yeet was one, and yes, he is dead. im sure it was bc of vp and has nothing to do with his role. dragons was at the time. galron was. april was louder than she is today and convinced people off him.
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acting like im sheeping nero when we both know i have more reasons than nero does is kinda :///In post 5424, VP Baltar wrote:Fire, if I flip town, will you stop sheeping Nero and listen to Titus?
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im pretty confident it's not. so if that's what you have to offer then i don't think you're that high value of an asset to town. i wasn't really planning to vote you today at first but i think that case was pretty off and i expect better from you if you're townIn post 5434, VP Baltar wrote:I'm a much higher value asset to town. If you're going to take a chance by repeating this bad wagon AGAIN today, which is very much what you're doing, you risk less by limming Nero first. When you're wrong and I flip green, you've burned someone who actually has the ability to see through the nonsense happening, and would have essentially been confirmed town with a Nero scum flip. I'm very confident my theory about D2 is close, if not correct.- fireisredsir
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it can also come from maf who think they were caught for the wrong reasonsIn post 5444, Titus wrote:@DV, Heated frustration = passion = lean town- fireisredsir
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ok VP if you're town help me out here
you say that if you flip town then i should work with titus and follow your theory. but i don't trust titus and don't think your theory is accurate. so. if im right on that, then you've left me with nothing useful. if you're town, help me out by considering what your reads would be if instead your theory is wrong and if titus is maf- fireisredsir
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answer this pls VP, i genuinely really really want to know what you think on this if you're town. i might need your flip in order to trust it but there's no downside to you. guaranteed i will carefully consider anything you say here so the more you analyze the betterIn post 5459, fireisredsir wrote:ok VP if you're town help me out here
you say that if you flip town then i should work with titus and follow your theory. but i don't trust titus and don't think your theory is accurate. so. if im right on that, then you've left me with nothing useful. if you're town, help me out by considering what your reads would be if instead your theory is wrong and if titus is maf
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people's read quality usually goes down when they're wagonedIn post 5485, VP Baltar wrote:Dude, why do you think you're more correct than me when I've been wagoned for 100 pages?
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i don't. that's why i think it's more likely that you're just mafIn post 5488, VP Baltar wrote:I'm not sure why you think I'm so bad at this game lol.- fireisredsir
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not that you're a bad player but that you haven't played to the standard i expected. i don't think you're right. close to right, maybe? could possibly be nero, but i think cape is more likely, and it could be frog.In post 5497, VP Baltar wrote:So you think I'm bad if I'm town here? I hope upon my flip you reconsider that I am probably just closer to right, and to not wagon people over personality
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he reads like town who was thinking independently, found a read, and is confident in his read and that reads like town nero to me. scum nero i think would be have a different approach, with more appealing to others, going with the flow, ok to lim a scummy looking town like wu rather than getting paranoid about it and pushing back on the people sheeping him. i also think he's right that you're maf so i have no reason to suspect him. if you flipped town i would be more sus of him, but the other reasons im leaning more town still applyIn post 5511, VP Baltar wrote:Why are you defending Nero all game? It does not make any sense. Your read does not make sense on his play. He has not done anything remotely town this game.- fireisredsir
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this is the only reason im hesitating tbh, she is playing like you're town. maybe it's all just a huge wifom "i would never do this as scum partners" but idkIn post 5523, VP Baltar wrote:Titus is correct on the play though. There is no planet where Titus and I are buddies. You could claim she is scum trying to score points on my flip, but that would require admission I'm not scum.- fireisredsir
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have less question marksIn post 5550, tenebrousluminary wrote:
Someone who's good at the economy help me budget thisIn post 5546, tenebrousluminary wrote:Frogsterking - scum?
Scorpious - town
Save The Dragons - town?
Nero Cain - town?
DeasVail - ?
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if eyes doesn't sheep me on titus (he should) then ill switch backIn post 5589, Nero Cain wrote:eyes prob votes me over VP so your vote effectively make me the leading wagon.
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the one where titus is maf and nero agrees with me that she is, and she positions herself to look good on your flip but only if you're townIn post 5600, VP Baltar wrote:
In what world are both Nero and I town? Highly unlikelyIn post 5597, fireisredsir wrote:titus is pushing for a vp flip over a Nero one despite the wagons being close at 5-4, probably bc both are town and she knows a vp flip will make her look better than a Nero one- fireisredsir
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dragons crumbing traitor y/yIn post 2669, Save The Dragons wrote:holy crap i thought i posted more in this game 22 posts wow i'm probably scum
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if titus is maf then she doesn't know who the traitor is. but if there is no groupscum in the hood she would probably assume the traitor is in there, i thinkIn post 5758, MathBlade wrote:Nah I don’t like how Titus keeps arguing 0 scum in the hood- fireisredsir
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we should not base any assumptions off of a random comment that might have just been a joke. buuut if we did, then april townIn post 5761, Titus wrote:If that's accurate, what does that tell us?- fireisredsir
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yea i was, i thought his stream of consciousness case on you was towny cause he does that all the time as town. but he's kinda been coasting on that and most of his posts after that feel either more constructed or they're just making small catchup comments and questions. like his posts make too much sense and he's just kinda floating around. thats scum capeIn post 5772, VP Baltar wrote:I think he reconsidered on me at a time when he could have easily just pushed me as scum.
