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You must be the best player that ever played this game. 10 reads on page 8? Are you serious?In post 199, Yeet wrote:I am also leaving. I was about to go to sleep when I saw the day start and got excited. I have stayed past my bedtime for this and hope I don’t regret it.
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fire
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everyone else
Wu, skitter, tenebro
Cavernous sea of nothing
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OK.. so I take it that I'm the worst player then, because while everyone is discerning reads I have no concrete feelings so far (in page 9) that I don't think I'd vote or defend anyone if my life depended on it.In post 208, Aristeia wrote:here is my way too early vibe list:
good vibes:
yeet, frogster, fire, skitter, datisi, std
neutrali:
gwu, cape90, deasvail,
badvibes:
tenebro, monkey- Eyes without a face
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Dwlee? Is that you??
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This sounds more like the town nero I know. Nothing solid yet but a town lean.In post 288, Nero Cain wrote:I am tentatively at
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so the other 2 scum are in
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Lucky you. I came on to 20 pages and flirted with the idea I should not mention in the open (as the rules state not to) then decided to stick around and see what happens.In post 307, VP Baltar wrote:Oh hello 13 pages. Is this game serious already?
Nero townread solidified. That's aggressive enough and careless enough for him to be much more likely town than scum.- Eyes without a face
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Town Nero is aggressive and stingy. Scum Nero is nice and gentle. Simple.In post 520, Yeet wrote:I would like to know why you think Nero Cain is town.- Eyes without a face
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Town lean on VP. I don't care about what reads he has here, but he took the time to explain them which I don't think scum would do at this point given that many players are posting read lists that are not explained at all.In post 523, VP Baltar wrote:I just finished reading through page 10, so I'm still in catch up. Here is kind of what I have for reads out of that so far:
Town:
Frogsterking- early attack on Yeet over game delay is tinfoil I'd expect from town FK
Yeet- wild noob read after wild noob read. Somewhat question if Yeet is not an alt though, in which case maybe this means nothing.
fireisredsir- has independent thought, calling out post 116 as bad is good. Also seems to not mind poking people, which I appreciate.
skitter30- Kind of like their pressure on Datisi, but think the over defense of tenesbro is unwarranted. This is probably closer to a null read than a townread in terms of confidence, but I like that she is mixing it up.
Cape90- probably town for finding frogster town and asking pretty open questions.
Ari- I like her pressure and vote on monkey when he was being kind of ridiculous.
Null:
DeasVail- commenting, but not doing a ton. Maybe lean townish.
Scum:
fua- I find the hard scum read of tenesbro a little contrived, and possibly piling on to a popular opinion in thread.
monkey- The whole intereaction with ari looks like monkey got over confident with a poke and couldn't explain the position.
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No. But one time it's the other person's fault. Two times it's probably mine.In post 527, DeasVail wrote:
So a readslist on Page 12 is a lot different from a readslist on Page 8?In post 515, Eyes without a face wrote:
This sounds more like the town nero I know. Nothing solid yet but a town lean.In post 288, Nero Cain wrote:I am tentatively at
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GeneralWu
so the other 2 scum are in
Scorpious
Save The Dragons
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I know you're not talking to me but allow me to get this off my chest: If you had done as VP did no one would have had to ask for an explanation. I -for one- need to know if someone is for real or just posting a read list for the sake of it.In post 531, Aristeia wrote:I asked you which read you wanted me to elaborate on because I don't feel like answering busy work questions.- Eyes without a face
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I do not wish to add more fuel here (I am way behind by the way) but this just doesn't make sense to me. You asked and he answered. End if story. Why be honest? The question is why to lie? What if Nero had no other reason? Did he have to invent some shit? And what if him being dishonest didn't convince anyone and made him look suspicious? I mean come on. If I was in Nero's shoes and I could find a good "fake" reason for my vote I'd have told the truth and come what may and I suspect everybody else would have done the same. Town only lie when there is something to gain from their lie.In post 635, Nordom wrote:
Yeah, but why does every question have to met with an honest answer? Obviously town wants to be clear in their intent, but when you're talking about wanting to pressure for answers why announce it so the person you're scoping gets wind of it?In post 633, Nero Cain wrote:
YOU WERE THE ONE THAT ASKED ME WHY!!!In post 630, Nordom wrote:Also, if you're voting for pressure why would you feel the need to announce it?- Eyes without a face
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I don't know if what I did is legal so I will wait for confirmation.In post 2135, VP Baltar wrote:
The past 20 pages isn't that worth reading. Also, the game will slow down. I'd say stick around if you can stomach the first day or two. Larges get much more fun after that.In post 2134, Eyes without a face wrote:I am really sorry guys, but this is more than I can chew and you deserve someone with more time on their hands.
