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And if it was one you don’t wait for less than 24 hrs

he didn't wait, he did it immediately

Galron is scum

We don’t have time for a fucking flash wagon

We need to elim scum.

Yeet is not claiming an inno ffs he said not 100%

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Skitter seems a bit underwhelming in general this game when I've heard as town she is basically a master scum crusher. I also give a little bit of weight to fire's "ping" tell. I also saw people voting there which makes it an appealing vote.

And I honestly haven't read through that much at all and I think that's one of the things I need to look at first, thanks for the reminder.

I read this and question heavily why Galron is literally in a lock town territory. IDK what could have possibly changed and Yeet isn't explaining anything

@fire THERE IS NO INNO

TOWN WITH AN INNO DOESN’T POST THIS

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VP do you think it's malcolm or do you just think that's the best flip rn?

I think that's the best flip right now. I have a working theory about what is going on, and that would provide some information at least. My flip could also help, but I can't ethically vote for myself. (Have only once self voted as town I think to prove a point, and it was icky)

I don't think the galron wagon was really meant to counter Malcom, as April rightly pointed out, but it's created a lot of distraction now because Math isn't deeply reading the game.

Why do you say I am not? Because I don’t TR you?

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i would say your towncase of yeet is the opposite of a slam dunk

Yeah tbh. I said that, then actually checked their logs and was like... eh.

I think if Yeet is scum VP is town

Yeet VP Galron Boon are all scum or scum puppets

Like Galron should be dead by now

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Skitter seems a bit underwhelming in general this game when I've heard as town she is basically a master scum crusher. I also give a little bit of weight to fire's "ping" tell. I also saw people voting there which makes it an appealing vote.

And I honestly haven't read through that much at all and I think that's one of the things I need to look at first, thanks for the reminder.

I read this and question heavily why Galron is literally in a lock town territory. IDK what could have possibly changed and Yeet isn't explaining anything

@fire THERE IS NO INNO

TOWN WITH AN INNO DOESN’T POST THIS

what are you talking about?

Fire thought Yeet had an inno

I told them no and am trying to get them to revote Galron.

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It’s a ridiculous thought but I am trying to meet them where they are so the Galron elim fucking happens and we don’t no elim

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yeet has been hinting it so heavily and obviously since forever that at first i thought it couldn't be real bc who would do that

No Yeet hasn’t

Yeet wouldn’t say it’s not 100% if he has a role related reason Galron was town otherwise Yeet would say it’s a sure thing

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I think Yeet is just being bad overall

If they have an inno they should claim it and 100% sure it and explain why it wasn’t 100% sure before

If they don’t we should elim Galron immediately.

I don’t think Yeet has an inno

Their play doesn’t match it today at all.

They’d have gone hard after Fua in the Fua v Skitter debacle for starters

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skitter was extremely town at start of D2, just trust me I doubt she plays it that way. I’m not 100% but I would say I have a pretty strong read there. Arguments for Galron scum are super weak. This is one of those flashwagons that is probably scum motivated taking advantage of confusion and scrambling

This is saying “I don’t have an inno on Galron but I think Galron is town”

Saying I am scum motivated is ridiculous.

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This just sounds like Math pride denying possible innos. I'm on and off in court all day but I'll check in when I can.

VOTE: Malcom

Why the fuck are you competing with Boon and Vp and Galron for the scummiest play?

C’mon sis

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So you think yeet softs some type of info they don't have to save a buddy going down, potentially tanking half great scum team? That's some wild ass play.

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I think they’re desperate and trying literally anything

If they had an inno it would be 100%

They said it’s not so then it’s just a read at best

A read they won’t explain in the fact of damn fine cases

The prior slot did a scum tell and nothing and repped out

The replace in did nothing then when posted faked reads probably

This isn’t rocket science

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Intent so we have a fucking elim

But VP Galron Boon Titus and Yeet all need death tomorrow

This Malcolm wagon should have never happened.

I am strongly against this Malcolm wagon and will only hammer it at the last possible second

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I should have just hard tunnelled boon

I was an idiot thinking I could try to converse with people and for that I am sorry.

Boon scum always wins a charisma fight

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The fact you’re arguing against a fucking mason who says the slot is town and has said so repeatedly should tell you this flips town

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Math, we gotta get you to town read me if you live tomorrow. I'm really hoping scum dont kill you because they think you'll go after me, and then you come out going "Surprise! it was all a ruse!"

Lol

If Malcolm is town as I suspect and I live I am never townreading you instantly going for VP or Galron and if you try to stop me you’re dead.

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i forgot that masons are given a list of alignments along with their role pm, mb

It means you’re more likely than not siding with scum

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The fact you’re arguing against a fucking mason who says the slot is town and has said so repeatedly should tell you this flips town

Town=/=correct.

Conftown are high targets for agency capture.

You worded this much better than I did. So clean and simple to understand too.

It means town > rand odds of being on the right wagon

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Math just hammer Malcolm. If he's town we get to go ape shit on his voters and if he's scum then we are closer to our wincon.

No

VOTE: VP

I will give as much time as possible to a wagon I will feel will hit scum

I will only hammer Malcolm if no chance of VP or Galron

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Tene, thoughts on wagons?

Same as ever:

VP is scum
Malcolm might be scum if I'm wrong but I would prefer the other options
I moved off Galron solely because of Yeet

I haven't thought very hard about who is where and whether that bothers me.

Hey, Tene. I defended you super hard at the beginning of the day, and your inverse scum read is the wagon I want, wanna hammer it?

I won't defend VPB tomorrow if I'm wrong.

Fire thinks it could be both of them anyways.

If Malcolm is town as I suspect fucking vig Boon
Elim Galron or VP

Then Titus after

Yeet can just be bad town

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it will never work!! i am unpocketable!!! i am strongggg!!!

Spoiler:

this is 100% a lie. i am, unlike VP, very much a fool for charisma. but at least i know it

What are the odds of you voting VP over Malcolm?

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VOTE: Malcolm

Don’t bother this is the best way to prove Boon scum

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Malcolm I am sorry.

Good luck everyone

Vig boon

Elim VP

Then Galron follows
And Titus follows

Good luck

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VOTE: Malcolm

Don’t bother this is the best way to prove Boon scum

And that proves anything how?

Simple VCA and day play

Boon did anything g possible to avoid VP and Galron

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VOTE: Galron

No I haven’t read anything

Work is exploding

Have like zero time to post.

I still think Galron is scum.

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VP, I need a bit to review what you wrote.

Not a problem. It is a lot. I hate big cases like that, but it really stuck out in my notes, so I felt like this is a time I should wrote out all my thoughts.

Alright, I read most of your case. However, I don't expect all three of Nero/Frogster/Dragons to be scum. All three scum going in on an agency capture move is highly unlikely. Second, Nero is easily distractable and stubborn. He's not MathBlade levels of stubborn but still stubborn. A denial of a soft could come as much as pride rather than anything else. I don't see all three scum pushing a soft clear as they'd be boned if a flash wagon appeared. I'd look at people who pushed Galron exclusively as it was a sign they couldn't make content.

I do feel you cased DV the best in your post.

I don't like tene saying protect Math or else with an invest soft in the game.

Then there's scorpious and eyes.

The problem is I'm not left with an aggressive scum unless I am wrong somewhere.

I don’t like any of those three for scum

If I am wrong somewhere on VP/Galron/April/you could swap in tene

Yes I am aware Yeet checked Galron no I don’t really care his defense was that bad

AND having two scum in that hood makes hella sense if Galron is traitor.

Yes I am tunnelled but I really think VP+Galron is a thing and Galron slipped

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Like that role PM from Yeet is a huge freaking clue that a traitor likely exists

So I really wanna nuke in the hood if at all possible

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I have to go. Crit role 7th anniversary.

But I wanna see what boon does here. They’ve been quiet

I know it’s been a few hours but I want to see how they shift their reads.

Because they’re also a mighty fine elim.

Pedit: Nope I am AFK for a few hours. It can sit

I think VP is traitor to be clear.

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math....gal is either town or a traitor

Derp

I got the person checked backwards in my head

VOTE: VP

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How many normals have 3rd parties?

Asking because this is my first normal game here after all. Also because Nero seems to be discussing traitor (I have reservations with the Nero slot)

Traitor was in Yeet’s role PM.

Very fair to discuss traitor

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Question chain for Titus/April especially but anyone who wishes to answer: is my theorizing Scum have a traitor based on Yeet flip sound? If yes, would it be likely traitor + 1 scum in the hood?

This reminds me of my busted traitor game I had where I had a hood with one scum buddy and I was traitor.

This has that “feel”.

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someone from the mafia team always carries out the kill, right? the person who did would then show up neg to a psychologist. i thought that was like the whole idea behind the role

wiki:

It does however have a drawback: if a player has already killed, the Psychologist can no longer discern whether this player is capable of doing so.

I was going from the exact wording of role PM versus wiki.

Might help to privately ask the mods how that would work.

Since this is a normal you’re probably right.

But regardless I really want Galron or VP.

If scum had their pick of three wagons EoD someone woulda been hammered.

