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Then just vote VP math and I'll vote VP and we can end the day. SCorpious and VP will follow.

I don’t want to just end the day before even prod timers is over.

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April is a carryover of Skitter read and boon pushed Malcolm over my objections AND

admitted Malcolm was about not elimming in my scumreads

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post your proof on this one, this is a misrep.


I don't regret Malcolm wagon either.

Your last post of prior day.

You said you did anything but elim in VP and Galron.

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@ Titus or math or whomever

Frogsterking
Save The Dragons
Nero Cain
DeasVail
fireisredsir
tenebrousluminary
matblade

are the ones that are willing to vote out VP but I think Math wants Boon more than VP, so does STD. Fire will vote VP I think but wants titus? more

Scorpious-??? thinks I'm scum I guess
Titus-would vote me over VP even though I'm a town lean
Enchant-thinks I'm a better vote than VP for ??? reason
Galron-????
April Ludgate-said I was maybe scum yesterday for fence sitting
Cape90-thinks im scum b/c I think VP is the scum in the hood
Eyes without a face-thinks we are TvT, still town reading VP for posting a readslist with reasoning on p 24?

i don't really know why Scorp, Titus, Enchant, Cape or April are town reading VP

I actually have a pool. April is posting so I want to see what April produces.

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VOTE: Unvote

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Mod, can we get a prod on April?

I never reached prod range, people just assuming

Sorry

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(I am intentionally being quiet except to answer you boon)

VP was being wagoned.

Galron had a sus lurker post

I questioned him on it

He admitted to faking his reads

VP’s defense was horrible

Yeet defends Galron (likely because of the result)

Galron was and is doing his scum meta.

So it’s very much a reads and Galron being silent after admitting to faking reads thing

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Quick skim of the last 6-7 pages. I don't see Baltar or April as scum. Looks like town Math. Scorpious I can see as lazy town or lazy scum either one. Eyes w/out a face maybe town, I don't know, the JAQing doesn't do much for me.

@April start here. This will help you.

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Also, Titus was one that was pushing VPB-Nero as possible TvT, which I can see as a possibility, because Cape can be scum.

not exactly. Eyes is the one calling us TvT while Titus is "town leaning" on me but has voted me/stayed voting me b/c my wagon had "momentum" and said she'd vote me over VP

town is evenly split with half calling VP scum and the other half calling me a better flip or silly junk like that.

Oh, I had that wrong. hmm.

Idk, I'll have to find a better way to explain why I town read Titus then.

I just also feel like Math was generally pushing townies, and if Titus is scum, there's no need for her to stop Math, just let them go unless Titus is scum defending scum.

But Math was pushing Galron most of the time.

I need to better understand what happened with Yeet-Galron. Anyone wanna post those for me?

Like for the love of all that’s good please stop this negativity

I was mostly pushing VP then Galron was sus and VP pushed Galron

I will gladly take either one. I think they’re both scum

And until Galron breaks his scum meta I don’t see that changing

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I need to better understand what happened with Yeet-Galron. Anyone wanna post those for me?

This is also in my big post, around Phase 2.

Yeet was a psychologist who investigated Galron N1. He softed in thread, and then Math didn't get it repeatedly, so Nero outted it publicly. Then scum continued to push on Galron because he was close to a yeet, is my opinion.

Yeet dies over night, confirming what was happening yesterday.

Even if I saw it I didn’t care and didn’t believe it.

It isn’t and wasn’t 100% clear and Galron is very much lurker scumming which he has no lurker town games

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The Frog case is much stronger than the Nero one.

I'll look it over later/tomorrow, I guess. I got some work to do now, but this was a good session.

I agree. That is why I wanted to lim Frogster first.

There is no case and no words that should cause us to elim outside the hood

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Even if I saw it I didn’t care and didn’t believe it.

It isn’t and wasn’t 100% clear and Galron is very much lurker scumming which he has no lurker town games

For someone who is named mathblade, you do not always trust the math.

I am
Yeet flipped psychologist
It means a vig likely exists and a fake inno likely exists
Galron is likely the fake inno in a traitor that exists in the hood.
Vig is the fake guilty

So we don’t elim scum likely today

No one will elim Galron

VP is the only one we have a shot in hell in

Titus and boon are too popular :/

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Boon is having their cake and eating it too

Arguing VP scum and I did nothing but push townies is just wrong

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Can we compromise on Cape? I really don’t wanna elim outside the hood.

I’d rather VP or Nero but Cape is possible

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You do realize Math that if VP is scum he might know that Gal is town.

Possible but VP knows (or would have known via rep and scumbuddies) I tunnel

VP scum town Galron doesn’t make sense to me.

They only make sense as the same alignment.

VP and Galron are both scum to me

Galron is scum meta and admitted to faking reads. If not for the Yeet false clear Galron would be dead
VP’s defense of that and prior play is atrocious

I just don’t see town faking reads. I just don’t.

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Like the smart play is to elim Cape to prove VP and April a second fucking time

I just kinda want VP scum at this point and am running out of steam continuing to push

The way I see today going is Cape Town

Then I have to push VP on day four

And that’s just gonna be toxic

Or we flip VP and they are town

Then we have to do Nero tomorrow

Like I feel if I pick anything it’s going to be wrong and Math sucks all over again

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Eh, i find a townie faking reads more likely than a scum admitting to faking reads.

Plus, if Galron is scum, then they have to be the traitor, and I'm not convinced a traitor's necessarily in this game.

Or they killed N1

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VOTE: Cape

Fuck it

We need to prove April and VP scum

And if I am wrong and VP is town everyone wins

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VOTE: Cape

Fuck it

We need to prove April and VP scum

And if I am wrong and VP is town everyone wins

This just is hard to process on so many levels.

It’s simple

I am tired of fighting

Tired of the negativity

And just done

So April and VP agree on Cape and it’s in the hood

So it’s pretty much we hit scum in the hood today or prove VP scum.

And April if Cape is town diverted from VP twice

So then it checks them both

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VOTE: Cape

Fuck it

We need to prove April and VP scum

And if I am wrong and VP is town everyone wins

This just is hard to process on so many levels.

It’s simple

I am tired of fighting

Tired of the negativity

And just done

So April and VP agree on Cape and it’s in the hood

So it’s pretty much we hit scum in the hood today or prove VP scum.

And April if Cape is town diverted from VP twice

So then it checks them both

Flipping someone rarely proves someone else. You're directing the charge today. Flip who you want. If VP is actually scum, flipping him would be harder. We could leash the vig in this situation. That might be helpful.

Nah I never have had the charge or I wouldn’t have to yell or you’d have been sheeping me rather than anyone else.

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Cape or VP whoever feels stronger to you is my wish
If they flip town shoot April

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If they flip scum shoot in April’s PoE

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My point is I am BoPing Boon.

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My point is I am BoPing Boon.

That's fine. April doesn't want VP. If VP flips scum, shoot me or April.
BoPing April doesn't make sense if April is right.

April scumreads VP and Cape
April wants Cape more and suggested a team

I am testing Boon

Shouldn’t have to as this is painfully obvious to me but what the hell one more time

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Okay, before I call it, gonna do a reads list

Titus
Fire

Nero
Scorpious
Enchant
STD

Eyes without a face
DeasVail
Galron

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tenebrousluminary

Cape

Frogsterking
VP Baltar

Now, I think Cape has a similar amount of equity as scum as VPB/Frog, however, if VPB is scum, I don't think Cape is. If VPB is town, I think Cape is scum.

Tenebrous is almost coming down to POE scum.

I don't really see the point of Frogster saying that line he did as scum with VPB town.

There's likely a scum, 2 if we're living in the Cape scum world, and I think the lower on my 3 townie tiers they are, the more likely they are to be scum. I don't think it's Titus or Fire.

Currently my guess would be the DV slot.

This is Boon’s reads

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Agreed and already said that

My point is I am BoPing boon as I did yesterday.

I am tired of being called “bad” or “pushing townies” with no evidence by the “good” players.

So I am BoPing boon

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Right now, BoP doesn't make sense. We have to do teams.

If VP is scum, shoot April. Keep going with your theory as you'd be the hot hand.
If VP is town, shoot someone who is actually pushing for a VP elimination.

That's what should happen.

You told me I am in control

My answer is I am BoPing boon.