Weren't you in the people who shouted me down when I was scum reading his wu hammer?
and i thought his reconsidering on you was actually kinda scummy, cause as someone who thought you were scum around the same time he did, I do not think you started looking more towny at the time he said you did. but maf wouldn't know that, they'd just see you posting a lot and figure you're probably making yourself obvtown.- fireisredsir
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if nero thinks your maf then i think he is playing just like how i would expect town nero to. from what ive read, town nero tbh isn't very high utility to town except that he has p good reads sometimes. but he just kinda sits there and yells that his reads are maf. he's independent and doesn't really work with people, and he is very stubborn and hard to move. but maf nero does work with people, he compromises, he tries to appeal, and he takes the easy mislims when he can.In post 5789, VP Baltar wrote:Ok, right. See that from my perspective in where I'm town, and you can see how I think he is not actually doing anything this game.
Who else is he truly pushing? What has he shown progression on in his thoughts toward the game? What utility has he provided to town?
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please, go onIn post 5796, Titus wrote:Maybe there is a shot to lim scum today fire.- fireisredsir
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not from games ive played mostly, i just read a lot of games and that's the sense i getIn post 5803, VP Baltar wrote:Is this first hand meta you have or you're going on what???- fireisredsir
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deas, cape maybe. i don't want nero, galron, std, tene, april. i don't think an eyes or scorp flip is going to be very useful here altho they could be scum. enchant will either shoot someone or die before endgame so that's not a good flip. frog, eh, idk, not really a fan of that wagon.In post 5813, VP Baltar wrote:@fire-pretty unlikely I am going to vote Titus. Where else is your head at that we can maybe talk about?
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i thought he was towny until i remembered the comment i brought up, but even if he is traitor that's prob not a great flip. and i still think he's more likely townIn post 5838, Titus wrote:Why do you not want StD though?- fireisredsir
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some thoughts
1) i think it's really risky to not flip in the hood today. we might have a better chance at hitting scum if we flip someone like deas, but if he's town, we've gotten nowhere. and if the whole hood is alive at elo there's no shot we win tbh
2) i think if scum april hard pushes malc yday, she has a plan for today. if her plan was to disappear and let someone else lead, then i think she's partnered with someone else who is active and talkative and can lead instead (possibilities include VP, titus, maaaybe nero if VP is town, and if im thinking objectively, prob me)
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bc i don't want the day to end yet, mostly. and you seem more willing to work things out todayIn post 5875, VP Baltar wrote:
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i don't think the lim is locked thereIn post 5886, Titus wrote:Fire, how do we get the lurkers to take a stance with the lim locked on VP/Nero?- fireisredsir
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yea i know. the two sudden wagons on him this game tho both look kinda sus to me. but he could still be scumIn post 5894, VP Baltar wrote:@fire - I just want you to realize that Frogster's only pushes this game have been Fua/Enchant, Yeet, Galron, and me.
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my suspicion of her is unrelated to my suspicion of you. i think she's looked a lot more sus than you for most of today and the end of yesterday, and if she is scum i think you're actually more likely to be town due to the way she is encouraging your lim while positioning herself to look good off a townflipIn post 5908, VP Baltar wrote: Ok, so very small wagons. I think your main deal is the titusiti slot, but I feel like the suspicion there is due a lot to scum!vp. There is a world where she and I are both town- fireisredsir
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can you link where he says this? i don't remember the contextIn post 5964, April Ludgate wrote:I didn't start thinking about this as a possibility until Frog brought up "VPB is trying to tie me together to him so after he flips, people will think I'm the partner." I have a question for everyone, did any of you guys think about the possibility of Frog and VPB as possible scum partners? Like I said, I didn't.- fireisredsir
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i wasn't saying he was playing poorly due to his reads. i was referring mostly to other reasons but we don't have to get into that again cause i think we're past thatIn post 5944, April Ludgate wrote:judge it based on the fact he's been pushed the entire time, not overall. that's fire holding too high of a standard that aren't able to be lived up to.
And none of VP's reads have flipped either, so that's also prejudging his reads. Don't love this post on an overall level, especially considering you stated it could possibly be Nero/Frog, two people he is pushing. Nero's been pushing him for a long time too.- fireisredsir
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so if in theory we later learn that someone who is scum was antagonizing the vig... do you think that it was likely a bus?In post 6005, April Ludgate wrote:This would also be horrendous scum play by me if I were scum antagonizing a town vig.
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like anyone who is town, I beg you, read through this progression and tell me that comes from town. this is scum titus who is BEGGING for a vp flip despite her saying that she will vote anyone else to save him and that she strongly townreads him. she even asked eyes, one of her strongest scumreads at the time, to vote with her on VP to end the day. how do y'all not see this
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