Good luck all.
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OK, mod says I can still play. No harm done. the thing is I was skimming hard and couldn't grasp a thing. I didn't even realize Math had claimed a mason until someone asked him why he outed. Also I missed Nero's hood claim until someone asked him the same. I suspect there's plenty of such details that I have missed and I didn't think that was fair for town collectively.
Today looks better (only 10 more pages) so I guess I can try to read those and then see if there are references to previous posts to check them or just keep on reading from here and ignore everything that happened before until someone makes a mention of it.- Eyes without a face
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You three should know what I'm asking here without me having to explain it any further because of the rules. You do remember what I once said about replacements, Yes? However I had more reason to it back then than I do right now because I knew the player preferences while I don't either replaced players here. They also played for a while before replacing out so it's not exactly the same.Spoiler: @Fire, Nero & Scorpious:
My question: Does any of you have any solid background on either? Can anything be discerned from the replacements or should I think of them both as being absolutely NAI?[/spoiler]- Eyes without a face
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Judging by your post just above this one I'd guess you missed the effect of some blackhole at the other end of the universe or something. (and crap it is my friend. Crap it is indeed)In post 2187, Frogsterking wrote:Holy crap what the hell did I miss??- Eyes without a face
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I'm not voting this because I very much sympathize with the bolded.In post 2223, Yeet wrote:I'm not really sure what people have anxieties about in my 1206 other than theories about my scum!motivation? I explained my thoughts there and I stand by the fact that it was necessary to move the game along voting the largest wagon that I didn't townread. I also wanted to show others that I was willing to compromise to set a tone to push the game forward. I guess I could've voted Wu who is kind of just at pure null for me but I thought the game was moving a bit slowly and as I said HEM became a bit more nullish for me than I originally tried to defend him for. If you wanted to pin me down on why,I guess part of me loses a bit of confidence in a read when I present arguments for someone being town based off of a reasoning that I feel might be a specific process for myself, and get shut down by multiple people(which is what I felt happened, notably from fire and Aristeia). But at the end of the day it was just a feeling that I had enough doubt there that I could justify compromising.
I think it's somewhat unlucky that we've hit (probably) two townies (HEM and fua) but I would rather take that risk than just do nothing the whole day. I agree that it's probably fine to slow the game down a little bit (but not to a ridiculous degree, we should still compromise to a degree and push people).- Eyes without a face
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I don't know if serious or sarcasm but I will assume sarcasm so that I won't have negative feelings towards you for the rest of the game.In post 2236, Datisi wrote:why are there only five pages for me to catch up on?- Eyes without a face
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WTF? Why is Nero's vote on himself?In post 2273, Mizzytastic wrote:Nero Cain(1): Nero Cain- Eyes without a face
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VOTE: FrogsterkingIn post 2282, Frogsterking wrote:
Scorpius please answer theseIn post 2186, Frogsterking wrote:Hey guys! I just worked on this questionnaire with my friend to help with scumhunting! It was built around the idea that mafia forums are a low scope low testability domain.
Here's the "low-scope low-testability scumhunting questionnaire:"
#1 How does the wave function evolve?
#2 Does wave function imply many worlds?
#3 Have we used all the available technology?
#4 Do we live in a simulation?