Now you say I am not in control when it’s not what you want

Incredible

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Agreed and already said that

My point is I am BoPing boon as I did yesterday.

I am tired of being called “bad” or “pushing townies” with no evidence by the “good” players.

So I am BoPing boon

We can't afford emotional decisions. We're giving you the lim you want in VP. Now is not the time to just shoot people because you're pissed off about how you've been treated in the past. This type of decision undercuts your credibility.

We target scum.

So if VP is scum, we of course shoot me/April. BoP makes sense there.
If VP is town, we should be shooting in my pool please. :/ Listen to me when I'm right.

I don’t have any credibility to undercut

I never win a charisma war against Boon

If Boon is scum forcing them to bus to stay alive is the best play.

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On a lighter note, did work call you in tomorrow?

Can we not talk OOg things in thread please?

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Again, maybe you don't have to win a charisma fight against boon. You're conftown he isn't. Just because he's more charismatic says nothing about his alignment. April can be charismatic and right.

If April is wrong, sure take him out.
If April is right, then we should be taking out the people who are creating this setup where we lim town. The odds of all the "charismatic" players trying to persuade you to do that right thing, being right, and being scum are not high.

That’s my fucking point

Elim Cape or VP

Whoever April votes

If wrong shoot April (or elim tomorrow)

I gotta go I have like no spoons and am tired of April coming in every time and derailing what I build

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literally just openwolfing bc too many people tr her holy

What do you make of her wanting me to not bop boon?

Why does scum!Titus do that?

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literally just openwolfing bc too many people tr her holy

What do you make of her wanting me to not bop boon?

Why does scum!Titus do that?

That's not quite right. I don't want you to BoP April

until there's evidence to do so

. If you scumread April, you test your theory of VP/April/me. You don't go to Cape.

There’s evidence to do so.
April started the Malcolm wagon

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in what world does someone who says she will vote anyone to save VP
who says she has him as her strongest TR
who literally has zero attempts to solve cape's slot in her iso, just a couple mentions of a townlean

in what world does that person vote VP over cape here

The main issue is Titus scum + Cape is making more sense than Titus + VP

Ugh I hate the fact I feel like I am sheeping you and I don’t know why I hate it

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in what world does someone who says she will vote anyone to save VP
who says she has him as her strongest TR
who literally has zero attempts to solve cape's slot in her iso, just a couple mentions of a townlean

in what world does that person vote VP over cape here

The main issue is Titus scum + Cape is making more sense than Titus + VP

Ugh I hate the fact I feel like I am sheeping you and I don’t know why I hate it

So you've changed your mind? Is that solely because I resigned and voted VP with you or because you're just actively opposing whatever I say I'll do.

No. It’s more I think you’re scum and I can’t figure you out and recent posting makes other theories viable

You + VP and you bussing is also possible

I’d rather elim you but elimming in the hood is better in case you’re Steven Universing it

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Because my concern is that we vote Cape, April gets vigged, then we vote VP and we just lose.

Then we lose as a town.

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You can literally sub any elim in that vacuous statement

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*shrug*

I'll just trust Enchant will shoot in my scumpool.

Tell me which person to vote.

Whoever April votes

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You can literally sub any elim in that vacuous statement

Huh?

We elim x, vig y, elim Z the game is lost.

X y and z if all town same statement

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like anyone who is town, I beg you, read through this progression and tell me that comes from town. this is scum titus who is BEGGING for a vp flip despite her saying that she will vote anyone else to save him and that she strongly townreads him. she even asked eyes, one of her strongest scumreads at the time, to vote with her on VP to end the day. how do y'all not see this

Spoiler: titus

Titus you voted VP yesterday, what's making you not want to vote him today?

My VP vote was not based on his play but based on in thread events and prior wagons. Now that I'm invested, I'm voting on play.

Fire tene and myself surely all can’t be “agency captured”.

Why do you feel this way?

Where is the cognitive dissonance?

Is it simply you TR VP?

I answered the cog dis above.

I feel strongly that VP is town. While I doubt you're all agency captured, you are led astray. When you post things that don't jive with my read of the thread, we need to figure out who is wrong if they are agency captured or scum.

Why Cape? Does it not bother anyone that I am the only person tring vp?

It’s starting from facts namely if you’re town every wagon D1 was on town
If VP is town and Galron is town then every wagon for the entire game has been on town

Then who is scum in that set of facts? It’s assuming what you want me to and asking broad questions.

Town cannibalizing its loud vocal players strongly indicates pride. Namely, slots are getting scumread because they oppose other vocal townread slots.

How many people contributed to today beyond saying VP is a good/ok elimination? There's far too many players that sat back and let this elimination go through. Scum have no interest in saving VP.

Frogsterking - A few questions to me. Otherwise, no real contribution.
Scorpious - Random vote on Cake and wanting to die.
Save The Dragons - Sheep and leave.
DeasVail - FoS and then VLA
Eyes without a face - Prodded said nothing
April Ludgate - Included to be fair. No real push.
Cape90 - Barely here, but he arguably could be excluded.

A good bulk of your scum are in here.

this game really makes me think of that time I hard pushed one of Titus' buddies and she hard defended them + attacked me

???? I'm leaning town on you. How can you say that I'm attacking you here. That's not consistent with what's happening.

Also, who am I hard defending? VP? You think that I go to this length to defend a dead man walking when the best response is to shut up dead buddies?

Yes you’ve been hard defending VP all day

Yes. If I was scum with VP, I'd have him shut up. Reads only give town more to work with. Particularly the rule of 3. If VP is scum here, I'll eat my hat.*


*Not a bet, just a confidence expression.

I feel it's wrong to want the day over with but I kinda do. I don't see a way VP is saved, he doesn't want to be here, he's given final reads and I don't see what else we learn. Fighting for fighting's sake only hurts us.

I would like to resolve VP today, if we really can't get him Titus is fine but VP should have been flipped yesterday. All his stuff about being a good hunter and a net positive for town is just bluster. Don't let him fool you.

While I disagree with a VP elimination, I know he can't live until elo without a clear. A clear is unlikely to happen with yeet's flip. I'd rather admit I lost the argument and try again tomorrow than drag the town through a screaming match that is likely to fail and demotivate us further without a scumread of my own. In the rare event I am wrong, then I fully expect to be vigged tonight or eliminated tomorrow and I've made my peace with that. I think game health needs VP dead no matter how much I disagree.

Eyes, thoughts about VP and ending this day?

titus prob just TMIing, and yet still pushing for vp to get limmed

can we just get this instead

I'm not pushing for VP to get eliminated. I just can't herd cattle to get any of my suspects wagoned. I'd literally vote any of them to save my town core. That's Mama Bear.

titus is pushing for a vp flip over a Nero one despite the wagons being close at 5-4, probably bc both are town and she knows a vp flip will make her look better than a Nero one

Literally everyone else is avoiding a comment on Nero. There are plenty of fake votes on VP from slots such as Deas. If I could get Nero, I'd take it in a heartbeat. It's just not happening.

Are scumreading eyes are not popular anymore and everyone sheep instead...

I'm just saving VP. I'd kill anyone but you Galron or Math to do it.

titus behavior here just makes no sense from town pov. she's not solving. it's all positioning and political

april pls come back

No. I have solved a chunk of the game. VP April Galron Math and Enchant are my core even if they don't or can't work together. I think that's enough to trap scum, even a deep wolf.

If you're willing to see that VP is town, then VP might not be the automatic elimination. We're starting to talk about the game as a whole. It's a long shot but we have scum in my pool.

That's incorrect. While I townread VP, I'm not alone. There are people voting with me and/or wanting not VP. There's people sheeping me like Scorpious. Eyes is wanting not VP. There are people not voting like April.

I mean about scum not being in the hood.

I'm not certain there are. I townread everyone in the hood. Could I be wrong on one? Absolutely. That's why I'm not resisting but documenting my objection. People can support opinions by disagreeing by defending me as town without actually agreeing by Titus is saying that Titus is town but wrong. It encourages people to keep me, and thus my voice, alive.

You’re the only one who thinks everyone in the hood is town is my point. You’re actively pushing where scum likely aren’t.

I laid out that scum are just as likely in the hood rather than out.

Fire, how do we get the lurkers to take a stance with the lim locked on VP/Nero?

Then just vote VP math and I'll vote VP and we can end the day. SCorpious and VP will follow.

