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Can you just try a little bit harder if you're town. You kind of keep saying you're going to and then just don't really do anythingIn post 5403, Scorpious wrote:nor Am I. Hopefully the big brains can take something out of pushing a VT..
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You do have more reasons, but few of them are meaningful beyond strange paranoia and gut. You're lending legitimacy to Nero's marketing campaign, so it definitely is sheeping.In post 5426, fireisredsir wrote:
acting like im sheeping nero when we both know i have more reasons than nero does is kinda :///In post 5424, VP Baltar wrote:Fire, if I flip town, will you stop sheeping Nero and listen to Titus?
but i will reassess things ofc
And I'm gonna need more from you than reassessment. This game needs strong town leaders and Titus is going to be about it after I'm dead. You have potential, but you need to think more critically. There is no way you should be limming me over Nero today if you want to solve thus 1v1. So if that is going to be the level of play, I need you to step it up.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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I'm a much higher value asset to town. If you're going to take a chance by repeating this bad wagon AGAIN today, which is very much what you're doing, you risk less by limming Nero first. When you're wrong and I flip green, you've burned someone who actually has the ability to see through the nonsense happening, and would have essentially been confirmed town with a Nero scum flip. I'm very confident my theory about D2 is close, if not correct.In post 5432, MathBlade wrote:
Uhm definitionally doesn’t solving one solve the other in a 1v1?In post 5431, VP Baltar wrote:
You do have more reasons, but few of them are meaningful beyond strange paranoia and gut. You're lending legitimacy to Nero's marketing campaign, so it definitely is sheeping.In post 5426, fireisredsir wrote:
acting like im sheeping nero when we both know i have more reasons than nero does is kinda :///In post 5424, VP Baltar wrote:Fire, if I flip town, will you stop sheeping Nero and listen to Titus?
but i will reassess things ofc
And I'm gonna need more from you than reassessment. This game needs strong town leaders and Titus is going to be about it after I'm dead. You have potential, but you need to think more critically. There is no way you should be limming me over Nero today if you want to solve thus 1v1. So if that is going to be the level of play, I need you to step it up.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Frogster, I think you missed this question.
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This makes no sense. You are stating:In post 5383, Frogsterking wrote:VP I thought Galron had a good chance of going through EoD yesterday up until the hammer, I think I took Yeet's softs less seriously than other townies (I didn't take Yeet's softs seriously at all.)
No, I thought Galron was town not scum at the time I unvoted them D2. I think Galron has a tendency to be limbait in general, in this case I'd say VP is the main player trying to make use of it on D2.
1) yeet was lying about an innocent on galron, or so you perceived until today.
2) galron was town.
These facts are in direct conflict with each other. Why would yeet fake a clear on galron, if galron was town about to be eliminated?YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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@titus, I don't think much has changed about this reads list. Bottom pile is the null to scummy folks, and I'd guess there is max 1 scum in there. I probably wouldn't lim in that pile until later if I didn't have to. Either some of those folks will rise to the occassion and start separating themselves as more townie, night actions will help (possibly unlikely unless we have another weak investigative), or y'all kill the scum RB and Enchant really is a vig who can clear out some detritus.In post 5106, VP Baltar wrote:VP's PoE to victory:
Town to probably town:
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Scum are almost all here:
Frogsterking
Save The Dragons
Nero Cain
Eyes without a face
Get out of my dreams and into my car (aka, work a little bit to prove you are town if you're in this pool):
DeasVail
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tenebrousluminary
Scorpious
Only other caveat I'd say is if Nero doesn't flip scum somehow after I'm gone, I still think Cape is town and Math is right about galron. Statistically, I think that's unlikely and you should trust the yeet clear until flips say otherwise.
Outside dark horse is April with that weird claim start of day, but probably town who felt like shit after the malcom lim and decided overnight that mercy is the only option. Good luck this game, you're going to need it.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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I've spent, what, 100+ pages of this game now trying to work with people, only to be met with scum reads based on absolutely nothing substantial? Several of the people who I wanted to play with this game replaced out unfortunately. Math is very hard for me to deal with because of the way he tunnels. Nero is actively trying to do things to annoy me. The people on my wagon are all just answering for each other and reinforcing each others' biases. I spent literally hours over the night phase trying to figure out what was actually going on, only for people to say 'meh, you just scum.' If you think I have no right to be annoyed with that, cool. Trust me when I say I'm biting my tongue a lot if you think this is me being harsh with people.In post 5441, DeasVail wrote:Dude if you’re town you really need to check yourself imo. Reading some of your posts in recent pages, you’re just putting people down and not empowering or building up town members which is what good townplay is.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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what you mean is you are getting your way, and your way is right because you're a mason.In post 5450, MathBlade wrote:first 100% town driven wagon.