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Check this youtube channel and pay special attention to Dr Sean Carroll's lectures maybe.In post 2301, Frogsterking wrote:2294 alright scorpius is at least willing to cooperate and the scorpius slot is cool in my book. I think the rep in for Eyes should fill out the questionnaire as well. Im going to look over Scorpius answers now.- Eyes without a face
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What? I said it was not fair to town that I should miss a whole lot of details, not that the details were not fair to out.In post 2396, Nero Cain wrote:Why was it not fair to town to out the hood?- Eyes without a face
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Wait! Ascetic + Vig + 2 Masons = 4 PRs, or are you making special notice of your read on VP to exclude him from the outed "T"PRs?In post 2397, Nero Cain wrote:also, VP is a claimed asetic and would have been a pretty good d1 lunch.- Eyes without a face
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Yes there is and it's quite simple. It's this shit that I play mafia to get away from. Mafia is a less tense activity that I do for fun to try and rest my brain from that precise type of science (and no I am not a student per say but I am interested in trying to understand these kinds of theories)In post 2401, Frogsterking wrote:
Is there any reason you're unable to answer the questionnaire, Eye? Question 3 has been revised:In post 2400, Eyes without a face wrote:
Judging by your post just above this one I'd guess you missed the effect of some blackhole at the other end of the universe or something. (and crap it is my friend. Crap it is indeed)In post 2187, Frogsterking wrote:Holy crap what the hell did I miss??
"With sufficient technology can all low scope low testability questions be made testable?"- Eyes without a face
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I didn't say I townread them for saying it. I said I sympathize with it because it happens to me and I feel the same (and I will keep it at that for now so I'd appreciate you letting it slide for a few more days maybe)In post 2406, Save The Dragons wrote:do you really think scum couldn't say that- Eyes without a face
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Well ifIn post 2415, Nero Cain wrote:Well, he's quoting a VC from 2275 and I self voted in 2048 so unless he's reading backwards shouldn't he already know?youwere reading you'd have known I almost left the game by 2136because I couldn't keep up. That means I didn't read properly back than and I came back and decided to read the new posts only unless there was a reference to the old ones.
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Not my read of him. Sorry. On my -somewhat short- read list you, VP and fua are all joint third after the 2 masonsIn post 2420, Nero Cain wrote:He's prob scum anyways.- Eyes without a face
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If that becomes a thing I would.. maybe. I just didn't like frog's distraction bringing in quantum mechanics and waves into the equation so to speakIn post 2427, Nero Cain wrote:Why aren't u voting Wu?- Eyes without a face
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Also doctor can be either alignment so if the target was scum they could have been protected by a scum doctor, or if they're really scummy town they could have still been protected by scum doctor for wifom
So RB, doctor of either alignment or bp are all valid (and I didn't even consider a commuter because it's not that common on this site)- Eyes without a face
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Wouldn't it be too wild for the SK to claim Vig though? Even with the lack of a direct CC the Vig flip at any point just outs the SK who should try to avoid being yeeted at all costs.In post 2587, Yeet wrote:I could maybe, maybe see fua being a serial killer?- Eyes without a face
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I am at the bottom of page 123 andat that pointI think I have more or less developed reads that look like this:
Town reads: Nero, VP, Enchant, fire, STD, Deas
Almost-Town: Yeet, Malcolm
Can't decide: Scorp, Datisi, skitter, April, Cape
Scum leans: tene, frog
Note that these are mostly impressions although claims do play a part of it. Also names in each category are not necessarily ordered- Eyes without a face
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I know I'm deep into the tunnel when I realize I can use this against Frog regardless of tene's alignment. lolIn post 3126, Frogsterking wrote:Unfortunately I don't think it's AI in fact I think the clashing and the recurring wagons indicate the slot is town.
Like, at first it hit me as tmi and thus tene is own and frog is scum. Then I realized it could also be scum defending their buddy. At this point I took a deep breath and a step back to see if I had a solid case on frog and.. I don't. I just didn't like their D1 quantum physics discussion and I don't think I had the will to change my feelings on them since then.
ALSO, I kind if agree tene could still be town because this play reminds me of a recent game (linked below) where a player called ofmercia kind of did the same and flipped town.
So I am officially merging my 2 bottom pools into one. I now have town reads, town leans and "the rest"
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I don't believe scum claim vig on day one just for the lolz. It's a very risky play that could be CC'd or result in them getting shot by the real vig or them getting yeeted soon enough when there is no other kill at night. It just doesn't make sense to me that fua was scum and claimed that unpromptedIn post 3371, VP Baltar wrote:Why the enchant hard town read?- Eyes without a face
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They type in English so I read them left to right. lolIn post 3454, Frogsterking wrote:Eyes how are you townreading VP and Dragons?