VOTE: Cape

Fuck it

We need to prove April and VP scum

And if I am wrong and VP is town everyone wins

This just is hard to process on so many levels.

It’s simple

I am tired of fighting

Tired of the negativity

And just done

So April and VP agree on Cape and it’s in the hood

So it’s pretty much we hit scum in the hood today or prove VP scum.

And April if Cape is town diverted from VP twice

So then it checks them both

Flipping someone rarely proves someone else. You're directing the charge today. Flip who you want. If VP is actually scum, flipping him would be harder. We could leash the vig in this situation. That might be helpful.

So we follow your theory. You don't get distracted.

VOTE: VP

Titus is unfortunately illogical as every alignment to me

*hides in blushies*

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Fire, I'm just done with this game. I don't want anyone else to sub in. It's chaotic and stupid. Most of the scum are shielded from even being considered for an elimination while Math plays to eliminate the "charismatic" people he can't persuade. Namely, my townblock. Scum will never kill him, making a scum elimination damn near impossible. The longer this goes on, the harder it will be. Right now, I'm putting my hands in Enchant and I'm not even sure if he's a vig but he probably is.

I want to elim in the hood

I also want to verify Boon.

Cape or VP does either

Boon picks problem solved.

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Are we serious with how much we’re posting?

Titus posts bullshit

Can’t have scum take over elim second day in a row

What else am I supposed to do?

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Are we serious with how much we’re posting?

Sorry guys, this is just waaaay too much for me to just not being a warm body..

Any reads?

Yes there’s a lot of posting but surely you can devise one not fake read?

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It's pretty incredible how impossible it is to elim VP this game, though.

I'm actually astonish math is tanking his own wagon. The town in this game is so fucked between math and Nero.

I’m not?

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Are we serious with how much we’re posting?

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I've been inactively lurking. I've been playing with Gerry since his return to the site 2 - 2 1/2 years ago. His RVS vote is nearly always the nth player after his first post (he uses a die). This game he made a vote and then another blind vote without giving any indication why he made that second vote. His initial post usually consists of a number like 8, which means he's going to vote the 8th person after he posts. He didn't do that this game. He voted someone and then blindly voted another. I haven't caught up with his recent stuff so I don't know. The please put some words to that blind vote was an attempt to understand why he voted the way he did.

Who’s Gerry?

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omg fucing g 've posted in the wrong thread.

Okay then that post doesn’t exist will ignore

Any reads for this game?

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Yeah. Why is no one considering a Serial Killer when that's as much of an issue as a potential traitor?

Lack of deaths

The SK if one exists has to either intentionally no kill two nights in a row or have their kill blocked twice in a row.

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It just occurred to me tonight after everyone talking about a traitor. A traitor is on equal level to a serial killer, isn't it?

What do you mean by equal level?

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Yeah. Why is no one considering a Serial Killer when that's as much of an issue as a potential traitor?

Lack of deaths

The SK if one exists has to either intentionally no kill two nights in a row or have their kill blocked twice in a row.

Ikay, that's fine. What's the math on that? I mean, a SK could just as easily targetted the same two as the maf?

16 alive. M mafia alive. 16 - M viable targets for scum to shoot.
15 viable targets for an SK.

So very slim odds. It’s possible but not worth the exact percentage

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Yeah. Why is no one considering a Serial Killer when that's as much of an issue as a potential traitor?

Lack of deaths

The SK if one exists has to either intentionally no kill two nights in a row or have their kill blocked twice in a row.

Ikay, that's fine. What's the math on that? I mean, a SK could just as easily targetted the same two as the maf?

16 alive. M mafia alive. 16 - M viable targets for scum to shoot.
15 viable targets for an SK.

So very slim odds. It’s possible but not worth the exact percentage

There's 15 alive.....

There were 16 alive when scum were shooting

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Can we compromise on Cape? I really don’t wanna elim outside the hood.

I’d rather VP or Nero but Cape is possible

sigh. Math you are going to ruin the game for us, have fun.

Also, I don't like the Nero vote I am on right now tbh

UNVOTE: Nero Cain

Is it bad I want to not lim in the hood right now?

Yes

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What is the misery?

I think just lim me. It will at least be informative. Sideline Nero. Lim frogster tomorrow. Proceed from there.

Why were you against your elim midday but for it now?

What changed?

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What is the misery?

I think just lim me. It will at least be informative. Sideline Nero. Lim frogster tomorrow. Proceed from there.

Why were you against your elim midday but for it now?

What changed?

I think yall need to move past this fight. I don't think another miselim is good today, but my flip will at least show my reads are legit, and maybe you can trust Titus a bit after that. You can figure this out after that

Or we can elim Cape Cape flips Red and you see Titus scum?

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dude if the hood has 0 scum im retired

And the reason you don’t want to elim in the hood is?

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Math, I don't get why you won't just kill me. You been telling me you want it for awhile now. I'm offering to stop fighting it, and you don't want it?

I am sorting between April’s Cape/Frog/Tene/ Titus (last one is where I think Boon will come around)

And boon/vp/Titus/Galron or Galron replaced with ???

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im ok with settling for vp and will switch back if needed but i think it's cape/titus

I kinda think that’s bad. I don’t like how ther was resistance earlier but now I vote Cape VP is now fine

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im ok with settling for vp and will switch back if needed but i think it's cape/titus

I kinda think that’s bad. I don’t like how ther was resistance earlier but now I vote Cape VP is now fine

there's not enough people willing to see cape/titus for it to go through, i think

I think what’s happening is more a power struggle

Whichever mini clique isn’t getting their way starts being negative

So whichever person I push it will never seem like enough people

Because the people who hate it will rapid post how that elim sucks and so whatever

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Which is like ?? given the fact they have pocketed VP like this entire time.

yes... they have.... wait, do you think titus is maf? I'm confused now

I don't know how to read this. Was it a shift of brainpower in the middle of a typed sentence?

Thanks for posting

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Which is like ?? given the fact they have pocketed VP like this entire time.

yes... they have.... wait, do you think titus is maf? I'm confused now

I don't know how to read this. Was it a shift of brainpower in the middle of a typed sentence?

Thanks for posting

Do you think that this was a natural thought?

I am happy you’re posting so if scum breaking lurker meta

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then why have you killed more town then I have this game?

the problem with this argument is literally... we all have right? Like there are no flipped mafia right now

killing town=//=not haveing flipped mafia

GeneralWu (10): tenebrousluminary, fireisredsir, Yeet, Save The Dragons, VP Baltar, humaneatingmonkey, Datisi, MathBlade, fua, Cape90

MalcolmTucker (9): Eyes without a face, Yeet, April Ludgate, Scorpious, Galron, VP Baltar, Titus, fireisredsir, MathBlade

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our town killers

vp, math, fire, titus have been on both town wagons.

Tbf I was really only on the first. I was a conscientious objector on the second

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Can someone Unvote until we get a VC?

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Busy for today. Lurk mode engaged.

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imo titus is playing a scumgame that april should be capable of recognizing and it concerns me that she doesn't. like 5999 and 6008 are deeply unsatisfying to me

It’s why Imho BoPing Boon is the right call.

Still afk

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not sure why you suspect me, Fire

the gamestate doesn't really make sense to me if vp is maf so im considering other possibilities

but idk if any of those possibilities really make any more sense

Was it you or Math who said Nero-Titus-April-???

I still have a hard time seeing Titus, but maybe if the fourth was one of the people consistently pushing me this game, I can maybe squint and see that....

I said Titus/April/VP + 1

Or Cape/Frogger/Titus/April

Or Titus/April/???

I am kinda locked Titus April just dumb to elim outside of the hood
April is locked until they push scum

April should have zero problems with BoP given team mafia.

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I could see maybe Cape Frogger Tene Titus if April is being bad (which is rare)

But overall Titus needs death imho

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Math will certainly instavote in elo.

You think math actually lives to elo?

Better question is why you all think tomorrow is elo.

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Math will certainly instavote in elo.

You think math actually lives to elo?

Better question is why you all think tomorrow is elo.

I dont?

I don't but I think your theory will take more than one day to test.

Malcolm was one.
Today is two.

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Math will certainly instavote in elo.

You think math actually lives to elo?