Fine. I can't find any other ways to tell you that logic is not thoughtful, and you're incorrect. I'm out of ideas truly. When I'm dead, follow my town bloc and lim some scum for a change.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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What should I be townreading you on based on your low activity? I'm literally asking you to show me you're town so I can add you to my town pile, but you've been lazy camped on me (in spirit) for a second day in a row now. Did you even read what I wrote about Frogster? Did you even consider that the Yeet flip backs up my reads on the game being correct? Are you scumhunting anyone besides me?In post 5451, DeasVail wrote:Re: the above reads list, I feel like you should have enough content from myself and tene at the very least to have some kind of read there, yet you seem to blame us for not having worked enough. I don’t know how active tene has been this game day, but in my case it feels a bit like opportunistically exploiting my lower activity this game day, as I feel I have been quite actively involved prior to this day.
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I don't think there are two scum in the hood. You should let that go when you see my flip.In post 5454, MathBlade wrote:If you’re town then that almost certainly means Nero and maaaaybe Cape.
You could still be right about galron, I just don't think the odds are on it.
Look, I'm not mad at you if you need to flip me. I'm slightly frustrated because it's an ego sting to be limmed, and because I think I've put as much or more effort into this game than about anyone. I feel like half this game is gaslighting me, but all I ask is people use my flip to make much better decisions going forward.
Work with Titus. She is likely town here.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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can you be more specific?In post 5458, MathBlade wrote:
How do you explain D1 if Titus is town?In post 5456, VP Baltar wrote:
I don't think there are two scum in the hood. You should let that go when you see my flip.In post 5454, MathBlade wrote:If you’re town then that almost certainly means Nero and maaaaybe Cape.
You could still be right about galron, I just don't think the odds are on it.
Look, I'm not mad at you if you need to flip me. I'm slightly frustrated because it's an ego sting to be limmed, and because I think I've put as much or more effort into this game than about anyone. I feel like half this game is gaslighting me, but all I ask is people use my flip to make much better decisions going forward.
Work with Titus. She is likely town here.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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well if my reads are right, that makes complete sense. So yeah.In post 5461, MathBlade wrote:
Almost every wagon (if not every wagon I don’t have my notes) that ever got above 3 people would be on town if Titus is town. That’s not an opinion eitherIn post 5460, VP Baltar wrote:
can you be more specific?In post 5458, MathBlade wrote:
How do you explain D1 if Titus is town?In post 5456, VP Baltar wrote:
I don't think there are two scum in the hood. You should let that go when you see my flip.In post 5454, MathBlade wrote:If you’re town then that almost certainly means Nero and maaaaybe Cape.
You could still be right about galron, I just don't think the odds are on it.
Look, I'm not mad at you if you need to flip me. I'm slightly frustrated because it's an ego sting to be limmed, and because I think I've put as much or more effort into this game than about anyone. I feel like half this game is gaslighting me, but all I ask is people use my flip to make much better decisions going forward.
Work with Titus. She is likely town here.
Wu, Datisi, HEM, and myself were the only ones with serious wagons D1. Titus is Datisi.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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no, Nero is not doing nothing.In post 5469, tenebrousluminary wrote:If VP is town, scum are either doing nothing and laughing as we chase our tails, or playing embarrassingly large circles around us.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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The bulk of what you have said the last two game days is about me, and your read of me is entirely wrong. The fact I don't have you in my scum pile should say a lot to you, but you're too tunneled to even think about that.In post 5465, tenebrousluminary wrote:I did not bring it up as I have antagonized VP enough this game, but whether one finds it good or not, i have done plenty and it should be more than possible to commit to a read on me. Or at least, to not say any uncertainty is because i have not done enough.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Dude, why do you think you're more correct than me when I've been wagoned for 100 pages?In post 5483, fireisredsir wrote:
answer this pls VP, i genuinely really really want to know what you think on this if you're town. i might need your flip in order to trust it but there's no downside to you. guaranteed i will carefully consider anything you say here so the more you analyze the betterIn post 5459, fireisredsir wrote:ok VP if you're town help me out here
you say that if you flip town then i should work with titus and follow your theory. but i don't trust titus and don't think your theory is accurate. so. if im right on that, then you've left me with nothing useful. if you're town, help me out by considering what your reads would be if instead your theory is wrong and if titus is maf
if you're maf you can feel free to ignore it lol
Titus should be very low on your scum reads when I flip town. Like, what is her motivation here? You think she is trying to score town points on my flip? You got to stop tinfoiling.