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If scum had their pick of three wagons EoD someone woulda been hammered.

what's the logic there? if all 3 wagons are town wouldn't scum be more likely to just let them sit and let a town hammer? and alternatively if 1 or 2 of the wagons are scum wouldn't malcolm have been hammered faster?

Mainly the longer all three town wagons sit the more likely town wakes up and then notices it

It’s more likely one of the wagons is scum given the resistance

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I’m totally fine dying today.

I’m VT.

If anyone thinks I’m scum who would actively kill Yeet, my number 1 supporter, lol.

I’d much rather you answer my questions and check my mech spec out that there’s like two scum in that hood.

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So while I’ll fight for my defense, if I use some empathy for other townies, I can’t disagree that I’m not a good fade.

I actually find it weirder you are doing this whole woe is me thing. Feels like acting.

I don't think anyone with sway is out here pushing you rn. I would appreciate if you just help me solve the game.

I also was posting all of that prior to reading the day, but now I’ve caught up, and realize.

I’m gonna officially obvconftown myself.

Everyone, you are free to treat me as Math’s tertiary Mason.

@Math - I didn’t see the questions you asked. I’m gonna step away for a bit, but I’ll look for your response whenever I get the chance.

This requires me to trust you. It’s taking everything I have to go after VP/Galron right now instead of you.

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Smh.

Math, your reads are terrible. You're speculating about possibilities just to keep Galron as a suspect today. VP doesn't open like that as scum imo. He left citations, so almost everything he said is verifiable.

I don't think any of VP Galron or April are scum.

IMO your reads are terrible and you’re in my solve.

Why do you say VP doesn’t do citations as scum? Have you played with scum him?

Why did you dodge my questions to you? I am not hyperposting so shouldn’t be hard to find

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Yeet

has been found dead. He was a

Town 3-Shot Psychologist

Yeet

You are a

Town 3-Shot Psychologist

Each day you may talk in the game thread and vote on who to eliminate.

Three times during the game you may visit a player at night to investigate their ability to kill. Assuming no interference, you will be informed "PLAYERNAME is capable of killing.", "PLAYERNAME is not capable of killing or has already killed.", or "You got no result from investigating PLAYERNAME." at the end of the night. Players capable of killing are members of the

Mafia

other than

Traitors

,

Serial Killers

and

Vigilantes

who have not yet killed

You win when all threats to the town are dead, and at least 1 town aligned player is alive.

The game thread is here, please confirm your role and alignment via pm.

….
Traitors is specifically in Yeet’s role PM

Odds of traitor or SK increase greatly.

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Why do you say VP doesn’t do citations as scum? Have you played with scum him?

It's not just a single cutation and not a meta argument. It's a gamestate one. The fact we are losing PRs like flies and only getting miseliminations is very demoralizing. It would be easy to phone it in rather than try hard. After all, scum haven't needed to do much. With you leading, they still don't.

Lmao that’s a joke.

I never have been able to lead

It’s everyone else saying I suck then taking over

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The gamestate sucks because scum have been in control over conf town
Every fucking day

My spoons are like zero and you saying I was in control when I barely dodged prods is factually wrong and absurd

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And what do you make of me saying there is evidence of a traitor based on me having been in a traitor scum game recently and this has similar vibes? Is VP allowed to make a gamestate argument and not me?

I cited the comparison.

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Why do you say VP doesn’t do citations as scum? Have you played with scum him?

It's not just a single cutation and not a meta argument. It's a gamestate one. The fact we are losing PRs like flies and only getting miseliminations is very demoralizing. It would be easy to phone it in rather than try hard. After all, scum haven't needed to do much. With you leading, they still don't.

Lmao that’s a joke.

I never have been able to lead

It’s everyone else saying I suck then taking over

That Galron wagon was your doing. :/

The VP pressure is your doing.

The April push is your doing.

Your suggesting things gives them credibility whether you feel that way or not.

And yet none of them have flipped and all of them are probably scum.

I fail to see the problem

The more you shade me rather than work with me the more I wanna vote you and be done with it.

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VOTE: Titus

Nope. I am done. You can’t just say VP is right because citations then say I am wrong without reason and say “it will bite you in the ass”.

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Yeah no. It’s shade. All you did is say “I am wrong” sans reason

It’s weak sauce

Push someone else or clarify and I will read tomorroe

I give zero fucks because you’re not contributing and this VP/Galron/you block is toxic af when Galron scumslipped

I can’t have him so I go for VP

I am told no VP

This is bullshit.

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You’re just doing defense

Hunt Titus.

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Like this is me restrained

If I had a four shot vig I would shoot all four of you (VP/Galron/Boon/you) no regrets. None.

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It’s not a clear. As been explained several times

My experience > a not clear maybe town check

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I gave you reasons. I told you why scum don't do what VP did. I felt his statements were largely accurate. I told you there's a likely clear on Galron. If there's a clear, he can't slip.

It's not "toxic" to disagree with you.

I already gave scumreads today and yesterday. There's plenty to engage on. Scorpious, eyes, DV, tend and one of Nero/Frogstar/Dragons. Weaker on tend and Nero.

It is when you ignore all of my rational points for “wrong”.

You ignore my mech spec (which you’re usually good at)

To reach bad conclusions

If you’re town you’d be hunting almost exclusively in that hood

Like just Nero Galron or Cape or VP.

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You’re stretching shit trying to expand the elim pool and it pisses me off

There’s no way there’s a 4 player fake masonry and a actual masonry and a semi sorta cop

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So even if you say VP and Galron are scum and I am “bad” you push Nero or Cape

This isn’t town you.

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Sure. There's possible doubt. Everything in life is open to possible or imaginary doubt. However, doubting yeet's soft is unreasonable given the circumstances. Scum likely knew yeet's result to be true. Otherwise, they don't kill him there most likely. For scum to know that, Galron couldn't be the traitor.

Again more bad spec

You don’t leave a cop alive unless you make a mistake (see Calculasia)

Yeet’s kill points to no one and saves no one

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I wonder if scum will even lose a member this game. It feels unlikely.

In this I agree

I shouldn’t have to fight to have a bit of respect and shouldn’t have to shout over blanket unexplained “wrong”.

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So even if you say VP and Galron are scum and I am “bad” you push Nero or Cape

This isn’t town you.

Cape's not in my pool?

Like are we reading the same thread?

And that’s my point

If you’re town and thought I was wrong on VP/Galron Nero or Cape would be your elim pool

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Tomato tomato
By cop role that can investigate

Yeet kill is NAI because PR

We nuke in that hood today.

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And we keep fucking nuking til we hit scum.

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If yeet hadn't flipped PR, scum effectively gift a town Galron. They only make that kill in a town Galron world Math.

I respect you, but I won't follow you.

No they did not.
Traitor is a possibility and is in fact the probability.
Galron is proven and admitted faking reads.

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Far as I am concerned anyone not hunting in that hood of four is intentionally antitown or scum.

So I give zero ducks if you don’t want to find scum where it’s likely you can die.

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If yeet hadn't flipped PR, scum effectively gift a town Galron. They only make that kill in a town Galron world Math.

I respect you, but I won't follow you.

No they did not.
Traitor is a possibility and is in fact the probability.
Galron is proven and admitted faking reads.

Even if we knew Galron to be a 100% guaranteed traitor, we would not elim him right now. We need real results.

Then vote VP Nero or Cape

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Far as I am concerned anyone not hunting in that hood of four is intentionally antitown or scum.

So I give zero ducks if you don’t want to find scum where it’s likely you can die.

I love being intentionally antitown. What fun it is.

VP is probably scum, but if I could not get him yesterday, why would I be able to today? And if I'm being honest, I also got bored of voting him.

That is a defeatist attitude

That’s like saying D1 we elimmed town so guess we never do

It’s why you keep fighting

If you think VP is scum vote him and try.

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Ok, I don't think you can be reasoned with right now. You have confirmed town with an investigation stating you are wrong. You're forcing a result that makes zero sense with the nightkill. You're dismissing VP's wall without discussing its details or analyzing it. You asked for my reads but won't discuss them. I'm done with a broken record. I'm going to talk to other people.

I did discuss them
You’re not following the mech spec and I found them ridiculous and probably scum

Town you doesnt think there’s a four person masonry.

So no I can’t be reasoned to a BS conclusion to elim outside the hood.

Because it’s bullshit

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People on this site care so much what others do with their votes. I get consolidating at end of day, but I fail to see the point in telling at least half the scum they don't need to sweat because we're intentionally ignoring them. Keeping them playing a little worried is one of our greatest weapons. With no pressure they can build beautiful monuments to appearing town and distancing.

We need a scum elim at this point.

Narrowing the pool gets that done.

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Nah what other people will do is clear

It’s ignore math

Make me the patsy when it all goes to shit and get called bad and wrong without substantiation

We need people to actually follow the fucking mason to an elim which would happen if it was anyone but me

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I specifically said Malcolm is town get told I am bad

Hell maybe I should campaign that VP isn’t scum and Mizzy isn’t the mod?

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Town you doesnt think there’s a four person masonry.