Better question is why you all think tomorrow is elo.

obviously we have 2 groupscum and 4 traitors

Of course. Math's my traitor and we're going to janitor the real mason.

@VP
@Titus

If tomorrow isn’t elo why talk about it.

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Math will certainly instavote in elo.

You think math actually lives to elo?

Better question is why you all think tomorrow is elo.

obviously we have 2 groupscum and 4 traitors

Of course. Math's my traitor and we're going to janitor the real mason.

I really really hope enchant shoots you

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Hood elim while testing April seems great to me

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VOTE: VP Baltar

Yeah, VPB-Frogster-Enchant-Tene is my solve.

Cool
Then if VP is town then elim Titus then April in that order
If VP is scum elim Titus

That’s my final wish.

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VOTE: VP

Won’t be on as much to be available to hammer

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vp you're just a straight up town ascetic neighbor?

Yeah

So then you’re scum for not claiming neg util at start. Cool.

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vp you're just a straight up town ascetic neighbor?

Yeah

So then you’re scum for not claiming neg util at start. Cool.

But he did claim.

Sorry I forgot

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but math is such an easy scapegoat since he's conftown

hands are tied! can't do anything about it, sorry guys!

I am an easy scapegoat any alignment. It’s a theme.

That’s why I wanna test boon.

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Ugh, I had a correct town block with Yeet-VPB. Gonna go back and look to where my reads were at Day 2 now that I know Malcolm's town.

…Why didn’t you do this D3?

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Nero Cain (4): VP Baltar,

fireisredsir, Enchant, Scorpious

Let's talk about this one, since you 3 are the ones here.

Do you guys think this is a possible all 4 town on Nero wagon, especially considering a Nero wagon would have been a better misfade for scum than VPB who was just hanging on?

This likely means VPB was a better misfade for scum, meaning one of VPB's pushes were likely correct. VPB's pushes were Nero and Frog.

Frogster's comment saying people were gonna start pairing VPB/Frogster up was odd to me, and it's what really started to get me to feel that way. I read it wrong, but I think feeling the offness makes sense coming from FrogsterScum.

Now, that kind of defense feels eerily similar to a ScumKill on Nero, which had the potential to setup a Frogster/Cape 1v1, which means that the neighborhood could be all town.

I think Frogster has more scum equity than Cape.

Frogster/Enchant/Titus/DV

is my current solve. The further to the back, the less sure I am, but the front 2 feel pretty good for me.

I think swap out Enchant or DV for Cape and this is viable

No way scum don’t have a person in that four player hood with TPR that has flipped

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Fire, how do we get the lurkers to take a stance with the lim locked on VP/Nero?

thought this was sus at the time (bc it wasn't locked on those two at the time, people were still willing to push elsewhere) and it's even more sus knowing both were town

Titus time

VOTE: Titus

Titus also reacted weird when I tried to wagon Cape and started being defeatist when I tried to wagon Cape over VP.

Titus Cape Frogger I think nets 3 scum

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Fire, how do we get the lurkers to take a stance with the lim locked on VP/Nero?

thought this was sus at the time (bc it wasn't locked on those two at the time, people were still willing to push elsewhere) and it's even more sus knowing both were town

Titus time

VOTE: Titus

Titus also reacted weird when I tried to wagon Cape and started being defeatist when I tried to wagon Cape over VP.

Titus Cape Frogger I think nets 3 scum

Yeah, I agree.

I do think Enchant's the 4th as well. Titus was already setting up Enchant possible protection earlier too.

VOTE: Titus

Regardless, this opens up this game heavily.

I don’t think Enchant is scum.

I think if Enchant was SK scum shoot him to avoid deaths.
Enchant said they’re out of shots
Enchant is probably a miselim but I will be long since dead by then

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Frogster, Titus, Cape, Enchant

if we're wrong about one or two, we'll be able to adapt from it anyways.

I just dont think Fua's vig claim to begin with is townie.

Let’s do Titus and Frogger first

Then Cape

Then enchant or you (I think Enchant is town).

I am not anywhere near convinced you’re town tbh.

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Or maybe tene.

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But i'll keep that noted. I also don't think Fire or Scorp are scum, which would leave that Nero wagon untouched by scum, which is interesting. Not impossible, I could see a few paths, so we can wait for Enchant anyways

I think if scum knew Nero is doctor they didn’t want him claiming and outing who is doctored and who wasn’t.

Very good odds wagon is clear there of any scum.

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No quessing? Ok.

I tried kill STD.

what were all 3 of your night actions?

Fire, Galron, STD.

I thought you said you were out of shots yesterday or was my brain scrambled?

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Why the Q typo?

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This might be scum enchant and I am wrong and scum enchant trying to save Titus

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there's a very good chance all 3 of those are town shots so if you are town then maf team is doing us a favor lol

Kinda where I am at and I think still elim Titus

Wagon shoulda switched to Cape when I tried and scum blantantly overruled me while trying to make it my elim.

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Why the Q typo?

What

Quessing vs guessing

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STOP WITH SUICIDING, REASON WE SUCK IS BECAUSE "OH LET'S DIE AND OUR FLIP CONFIRM SOMETHING", WELL SURPRISE, NO ONE CARES WHAT READS YOU HAVE, IF YOU ARE NOT HERE, EVERYONE FORGET LITERALLY AFTER 5 SECONDS.

You act as if Math and Fire care now after I was proven right

Except you weren’t

I tried wagoning someone else and you decided game was stuck on VP.

You are trying cake and eating it too.

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like i hate to break it to you but pushing a town flip all day while the whole time crying about how you townread it so strongly and that you're sure it will flip town but it MUST BE DONE anyway is... not towny, even if you're looking at it on the most basic level

This

Then when I picked someone else you hopped on VP.

That’s not how any of this works

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Silencing me would strictly be better for scum, no matter my alignment from your perspective.

If I am correct town, scum silence a smart voice.
If I am dead scum, then I don't give out info.

The correct play from town was to give out hope that I wouldn't be the day's misfade.

You’re a voice that refuses to cooperate with town so…

Scum?

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If Enchant is SK he’s forced to shoot scum tonight

I don’t really care if Enchant is SK

We need mafia.

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Who is mafia Titus?

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Imo STD blatant scum, literally no one cares about them.

no one cares about me? ;~;

I think you’re town and I care about town.

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I kinda think Enchant is SK more I think about it.
DV reason is bad lmao.

No wagons got hardly any traction ever. That’s why VP seemed scum when Malcolm wagon popped up.

Now my push is “improper” why? Lmao
One of fire/April I can actually agree with

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I kinda think Enchant is SK more I think about it.
DV reason is bad lmao.

No wagons got hardly any traction ever. That’s why VP seemed scum when Malcolm wagon popped up.

Now my push is “improper” why? Lmao
One of fire/April I can actually agree with

Your foundation is still bad. Although the math odds, with Nero's death go up in the hood to 100%.

Rewrite please you’re missing words.

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UNVOTE: Titus

Agh. I hope I'm not all flipped up again. I can't do what I did to VPB last day phase. I had him correct as town, and I still turned. I think the same thing is happening with Titus. In my heart, I feel they are town.


Is ScumFire in my head? Is this what's happening this game?

VOTE: Frogster

I kinda think Enchant is SK more I think about it.
DV reason is bad lmao.

No wagons got hardly any traction ever. That’s why VP seemed scum when Malcolm wagon popped up.

Now my push is “improper” why? Lmao
One of fire/April I can actually agree with

Your foundation is still bad. Although the math odds, with Nero's death go up in the hood to 100%.

Rewrite please you’re missing words.

Your assumption was that VP Nero or Cape had to have a scum. I told you this was bad. VP and Nero are both dead and flipped town. If your assumption is correct, then Cape is scum.

Then you aren’t voting Cape because?

Let’s grant for a moment scum have a roleblocker
Let’s also grant Enchant is SK.

What would scum have against
A semi sort of cop
A doctor
Two masons
And four players who are masons but not in name only?

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April we’re doing Titus and then Cape when Titus flips red.

Get aboard or we’re doing you third

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I think Frogster is scum more times out of 10 than Cape is.

I don’t. Cape to me is lock scum
Titus defended lock scum.

Cape > Frogger

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What would scum have against
A semi sort of cop << Yeet
A doctor << Nero
Two masons << Me and HEM
And four players who are masons but not in name only?

^^ VP, Nero, Cape, Galron

what is this list?