THAT BEING SAID, if you want me to entertain it, you need to figure out who is pushing me and potentially could be with Titus. Presumably they would be distancing today I guess since my flip is going to lead to blowback for the scum pushing me. Nero is a possibility here, I suppose. Tene and April are maybe possibilities in that world too. Just don't run with this as your lead theory tomorrow because it is not a good one.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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I mean, I don't disagree, but I've also had weeks now to think about who is doing what around me. I'm not sure why you think I'm so bad at this game lol.In post 5487, fireisredsir wrote:people's read quality usually goes down when they're wagonedYOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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The biggest thing is don't let the people who want me dead just walk away like nothing happened. The biggest benefit here, why I said I would have been an ok kill yesterday, was that scum have had to commit massive resources to getting me killed. I'm loud and I don't die easy, so my wagons are not pure.
You and math are getting taken for a ride, and that's what is frustrating here. But I just need to let it go because that's not in my control.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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@ fireIn post 5491, VP Baltar wrote:The biggest thing is don't let the people who want me dead just walk away like nothing happened. The biggest benefit here, why I said I would have been an ok kill yesterday, was that scum have had to commit massive resources to getting me killed. I'm loud and I don't die easy, so my wagons are not pure.
You and math are getting taken for a ride, and that's what is frustrating here. But I just need to let it go because that's not in my control.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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So you think I'm bad if I'm town here? I hope upon my flip you reconsider that I am probably just closer to right, and to not wagon people over personalityIn post 5495, fireisredsir wrote:
i don't. that's why i think it's more likely that you're just mafIn post 5488, VP Baltar wrote:I'm not sure why you think I'm so bad at this game lol.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Never said it wasIn post 5502, MathBlade wrote:
This isn’t a marathonIn post 5500, VP Baltar wrote:Notice how Nero dips out of thread when people are doing his dirty work for him?YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Why are you defending Nero all game? It does not make any sense. Your read does not make sense on his play. He has not done anything remotely town this game.In post 5505, fireisredsir wrote:
not that you're a bad player but that you haven't played to the standard i expected. i don't think you're right. close to right, maybe? could possibly be nero, but i think cape is more likely, and it could be frog.In post 5497, VP Baltar wrote:So you think I'm bad if I'm town here? I hope upon my flip you reconsider that I am probably just closer to right, and to not wagon people over personality
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In post 5435, VP Baltar wrote:Frogster, I think you missed this question.
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This makes no sense. You are stating:In post 5383, Frogsterking wrote:VP I thought Galron had a good chance of going through EoD yesterday up until the hammer, I think I took Yeet's softs less seriously than other townies (I didn't take Yeet's softs seriously at all.)
No, I thought Galron was town not scum at the time I unvoted them D2. I think Galron has a tendency to be limbait in general, in this case I'd say VP is the main player trying to make use of it on D2.
1) yeet was lying about an innocent on galron, or so you perceived until today.
2) galron was town.