But really .. I already explained the VP read twice and nothing has changed. VP gave me no reason to reconsider my read there. Dragon is.. let's call it an inexplicable read for now.- Eyes without a face
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Nero repeating himself like a broken record is terrible.In post 3464, Nero Cain wrote:eyes town reading VP for explaining some reads on p 24 continues to be horrible
Ok, so it's a bad reason to TR someone 9from your Pov). Fine. I got it. Everyone else did. Now what? Do you want me to flip my read on him for no reason just because you don't like it? Would you be happy then or will you flip your broken record to side-B: "eyes changing their read on VP for no apparent reason is horrible" (big accordion solo)- Eyes without a face
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VP provided a read list early on D1 supported withIn post 3475, April Ludgate wrote:Can you explain your VP/Enchant/STD/Deas reads for me?some reasoning. I didn't care about the reads themselves but I did like that he cared enough to provide the reasoning behind them. It's evidently hard to find logical reasoning to explain one's reads when the game hadn't even developed enough and scum would be quite wary of not only providing reads (which is the easy part) but also find reasons to justify such reads.
Enchant because of the Vig claim which I don't believe any scum in their right mind would fake claim on D1. Not even if they were informed that there is no Vig would scum have the heart to claim something they know they will never be able to prove.
STD play is calm and doesn't have a gung ho element but rather is trying to solve the game at their own pace.
Deas is pure gut from their posting on D2. Their posts do not strike me as agenda'y or fabricated.
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Not really, no. I am promoting him for SCUM MVP though, in the sense that he is likely a townie that is playing it all into the hands of scumIn post 3644, Frogsterking wrote:Eyes are you proposing a Nero wagon?- Eyes without a face
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Perfect. So I'm scum irregardless of whatever VPB's alignment is?In post 3645, Nero Cain wrote:I don't care what your read of him is but there should be a progression and a lack of progression makes you look informed whether its that you know that he's town or that he's your buddy and you are expressing a town read on him so you don't have to vote him.- Eyes without a face
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No. I'm just describing STD's play as I see it in this game. I do not claim to have meta on them.In post 3655, Frogsterking wrote:Eyes, are you saying in 3650 that Dragons is less calm when they roll scum?- Eyes without a face
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OK, who has been defending him? How much resistance is there for his wagon? It looks to me that everyone and their mother have been contemplating voting VP at one point or another with only 2 exceptions: myself and Yeet.In post 3658, Nero Cain wrote:He's the leading wagon- Eyes without a face
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Then why the fuck aren't you giving me shit for town reading you even before I townread VP? And why the fuck aren't you asking me for new reasons that might have strengthened my read on you despite you being so thick it would take a ballistic missile to "maybe" get YOU to reconsider?In post 3661, Nero Cain wrote:I don't care if he agrees with me or not just that town reading you off of your 15th post makes him look informed and not really paying attention to the game.- Eyes without a face
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because you want me to, and I will never do anything that you want me to do.In post 3676, Nero Cain wrote:y aren't you voting?- Eyes without a face
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Who says? I like his posts today too. I didn't read the rest of D1 admittedly but I like what I have seen today. And I just did give you one more reason: Where the fuck is the resistance to VP's wagon?In post 3679, Nero Cain wrote:you could give me reasons to reconsider but you can't be assed to read past his 15th post.- Eyes without a face
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Man you're good with words you should be a politician. How am I letting VP get yeeted when I am not only not voting him but hve actively said I TR him over and over again? And how is my vote on Frog going to make any difference if everyone wants to vote VP anyway? Me not voting Wu (whom I was willing to vote btw) didn't stop him from getting yeeted, and the irony is I in fact was voting Frog at the time.In post 3686, Nero Cain wrote:So....you rather just let VP get eliminated rather than try to get a Frog lim but b/c big meanie Cain wants you to be pro-town and use your weapon you won't. makes sense- Eyes without a face
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Serious question: Are we looking for scum or are we looking for things we don't like in each other's playstyles? because it seems to me everybody has been looking on the game from their own perspective and how the other should be playing not whether the other is making something that looks like it's scum driven.