Cape or Galron are lock scum via mech.

I am told Galron can’t be so Cape has to be

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April we’re doing Titus and then Cape when Titus flips red.

Get aboard or we’re doing you third

Yeah, I've been having Frogster as the main on my list, and in addition to VPB, I don't think I ever agreed to letting Frog wait 3 day phases until I push there?

And on top of that, I think Titus is going to flip green.

We did your elim two days in a row

It’s my turn as the mason.

You were boped and failed

She doesn’t flip green ever

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If she somehow does she Steven Universed this shit

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I think Frogster is scum more times out of 10 than Cape is.

I don’t. Cape to me is lock scum
Titus defended lock scum.

Cape > Frogger

I don't think so. The way Cape came after me and the way he was with VPB makes me think the neighborhood was all town from non neighborhood reasons.

Cape or Galron is scum

I will never yield on that.

Titus needs death today

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Yes it is and if Titus was town she’d be agreeing with me.

We are doing Titus

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Here's my main thing. I see Frogster-Titus and Frogster-Cape as two possibilities this game. Frogster fits on almost any team I see + it's my guy VPB's main push, and I actively told him yesterday "Your Frog case is a lot stronger than your Nero case", and there's a reason for that.

Here’s my main thing

You keep working against me and I am sick of it

I gave you two elims both were town

The fact you’re working against me is a bad sign

We are doing Titus and if she is green we can do Frog tomorrow

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the power of masons is much more in being confirmed town to each other than it is in being to talk to each other. 4 town neighborhood does not have that power

4 neighborhood when hoods are used properly is gamebreaking.

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Here's my main thing. I see Frogster-Titus and Frogster-Cape as two possibilities this game. Frogster fits on almost any team I see + it's my guy VPB's main push, and I actively told him yesterday "Your Frog case is a lot stronger than your Nero case", and there's a reason for that.

Here’s my main thing

You keep working against me and I am sick of it

I gave you two elims both were town

The fact you’re working against me is a bad sign

We are doing Titus and if she is green we can do Frog tomorrow

So if you dictate my green flip, you still won't admit my theory is right will you? You'll dictate Frogster and then go right back to Cape.

Yes I will go back to Cape

I do not see a world where Cape and Galron are town
I have asked for a mechanical PR set scum could have to counter it and no explanation

The only reason I don’t dictate Cape today is because there’s too many naysayers

And you I can get and you’re both lock scum to me

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A townblock of 4 is gamebreaking. Titus knows this as it is how she plays town.

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A townblock of 4 is gamebreaking. Titus knows this as it is how she plays town.

If they recognize each other. The hood happens to be town. It's not mechanically so.

Given 5 days what are the odds of that…

You’d need a nightkill every night
Then you still don’t kill the masons, the cop, or the doctors

So no there has to be scum in there.

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A townblock of 4 is gamebreaking. Titus knows this as it is how she plays town.

If they recognize each other. The hood happens to be town. It's not mechanically so.

Given 5 days what are the odds of that…

You’d need a nightkill every night
Then you still don’t kill the masons, the cop, or the doctors

So no there has to be scum in there.

If town succesfully townread each other, we win. That's the point of the game.

Yes but scum also get a chance to win the game too.

I am pretty sick of making infallible arguments and being ignored with a “but what if you’re wrong” and no effort said otherwise.

Go find me a large normal with a hood of 4+ without a scum.

I don’t think you’ll be able to do it

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A townblock of 4 is gamebreaking. Titus knows this as it is how she plays town.

If they recognize each other. The hood happens to be town. It's not mechanically so.

Given 5 days what are the odds of that…

You’d need a nightkill every night
Then you still don’t kill the masons, the cop, or the doctors

So no there has to be scum in there.

If town succesfully townread each other, we win. That's the point of the game.

Yes but scum also get a chance to win the game too.

I am pretty sick of making infallible arguments and being ignored with a “but what if you’re wrong” and no effort said otherwise.

Go find me a large normal with a hood of 4+ without a scum.

I don’t think you’ll be able to do it

I've modded games with hoods of 4+ all town

Then it’s a simple request to provide it.

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Moderator: Can you please facepalm?

This is even more of a fucking slip.

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So you think Boon makes up the games he mods?

I think it’s part of a pattern to not do ask I ask

When I already don’t trust him

It’s a simple thing to do

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Moderator: Can you please facepalm?

This is even more of a fucking slip.

How is joking based off Enchant's chart a slip?

What did I slip?

That you have a PT you can ask the mod stuff in

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UNVOTE:

like, it really doesn't matter does it

What do you mean it doesn’t matter?

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Moderator: Can you please facepalm?

This is even more of a fucking slip.

How is joking based off Enchant's chart a slip?

What did I slip?

That you have a PT you can ask the mod stuff in

Ummm yeah

Fire/April, are you sure you want to be agreeing with someone who proposes the mod do something in public is a scumslip? Are you sure you want to be agreeing with someone who accuses you of making up games? Someone who is responsible for two dead town (VP and Nero)?

I am responsible for 0.

Boon is responsible for Malcolm and VP
Nero was shot by scum

And Wu was a frustration elim

Stop with your BS

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Boon is responsible for Malcolm and VP
Nero was shot by scum

And Wu was a frustration elim

You dictated hood. You're responsible even if not by your hand.

If you get a frustration lim, so do I.

Nope
I don’t barter with scum.

I as mason should have had full control
Instead I have been stopped at every turn by you and Boon

I am taking you out today

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You should really read Titus v. Alisae.

Yes I go find a random game that demonstrates what you as scum want

When no one can link me to a single claim they claim exists

Sure….

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UNVOTE:

like, it really doesn't matter does it

What do you mean it doesn’t matter?

You guys have taken this to such a level beyond this filthy casual's level..

I feel like I'm trying to cross a 6 lane highway on foot..

and unless what I post is highlighted in white it's promptly ignored anyway, probably for the best..

This is a large normal.

My posting has been waaay under my usual.

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Is this too simple for you guys? like I'm not being a smartass..


Titus has been on every mislim wagon.. I mean. this person is supposed to be like a master at this game right?

Then why did you Unvote?

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Is this too simple for you guys? like I'm not being a smartass..


Titus has been on every mislim wagon.. I mean. this person is supposed to be like a master at this game right?

I'm no master. I'm streaky. Also, I have been right and ignored.

When Titus flips red one of her pushes is a bus

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@titus, the fact that math agrees with me on some things has no significant effect on my reads. i appreciate it when he does, though

you trying to argue that me and april shouldn't trust our own reads because they align with what math thinks, and he's been wrong about a lot of things, is incredibly blatant in its manipulative nature, and also a fallacy. im actually a little offended that you think that would work on me tbh

Manipulation is a dirty word for persuasion. Go with the hot hand.

The hot hand is nobody.

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If I die my gut read if Titus is scum one of Fire/April is and Cape almost certainly is by Titus’s play and quickhammer

No time to do more reads work sucks

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If she’s town and I die hooray.

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Okay people tomorrow I have work but am glad to not be dead.

I think that Titus was the one driving the mech spec because Enchant died or scum think my reads are wrong.

So chillin for a bit here.

I think I have an elim pool but I wanna see what those people do. I kinda figured my wifom was fake.

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I feel so vindicated every mechanical thing I have said via VCA has been true

One scum in Datisi and Wu
Titus was scum
And now if there is a scum in Galron/Cape it’s the trifecta

With how much Titus resisted that I think that’s a given

I just am sure I don’t wanna risk that play today I think because I think it might be either one.

Yes yes Yeet clear I wanna see Galron do more to convince me not traitor or do N1 kill

We know Datisi didn’t do N1 kill and was likely on Enchant both nights then all flips are who scum wanted to kill except one.

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some possibly interesting datisi posts i collected (mostly just ones that comment in some way on people that are still alive)
336
1037
1863
2238
2489
3184
3189
3281
3407

Who is datisi now?

Dead flipped Titus

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No quessing? Ok.

I tried kill STD.

what were all 3 of your night actions?

Fire, Galron, STD.

So Fire and Galron are likely alive and Titus aliened Enchant both nights.

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VOTE: std

If he's bulletproof he should've claimed

Two shot lmao.

I am getting the feeling this was planned by Titus

You tunnel different

I think you’re scum but you’re a bad elim today.