These facts are in direct conflict with each other. Why would yeet fake a clear on galron, if galron was town about to be eliminated?YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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See math. He was aroundIn post 5516, Nero Cain wrote:this game really makes me think of that time I hard pushed one of Titus' buddies and she hard defended them + attacked meYOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Titus is correct on the play though. There is no planet where Titus and I are buddies. You could claim she is scum trying to score points on my flip, but that would require admission I'm not scum.In post 5522, MathBlade wrote:
Yes you’ve been hard defending VP all dayIn post 5521, Titus wrote:
???? I'm leaning town on you. How can you say that I'm attacking you here. That's not consistent with what's happening.In post 5516, Nero Cain wrote:this game really makes me think of that time I hard pushed one of Titus' buddies and she hard defended them + attacked me
Also, who am I hard defending? VP? You think that I go to this length to defend a dead man walking when the best response is to shut up dead buddies?YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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This is terrible reasoning. JfcIn post 5524, fireisredsir wrote:he reads like town who was thinking independently, found a read, and is confident in his read and that reads like town nero to me. scum nero i think would be have a different approach, with more appealing to others, going with the flow, ok to lim a scummy looking town like wu rather than getting paranoid about it and pushing back on the people sheeping him. i also think he's right that you're maf so i have no reason to suspect him. if you flipped town i would be more sus of him, but the other reasons im leaning more town still applyYOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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I'm dead anyway. Town continues to shit the bed this game. I'm beyond caring because caring just makes me annoyed. I'm just speaking the direct truth to people so they stop with the terrible play tomorrow. Try not to shoot any conftown players tonight!In post 5527, Enchant wrote:
You only harms self with these statements.In post 5523, VP Baltar wrote:
Titus is correct on the play though. There is no planet where Titus and I are buddies. You could claim she is scum trying to score points on my flip, but that would require admission I'm not scum.In post 5522, MathBlade wrote:
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???? I'm leaning town on you. How can you say that I'm attacking you here. That's not consistent with what's happening.In post 5516, Nero Cain wrote:this game really makes me think of that time I hard pushed one of Titus' buddies and she hard defended them + attacked me
Also, who am I hard defending? VP? You think that I go to this length to defend a dead man walking when the best response is to shut up dead buddies?YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Enjoy your lim tomorrow.In post 5536, Nero Cain wrote:VP's "leadership" has netted us nothing but dead town.
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It was a joke/not joke. The amount of people with poor rationale this game is truly disheartening.In post 5541, tenebrousluminary wrote:
What a random person to suggest could carry us. ???In post 5538, VP Baltar wrote:Math lives to endgame, Titus dies tonight or tomorrow. That's my prediction.
I'm putting all my faith in scorpious to win this game for town lol
At least scorpious Yolo vibe means he will probably never eat a NK, and his random votes are at least more accurate than the rest of the folks here.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Well you saying I'm scum with frog seems incorrect. See, I'm helpingIn post 5550, tenebrousluminary wrote:
Someone who's good at the economy help me budget thisIn post 5546, tenebrousluminary wrote:Frogsterking - scum?
Scorpious - town
Save The Dragons - town?
Nero Cain - town?
DeasVail - ?
Titus - ?
Enchant - eisbfoejwbdkfjdneldj
Galron - town
fireisredsir - town
Eyes without a face - ?
VP Baltar - scum?
April Ludgate - scum?
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What?In post 5552, Frogsterking wrote:I didn't consider fakeclaiming to be AI from them.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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What????In post 5552, Frogsterking wrote:I perceived softs to be coming in from both yeet and luminaryYOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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I agree with this. I'd rather this is over sooner than later. This game stopped being fun for me quite awhile ago, and it is just repeating the same terrible arguments and biases at this point.In post 5564, Titus wrote:I feel it's wrong to want the day over with but I kinda do. I don't see a way VP is saved, he doesn't want to be here, he's given final reads and I don't see what else we learn. Fighting for fighting's sake only hurts us.
That being said, I'd rather you don't vote me Titus because that is just one more slot scum don't have to commit to. Frogster for example. I'd rather they have to put their necks out there.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Dawg, just stop.In post 5570, fireisredsir wrote:nero what are the chances we can pull off a switch to titus
and if so can we ever trust VP again
also 100% chance VP says no to this idea as either alignmentYOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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I wish I could even pretend to understand what this is saying. Shoot Nero tonight when I flip green. Save everyone the headacheIn post 5588, Enchant wrote:WHAT DEATH OF VP-TOWN GIVES EXPECT SATISFACTION TO ALLOW THAT.
It literally gives nothing, no one will care about your reads, even if they promise.
Literally, it's mafia, it's aleays will be full of shitfights, if you couldn't punch your opponents in submission every game day, why even bother saving townreads.
With aim like these everyone can just "Nvm shit game" and selfvote.