I didn't say there was. I'm just not scumreading any of them individually. The majority are likely town too. I'm not going to vote based on setup spec.

That sounds like a you problem.

You’re pitching almost certainly bad reads

Fix them if you’re town before calling me bad

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Nah what other people will do is clear

It’s ignore math

Make me the patsy when it all goes to shit and get called bad and wrong without substantiation

We need people to actually follow the fucking mason to an elim which would happen if it was anyone but me

You seem to have forgotten that we did run up Galron before he was semi-cleared.

1) He’s not clear
2) He’s not been flipped
3) He’s scum

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Where is this almost clear Galron?

Why is he following his scum meta to a T? Which is almost never fucking post?

Like Galron is scum.

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As a Mason you do get more say than the rest of us but that does not make you king.

You’re right I do get more say
And that has been fucking ignored all game

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Nah what other people will do is clear

It’s ignore math

Make me the patsy when it all goes to shit and get called bad and wrong without substantiation

We need people to actually follow the fucking mason to an elim which would happen if it was anyone but me

You seem to have forgotten that we did run up Galron before he was semi-cleared.

1) He’s not clear
2) He’s not been flipped
3) He’s scum

I cannot work with someone who has no interest in my thoughts any more than you feel you can do the same.

You’re not interested in mine

You labeled him as clear already.

So you’ve labeled me as wrong before I began.

It’s the same damn hole and problem.

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As a Mason you do get more say than the rest of us but that does not make you king.

You’re right I do get more say
And that has been fucking ignored all game

My point was that it hasn't. We listened to you about Galron until the available evidence changed. I am sorry that you are having trouble factoring in that evidence but I am not going to pretend it does not exist.

And I disagree with your point.

If we had actually not had me fight for control we’d have Galron’s likely scum flip here.

Town Galron posts and scum Galron doesn’t. It’s blatant.

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And hell like I said if you disagree with that Nero or Cape or VP should be the elim

Asking me to elim town is silly and I won’t support it.

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We’ve had 5000 posts for “thoughts”

We need a fucking PoE and a scum elim.

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And hell like I said if you disagree with that Nero or Cape or VP should be the elim

Asking me to elim town is silly and I won’t support it.

I don't subscribe to the setup speculation that is leading you here.

So you think town has
4 person fake masonry
A fake guilty in a vig
And a two town masonry

Yeah just no
That doesn’t pass a review

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Are you positing the scumteam claimed they were in a neighborhood D1? If not, there's town in your list. In fact, half town probably at least even in your setup.

Second, Math persuasion is not about control but cooperation. Town can discuss their reads but a solid townblock has different skills that come together for the ultimate prize. A good leader looks for people who are willing to discuss but disagree. A good town leader doesn't seek control to push their answer.

See Titus v. Alisae

I tried cooperating yesterday

I got made fun of and bad

So this is the only option left is repetitive

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You being conf town means you have the spot of everyone trying to appease you to get town read, Math, meaning that there's likely going to be some gaps from scum actively putting effort into not getting put on the conf town's naughty list.

It’s posts like this over and over

Where I am inherently wrong because mason or me

And I am sick of that

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So if you say I am wrong bring receipts

Explain how that setup passes review or vote in that hood

It’s the same problem I had in the game I just got out of

I was right in scum bussed

But I was shut out because “Math”

There is scum in that hood.

Argue all you want on who, but at least one scum is in it.

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VOTE: Galron

If you all are going to look in majority town I am at least leaving my vote as a protest one.

Good night

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As a mason, you have to be open to possibilities that you are wrong. The more you tunnel, the less influence you have because people know it's not from a guilty and it makes your posts look more like desperation than evidence. Chill out. Enjoy the game. Play mind tricks on people. You can take risks and engage in scummy behavior to get reads. Abuse the conftown privilege there.

That’s what yesterday was and I was brutally ignored

If cooperating and discussion doesn’t work what the hell else is there?

Everyone just says no and does something else

There’s no discussion to be had

Do your dumb shit I have to be up in 4-5 hours

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Can you at least give an opinion of eyes when you wake up Math?

Town good night

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Serious question: Are we looking for scum or are we looking for things we don't like in each other's playstyles? because it seems to me everybody has been looking on the game from their own perspective and how the other should be playing not whether the other is making something that looks like it's scum driven.

Also everybody (in general and not just in this game) assume they are smart and everybody else is dumb. "scum will push this and not that" may only work if -say- someone is being tricky, but I don't think having a different opinion or changing one's opinion or some other shit that every player does regardless of their alignment qualifies as a reason to scum read someone.

@Deas: regarding 3702 what would you have done in that situation? Imagine that you were not being pushed at one point and then the tide changes and you are the leading wagon. Would you still sit back and relax or would you try to at least defend yourself? I think we both know the answer to that and that -again- is regardless of the color of your PM.

Scum doesn’t write this when winning

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Serious question: Are we looking for scum or are we looking for things we don't like in each other's playstyles? because it seems to me everybody has been looking on the game from their own perspective and how the other should be playing not whether the other is making something that looks like it's scum driven.

Also everybody (in general and not just in this game) assume they are smart and everybody else is dumb. "scum will push this and not that" may only work if -say- someone is being tricky, but I don't think having a different opinion or changing one's opinion or some other shit that every player does regardless of their alignment qualifies as a reason to scum read someone.

@Deas: regarding 3702 what would you have done in that situation? Imagine that you were not being pushed at one point and then the tide changes and you are the leading wagon. Would you still sit back and relax or would you try to at least defend yourself? I think we both know the answer to that and that -again- is regardless of the color of your PM.

This is a good post.

Here dead town agreeing with me

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Malcolm I am sorry.

Good luck everyone

Vig boon

Elim VP

Then Galron follows
And Titus follows

Good luck

It’s shit like this where I think VP is scum
He said I scumread Yeet. I realized end of day Yeet was bad town

My solve is pretty much 2 in the hood and April and Titus and I think those two are VP and Galron

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If Galron was scum, then killing yeet leaves other PRs alive and suggests Galron is town because scum only shoot yeet to fear his results.

This is a good point by Titus I think. Scum had to shoot yeet for fear of getting caught. If Galron was scum, that probably doesn't happen. Or at least is less likely to happen.

That’s a horrible point by Titus.

Yeet kill is wine because PR.

If Galron is scum as I suspect then you have the fake “clear” to protect him

As he follows his scum meta and still doesn’t post

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Math, people are ignoring you because your solve is hare-brained and full of spec and then you call people scum for not agreeing with you.

I'm in the same boat as you that I can't really get sway toward my solve, but you can't burn every bridge and just insist you're right because you are a mason.

If you want to have an honest conversation, I'm here, but I will largely ignore you if this is going to be your approach to the game. There have been several listed reasons why galron is more likely town than scum. There have been stated reasons why I'm more likely town than scum. Yeet and HEM, two confirmed towns, both seemed to be town reading me at their time of death, further making it unlikely someone like me would want them dead.

Try to work with people here please. I don't think your solve or plan to get there is anywhere remotely near correct.

I am trying to work with people

A solve you don’t understand isn’t “harebrained”

This is exactly the problem I am talking about

In order to have an honest conversation you have to not be framing everything negatively.

HEM was NOT TRing you a fact I said several times

I was and HEM convinced me otherwise

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He said I scumread Yeet. I realized end of day Yeet was bad town

So....you did scum read yeet and then changed your mind.

Have some humility.

Yes I can change my mind.

What’s your point here?

I do have humility I am frustrated with you consistently lying about what I am saying when it’s verifiable you are

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VP's PoE to victory:

Town to probably town:

VP Baltar
MathBlade
Galron
fireisredsir
Titus
April Ludgate
Cape90

Scum are almost all here:

Frogsterking
Save The Dragons
Nero Cain
Eyes without a face

Get out of my dreams and into my car (aka, work a little bit to prove you are town if you're in this pool):

DeasVail
Enchant
tenebrousluminary
Scorpious

I don’t like these reads

Fire and eyes and enchant and maybe (?) Nero and myself can be a townblock

I don’t trust hardly anyone else enough

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I also really don’t like how I posted a good reason to TR eyes and Titus is still voting eyes I think.

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VOTE: VP

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Like Math's current proposition is that Nero VP and Galron are scum together? They outed their scum PT as a hood D1 and that the result on Galron is irrelevant and Nero and VP came out swinging at each other despite hard winning?

No it’s not. Wtf?

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he is saying that voting in the hood is correct play today. i don't think he said anywhere that there were 3 scum in the hood. he thinks there's 2

Correct this is correct

This is why I like fire and to a point tene

Even if we disagree they are stating what I am saying correctly

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The problem is I don't feel Nero or VP or Cape is scum...

So your feelings are wrong

A setup doesn’t exist where 1/3-1/2 the game has secret communication where no scum can see at the start
It just doesn’t happen

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Math was pretty clearly rage voting me. I'm still open to considering his pool, and maybe I misunderstood it because he was frustrating me so bad because of how frustrated he was muddling his message. He's clearly laser focused on his hood.

