While I disagree with a VP elimination, I know he can't live until elo without a clear. A clear is unlikely to happen with yeet's flip. I'd rather admit I lost the argument and try again tomorrow than drag the town through a screaming match that is likely to fail and demotivate us further without a scumread of my own. In the rare event I am wrong, then I fully expect to be vigged tonight or eliminated tomorrow and I've made my peace with that. I think game health needs VP dead no matter how much I disagree.In post 5576, Nero Cain wrote:I would like to resolve VP today, if we really can't get him Titus is fine but VP should have been flipped yesterday. All his stuff about being a good hunter and a net positive for town is just bluster. Don't let him fool you.
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Or they just don't have to do anythingIn post 5579, Nero Cain wrote:
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#confused?In post 5571, Nero Cain wrote:but with your proposed team scums bidding has been to not let VP die....
scum is voting me over VP today, the majority of scum was voting Malcolm. If you really believed in your world you'd have to believe that scum really really doesn't want VP flipped.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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I'm not pushing for VP to get eliminated. I just can't herd cattle to get any of my suspects wagoned. I'd literally vote any of them to save my town core. That's Mama Bear.In post 5590, fireisredsir wrote:titus prob just TMIing, and yet still pushing for vp to get limmed
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Literally everyone else is avoiding a comment on Nero. There are plenty of fake votes on VP from slots such as Deas. If I could get Nero, I'd take it in a heartbeat. It's just not happening.In post 5597, fireisredsir wrote:titus is pushing for a vp flip over a Nero one despite the wagons being close at 5-4, probably bc both are town and she knows a vp flip will make her look better than a Nero oneShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Literally everyone else besides Math or Galron is scummier to me so far.In post 5601, Nero Cain wrote:
you aren't even voting for any of them. You are 100% trying to lim me over VP. You don't care about flipping scum, you care about saving VP.In post 5596, Titus wrote:
I'm not pushing for VP to get eliminated. I just can't herd cattle to get any of my suspects wagoned. I'd literally vote any of them to save my town core. That's Mama Bear.In post 5590, fireisredsir wrote:titus prob just TMIing, and yet still pushing for vp to get limmed
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Forgot I won't do Enchant today either but oh well.In post 5604, Titus wrote:
Literally everyone else besides Math or Galron is scummier to me so far.In post 5601, Nero Cain wrote:
you aren't even voting for any of them. You are 100% trying to lim me over VP. You don't care about flipping scum, you care about saving VP.In post 5596, Titus wrote:
I'm not pushing for VP to get eliminated. I just can't herd cattle to get any of my suspects wagoned. I'd literally vote any of them to save my town core. That's Mama Bear.In post 5590, fireisredsir wrote:titus prob just TMIing, and yet still pushing for vp to get limmed
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I'm just saving VP. I'd kill anyone but you Galron or Math to do it.In post 5610, Enchant wrote:Are scumreading eyes are not popular anymore and everyone sheep instead...ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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No. I have solved a chunk of the game. VP April Galron Math and Enchant are my core even if they don't or can't work together. I think that's enough to trap scum, even a deep wolf.In post 5614, fireisredsir wrote:titus behavior here just makes no sense from town pov. she's not solving. it's all positioning and political
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Nero had momentum. When VP voted Frogester that kills the Nero wagon and gives momentum to FrogsterIn post 5615, Enchant wrote:
Didn't vote STD when i voted themIn post 5612, Titus wrote:
I'm just saving VP. I'd kill anyone but you Galron or Math to do it.In post 5610, Enchant wrote:Are scumreading eyes are not popular anymore and everyone sheep instead...ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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I've literally responded to every case on him, detailed how and why I agree with his case at start of day (just that I'd emphasize different things (I doubt you Frogster and StD is the team). I detailed why I feel VP makes most of the plays he does as town. I engaged Fire's repeated suggestions of VP scum.In post 5619, Nero Cain wrote:Titus, you keep calling VP town but I don't think you've ever explained why.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Where did he do this?In post 5620, Frogsterking wrote:VP asked me to answer his questions repeatedly then ducked out when I actually did.