If I had a vig I would shoot you

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You wanna talk about other slots Galron?

I want to see if I can build agreement with you.

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I kinda figured my wifom was fake.

You mean you sowed WIFOM or you were hit with WIFOM? Either way please explain.

I suggested Enchant was SK and goofed on shots so scum would shoot in effect over a VT eventually. I didn’t expect it to work tonight damn.

He was either SK or town so it wouldn’t hurt to have SK work with us. So win win.

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don't think its likely I vote outside frog/eyes/cape today

Could I convince you to add April to that pool?

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Curious. I had planned my first post to be quoting Titus' role PM and voting Enchant.

How come?

He was blocked 3 times and that is a 2x mafia roleblocker.

Enchant was a two shot vig

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Who here wants to talk April? *puppy eyes*

Boon is a hard sort but I think they’re scum and want opinions

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I kinda figured my wifom was fake.

You mean you sowed WIFOM or you were hit with WIFOM? Either way please explain.

I suggested Enchant was SK and goofed on shots so scum would shoot in effect over a VT eventually. I didn’t expect it to work tonight damn.

He was either SK or town so it wouldn’t hurt to have SK work with us. So win win.

So would be SK other than Enchant? I'd rather target both because they are all eseentially anti-wc.

Lol there is no SK probably

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also y'all are forgetting nero. he could have doctored one of the shots

It’s pretty simple

Enchant fired N1 and N2 and was blocked by Titus both nights
Nero was shot by scum
N3 enchant had no shots and neither did Titus

So std was just a read or Enchant forgot he was two shot

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Curious. I had planned my first post to be quoting Titus' role PM and voting Enchant.

How come?

He was blocked 3 times and that is a 2x mafia roleblocker.

Fair. I was pretty sure Enchant was town after the psychologist flip, and knowing that there was a mafia blocking role (even if 2-shot) kind of cemented it, especially with the x-shot nature of the game. But it's all moot now.

Tangentially, I still strongly think tene is town.

Don’t worry I am forgetful sometimes but sometimes what I don’t say is important

Can you has April read please?

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right ok so why is galron sus of std

Because Galron scum isn’t reading and scum expected Enchant to flip SK

Whatever alignment Galron isn’t reading and that’s Galron scum

It’s why I want Galron to talk other slots

I also want April reads please

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My guess is Titus told him to do it so he had engagement.

I am thinking April Galron but I don’t think we elim Galron today and unsure of the last

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april town

Why?

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Who here wants to talk April? *puppy eyes*

Boon is a hard sort but I think they’re scum and want opinions

I am happy to talk about April. I've been thinking about Ari's hard buddying of Datisi and Datisi responding that with "I think you might know I'm town and are trying to make me trust you!" (paraphrased), which could be scum-theatre.

The Titus wagon also happened VERY quickly and I wonder how much that had to do with April being the alternate.

I'm not necessarily thinking that April is scum (and I did previously think that April was more likely town) but these are potential talking points going on in my mind.

PEdit: @Math my slightly outdated April read is town. Still working out what I think based on new developments/reconsideration.

I think April is scum.

Malcolm wagon was to assert dominance
VP was BoP and failed

Then when we were working together April had a gut read Titus was town

When is Boon this bad?

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It happened quickly imho because I wasn’t going to accept counter wagons

Titus was going down that day like I said the prior day. April tried to sell me elsewhere but April burnt all their cred.

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VOTE: fireisred

I don't know April's alignment but the idea that fire is so sure of it doesn't read genuine at all.

Hmmm interesting.

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ok so i was thinking about this, and hear me out here... at first i didn't really buy that April genuinely thought the vp/frog/tene solve was a good one (cause it wasn't)

but

i think scum april would be smarter than that lol. like there's a few people saying "hmmm idk if i trust you" and math saying "let's follow you and see if you get us a scum" and i think like 95% of the time there scum april gives them a scum. i think scum april, knowing alignments, would be way less likely to consider the vp/frog solve (cause where do you even come up with that if you know vp is town) and use it as a basis to flip reads completely on vp. is that a thing? am i allowed to townread someone bc I think they'd be better at the game if they were maf? cause i kinda do

Boon is not as good as scum. By that I mean they are among the best scum player but they have a “not as good” vibe. It was so hard to elim him in TM through Nancy 39 for that reason.

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I kinda wanna see how things develop

I think a good town block is forming atm.

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ok so i was thinking about this, and hear me out here... at first i didn't really buy that April genuinely thought the vp/frog/tene solve was a good one (cause it wasn't)

but

i think scum april would be smarter than that lol. like there's a few people saying "hmmm idk if i trust you" and math saying "let's follow you and see if you get us a scum" and i think like 95% of the time there scum april gives them a scum. i think scum april, knowing alignments, would be way less likely to consider the vp/frog solve (cause where do you even come up with that if you know vp is town) and use it as a basis to flip reads completely on vp. is that a thing? am i allowed to townread someone bc I think they'd be better at the game if they were maf? cause i kinda do

Boon is not as good as scum. By that I mean they are among the best scum player but they have a “not as good” vibe. It was so hard to elim him in TM through Nancy 39 for that reason.

I don't get this. E5 it for me please.

Boon’s skill is good as either alignment

Boon as scum tends to never elim scum.
So he just seems like a “bad” Townie.

Boon doesn’t bus enough.

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I'm also suspicious of frogster but I can't really artiuclate it right now. Over night I was too focused on STD

In other words you're chainsawing me because I finally stepped out of fire's pocket

What does that even mean? You haven't pushed scum and I'm the bad guy?

What does stepped out of fire's pocket mean? you nthink fire is scum?

It's kinda susp yeah you didn't really say anything about your read of me until I called fire out for his shitty townsend on april

Then why not vote April?

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frog is scum who did not plan well enough for today and is trying to look genuine but did not choose the correct direction to go lol

Quite possible

I am also considering you/April/frog/Galron/Cape containing all the scum solve

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i caught titus and convinced like all of the wagon to vote there. give me my poe for today at least

We caught her together. I don’t like this post

I agree you’re not a good elim today

Like what the fuck is up with the revisionist history you and Titus are doing

I no likey

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ok mb you're right, you get credit too. but i did convince tene and dragons and cape at least, and april at one point

I agree there. But this is a team game

Titus was negging me hard and trying to stop cohesion.

So I think she wanted me to look bad as possible at eod.

They had likely already decided to kill Enchant there.

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VOTE: April

Leaving this here overnight.

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VOTE: Frog

It’s either Frog or April today

Why force the boolean?

I have my opinions but either or is so blah.

They could both be scum or neither.

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frog is scum who did not plan well enough for today and is trying to look genuine but did not choose the correct direction to go lol

i caught titus and convinced like all of the wagon to vote there. give me my poe for today at least

Looks like I caught a live one

Could be SvS if fire is scum.

Not really liking all the bold declarations in thread versus communicating and block forming.

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VOTE: Frog

It’s either Frog or April today

???

April and Frog are scums

Why do you say this?

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Not really liking all the bold declarations in thread versus communicating and block forming.

what if i boldly communicate my block forming

That’d be a good idea.

Because right now I think you’re boldly going where no scum has gone before

(Brownie points if you get the reference)

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VOTE: Frog

It’s either Frog or April today

???

April and Frog are scums

Why do you say this?

Mainly VCA, and minor things I might be able to articulate more tomorrow when I’m awake, but 90% vca

I would rather not be held to that boolean until you show your work because it’s a word I considered.

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Not really liking all the bold declarations in thread versus communicating and block forming.

what if i boldly communicate my block forming

That’d be a good idea.

Because right now I think you’re boldly going where no scum has gone before

(Brownie points if you get the reference)

Cover my nose in brownies, Mr Shatner

Take your brownie points but it’s actually Gene Rodenberry as Kirk never said the lines

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Not really liking all the bold declarations in thread versus communicating and block forming.

what if i boldly communicate my block forming

That’d be a good idea.

Because right now I think you’re boldly going where no scum has gone before

(Brownie points if you get the reference)

im not old enough to get the reference (but i do get it anyway. the final frontier!)

my personal block is me/math/april/std/deas. galron, tene, and scorp are a bit weaker. the other 3 have at least 2 scum in them imo

Yeah this is a bad look imho

Me/std/deas/tene/scorp is way better.