Do you think we should lim there, lim outside or do you feel strongly in your own pool? I think you're voting me but I don't get why. What is your eyes read?

no he was not rage voting you, he's thought your slot was maf since he entered the game basically. your interpretation is wrong.

voting in the hood makes sense ig. im fine with that, i think. eyes is someone i had on a lot of potential scumteams but im slightly reconsidering that, idk

No it’s fair for both to be accurate

I think she’s scum and she’s pissing me off

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He said I scumread Yeet. I realized end of day Yeet was bad town

So....you did scum read yeet and then changed your mind.

Have some humility.

Yes I can change my mind.

What’s your point here?

I do have humility I am frustrated with you consistently lying about what I am saying when it’s verifiable you are

No, what I said is accurate then. You scum read Yeet galron and myself for part of the day.

I believe you when you say you adjusted your yeet read in thos last 15 hours of D1. Doesn't change the fact you made a whole deal out of his soft and added to the likelihood he got killed last night instead of getting us another result.

Therefore, what I said is not a "lie" or even in the realm of inaccurate.

I've explained why the odds are in favor of your galron read being wrong too. But the response is to say I must be scum protecting galron.

I'm really not trying to be disrespectful here, but you've been pocketed by scum for awhile now and I can't really fix that until I get a scum flip. It is a reality of the way you tend to tunnel in mafia.

1) That play was low risk high reward

I still think Galron was scum as it’s not 100%

2) If scum managed to not believe it then it’s win win as someone outed it as Yeet lives

3) If scum did believe it they’d believe it without my shade

I still think Galron is scum based on prior history

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Galron, what do you think?

This really really makes me think you have a PT with Galron btw

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is no one else concerned about april at all?

I am concerned

Like if I was a vig I shoot April

But mainly I want Boon to find the scum in the hood and explain shit

I should be policying/BoP’ing Boon but I am holding back because hood better strategically

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I still think Galron is scum based on prior history

I'm not opposed to hearing this meta read, but like, is this 100% accurate?

We know for a fact yeet risked his neck on this. I could see that very early. I'm not expecting you to side with me completely, but I hope you can understand why I have skepticism about your reads when I think you got played yesterday.

Galron has a very hard time posting as scum.
This is evident in Calculasia and comparing recent town games.

Combine that with Titus asking a supposedly inactive player a question in the main thread implies he might be active in the scum PT.

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I am at like 80-95% sure he’s scum.

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he is saying that voting in the hood is correct play today. i don't think he said anywhere that there were 3 scum in the hood. he thinks there's 2

Correct this is correct

This is why I like fire and to a point tene

Even if we disagree they are stating what I am saying correctly

The bar is truly on the floor today.

VOTE: VP

Yep

Before people knock down my arguments they should understand what they are.

Plus Titus still on eyes is gross

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Combine that with Titus asking a supposedly inactive player a question in the main thread implies he might be active in the scum PT.

He is fairly inactive in the hood. I had to ask the mod to poke him overnight. He said he assumed he was dead in this game so didn't check. /shrug

And as town wouldn’t Galron want to leave last reads or something?

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=34278

This is town Galron
70 posts on D1.

He has 19. 19!

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Combine that with Titus asking a supposedly inactive player a question in the main thread implies he might be active in the scum PT.

He is fairly inactive in the hood. I had to ask the mod to poke him overnight. He said he assumed he was dead in this game so didn't check. /shrug

And as town wouldn’t Galron want to leave last reads or something?

I think he was saying he thought he got limmed and just didn't read.

Is he doing anything now that he’s not dead?

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I feel like I'm tunneled on Baltar and Nero because that's about all of the content in the hood. What Cape has written leans me town there.

Galron, what do you think?

Galron's clear to me and had just posted and your objection is I engaged with him to get his thoughts?

Those thoughts that would help sort him, find his allies (your view) and get town working together?

See it’s stuff like this that makes me wonder in good faith you sorting.

You said Galron is clear to you but then you’re sorting him.

Which is it?

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I feel like I'm tunneled on Baltar and Nero because that's about all of the content in the hood. What Cape has written leans me town there.

Galron, what do you think?

Galron's clear to me and had just posted and your objection is I engaged with him to get his thoughts?

Those thoughts that would help sort him, find his allies (your view) and get town working together?

See it’s stuff like this that makes me wonder in good faith you sorting.

You said Galron is clear to you but then you’re sorting him.

Which is it?

Sorting him is for the collective, not for me as an individual. I'm hoping that you see that literally everyone disagrees with you would cause you to reassess. I'm giving you that credit, and you should give us the same courtesy for today given Galron is not getting limmed today.

Supposing Galron is town, what does your world look like?

VP + one of Nero/Cape/Deep wolf + you + April

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I get Galron is not being elimmed but if the wagon is primary TR of mine for the second day in a row I will protest vote

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Because I think that hood has two scum in it for mechanics reasons as I said earlier

April is a carryover of Skitter read and boon pushed Malcolm over my objections AND admitted Malcolm was about not elimming in my scumreads.

And you haven’t given me anything to TR

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And I have thought scum in Datisi/Wu

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I have to go now. There is at least one scum in that hood if not two. No way there’s zero.

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Because I think that hood has two scum in it for mechanics reasons as I said earlier

April is a carryover of Skitter read and boon pushed Malcolm over my objections AND admitted Malcolm was about not elimming in my scumreads.

And you haven’t given me anything to TR

April isn't Skitter. Galron is.

Not eliminating someone elses scumreads, even conftown, is NAI. Arguably disagreeing with conftown is more likely to come from town as scum can just select a read you are wrong on.

I misspoke

April is Ari who defended Skitter

I really gotta go

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I am at like 80-95% sure he’s scum.

Galron legit thought he was dead.

My comment doesn't prove anything but I just wanted to say it because he said it in our hood night 3 and I thought it was funny

Why did Galron think he was dead?

Did he not look at the VC?

Did he expect his partners to bus him?

This goes back to my prior theory of Galron just not checking in when he’s scum.

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1) Why wouldn't scum just force Galron through until yeet was forced to claim, thus verifying the investigation result? If Enchant is town and honestly telling, then they net a dead Galron and possibly a dead yeet/blocked yeet and dead Math?

Because if I am right Galron is scum and they won’t know how or why Yeet thinks inno

Could be Galron did the kill N1 as disposable scum
Or he’s traitor and didn’t want to risk it.

Then if they force Yeet to claim when Galron flips town learns a lot

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Ugh I really gotta go sorry I keep popping back

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1) Why wouldn't scum just force Galron through until yeet was forced to claim, thus verifying the investigation result? If Enchant is town and honestly telling, then they net a dead Galron and possibly a dead yeet/blocked yeet and dead Math?

Because if I am right Galron is scum and they won’t know how or why Yeet thinks inno

Could be Galron did the kill N1 as disposable scum
Or he’s traitor and didn’t want to risk it.

Then if they force Yeet to claim when Galron flips town learns a lot

Let's slow down and unpack this.

If Galron was the traitor, then scum would have to know that and know yeet's result would be a good one. That is unlikely given how few posts Galron had d1. A traitor communication would have been spotted. Maybe it was before he came in but it'd have to be there. Then, they'd have to assume yeet cleared a player they're assuming to be bad.

If Galron did the n1 kill as "disposable scum", then this also makes suppositions. 1) That scum would infer that he wouldn't be blocked or 2) He's a goon with PRs and there's no multitasking. and 3) no one else fits better. That's still assumptions to make. They'd also have to assume yeet got a clear that shouldn't be true. They don't know his role.

Occam's Razor applies here.

If Galron is traitor scum may not know that.

Rest is invalid fruit of poisonous tre

N1 it’s common for not read TRs or abilities don’t want to use yet to make kills.
That’s all the a group scum kill by Galron means

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Math, without referencing the hood/mechanics/votes, can you detail why VP is scum to you?

He can’t or doesn’t accurately state what I am saying as it goes against his narrative.

I have lost count of how many times I have had to correct him

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VP’s play just is all around atrocious

Combined with HEM scumread as well

It fits

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Why does it feel wrong? Iirc you’re the one that said there’s more than feelings?

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VP’s play just is all around atrocious

Combined with HEM scumread as well

It fits

I need more than just conclusions. Talk to me like fire has please.

I mean just recently VP has been demonstrated false

Galron whatever alignment you say they are admitted to fabricating reads

VP’s defense of that was just so bad

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Sigh....I kind of like fua for this exchange with fire.

Also I think Malcom is town.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: HEM

Maybe the best approach here is dueling HEM and Wu wagons since that seems to be a divide that is shaping up and I could see a world where either flips scum.

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Hood people what happened in your hood overnight?

Nero pushed me to talk about reads. I told him I'm not doing that in a hood with a potential scum, and that it was kinda antitown to push it repeatedly.

That was all.

I doubt the hood is gonna get used much until we descum it

Doesn’t wanna de scum the hood

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Why does it feel wrong? Iirc you’re the one that said there’s more than feelings?