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I didn't vote you when you had momentum. I created it by asking VP to join me. I kept it there because of momentum.In post 5623, Nero Cain wrote:
Frog wasn't even in your solve. I have the same issue with both of you guys where you vote wherever the least resistance is. Also not scum reading me while voting me while I had "momentum" is disingenuous.In post 5618, Titus wrote:Nero had momentum. When VP voted Frogester that kills the Nero wagon and gives momentum to Frogster
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*sigh*In post 5627, fireisredsir wrote:k well vp is either maf or so deep in the pocket that he might as well be. gee i wonder why titus wants to keep him alive
VOTE: vp
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No. His theory is that you're a team.In post 5628, Nero Cain wrote:
so you are sheeping VP's theory then?In post 5625, Titus wrote:Also Frogster is in my scumpool and fits my theory that one of you/Frogster/STD is scum.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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In post 4897, Titus wrote:
Alright, I read most of your case. However, I don't expect all three of Nero/Frogster/Dragons to be scum. All three scum going in on an agency capture move is highly unlikely. Second, Nero is easily distractable and stubborn. He's not MathBlade levels of stubborn but still stubborn. A denial of a soft could come as much as pride rather than anything else. I don't see all three scum pushing a soft clear as they'd be boned if a flash wagon appeared. I'd look at people who pushed Galron exclusively as it was a sign they couldn't make content.In post 4894, VP Baltar wrote:
Not a problem. It is a lot. I hate big cases like that, but it really stuck out in my notes, so I felt like this is a time I should wrote out all my thoughts.In post 4893, Titus wrote:VP, I need a bit to review what you wrote.
I do feel you cased DV the best in your post.
I don't like tene saying protect Math or else with an invest soft in the game.
Then there's scorpious and eyes.
The problem is I'm not left with an aggressive scum unless I am wrong somewhere.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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I don't see how that supports your position or why you're not voting him if you feel so strongly?ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Where was he SRing me? I don't remember this. I've been paranoid of Scorpious because it feels like he's too nice to me.In post 5687, Galron wrote:
You were scum reading Titus' slot from what I can tell and now you're sheeping her. Why?In post 5493, Scorpious wrote:
UNVOTE:In post 5472, Titus wrote:Frogsterking - A few questions to me. Otherwise, no real contribution.
Scorpious - Random vote on Cake and wanting to die.
Save The Dragons - Sheep and leave.
DeasVail - FoS and then VLA
Eyes without a face - Prodded said nothing
April Ludgate - Included to be fair. No real push.
Cape90 - Barely here, but he arguably could be excluded.
A good bulk of your scum are in here.
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Math, quick question, how many bad guys do you think there are?ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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That's not something he's going to be capable of. We just have to do it VP.
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Both. I'm thinking about what to do next.In post 5721, VP Baltar wrote:
Me? Or math?In post 5720, Titus wrote:How many bad guys do you think there are?ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Yes but which. :/ One gives us two miseliminations while the other gives 3.In post 5722, MathBlade wrote:
4-5In post 5718, Titus wrote:Math, quick question, how many bad guys do you think there are?ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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We have masons, an investigative and a vig. I'm leaning 5 because in most setup runs conftown would quickly outnumber scum. I'm wanting to check my work.In post 5725, VP Baltar wrote:
Looking at what has been revealed so far about town power, and if you assume Enchant is a town vig being RBed, then 4. More than that would seem OP for scum is my guess.In post 5723, Titus wrote:
Both. I'm thinking about what to do next.In post 5721, VP Baltar wrote:
Me? Or math?In post 5720, Titus wrote:How many bad guys do you think there are?ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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If 5 scum, I'd have to agree but that idea was shot down. With 4 scum, I doubt it.In post 5743, MathBlade wrote:
This is why scum has to be in the hood Titus. You’re so closeIn post 5726, Titus wrote:
We have masons, an investigative and a vig. I'm leaning 5 because in most setup runs conftown would quickly outnumber scum. I'm wanting to check my work.In post 5725, VP Baltar wrote:
Looking at what has been revealed so far about town power, and if you assume Enchant is a town vig being RBed, then 4. More than that would seem OP for scum is my guess.In post 5723, Titus wrote:
Both. I'm thinking about what to do next.In post 5721, VP Baltar wrote:
Me? Or math?In post 5720, Titus wrote:How many bad guys do you think there are?ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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???In post 5745, tenebrousluminary wrote:Oh, so Galron is scum. Lol.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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No. The very argument you're making gets them limmed one by one.In post 5750, MathBlade wrote:That’s what I mean by “fake masons” btw. Theyd be masons in all but name.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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I'm not lock certain the hood is clear with 4 scum. With 5, I doubt it isn't but I got shot down for that. :/ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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He's referring to yeet, who isn't a full cop. It gets progressively weaker as the game goes on.In post 5754, Enchant wrote:
What copIn post 5748, MathBlade wrote:Disagree with my VP and Galron reads fine
But there’s no way in a 19 P game
Scum have 2 masons with unseen communication
4 players with unseen communication
And a cop
And a vig
That’s a never passing review.
