Day 1:
1490 - indicates the redevelopment of suspicion on Wu, at a time when Wu is the top wagon.
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1661, which occurs after momentum is shifting away from Wu towards others such as Ari. Tenebro clearly feels the need to postsomething, but the post itself imo does not indicate town. If they think Wu is scum, they could vote Wu or comment on how they don't like movement away from that wagon. Or talk about what they think of Ari or which other option they would much rather vote instead.
I could maybe be wrong about this if Tenebro is just not at all confident in expressing reads...
BUT then later we get 1956 where tenebro confidently declares that fua is scum, which is very much at odds with their previous low-confidence posting. This also only occurs after fua has started receiving pressure from others (e.g. fireisred, Ari).
Posts like 1961 do nothing more than piggyback off the town consensus that MathBlade's logic is bad (and similarly in 1973, but later Tenebro criticises Yeet for questioning MathBlade's actions (2292), when Yeet is the one receiving negative attention.
Tenebro's play reads as someone thinking very carefully about where the town is moving and what will be a socially accepted position/line of attack and questioning. It reads far less like someone from an uninformed position processing the game and generating their own thoughts/reads.- DeasVail
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Seems we are moving in opposite directions.In post 2448, MalcolmTucker wrote:I was heavily critical of them in turn one but tenebros is coming across as more town for me as the game goes on. Post 1460 struck me as a genuine bit of townie frustration. Much as plenty of players got annoyed at MathBlade after their entry into the game, this didn't particularly feel like the type of post a mafia team member would make toward pretty much the first fully confirmed town player of the game.
I think some players have since used the heavy post-load and the fast-moving pace of the game to disguise actually giving reads or to also appear like frustrated townies (primarily Scorpious), but tenebros felt kinda genuine to me with this, was a bit of a gut-feeling at the time but a few of their posts since have felt more town too.
I would challenge the point re: MathBlade, as I think criticising MathBlade would seem pretty safe to scum with almost everyone doing it.
Honestly, it seems sort of odd to me that uninformed Tenebro-town would criticise MathBlade in the same way given their expressed lack of confidence at other points.- DeasVail
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The vig thing. If someone promises to confirm themselves, the rigid part of me wants to hold them to it.In post 2453, Nero Cain wrote:Why should we vote Fua?- DeasVail
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idk I would have a hard time seeing Eyes as scum at this pointIn post 2458, Nero Cain wrote:
I also think this is really bad. Like 2427 is really and is prob a scum post but cape saying that it was okish was pretty bad as well. Overnight I internalized it as too bad to be from scum and also thought that no way is there 3 scum in my hood (unless I'm wrong on Skitter or something) but it's still awful.In post 2433, Cape90 wrote:Latest postings from Eyes has been decent. I kinda like the double down on a... very meh post admittedly in 2427
The VP and skitter reads I can kind of follow even if they are not top-priority for me rn, but Eyes being scum would just be super strange to me.- DeasVail
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I'm not in the mood for trying to explain it in a way that actually sounds good, but I just feel it okay?
Some of their posts are... like... how does scum come up with faking that level of disorganisation/paranoia/chaos? And if it's genuine, why do they post it? Like all the stuff about replacing and the confusion @ your self-vote and them clearly just not keeping up with the game but posting random shit that's probably going to look bad anyway. - DeasVail
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