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Boolean = yes/no it means exclusively two choices. True/false left or right etc

Get some sleep Scorpious can see it in the AM.

It’s okay my theory is even wilder

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where_n ... one_before

I stand corrected

It’s Kirk your brownies aren’t burnt

I deserve that thanks Scorpio

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6904

Really frogster? fire? The "I don't know April's alignment" comment thing felt big forced.

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Scorpius,

You said 6934 over here yeah?

what do you think about the EoD VC 6841 ?

April was the only other one on Frogster when Titus got self-hammered last day

My spicy theory was that everything was a planned bus

A scum was going down no matter what yesterday

April Frogger Titus was all just spicy theatre. Titus was always the loser being out of shots

She just didn’t expect it so fast

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also i think it is pretty possible still that we have a traitor. in which case maybe im wrong about one of my townreads. but we might as well aim to catch the groupscum first if we can

Hence why I think traitor is Galron but bad elim in case I am wrong

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6904

Really frogster? fire? The "I don't know April's alignment" comment thing felt big forced.

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Scorpius,

You said 6934 over here yeah?

what do you think about the EoD VC 6841 ?

April was the only other one on Frogster when Titus got self-hammered last day

My spicy theory was that everything was a planned bus

A scum was going down no matter what yesterday

April Frogger Titus was all just spicy theatre. Titus was always the loser being out of shots

She just didn’t expect it so fast

Actually looking, I could actually buy that

fire is a bit town based on VC
Scorpius is mega town based on VC

I think Frogster/April/Eyes really could be endgame

Maybe Fire and Galron instead of eyes

I kinda really want April unless April brings a spicy solve though

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skitter would def be willing to early push datisi if they were maf together imo, i don't think that's really very AI for her

I think Skitter got thrown off her game at the start when I pointed out her tell

I mean Titus devoted her time to shutting me down

Makes me think I had good reads for once

Normally she tries to suck up to me as scum.

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remember it's only 6 votes to elim, i don't think we have to rush through today now that we have some decent info from the flip, so be a little careful with throwing around votes

Anyone bringing to quick e-1 is sus

Where was this caution yesterday?

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And April is VLA on weekends so let’s not hyperpost people.

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titus did def have the goal of arguing with you and trying to get on the town side of that argument and push you away. i interpreted that as having the selfish goal mostly of trying to appear as the "correct" one and get townread off it, especially to pocket April, which worked btw. but it could have had a dual purpose also of not letting you work together with town

Titus specifically wanted me dead and to policy me and actually bemoaned the fact she couldn’t

This means I was a threat to her imho

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More for fire than Math fwiw

Don’t worry I wasn’t gonna explain anyway
Joys of being a mason it’s unlikely anyone in my town PoE gets elimmed now or maybe even ever

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eyes being on Frogster might be something that is town positive for them, but guess it could be distancing. Either way, will be interesting to see Eyes take this day.

the scum team could just be all the pinks. I think it makes sense that there was a lot of scum on VPB considering VPB was the only one at the time pushing Frogster the way they were, but Cape had a hard pocket, so idk if that'd been worth it.

However, Cape-Froggy have some high equity teaming.

Cape-Froggy I'm probably willing to lock in as scum.

Nah I am pretty comfortable elimming you.

You really contradicted yourself and said tene is town and now tene is possible scum.

The sad thing is I think you might be right and Frogger is scum.

I really don’t like how fire didn’t call you out for this.

I am almost to the point of flipping you and sheeping your reads if you’re town

And if you’re scum the rest in

Fire/Cape/Galron….maybe eyes?

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Maybe Frogger but I am super scared Fire didn’t note that.

Fire April is looking like a thing.

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Biggest way you can tell I'm not scum is by looking at who my partners would be this game.

There aren't any viable scum teams that make sense with me on it unless Fire was also scum.

Cape? Yeah, he been coming at me hard for days now as damage control.

STD? They were coasting on me all game.

Tene? "Just cuz you protected me you thought i'd town read you?

I guess some combination of Scorp/Eyes/DeasVail/Fire would be the best bet.

I mean that’s kinda where I am at. The more fire just goes “nope town” on you despite overwhelming evidence makes me think that way.

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Nah I don’t like how Titus keeps arguing 0 scum in the hood

if titus is maf then she doesn't know who the traitor is. but if there is no groupscum in the hood she would probably assume the traitor is in there, i think

Now this is very interesting….

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The main issue I have is if I am right and traitor exists this is the last miselim we have.

So as much as I think you’re scum April I am torn between eliminating Frog or you.

I should just be tunneling you because of how wrong you have been

But at the same time I think if you’re scum you know this and give me frog and set up for you and Fire stomp.

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Interesting why the immediate claim Eyes?

Yes I am about a few pages behind will comment later

VOTE: Unvote

Too be clear my reads haven’t changed I just want time to think late tonight

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I think that might just be a fake claim. But maybe I am wrong.

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It’s more someone I suspect will counter claim possibly.

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Interesting why the immediate claim Eyes?

Because I was

4-shot

and I couldn't believe I lived long enough to use all my shots and without even having to claim earlier. I am happy to get it all off my chest and besides you said we only have one mislim at hand so I wanted you to have all possible resources/info before you

I was saying if there was a traitor.

I think something is wrong here. It may not be with you but something is up. So going to wait and see.

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I think that might just be a fake claim. But maybe I am wrong.

Why would I fake claim out of the blue here? I am not even being pushed today (at least not yet). My results don't even clear or condemn anyone 100% either

I don’t see why you would as town but I see why you would as scum.

But then again that might be play style differences so going to let this sit a bit.

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Why is it sus to you?

Because I believe the mafia killed Nero due to having information on him and this could be that very information or you could have produced this claim as a mafia rolecop.

Interesting. And as a mafia rolecop why am I clearing you of all slots? You were the one I'm pivoted to besides frog. Now it would be silly for me to even bring your name up as a lim without a proper case made by someone else.

It doesn't clear me. But if you in fact rolecopped me -- quite reasonable given implications I made earlier -- you would know I could not possibly have acted Night 4.

That's irrelevant. At this point I believe all living players are either scum or VT (aside from Math and myself). I don't think the town has more PRs, so I could have picked anyone else to semi-clear if I was faking.

But I don't think I can change the way you feel about me so I'll concede you have a point in the Nero NK coming after I followed him.

This I think is your mistake if scum.

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Frog/Cape locked team.

Third is in Eyes/STD/Tene/Scorp.

Still dont think it's Scorp.


@Math - My thing with Eyes is, why would they actively make the mistake as scum when they could have just not done anything and avoided it. Cape voting Eyes to only back off once a PR claim looks like Cape being scared of challenging a town PR at this point in the game.

The 4-shot is a really odd thing to claim as scum.

Not saying it's impossible, I still have them for the 3rd slot, but it's not a lock for me right now.

But I do think Cape's scum equity raised heavily after the PR claim, and their actions

I think Cape or Galron are scum yes. Not much has changed there.

@April -> I can’t answer the why yet. I just think someone crumbed something that’s contradictory to eyes claim so I would rather them respond first. Maybe I read something wrong.

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Frog/Cape locked team.

Third is in Eyes/STD/Tene/Scorp.

Still dont think it's Scorp.


@Math - My thing with Eyes is, why would they actively make the mistake as scum when they could have just not done anything and avoided it. Cape voting Eyes to only back off once a PR claim looks like Cape being scared of challenging a town PR at this point in the game.

The 4-shot is a really odd thing to claim as scum.

Not saying it's impossible, I still have them for the 3rd slot, but it's not a lock for me right now.

But I do think Cape's scum equity raised heavily after the PR claim, and their actions

I think Cape or Galron are scum yes. Not much has changed there.

@April -> I can’t answer the why yet. I just think someone crumbed something that’s contradictory to eyes claim so I would rather them respond first. Maybe I read something wrong.

If it's Tene, I'd fade tene over Eyes here in an instant. Because Tene was softing by trying to avoid the mass claim, which is super scummy at this point in the game.

Why are you assuming Tene?

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Also, you said 'someone' Math, and there was really no other option, and I don't think it needed to be hidden at all. if it were Fire, he'd use it to push Eyes, Galron/DV weren't here.

STD doesnt say anything.

Scorp/Myself are VT.

Cape repositioned completely away from Eyes after

Only real option for it to have been was Tene.