Also everybody (in general and not just in this game) assume they are smart and everybody else is dumb. "scum will push this and not that" may only work if -say- someone is being tricky, but I don't think having a different opinion or changing one's opinion or some other shit that every player does regardless of their alignment qualifies as a reason to scum read someone.
@Deas: regarding 3702 what would you have done in that situation? Imagine that you were not being pushed at one point and then the tide changes and you are the leading wagon. Would you still sit back and relax or would you try to at least defend yourself? I think we both know the answer to that and that -again- is regardless of the color of your PM.- Eyes without a face
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I personally share that same view with VP. I have called Nero town from the start (based on me knowing something about his meta) and yet I have been opposing him almost all the way. In fact if I didn't read VP I still would have been skeptical to join forcers with Nero because traditionally he hardly gets anything right when he's town. That means that if Nero is town you have much better odds going against his wishes, and if he's scum it's evident why you don't want to go where he goes either.In post 3727, DeasVail wrote:I think the pushing on Nero is scummy because it is more focused on pushing Nero as terrible town than it is on determining his alignment.- Eyes without a face
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I am starting to like this April person. They're not afraid to speak their mind and go against the tide. (Of I wanted to be really mean I'd have said this was one more slot Nero wanted to push. but I want to be fair and say that at the time April wasn't posting I personally could not have got any read on them, so fair is fair).- Eyes without a face
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OK.. maybe I didn't see it that way because I was agreeing with VP on the subject already, so I will accept that it looks that way from your own perspective.In post 3734, DeasVail wrote:I think disagreeing with someone is perfectly valid and healthy for the game, but I think VP’s commentary on Nero goes beyond this, whilst truly thinking about Nero’s alignment takes a backseat
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I have an answer to this but I will let April answer for themselves. Ask me about mine when and if you are interested.In post 3737, fireisredsir wrote:@april, if you think tene and VP are both town, why do you think things shifting from tene to VP is a sign of scum taking action?- Eyes without a face
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It's evident that VP is a much stronger player and scum would want him dead over tene is my answerIn post 3743, fireisredsir wrote:eyes what's your answer?- Eyes without a face
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Yeet appears to be townier now so joins the upper rank. April is posting and I like many of their opinions (I do not necessarily agree with them all, but I like them all the same in the sense that I think they come from ton who has a different perspective) so April also joins the top rank.In post 3760, MalcolmTucker wrote:
Eyes TR'd me the other day. What has particularly changed?In post 3370, Eyes without a face wrote:I am at the bottom of page 123 andat that pointI think I have more or less developed reads that look like this:
Town reads: Nero, VP, Enchant, fire, STD, Deas
Almost-Town: Yeet, Malcolm
Can't decide: Scorp, Datisi, skitter, April, Cape
Scum leans: tene, frog
Note that these are mostly impressions although claims do play a part of it. Also names in each category are not necessarily ordered
Cape is slightly better.. not a top rank read but now is at second rank. So basically I now have those whom I don't want to vote and those whom I don't mind voting, My reservation on you comes from the fact you still are at second rank but considering I had already merged the bottom two ranks into one (and I think I did say as much in public) you are now more or less in the "unsure" category and I'd like to see how it goes.- Eyes without a face
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Sure. One of them is a MASON, and one is a CLAIMED VIG. I like April out of the other 3, and the remaining 2 haven't posted anything meaningful yet.
As for the respective slots, aside from Math and Enchant all other 3 were in my PoE.
Now the icing on the cake: They all replaced IN DAY TWO (except Math if memory serves) so that's way different (i.e. the "theory" doesn't apply)
Oh, and by the way I'm an alt of a face with no eyes. lol- Eyes without a face
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Enchant is the claimed vig (well Enchant slt is, since it was fua who claimed it on D1)In post 4035, Titus wrote:
Wait what? I never claimed vig.In post 4033, Eyes without a face wrote:one is a CLAIMED VIG- Eyes without a face
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