Here is where I was at last night, for reference.In post 3050, Yeet wrote:Phone dropping my current reads before I sleep for reference:
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skitter Datisi Baltar Nero cape deasvail enchant - feel decent about these being town for now
Scorpious - ??
fire April tenebro eyes Malcolm frog std - would guess most scum are here
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This scum narrative seems like a big stretch. I think you are severely fitting reasons to your read at this point. I’m not really struggling to have reads, I just have more townreads than before. Like I said I’m more of a townhunter.In post 3225, MalcolmTucker wrote:
But having more info to go on also should make it easier to SR other people no? Like I'm baffled how a few select posts early on had you reaching immediate conclusions, whereas now with thousands of posts you say you're struggling to have any conclusive thoughts.In post 3219, Yeet wrote:More info to go on. I change my reads based on new information. Primarily it has been reasons to think people were town I previously thought were scum.
If you are mafia then I suppose there's a logic where you go in early with lots of reads because it's fundamentally hard for anyone to prove them - part of the early game is throwing around shit and seeing what sticks and provoking people into interesting responses, but if you're mafia it's arguably more difficult to feign interest in someone because they have more evidence with which to mount a defence. But such an approach would still allow you to build a reputation as an engaged player with "reads" instead of someone sitting back and not saying as much.
It’s not a fluff question - not everyone as town thinks they should be townread given their play and scum will sometimes give dumb fake reasonsIn post 3230, MalcolmTucker wrote:
I mean yes, you should be TR'ing me, but then I'm obviously going to say that irrespective of my alignment so this feels like a fluff question.In post 3220, Yeet wrote:Should I be townreading you, Malcolm? I noticed quite a few others think you are townie however it is hard for me to read you as such. I can’t find any reasons to scumread you either, you’re just very null all around to me.
But I'd say my reads have been fairly consistent while being relaxed enough for me to change my mind and update my reads on new info which helps the town. Eg I town read you early on but your play since later in turn one has struck me as increasingly mafia. I pushed tenebros early on, got more of a town vibe, and now get a mafia vibe again. I'm trying to back up any assertions I have with proper evidence and I don't think I've been agenda-driven in a way mafia might be.- Yeet
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Why?In post 3236, Save The Dragons wrote:
i guess my best answer to both is i'm concerned more about yeet than i am about frogs at this pointIn post 3232, VP Baltar wrote:
Why?In post 3229, Save The Dragons wrote:frogster pinged me in my catch up but i'm a little wary of the wagon so far- Yeet
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I don’t know how you can call them terrible if I didn’t even go into detail of them. Which I don’t really feel like doing now before Frogster comes and posts more?In post 3226, VP Baltar wrote:
These are terrible reasons to lose spine on a wagon, and especially to townread frogsterIn post 3215, Yeet wrote:Re skim of ISO, weird naked adamance in pushing me
Skimming Malcolm’s provided ISO
Math’s adamance against the wagon
Enough to make me think it’s certainly possible this is town!Frogster.
“I reskimmed their ISO and reevaluated them, read an example of their townplay”, these are bad reasons but themselves?- Yeet
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I thought that your accusation of tenebro sort of applied to me too with how people have been treating me in this gamestate. It made me wonder why you were singling him out/if you felt the way others do about me.In post 3228, fireisredsir wrote:
yeet was there a reason you asked this?In post 3052, Yeet wrote:Do I give you a similar impression, fire?- Yeet
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I said Cape was town after his reaction. I kind of vanity voted Malcolm because I’m going around poking my nullreads.
Do you think we’re in a good spot here as town? My tone may be different because I’m sensing more anxiety about losing. Scum are playing and hiding well and town did not exactly kill D1. The 2 early fights looked TvT which is never a good sign.- Yeet
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Maybe I’m just being a dramatic pessimist. We’re probably not in terrible shape yet but it could be if we don’t play the next two days or so correctly. I don’t mean to make the atmosphere negative.In post 3254, MathBlade wrote:
I think we are in an okay spot.In post 3250, Yeet wrote:I said Cape was town after his reaction. I kind of vanity voted Malcolm because I’m going around poking my nullreads.
Do you think we’re in a good spot here as town? My tone may be different because I’m sensing more anxiety about losing. Scum are playing and hiding well and town did not exactly kill D1. The 2 early fights looked TvT which is never a good sign.
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I could see it but Enchant is just kind of a troll as either alignment iirc. It’s not enough for me to back out on fua atm. Fua was a bit too townie/vig-like for me I think.In post 3279, Datisi wrote:
official datisi rating of the scorpious wagonIn post 3272, Cape90 wrote:
what does a 6.5/10 mean?In post 2857, Datisi wrote:so, like, in total? 6.5/10, my gamestate reads aren't always great, but i would not mind a wagon here
btw can we kill enchant pls he's like blatantly scum who's coasting on a bullshit vig claim- Yeet
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I agree with this and it is partly why I am doing the same.In post 3345, Datisi wrote:
my current point with the votes (other than leaving landmarks for future!datisi to go through) is gathering information. either by actually building a wagon or seeing who's against it. whatever wagon i get on, someone pops in from the aether to convince everyone that that wagon is Bad, Actually. even if none of the reactions are immediately useful to me, they might be in the future.In post 3340, VP Baltar wrote:Why are you vote flopping so much? Like what is that achieving?- Yeet
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I mean yes but maybe he’s still scum?In post 3529, Cape90 wrote:I don't get the MalcolmTucker suspicion, I think they have well thought out posts- Yeet
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This is a good post.In post 3717, Eyes without a face wrote:Serious question: Are we looking for scum or are we looking for things we don't like in each other's playstyles? because it seems to me everybody has been looking on the game from their own perspective and how the other should be playing not whether the other is making something that looks like it's scum driven.