So scum has to be in that hood.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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In post 5757, fireisredsir wrote:
dragons crumbing traitor y/yIn post 2669, Save The Dragons wrote:holy crap i thought i posted more in this game 22 posts wow i'm probably scum
mostly kidding but also kind of not
Quite possible. I didn't see that because I hadn't been looking.In post 5759, fireisredsir wrote:wiki says for a traitor to be normal, maf team knows a traitor exists but not who it is, and traitor knows who the maf team is
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Maybe there is a shot to lim scum today fire.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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If you're willing to see that VP is town, then VP might not be the automatic elimination. We're starting to talk about the game as a whole. It's a long shot but we have scum in my pool.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Me but their my scumpartners. If I had to pick one, Nero scum.
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I don't want Tene but I'd do tene over VP.
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The fact that the most of the game isn't really discussing half the lurkers aside from STD and a little about April's real life is uhhhShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Alright. Flip VP then. I need to be proven right in order for us to have a shot at winning.In post 5822, Nero Cain wrote:
i see we have entered the "joke" about VP being my scumbuddy stageIn post 5818, Titus wrote:Me but their my scumpartners.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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I'll hammer him if he gets in range.In post 5825, Nero Cain wrote:im trying. help me out here?ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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No but apparently he has mine...In post 5830, tenebrousluminary wrote:
Have you accepted Scorptown as your personal lord and savior?In post 5823, Titus wrote:The fact that the most of the game isn't really discussing half the lurkers aside from STD and a little about April's real life is uhhhShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Kinda how I feel. I almost feel like going troll and just posting in pictures. I was trying to avoid a long, drawn out fight today but....In post 5828, VP Baltar wrote:
I wish I could say I thought this would help you get some town cred tomorrow. I suspect this town will fight you regardless, even when you are right.In post 5824, Titus wrote:
Alright. Flip VP then. I need to be proven right in order for us to have a shot at winning.In post 5822, Nero Cain wrote:
i see we have entered the "joke" about VP being my scumbuddy stageIn post 5818, Titus wrote:Me but their my scumpartners.
Mod, can we get a prod on April?ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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No problem. I want to keep the game as fun as possible, even if we lose. The fact VP isn't having fun and wants out is a huge factor.In post 5827, Nero Cain wrote:thanks mama bearShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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VOTE: deasIn post 5835, fireisredsir wrote:
deas, cape maybe. i don't want nero, galron, std, tene, april. i don't think an eyes or scorp flip is going to be very useful here altho they could be scum. enchant will either shoot someone or die before endgame so that's not a good flip. frog, eh, idk, not really a fan of that wagon.In post 5813, VP Baltar wrote:@fire-pretty unlikely I am going to vote Titus. Where else is your head at that we can maybe talk about?
looking at that tho im running out of scum candidates so, hmm
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Why do you not want StD though?ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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It was a bit unnecessary and I like the humility of the bolded.In post 5839, MathBlade wrote:
Ironically when I have a vig I am normally really good.In post 5832, Enchant wrote:Vanilla Townie and two Mafia Goons walks in home of MathBlade.
MathBlade tells "Oh, i have 3 bullet as well!". And shots Townie 3 times.It’s the rare times on MS I am good as town.