Right. I agree with most of his wall but minus a few conclusions. I feel he's taking chances and risks to save town. I haven't read D1 but leaders on D1 are usually town unless scum really need a shakeup. Given later days, that's not likely. I've engaged with fire to where I partially see his points but I feel fire assumes scum play like he would when there's multiple ways to go about things.

I'd like you to engage me like Fire has.

That’s what I am doing

You said don’t use 3/4ths of the reasons to scum or TR someone and said to answer your question

So I am

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Why does it feel wrong? Iirc you’re the one that said there’s more than feelings?

Right. I agree with most of his wall but minus a few conclusions. I feel he's taking chances and risks to save town. I haven't read D1 but leaders on D1 are usually town unless scum really need a shakeup. Given later days, that's not likely. I've engaged with fire to where I partially see his points but I feel fire assumes scum play like he would when there's multiple ways to go about things.

I'd like you to engage me like Fire has.

That’s what I am doing

You said don’t use 3/4ths of the reasons to scum or TR someone and said to answer your question

So I am

Can you slow down and combine into one post? It's hard to follow your train of thought.

I did

You said to engage you like fire is

So I am one reason at a time

Like wtf?

His Malcolm progression is horrible and is just saving his own butt

He said he won’t use the hood until it is de scummed

This is bad hood play which you Titus would disagree with because when town you love them

But yet he doesn’t ever want to elim in the hood

The cog dissonance is real

Then there’s the never states my points right either

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Hood people what happened in your hood overnight?

Nero pushed me to talk about reads. I told him I'm not doing that in a hood with a potential scum, and that it was kinda antitown to push it repeatedly.

That was all.

I doubt the hood is gonna get used much until we descum it

Doesn’t wanna de scum the hood

This is proper sentences.

This is with citations. Namely the quoted post.

VP says the hood won’t be used until it is descummed

Yet resists all calls to do so and doesn’t push anyone in the hood.

You know what optimal hood play is.

Yet you after seeing this ask for what I already did. It’s infuriating.

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This feels like you don’t want to interact with me and can’t find anything wrong

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Hood people what happened in your hood overnight?

Nero pushed me to talk about reads. I told him I'm not doing that in a hood with a potential scum, and that it was kinda antitown to push it repeatedly.

That was all.

I doubt the hood is gonna get used much until we descum it

Doesn’t wanna de scum the hood

This is proper sentences.

This is with citations. Namely the quoted post.

VP says the hood won’t be used until it is descummed

Yet resists all calls to do so and doesn’t push anyone in the hood.

You know what optimal hood play is.

Yet you after seeing this ask for what I already did. It’s infuriating.

He's literally calling Nero scum. He's working with his townreads, which is optimal play too. Sometimes optimal play suggests to two separate things. Second, not everyone agrees with us on how hoods should operate. I can't say a different playstyle is scummy.

Calling someone scum and pushing them are two different things.

This is also 2000 posts later.

He still went a good chunk of time not wanting to elim in the hood

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1) Why wouldn't scum just force Galron through until yeet was forced to claim, thus verifying the investigation result? If Enchant is town and honestly telling, then they net a dead Galron and possibly a dead yeet/blocked yeet and dead Math?

Because if I am right Galron is scum and they won’t know how or why Yeet thinks inno

Could be Galron did the kill N1 as disposable scum
Or he’s traitor and didn’t want to risk it.

Then if they force Yeet to claim when Galron flips town learns a lot

1) Why wouldn't scum just force Galron through until yeet was forced to claim, thus verifying the investigation result? If Enchant is town and honestly telling, then they net a dead Galron and possibly a dead yeet/blocked yeet and dead Math?

Because if I am right Galron is scum and they won’t know how or why Yeet thinks inno

Could be Galron did the kill N1 as disposable scum
Or he’s traitor and didn’t want to risk it.

Then if they force Yeet to claim when Galron flips town learns a lot

Let's slow down and unpack this.

If Galron was the traitor, then scum would have to know that and know yeet's result would be a good one. That is unlikely given how few posts Galron had d1. A traitor communication would have been spotted. Maybe it was before he came in but it'd have to be there. Then, they'd have to assume yeet cleared a player they're assuming to be bad.

If Galron did the n1 kill as "disposable scum", then this also makes suppositions. 1) That scum would infer that he wouldn't be blocked or 2) He's a goon with PRs and there's no multitasking. and 3) no one else fits better. That's still assumptions to make. They'd also have to assume yeet got a clear that shouldn't be true. They don't know his role.

Occam's Razor applies here.

Agreed. The fact that they killed Yeet to me suggests that they knew Galron to be town, or at least not full scum.

And I disagree with this.

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Calling someone scum and pushing them are two different things.

This is also 2000 posts later.

He still went a good chunk of time not wanting to elim in the hood

I'm not persuaded by not eliminating in the hood. I think you're overly invested there. The possibility of him being right on his team could be why Nero's invested. I'm leaning more towards agency capture and that he's right on one of Frogstar and StD thus making him a foregone conclusion to eliminate.

And yet you ignore my reason Malcolm progression is bad? When I cited posts.

I feel you’re always going to move the goal posts and never be convinced

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Why does it feel wrong? Iirc you’re the one that said there’s more than feelings?

Right. I agree with most of his wall but minus a few conclusions. I feel he's taking chances and risks to save town. I haven't read D1 but leaders on D1 are usually town unless scum really need a shakeup. Given later days, that's not likely. I've engaged with fire to where I partially see his points but I feel fire assumes scum play like he would when there's multiple ways to go about things.

I'd like you to engage me like Fire has.

That’s what I am doing

You said don’t use 3/4ths of the reasons to scum or TR someone and said to answer your question

So I am

Can you slow down and combine into one post? It's hard to follow your train of thought.

I did

You said to engage you like fire is

So I am one reason at a time

Like wtf?

His Malcolm progression is horrible and is just saving his own butt

He said he won’t use the hood until it is de scummed

This is bad hood play which you Titus would disagree with because when town you love them

But yet he doesn’t ever want to elim in the hood

The cog dissonance is real

Then there’s the never states my points right either

Sigh....I kind of like fua for this exchange with fire.

Also I think Malcom is town.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: HEM

Maybe the best approach here is dueling HEM and Wu wagons since that seems to be a divide that is shaping up and I could see a world where either flips scum.

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Malcolm Wu and HEM are ALL flipped town

Yet VP continues to push the Math bad narrative when not a single one of you/Galron/April/VP have flipped

Malcolm goes to a strong town read to poof magically scum when convienient and that’s if I pretend VP scumread Malcolm at all

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I do not think I want to kill Titus anymore.

Why not? She’s like doing blatant scum!Titus

Misrep and discredit and ignore

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Your very stubborn in my eyes and can mask that to push town.

your boi over there VP has flipped 2 town, I haven't. Why do you think VP is town?

why do you keep acting like Malcom was my wagon?

Also, you haven't flipped anyone. That's not +town. It shows TMI.

Because it de facto was

Sure April pushed but so did you.

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It’s even more scummy if you say Malcolm isn’t your wagon because then you’re pushing no one all of yesterday and your posts are just post bloat

In the best possible light for you VP the Malcolm wagon is yours. The three wagons yesterday were you Galron and Malcolm. You TR’d Galron. So…

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I do not think I want to kill Titus anymore.

Why not? She’s like doing blatant scum!Titus

Misrep and discredit and ignore

I don't see any of these things. It looks like an honest attempt to work with you to me. I know that's not what you want to hear right now.

Misrep => Already addressed in where she doesn’t state my posts as they are
Discredit => continued negativity
Ignore => Asking me to repeat what I already did and then when I do she’s constantly looking for holes

If she was actively working with me she’d just summarize what my thoughts are

I don’t think she can as she’d agree

VP’s pushes are inconsistent => Progression from Malcolm TR to Malcolm SR is non existent. It’s a light switch flip when convenient. Says scum in hood => Devotes little to no time hunting there until just recently.

VP defends Galron even after Galron admitted to faking reads. Town doesn’t fake reads

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Sigh....I kind of like fua for this exchange with fire.

Also I think Malcom is town.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: HEM

Maybe the best approach here is dueling HEM and Wu wagons since that seems to be a divide that is shaping up and I could see a world where either flips scum.

This wasn't even remotely close to EOD or where our reads were at on each other at that point. What is this supposed to prove in your eyes?

That you have been continually and consistently pushing town all game.

Anyone who doesn’t agree is “bad” or “wrong”.

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Calling someone scum and pushing them are two different things.

This is also 2000 posts later.

Yep, I held powder until I felt confident I had found the scum in the hood. Why does that make me scum? Like, you're in this Nero world that first movers in the hood are somehow +town, but I don't think that makes any sense. Cape didn't really push limming in the hood, but thinks there is prob scum in there. Does that make him scum as well? Unlikely.

I can find people's play scummy and not be certain on their alignment, especially when it is a person who has the personality of a tween and calls people "wus". I'm not going to engage with that kind of idiocy unless I am sure on my read.

Not how scumhunting is

If you have information/likelihood scum in the hood you talk about them. Force them to do things to sort them.

Instead anytime someone tries it’s talk about someone else time

Use the hood to find the scum not “woe is me scum is here so I can’t use it”

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I had none

Could have stopped typing here because that's the point.