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No. Look, I'm not doing this bullshit everyday for seven game days. Yall chose to get rolled by Nero. Finish the job, learn from your mistakes and play betterIn post 5590, fireisredsir wrote:titus prob just TMIing, and yet still pushing for vp to get limmed
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In what world are both Nero and I town? Highly unlikelyIn post 5597, fireisredsir wrote:titus is pushing for a vp flip over a Nero one despite the wagons being close at 5-4, probably bc both are town and she knows a vp flip will make her look better than a Nero oneYOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Put down the crack pipe.In post 5606, fireisredsir wrote:
the one where titus is maf and nero agrees with me that she is, and she positions herself to look good on your flip but only if you're townIn post 5600, VP Baltar wrote:
In what world are both Nero and I town? Highly unlikelyIn post 5597, fireisredsir wrote:titus is pushing for a vp flip over a Nero one despite the wagons being close at 5-4, probably bc both are town and she knows a vp flip will make her look better than a Nero oneYOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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You gotta be kidding meIn post 5619, Nero Cain wrote:Titus, you keep calling VP town but I don't think you've ever explained why.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Your answers make no sense. My point is already proved.In post 5620, Frogsterking wrote:VP asked me to answer his questions repeatedly then ducked out when I actually did.
You hopped on the galron wagon to push it to e-1 yesterday, stating you did so because my wagon was not viable.
At the same time, you say you were townreading galron, and that your scum read of yeet (town) was faking a clear on galron to save him because he is yolo.
At that point, just 20 mins after you say my wagon is not viable, you come up with an incredibly forced reason to call galron town and return to voting me.
Pardon me if I find this incredibly unbelievableYOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Yeah, you definitely aren't the wrong one here.In post 5627, fireisredsir wrote:k well vp is either maf or so deep in the pocket that he might as well be. gee i wonder why titus wants to keep him alive
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I'd prefer if you just vote me back. I don't want to keep playing this game.In post 5635, MathBlade wrote:VOTE: unvote
I have to work Saturday and I don’t want a quick elim and I want to have fun with something other than mafia for a few hours before it all goes to crap because my dysphoria is like level 11. My opinions haven’t changed just don’t want a quick hammerYOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Why aren't you voting me? Now is your chance.In post 5640, Frogsterking wrote:THE ENTIRE PHASE 3 OF YOUR NARRATIVE IS INCREDIBLY UNBELIEVABLE. YOU ASK QUESTIONS TO FIT A NONSENSICAL NARRATIVE AND THEREFORE YOU GET ANSWERS THAT MAKE NO SENSE. I ANSWER YOUR STUPID QUESTIONS HONESTLY AND YOU SAY MY ANSWERS ARE STUPID BECAUSE I'M TOWN.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Yes, cape is town. This is established.In post 5645, Frogsterking wrote:vP AAPEALING TO CAPE = CAPE TOWNYOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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How do I know Nero is scum? He is not this much of a basic b if he's town.In post 5651, Nero Cain wrote:scum logic? its an objective fact.
I mean yes, I've repeated it a few times but I think there's a decent chunk of scum motivation if you are continuously on town wagons.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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Remember when Nero said this right after he voted galron.In post 4597, Nero Cain wrote:there's still enough votes to vote Malcolm out.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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I'm going to be the lim today. I just think frog is full of shit. Eyes could be scum avoiding my wagon. Ur still my booIn post 5666, Cape90 wrote:Going with a person that you said that you would consider after you read my case on Eyes eh?
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I'll let folks figure it outIn post 5669, Nero Cain wrote:
yes and?In post 5664, VP Baltar wrote:
Remember when Nero said this right after he voted galron.In post 4597, Nero Cain wrote:there's still enough votes to vote Malcolm out.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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You mean why is he in the null pool?In post 5668, Galron wrote:
You seem to be getting more and more negative. I can't tell if you're town runnng out of fight or what.In post 5661, VP Baltar wrote:
You think I'm trying to stop it?In post 5658, Nero Cain wrote:ok then flip town
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Didn't you just give me shit because you think there is no way I should have you in my null pile?In post 5706, DeasVail wrote:Well tbh I think Frogsterking is right that I'm probably not actually playing outside of my scumrange.YOUR AD HERE- VP Baltar
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I don't self vote. Maybe you should try to get me modkilled again.In post 5676, Nero Cain wrote:but wouldn't he self if he was srs about not wanting to play?YOUR AD HERE - VP Baltar
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