Can we like not do this please?ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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I'd take any scumflip today. I understand looking for an optimal flip, but today's flip needs to be whatever scum we can get OR a slot that cannot live until elo.In post 5841, fireisredsir wrote:
i thought he was towny until i remembered the comment i brought up, but even if he is traitor that's prob not a great flip. and i still think he's more likely townIn post 5838, Titus wrote:Why do you not want StD though?ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Yes, that's why we need to discuss all possibilities.In post 5843, Enchant wrote:
I am opposite, i play badly always and play horrible as vig. Well you see.In post 5839, MathBlade wrote:
Ironically when I have a vig I am normally really good. It’s the rare times on MS I am good as town.In post 5832, Enchant wrote:Vanilla Townie and two Mafia Goons walks in home of MathBlade.
MathBlade tells "Oh, i have 3 bullet as well!". And shots Townie 3 times.
Can we like not do this please?
Either way, mistakes fine, i stop.
Imo, hard game we have there.
I have no idea whether the group thinks Scorpious is kissing up to me.
These are the type of things I need to assess to determine if I am agency captured myself.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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1/4 = 25%
3/11 = 27%ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Actually,
1/4 = 225%
3/9 =33% (removed myself and Mathblade)
Mod: I am voting Deas.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Math, here's the problem. I feel you're wrong but I don't want you and VP and elo because you'll just vote him and we'll lose.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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15. Four in hood. 11 out. The odds were the chances of hitting scum at random excluding Mathblade.In post 5851, Enchant wrote:Do we have just 11 people alive?
To be fair, if you exclude Galron, the random odds of hitting scum in and out of the hood become exactly even.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Correct, but shouldn't the odds be to the highest odds, even if we assume the scum in the hood.In post 5853, MathBlade wrote:Yes. That is factually correct.
However the entire game barring you thinks there is scum in the hood
AND
The odds of two places scum can never see of secret chat is absymally low
Even if assume kill masons N1 and N2
You’d have secret communication until Day 6 at best.
That’s just not feasible to pass review
Like if you insist, I'll vote VP solely because he and you cannot be in elo together.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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I don't have a strong scumread in the hood at all. I'd rather push higher odds of a flip with higher strength of scum.In post 5855, MathBlade wrote:
So then why are you continually trying to not elim in the hood?In post 5854, Titus wrote:
15. Four in hood. 11 out. The odds were the chances of hitting scum at random excluding Mathblade.In post 5851, Enchant wrote:Do we have just 11 people alive?
To be fair, if you exclude Galron, the random odds of hitting scum in and out of the hood become exactly even.
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I went over that cognitive disonnance. I'm not torpedoing it. I'm accepting that VP will likely be the lim. I'm just wanting to discuss everything, including the possibility of me being wrong or y'all being wrong. I'm willing to discuss any situation that's reasonably possible.In post 5860, MathBlade wrote:
I am doing what is the highest odds AND where every player in the game but you agreesIn post 5857, Titus wrote:
Correct, but shouldn't the odds be to the highest odds, even if we assume the scum in the hood.In post 5853, MathBlade wrote:Yes. That is factually correct.
However the entire game barring you thinks there is scum in the hood
AND
The odds of two places scum can never see of secret chat is absymally low
Even if assume kill masons N1 and N2
You’d have secret communication until Day 6 at best.
That’s just not feasible to pass review
Like if you insist, I'll vote VP solely because he and you cannot be in elo together.
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If that discussion is over, we should vote VP and end the day but it doesn't appear to be.
I already discussed my dissonance here.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Yes. It's Nero Galron VP Cape.In post 5864, Enchant wrote:Nero in hood with VP right?ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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I think it's real life for April. I don't see April willing ceding her social confession.In post 5865, fireisredsir wrote:some thoughts
1) i think it's really risky to not flip in the hood today. we might have a better chance at hitting scum if we flip someone like deas, but if he's town, we've gotten nowhere. and if the whole hood is alive at elo there's no shot we win tbh
2) i think if scum april hard pushes malc yday, she has a plan for today. if her plan was to disappear and let someone else lead, then i think she's partnered with someone else who is active and talkative and can lead instead (possibilities include VP, titus, maaaybe nero if VP is town, and if im thinking objectively, prob me)
3) there's no way the scumteam is all people who are lurking today
I understand one.
I agree scum aren't all lurking, but I mostly expect it.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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