Damn more dodging the question wow

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I can't post muxh bc driving. I may miss things and cannot do citations or check them however I think a few things need responding to.

Tene, agency captured is a town player who unwittingly works for scum. I highly suspect that to be happening given the miseliminations on town. That's part of why I feel a need to stoo this wagon. It's major cog dis.

Again how:

Fire tene and myself surely all can’t be “agency captured”.

Why do you feel this way?

Where is the cognitive dissonance?

Is it simply you TR VP?

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I feel like VP is making it hard for townies to use the gamethread to make progress on the rest of the scumteam. I'm assuming there's a scum on the VP wagon D2 and I want to bring up the possibility that it's Dease.

I feel like Frogster is making a scummy comment and Cape should reconsider on them

Why are you referring to yourself in the third person?

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Who is Dease?

DEASE NUTS!!!!!

damnit...

I needed this laugh

And nope

I have lost desire to catch up. Will read later

This joke is not appropriate

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In this example there are two kos, which mean the black group cannot die. If white takes one ko to atari the group, black takes the other. Ultimately the black group is alive and can eventually capture white at the top. However white taking either ko is a big ko threat if any other kos break out.

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VP Baltar (6): Nero Cain, fireisredsir, MathBlade, tenebrousluminary, Enchant, Save The Dragons

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Nero Cain (2): Titus, VP Baltar
Enchant (1): Scorpious
Eyes without a face (1): Cape90

Not Voting (5): Frogsterking, DeasVail, Galron, Eyes without a face, April Ludgate

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 3 will end in (expired on 2022-03-25 22:15:00).

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If the bent four is in the corner it actually ends up being a ko if the opponent plays there first and there aren't too many outside liberties.. In theory it's possible to keep this ko going until there is nothing big enough to respond to, so in this situation the corne is considered dead

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Official Votecount 2.8

VP Baltar (6): Scorpious, tenebrousluminary, Nero Cain, Frogsterking, fireisredsir, MathBlade

[E-3]

tenebrousluminary (2): MalcolmTucker, Save The Dragons
Frogsterking (1): VP Baltar
MalcolmTucker (1): April Ludgate
Enchant (1): skitter30
skitter30 (1): Enchant
fireisredsir (1): Yeet
Cape90 (1): Datisi

Not Voting (3): DeasVail, Eyes without a face, Cape90

With 17 players alive, it takes 9 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 2 will end in (expired on 2022-03-16 09:20:00).

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After and before

What does this tell you Titus?

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Where is boon?

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Fire, if I flip town, will you stop sheeping Nero and listen to Titus?

acting like im sheeping nero when we both know i have more reasons than nero does is kinda :///

but i will reassess things ofc

You do have more reasons, but few of them are meaningful beyond strange paranoia and gut. You're lending legitimacy to Nero's marketing campaign, so it definitely is sheeping.

And I'm gonna need more from you than reassessment. This game needs strong town leaders and Titus is going to be about it after I'm dead. You have potential, but you need to think more critically. There is no way you should be limming me over Nero today if you want to solve thus 1v1. So if that is going to be the level of play, I need you to step it up.

Uhm definitionally doesn’t solving one solve the other in a 1v1?

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Based solely on those two vcs, my play reads suggest Scorpious and Frogstar planting seeds the town ran with.

Scum didn't even bother with even faking a counterwagon until April shouted the wagon down. The lack of a counterwagon usually means either boned scum, bussing scum or scum that don't give a damn. Let's discuss each in turn.

VP being boned scum at that point doesn't match with what happened unless April is agency captured town. Scum don't stick their neck on the line for a partner like that. If VP was boned scum, expect at least 1 scum on the wagon and multiple if possible. The votes should be in soon after VP was exposed. I don't believe this theory, so I can't find that moment but I include it for the sake of completion.

VP being bussed is unlikely because of the gamestate. Bussing scum generally do so early.

VP town can create apathy and a lack of desire to create counterwagons. A bird in hand is worth two in the bush.

Anything else needs a specific question.

What about the case of an authentic wagon and April running counter for scum? You just said that doesn’t happen but it’s been my theory.

VP isn’t even bothering with who is scum with Nero or anything to work with.

It’s more like “I am a better asset” which to me is false. I am cooperating with Nero and so to me if that’s the standard I elim VP over Nero

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To use your phrase “Could April be ‘agency captured’ or scum?”

It seems like they’re both scum and April is less important than VP so April tried to die

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To use your phrase “Could April be ‘agency captured’ or scum?”

It seems like they’re both scum and April is less important than VP so April tried to die

There’s no response here

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And none of us have?

You forget I am a replacement too and I know D1 was crap.

It’s even more crap if Titus is town.

It’s more a matter of today is the first 100% town driven wagon.

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first 100% town driven wagon.

what you mean is you are getting your way, and your way is right because you're a mason.

Fine. I can't find any other ways to tell you that logic is not thoughtful, and you're incorrect. I'm out of ideas truly. When I'm dead, follow my town bloc and lim some scum for a change.

I didn’t say I was right I said towndriven.

If you’re town then that almost certainly means Nero and maaaaybe Cape.

This being the first wagon that is town driven means it becomes a lot easier to find scum on it if you’re town.

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first 100% town driven wagon.

what you mean is you are getting your way, and your way is right because you're a mason.

Fine. I can't find any other ways to tell you that logic is not thoughtful, and you're incorrect. I'm out of ideas truly. When I'm dead, follow my town bloc and lim some scum for a change.

I didn’t say I was right I said towndriven.

If you’re town then that almost certainly means Nero and maaaaybe Cape.

This being the first wagon that is town driven means it becomes a lot easier to find scum on it if you’re town.

... What.

It’s called Devil’s advocate. I believe I am right but am also considering if I am wrong.

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If you’re town then that almost certainly means Nero and maaaaybe Cape.

I don't think there are two scum in the hood. You should let that go when you see my flip.

You could still be right about galron, I just don't think the odds are on it.

Look, I'm not mad at you if you need to flip me. I'm slightly frustrated because it's an ego sting to be limmed, and because I think I've put as much or more effort into this game than about anyone. I feel like half this game is gaslighting me, but all I ask is people use my flip to make much better decisions going forward.

Work with Titus. She is likely town here.

How do you explain D1 if Titus is town?

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If you’re town then that almost certainly means Nero and maaaaybe Cape.

I don't think there are two scum in the hood. You should let that go when you see my flip.

You could still be right about galron, I just don't think the odds are on it.

Look, I'm not mad at you if you need to flip me. I'm slightly frustrated because it's an ego sting to be limmed, and because I think I've put as much or more effort into this game than about anyone. I feel like half this game is gaslighting me, but all I ask is people use my flip to make much better decisions going forward.

Work with Titus. She is likely town here.

How do you explain D1 if Titus is town?

can you be more specific?

Almost every wagon (if not every wagon I don’t have my notes) that ever got above 3 people would be on town if Titus is town. That’s not an opinion either
Wu, Datisi, HEM, and myself were the only ones with serious wagons D1. Titus is Datisi.

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Pride, thy name is town. There's a reason it's a deadly sin Math.

How is this pride? I am considering you town (meaning I am wrong on you) and asking a broad question of what that means for D1.

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Pride, thy name is town. There's a reason it's a deadly sin Math.

How is this pride? I am considering you town (meaning I am wrong on you) and asking a broad question of what that means for D1.

That literally is the answer. We're literally scumreading opposition while scum sit back and watch. That's pride to assume that there's only one reasonable school of thought.

There isn’t an assumption of school of thought.

It’s starting from facts namely if you’re town every wagon D1 was on town
If VP is town and Galron is town then every wagon for the entire game has been on town

Then who is scum in that set of facts? It’s assuming what you want me to and asking broad questions.

I don’t see how this is pride.

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It’s starting from facts namely if you’re town every wagon D1 was on town
If VP is town and Galron is town then every wagon for the entire game has been on town

Then who is scum in that set of facts? It’s assuming what you want me to and asking broad questions.

Town cannibalizing its loud vocal players strongly indicates pride. Namely, slots are getting scumread because they oppose other vocal townread slots.

How many people contributed to today beyond saying VP is a good/ok elimination? There's far too many players that sat back and let this elimination go through. Scum have no interest in saving VP.

Can you please stop with this BS pride argument and just answer the question I asked you, I don’t think we’re going to see eye to eye on how me considering your worldview is me being prideful.

That just means I am prideful if I don’t and prideful if I do,

Can you please tell me who is scum from D1? If you’re town based on the wagons
And who is scum D2?

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If VP is town, scum are either doing nothing and laughing as we chase our tails, or playing embarrassingly large circles around us.

This is my answer rephrased Math. It takes out the word pride.

Who is scum if the latter?
Who is scum if the former?

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If VP is town, scum are either doing nothing and laughing as we chase our tails, or playing embarrassingly large circles around us.

This is my answer rephrased Math. It takes out the word pride.

Who is scum if the latter?
Who is scum if the former?