Your logic is flawed. It’s antitown to say where.

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Math, can we claim me as 3rd mason yet and stop the charade?

You’re not third mason. There never was a charade

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Also, you said 'someone' Math, and there was really no other option, and I don't think it needed to be hidden at all. if it were Fire, he'd use it to push Eyes, Galron/DV weren't here.

STD doesnt say anything.

Scorp/Myself are VT.

Cape repositioned completely away from Eyes after

Only real option for it to have been was Tene.

Your logic is flawed. It’s antitown to say where.

that's a difference in opinion then. I think it's anti-town to stay hidden, especially on Day 5.

I think it will be worth it. If you want me to consider you town give me room to explore

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Not even meaning to be a dick about it, just my thoughts

Please don’t use this language.

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given the possible partners that tene would have if he were scum here, the movement on the d1 and d2 wagons actually fit kinda perfectly

gonna be annoyed if i had it right originally and everyone convinced me tene was town. still not interested in it today but that's why he isn't quite full town for me yet

Tene scum would require another person who softed an inno on Tene to be lying

Not interested in tene

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given the possible partners that tene would have if he were scum here, the movement on the d1 and d2 wagons actually fit kinda perfectly

gonna be annoyed if i had it right originally and everyone convinced me tene was town. still not interested in it today but that's why he isn't quite full town for me yet

Tene scum would require another person who softed an inno on Tene to be lying

Not interested in tene

Eh, I'll believe this when it's confirmed to have happened. I don't trust anybody's softs right now. I will not be using this in any way shape or form to adjust any sort of Tene read I have.

Hard claims or bust for me.

I find that softs generally are town motivated barring a major plan so I want to wait and see

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Titus set a good trap, i won't even get into the deep layers that went into it, even if it were subconsciously.

Titus has one of my favorite mafia playstyles I've seen.

Titus and I have some points similar though

But Titus weaponizes truth

It’s more about how and the why I haven’t had a chance to analyze

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@Math - I think something that helps Fire town read me, but unable to define it is because coming from their POV, I just have no possible allies this game because they're doing all the work to defend me. Had Fire not stated their strong town read on me, my posts would mean absolutely nothing but noise today (I am quite noisy still, but it's not just noise, I do try to throw in a bunch of my thoughts and analysis)

Do you see where any of my potential allies would be in this game based on the social dynamics?

Fire and one of Cape/Galron maybe Frog.

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Ooh and maybe eyes as well

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yeah, Fire/April/Galron does make a lot of sense. I can see your perspective on that one. Yeah, oh my gosh, that would be such a terrible position to be in I now am understanding your dread for how possibly end gaming scary that combination is.

I can’t tell if you’re sarcastic or not

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Fuck, I make so much sense as scum, and like....in a way where im oily, it's hard to get me, and ive been leading onto misfades and then coming off scott free ish.

But like, ya wanna believe i'm town right. well guess what everyone, i am town this game, you dont need to worry. just listen and follow our leader fire to victory. trust in us. we shall trust in you.

Let me be abundantly clear.

I hate this post and I hate this style

I feel like I am arguing with you for control versus cooperation.

People should be following me which is proper as conf town.

I don’t like you arguing people should follow fire.

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Fuck, I make so much sense as scum, and like....in a way where im oily, it's hard to get me, and ive been leading onto misfades and then coming off scott free ish.

But like, ya wanna believe i'm town right. well guess what everyone, i am town this game, you dont need to worry. just listen and follow our leader fire to victory. trust in us. we shall trust in you.

Let me be abundantly clear.

I hate this post and I hate this style

I feel like I am arguing with you for control versus cooperation.

People should be following me which is proper as conf town.

I don’t like you arguing people should follow fire.

oh, right, im not really arguing that you shouldn't be followed, just didn't know if you have chosen or not.

plus, normally, i dont see conf townies as being able to be in that position of always being able to read the game correctly, if that makes sense. We all existing in this world, anyone can pull out a case that starts to make the others go "oh damn, that's right." i really shouldnt have said follow the player, that was just shorthand for going follow the player's reasoning. reasoning can be just a line or two because sometimes that's all it is.

i didn't even know we were arguing, im just kinda talkin to talk. i was more being funny, and presentational in the fact that I've accepted my existence in this game heavily is thanks to Fire.

Maybe I am just sensitive because of what Titus was doing and how she shaded me but win or lose I really want people to see the effort I am putting in to be better and shit like that hurts

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Hey Cape, I know you've been fairly suspicious of Scorpious throughout the game. Why not push them here?

You caught up?

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Hey Cape, I know you've been fairly suspicious of Scorpious throughout the game. Why not push them here?

You caught up?

I am yeah

So you don’t notice any issue with eyes?

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So it’s Cape, Tene, and StD, eh?

Hmm.

I think Tene might be the scum there.

Tene comes across as very… uninformed to me

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Curious. I had planned my first post to be quoting Titus' role PM and voting Enchant.

How come?

He was blocked 3 times and that is a 2x mafia roleblocker.

Fair. I was pretty sure Enchant was town after the psychologist flip, and knowing that there was a mafia blocking role (even if 2-shot) kind of cemented it, especially with the x-shot nature of the game. But it's all moot now.

Tangentially, I still strongly think tene is town.

How do these posts happen if you did nothing on N3 based on eyes posts?

The first is on D4.

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Curious. I had planned my first post to be quoting Titus' role PM and voting Enchant.

How come?

He was blocked 3 times and that is a 2x mafia roleblocker.

Fair. I was pretty sure Enchant was town after the psychologist flip, and knowing that there was a mafia blocking role (even if 2-shot) kind of cemented it, especially with the x-shot nature of the game. But it's all moot now.

Tangentially, I still strongly think tene is town.

How do these posts happen if you did nothing on N3 based on eyes posts?

The first is on D4.

Let me be blunt. On N3 did you inno tene?
Do you have an inno on tene?

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Then eyes is possibly town and my theory of a CC doesn’t exist.

I am still kind of at
Frog
Fire/April << one or both
Cape/Galron << one or none

I think Frog is the safest but I think use a miselim in fire / April tomorrow after I die. I prefer April.

I have RL if we could hold off until tomorrow after work it would be awesome. I am brain dead

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in the one scumgame that i saw, frog started off pretty strong and then fell apart quickly and stopped doing any sort of solving once he got under pressure. he got elimmed d1. i don't think he knows how to play lategame scum.

I didn't make it very far because no one town read me and that's the only scum game I've played in years. My play in this game looks nothing like my play in that game which is my only scum game and happened to also be in a large setup with some similar players. I didn't make it past the first day for a reason and it doesn't make sense that you believe based on that game my play here is my scum play.

If you read Bunnies like you're claiming you did, then you would've known that my play this game closely resembles my town game and I've even been in a situation very similar to this recently as town.

In that game MathBlade was clear and tunneled me even though my play made no sense as scum and multiple people believed I was town. Town sheeped his vote even though Math successfully wagoned three or four townies back to back. A parallel to this game where Math attempted to prevent making the same mistakes but now is falling back on old habits.

Town did shit all and started wagoning me and long story short I replaced out, and my replacement Nero Cain killed himself by selfvote in like 40 minutes. He did it because it's so obnoxious to play as town with a clear MathBlade ranting about the virtues of his solve you know is wrong while your mutual townreads go deer in the headlights and eventually vote you out.

I think you're probably scum because you seem to be benefitting from this situation and I don't buy your perspective on my meta, I think it's a half assed excuse to sheep tunneled MathBlade.

I townread Scorpion but Scorpion was scum with me in my only completed scum game which just ended so he should know this isn't my scum game. Scorpion seems to be benefitting from this situation as well and is a much more capable scum player than I am so I think I may have been outplayed a little bit.

There's a lot more solving to be done but I'm not going to do that until MathBlade is dead or I see activity in the thread which indicates my townreads aren't going to sheep his shitty read on me and fire's sketchy opportunistic meta push on me.

If you don’t solve you die

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I do not have an inno on tene

I’m about 80% sure tene is scum

Tene if they don’t solve can go back in the pool

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Mainly I think flip frog I die y’all can solve it

*hides from blushies*

If Frogger is somehow town flip boon

That’s 4 in a row wrong. Inexcusable

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And if Frogger is scum boon may still be scum but has a possibility of town