Also everybody (in general and not just in this game) assume they are smart and everybody else is dumb. "scum will push this and not that" may only work if -say- someone is being tricky, but I don't think having a different opinion or changing one's opinion or some other shit that every player does regardless of their alignment qualifies as a reason to scum read someone.
@Deas: regarding 3702 what would you have done in that situation? Imagine that you were not being pushed at one point and then the tide changes and you are the leading wagon. Would you still sit back and relax or would you try to at least defend yourself? I think we both know the answer to that and that -again- is regardless of the color of your PM.- Yeet
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I already mentioned that I am an alt and I have a few games of experience, none of this should be news. I briefly reviewed parts of the game that Math was talking about since there is a lot of plist overlap, but obviously I didn’t go into too much depth.
Deas’s townpoints on Malcolm are not convincing to me, but I am certainly biased there.- Yeet
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A prime suspect you reckon? Why did you word it that way?In post 4014, MalcolmTucker wrote:VOTE: Yeet
Constant vote changes, terrible logic for all of them. A prime suspect I reckon.- Yeet
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Why even read page one we all knew you were just gonna do that anyway
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What is wrong with my statement? Are you just saying this because you are a very facts and logic based player?In post 4020, Titus wrote:
YuckIn post 4019, Yeet wrote:Sounds like you are tilted that you think I am playing “objectively worse” than you because I don’t write tons of logic and switch a lot, yet you’re the one getting wagoned- Yeet
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I was referring to Malcolm in that post.In post 4026, Titus wrote:
Nope. My gut says it's because you know April's town. Like why would you jump to him being tilted? Second, professor style tones are rarely tilted. If April was tilted, I'd expect more contempt from the words he's typing.In post 4023, Yeet wrote:
What is wrong with my statement? Are you just saying this because you are a very facts and logic based player?In post 4020, Titus wrote:
YuckIn post 4019, Yeet wrote:Sounds like you are tilted that you think I am playing “objectively worse” than you because I don’t write tons of logic and switch a lot, yet you’re the one getting wagoned
The timeline is, I sussed Malcolm early, then April replaced in and started pushing Malcolm with reasons, and I liked that so April has firmly pocketed me at this point.- Yeet
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In post 4188, April Ludgate wrote:Instead of trying something new, we can try Malcolm. It really hasn't taken off ever. It almost did for a second. I really want to see what happens when it becomes the main wagon.
I think this is reasonable. StD could definitely be scum here. I'm not sure if there has to be scum between DV and Fire, they both independently seem kind of town. I think I still TR DeasVail and in theory I should TR fire but Fire would kind of fit the description for a deepwolf playing well; not that I indepedently think he's scum. If you really think one of those two has to be scum I would guess Fire though.In post 4156, April Ludgate wrote:
nah, he just rearranged what actually happened to fit a narrative.In post 4129, Cape90 wrote:
Literally this part would imply that April is mafia here like 10 times out of 10 no?In post 3823, MalcolmTucker wrote:But I genuinely need to know what the case against me is to be able to do so. I don't think you can compare me with VP. The current wagon against me has sort of materialised out of nowhere and doesn't feel particularly strong or logic-based. The main person behind it is April. April basically admitted they "shoot their shot" too early. What does this mean? It feels like mafia admitting they built a case on someone they had no evidence on, but they kept pursuing it anyway.
Malcolm took a back seat and let a different scum guide things, whichever of the scum is in DV/Fire has been subtly guiding the past couple rl days.
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This is how I feel about some of the things you've said about me. What goes around comes around I guess.In post 4194, MalcolmTucker wrote:It feels as if April read a couple of my posts early on, decided I was mafia, and has since tried to make the evidence fit that instead of the other way around- Yeet
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What I mean is I feel like since you started scumreading me it has felt like a lot of your reasons for me being scum feel like reasons fitting the read.In post 4231, MalcolmTucker wrote:
I'd disagree with that entirely. I'd say I mostly TR'd you early on since your approach felt too blatant to be mafia. Since then though your playing style has changed completely and your reads have become a lot less clear and a lot more jumpy.In post 4220, Yeet wrote:
This is how I feel about some of the things you've said about me. What goes around comes around I guess.In post 4194, MalcolmTucker wrote:It feels as if April read a couple of my posts early on, decided I was mafia, and has since tried to make the evidence fit that instead of the other way around- Yeet
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What's inherently scummy about that?In post 4242, Nero Cain wrote:he pushed cape for a while but that didn't get any traction. His play just feels so different than yesterday where he was yelling and screaming for a Wu lim and now he's just kinda reserved.- Yeet
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Yeah, this kind of checks out, honestly. I'm once again fine with you being town here.In post 4276, VP Baltar wrote:
Not listing so many people off and drawing so much attention to myself. I probably would have played nice with Nero earlier and wouldn't have opened the day in a very aggressive manner. I'd be calling town players who are on the wrong track smart and be playing with my long term survivability in mind.In post 4268, Yeet wrote:VP what would you be doing differently if you were scum this game? - Yeet
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