1- former) 5474
2 - latter) This is where we get into the position that we have one or two deep and persuasive wolves. I'd be looking deeper at my reasons for FoSing the people at the start of VP's wagon today.

I'm more inclined to believe 1.

I am more inclined for 2.

Not a single scum wagoned for 3 days in a row would take skill if VP is town.

(To be clear I don’t think this just DAing)

Order of prob is
VP scum
Most Deep wolves
Most lurker wolves

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If VP is town, scum are either doing nothing and laughing as we chase our tails, or playing embarrassingly large circles around us.

This is my answer rephrased Math. It takes out the word pride.

Who is scum if the latter?
Who is scum if the former?

1- former) 5474
2 - latter) This is where we get into the position that we have one or two deep and persuasive wolves. I'd be looking deeper at my reasons for FoSing the people at the start of VP's wagon today.

I'm more inclined to believe 1.

I am more inclined for 2.

Not a single scum wagoned for 3 days in a row would take skill if VP is town.

(To be clear I don’t think this just DAing)

Order of prob is
VP scum
Most Deep wolves
Most lurker wolves

Fair. The VCs don't force either possibility. That's a reasonable opinion, even if I don't agree. Who would you think are the deep wolves pushing VP if he's town?

I’d rather you do the leg work first

I haven’t seen the narrative focus from Town Titus.

And yes the VCs do if you’re town.

Lurker scum is supported if you’re scum and VP town.

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I mean it's possible Nero could be scum playing up the pride angle. It's possible fire is chainsawing for eyes and wanting to break up me and VP working together. It's possible tene got caught reaching to not protect yeet. It's possible Enchant is not a vig and lying.

None of these things feel especially likely. Multiple need to be true in order for this to be true.

I need to reset somewhere unless all the town on VP are agency captured.

Here you are Math.

And that’s where I have a problem TRing you

You don’t have any viable narrative for a scumread

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I mean it's possible Nero could be scum playing up the pride angle. It's possible fire is chainsawing for eyes and wanting to break up me and VP working together. It's possible tene got caught reaching to not protect yeet. It's possible Enchant is not a vig and lying.

None of these things feel especially likely. Multiple need to be true in order for this to be true.

I need to reset somewhere unless all the town on VP are agency captured.

Here you are Math.

And that’s where I have a problem TRing you

You don’t have any viable narrative for a scumread

?????
I have scumreads. I fully expect one of those rare scenarios to be right but I doubt it's two or more. That doesn't mean I lack scumreads. It means I don't want to attack loud vocal, high risk, low reward people on a theory I find less likely to be accurate when there's slots doing nothing.

Since you're in favor of deep wolves, do you think any of them are sound if VP town?

I get you’re saying people are scum but there’s no

“Nero’s scum because he’s (something he is doing)”

You come really close to something but nothing feels right

How I understand your post is VP feels town
But I can’t find any scum that feel right.

One of those two things is wrong

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Notice how Nero dips out of thread when people are doing his dirty work for him?

This isn’t a marathon

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Notice how Nero dips out of thread when people are doing his dirty work for him?

This isn’t a marathon

Never said it was

Then Nero doesn’t have to respond immediately

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We know HEM and I was TVT wagons we’re both masons.

Town can and do drive wagons on town.

I just have a hard time believing it’s close to 10 times in a row.

What’s more likely is VP is scum.

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We know HEM and I was TVT wagons we’re both masons.

Town can and do drive wagons on town.

I just have a hard time believing it’s close to 10 times in a row.

What’s more likely is VP is scum.

And if VP is town, we can refresh this discussion if we're both alive. I think it's genuinely hard for you to consider VP town given you'd have to face scum have been in control and it's time for a new direction. You naturally mistrust me and you're reluctant to reconsider what you feel to be strong evidence. You're a holdout juror. That's great for whichever side persuades you, but there's plenty of jury instructions warning against making up your mind too soon.

I expect to die either way.

If VP is scum April has to die. Like required
If VP is town Nero has to die like required

This is where I am at

And no I don’t want to go flip April or Nero first

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this game really makes me think of that time I hard pushed one of Titus' buddies and she hard defended them + attacked me

See math. He was around

Or you know he has a life?

It’s a foreign concept to me I know

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this game really makes me think of that time I hard pushed one of Titus' buddies and she hard defended them + attacked me

???? I'm leaning town on you. How can you say that I'm attacking you here. That's not consistent with what's happening.

Also, who am I hard defending? VP? You think that I go to this length to defend a dead man walking when the best response is to shut up dead buddies?

Yes you’ve been hard defending VP all day

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the problem with VP and Titus is that neither of them are pushing where they think scum are. On d2 VP was content to sit on Malcolm instead of try to get a wagon going on Frog or whoever was his "numba 1 scumread!" and today Titus is voting me despite pushing a eyes/deas/scorp scum team

This exactly.

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this game really makes me think of that time I hard pushed one of Titus' buddies and she hard defended them + attacked me

???? I'm leaning town on you. How can you say that I'm attacking you here. That's not consistent with what's happening.

Also, who am I hard defending? VP? You think that I go to this length to defend a dead man walking when the best response is to shut up dead buddies?

Yes you’ve been hard defending VP all day

Yes. If I was scum with VP, I'd have him shut up. Reads only give town more to work with. Particularly the rule of 3. If VP is scum here, I'll eat my hat.*


*Not a bet, just a confidence expression.

You’re not that controlling as a scum buddy

Imho this kinda just furthers the
April is caught (so Boon shut up) and VP is scum and it’s a 1-2 it becomes a matter of if it is 1-2-3

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VP's "leadership" has netted us nothing but dead town.

time to stop bitching and start a revolution

Well, I tried a revolution.........

By pushing no one lmao

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also, someone (prob VP and Titus) keep talking about how we are in such a bad place but even if we are the only reason we are is b/c we didn't vote out VP yesterday like we should have.

This. 100%

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VOTE: unvote

I have to work Saturday and I don’t want a quick elim and I want to have fun with something other than mafia for a few hours before it all goes to crap because my dysphoria is like level 11. My opinions haven’t changed just don’t want a quick hammer

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VOTE: April Come post if you want this removed.

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I lowkey feel like Boon is just "giving up" in the hopes that we lim him instead of VP...again.

Then we get a scum elim. If Boon doesn’t post we get a scum elim first then can sort VP. Who probably flips scum if April is.

I don’t like Boon is just gone.

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MalcolmTucker (9): Eyes without a face,

Yeet

, April Ludgate, Scorpious,

Galron

, VP Baltar, Titus, fireisredsir,

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the 4 scum are here.

I'm giving scorp some leeway since he's tene's town read he's just sorta LHF that scum could try to mislim.

but between April, VP, Eyes, Titus and Fire is prob the scum team.

There are never 4 scum on this wagon.
2-3 max.

Btw I think exactly 3

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The three I think are involves you scum.

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Math, quick question, how many bad guys do you think there are?

4-5

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How many bad guys do you think there are?

Me? Or math?

Both. I'm thinking about what to do next.

Looking at what has been revealed so far about town power, and if you assume Enchant is a town vig being RBed, then 4. More than that would seem OP for scum is my guess.

We have masons, an investigative and a vig. I'm leaning 5 because in most setup runs conftown would quickly outnumber scum. I'm wanting to check my work.

This is why scum has to be in the hood Titus. You’re so close

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Disagree with my VP and Galron reads fine

But there’s no way in a 19 P game
Scum have 2 masons with unseen communication
4 players with unseen communication
And a cop
And a vig

That’s a never passing review.

So scum has to be in that hood.

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That’s what I mean by “fake masons” btw. Theyd be masons in all but name.

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wrote:

Yeet’s flip. It’s psychologist but cop esque

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holy crap i thought i posted more in this game 22 posts wow i'm probably scum

dragons crumbing traitor y/y

mostly kidding but also kind of not

Nah I don’t like how Titus keeps arguing 0 scum in the hood

It’s likely traitor is in that hood with a group scum.

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Oh, so Galron is scum. Lol.

???

I’d like an explanation here

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I am kinda wondering if Titus is scum and buddying (or scum with) VP and she knows how many scum there are and that’s a scum slip from Tene and Tene thinks Galron is traitor

Help stuck in paranoia loop.

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Titus is scum yes.

It’s the rest I am concerned about.

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I am kinda wondering if Titus is scum and buddying (or scum with) VP and she knows how many scum there are and that’s a scum slip from Tene and Tene thinks Galron is traitor

Help stuck in paranoia loop.

Math, I will actually help you if you want to work with me. You're getting rolled by Nero though.

I don’t think that’s the case.

I think you’re wrong on Nero whatever you’re alignment

Nero’s the least likely scum in the hood

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Nero’s the least likely scum in the hood

Ok, convince me of that. Why?

He thinks you’re scum and is pushing you?

I mean I don’t know how you TR people so I don’t know how to convince you

Especially since I don’t even know if you will be convinced.

I am pretty sure it’s a 1v1 and you’re more likely scum than Nero

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Maybe there is a shot to lim scum today fire.

I am halfway convinced to flash wagon tene

Those posts are bad

Like tene isn’t in the hood but it feels either blatant suck up or a slip.

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If you're willing to see that VP is town, then VP might not be the automatic elimination. We're starting to talk about the game as a whole. It's a long shot but we have scum in my pool.

I don’t think VP is town but I am not sure if he’s the right elim.

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Maybe there is a shot to lim scum today fire.

I am halfway convinced to flash wagon tene

Those posts are bad

Like tene isn’t in the hood but it feels either blatant suck up or a slip.

If that was a slip in the way I believe you mean it, I would not have used the word "scum." I would have said "oh, Galron is our traitor." But it wasn't one.

I just find it weird to have someone agree with me after all this resistance

Like April and Galron would be my top two elims

Where is boon?

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I guess let’s ask this:

Who doesn’t think VP/Nero is SVT or TVS?

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Vanilla Townie and two Mafia Goons walks in home of MathBlade.

MathBlade tells "Oh, i have 3 bullet as well!". And shots Townie 3 times.

Ironically when I have a vig I am normally really good. It’s the rare times on MS I am good as town.

Can we like not do this please?

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What part of we cannot elim outside of the hood is not understood?

No one besides Titus has said it’s not TvS.

No one

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Maybe there is a shot to lim scum today fire.

I am halfway convinced to flash wagon tene

Those posts are bad

Like tene isn’t in the hood but it feels either blatant suck up or a slip.

If that was a slip in the way I believe you mean it, I would not have used the word "scum." I would have said "oh, Galron is our traitor." But it wasn't one.

I just find it weird to have someone agree with me after all this resistance

Like April and Galron would be my top two elims

Where is boon?

I still don't want to eliminate him, we need to find real scum today. It's not all that big a change from my previously expressed stance.

How is boon not “real scum”?

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1/4 = 25%

3/11 = 27%

Yes. That is factually correct.

However the entire game barring you thinks there is scum in the hood
AND
The odds of two places scum can never see of secret chat is absymally low

Even if assume kill masons N1 and N2

You’d have secret communication until Day 6 at best.

That’s just not feasible to pass review

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Do we have just 11 people alive?

15. Four in hood. 11 out. The odds were the chances of hitting scum at random excluding Mathblade.

To be fair, if you exclude Galron, the random odds of hitting scum in and out of the hood become exactly even.

So then why are you continually trying to not elim in the hood?

If you think VP and Galron are town push Nero or Cape

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1/4 = 25%

3/11 = 27%

Yes. That is factually correct.

However the entire game barring you thinks there is scum in the hood
AND
The odds of two places scum can never see of secret chat is absymally low

Even if assume kill masons N1 and N2

You’d have secret communication until Day 6 at best.

That’s just not feasible to pass review

Correct, but shouldn't the odds be to the highest odds, even if we assume the scum in the hood.

Like if you insist, I'll vote VP solely because he and you cannot be in elo together.

I am doing what is the highest odds AND where every player in the game but you agrees

Why are you torpedoing town agreement?

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1/4 = 25%

3/11 = 27%

Yes. That is factually correct.

However the entire game barring you thinks there is scum in the hood
AND
The odds of two places scum can never see of secret chat is absymally low

Even if assume kill masons N1 and N2

You’d have secret communication until Day 6 at best.

That’s just not feasible to pass review

Correct, but shouldn't the odds be to the highest odds, even if we assume the scum in the hood.

Like if you insist, I'll vote VP solely because he and you cannot be in elo together.

I am doing what is the highest odds AND where every player in the game but you agrees

Why are you torpedoing town agreement?

I went over that cognitive disonnance. I'm not torpedoing it. I'm accepting that VP will likely be the lim. I'm just wanting to discuss everything, including the possibility of me being wrong or y'all being wrong. I'm willing to discuss any situation that's reasonably possible.

Except you’re not coming at it from a discussion of where you’re wrong.

It’s been proven you are.

It’s more you asserting things

The more you do this the more I want to discard what you are saying.

What actions are you doing to resolve the cognitive dissonance?

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some thoughts

1) i think it's really risky to not flip in the hood today. we might have a better chance at hitting scum if we flip someone like deas, but if he's town, we've gotten nowhere. and if the whole hood is alive at elo there's no shot we win tbh
2) i think if scum april hard pushes malc yday, she has a plan for today. if her plan was to disappear and let someone else lead, then i think she's partnered with someone else who is active and talkative and can lead instead (possibilities include VP, titus, maaaybe nero if VP is town, and if im thinking objectively, prob me)
3) there's no way the scumteam is all people who are lurking today

Agreed

It’s why I like my VP Titus April Galron solve

It’s also ironically why I am not dead because if I die people listen to my reads. Because I almost never die.

I have moments where I waver but I keep coming back to that

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1/4 = 25%

3/11 = 27%

Yes. That is factually correct.

However the entire game barring you thinks there is scum in the hood
AND
The odds of two places scum can never see of secret chat is absymally low

Even if assume kill masons N1 and N2

You’d have secret communication until Day 6 at best.

That’s just not feasible to pass review

Correct, but shouldn't the odds be to the highest odds, even if we assume the scum in the hood.

Like if you insist, I'll vote VP solely because he and you cannot be in elo together.

I am doing what is the highest odds AND where every player in the game but you agrees

Why are you torpedoing town agreement?

I went over that cognitive disonnance. I'm not torpedoing it. I'm accepting that VP will likely be the lim. I'm just wanting to discuss everything, including the possibility of me being wrong or y'all being wrong. I'm willing to discuss any situation that's reasonably possible.

Except you’re not coming at it from a discussion of where you’re wrong.

It’s been proven you are.

It’s more you asserting things

The more you do this the more I want to discard what you are saying.

What actions are you doing to resolve the cognitive dissonance?

I've literally been asking about who could have agency captured me if I am wrong, but we aren't discussing those slots or putting any possibility of eliminating them because they're coasting.
I literally can't resolve the cognitive dissonance. It's my reads versus game health. Unless the rare event my reads change or town sentiment changes, there's nothing I can do to fix that rock in a hard place.

Titus that answer is literally no one.

No one agrees with you so if you’re town literally no one can agency captured you.

It’s partially reads/game health at this point if you’re town

But literally no one has captured you. If you’re town you’re your own worst enemy.

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That's incorrect. While I townread VP, I'm not alone. There are people voting with me and/or wanting not VP. There's people sheeping me like Scorpious. Eyes is wanting not VP. There are people not voting like April.

I mean about scum not being in the hood.

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That's incorrect. While I townread VP, I'm not alone. There are people voting with me and/or wanting not VP. There's people sheeping me like Scorpious. Eyes is wanting not VP. There are people not voting like April.

I mean about scum not being in the hood.

I'm not certain there are. I townread everyone in the hood. Could I be wrong on one? Absolutely. That's why I'm not resisting but documenting my objection. People can support opinions by disagreeing by defending me as town without actually agreeing by Titus is saying that Titus is town but wrong. It encourages people to keep me, and thus my voice, alive.

You’re the only one who thinks everyone in the hood is town is my point. You’re actively pushing where scum likely aren’t.

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i want to see what april and deas have to say. eyes was in the middle of catching up. and i think the longer that scum need to dance around and figure out how best to position themselves, the more likely it is they make a mistake and people start to notice

Agreed

It’s why I voted April

Much as I think it’s bad to elim outside the hood, April and Titus are pretty much the only elims outside the hood viable

April for just trying to be elimmed (which then boon’s flip leads to VP flip)

Or Titus for pretty much policy and stopping cohesion. At some point this has to be scum motivated

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Oh RL question, are we still on for Sunday Argent Great Escape?

Not sure work is work

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3183, 5605. both were like immediate 3 votes. both involved you and the datisi/titus slot following you, interestingly. i had forgotten who the 3rd vote was in the first one, but it was yeet ig, so less sus

Ok, so very small wagons. I think your main deal is the titusiti slot, but I feel like the suspicion there is due a lot to scum!vp. There is a world where she and I are both town

It’s possible but not probable.

Why do you not vote Nero or Cape in this world and continue to look for anything else?

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Why do you not vote Nero or Cape in this world and continue to look for anything else?

I was voting Nero earlier. We are kind of in a holding pattern waiting for some people to participate more. I don't think me encouraging a wagon on my top scumread is detrimental in the least

I think it is because then scum can avoid giving content on the hood.

If you’re sure scum is in one of two players why look elsewhere?

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If you’re sure scum is in one of two players why look elsewhere?

You're the most certain on this, so it probably makes the most sense to you. Based on play alone, I think frogster is more scummy still.

I also don't think it gives people an out to not talk about the hood. Multiple things can be topics of discussion, and you certainly have the hood covered.

Yes it does

Not keeping focus where scum is inevitably leads to town elims

Malcolm wasn’t in the main focus. Malcolm got pushed. Malcolm got elimmed

We shouldn’t be elimming outside the hood so we shouldn’t be focusing outside the hood otherwise who we flip almost certainly will be town.

I have lost engagement too because every time I try to do something someone else tries to go “but I wanna look at this thing” that is more than likely town

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It shouldn’t be this hard to get opinions on four people in the game.