You should be if you are town.In post 5661, VP Baltar wrote:You think I'm trying to stop it?In post 5658, Nero Cain wrote:ok then flip town
Like right?
You should be if you are town.In post 5661, VP Baltar wrote:You think I'm trying to stop it?In post 5658, Nero Cain wrote:ok then flip town
you wouldn't lim in hood at all?In post 5603, Eyes without a face wrote:If my reads were perfect (hint: they're not) I would only lim between Scorpious, Datisi/Titus, tenebrousluminary, Frogsterking today.
Maybe I should make a stance now?
VOTE: Frogsterking
There you go.
Going with a person that you said that you would consider after you read my case on Eyes eh?
I am still downIn post 5610, Enchant wrote:Are scumreading eyes are not popular anymore and everyone sheep instead...
Gonna be honest and I think that the opposite applies there but aightIn post 5617, Frogsterking wrote:I was getting discouraged after Yeet's flip that I wasn't contributing to the game but now that a bunch of sketch slots are trying to force a wagon on me I think I must be doing something right.
butIn post 5617, Frogsterking wrote:I was getting discouraged after Yeet's flip
Along with your townread on me earlier Frogster, wouldn't this also just point to me being town?In post 4722, Frogsterking wrote:In post 4455, VP Baltar wrote:VOTE: galron
front half of this wagon is good, back half is shifty, but this seems more likely to hit scum than Malcom flip.Here, VP flipped his read from a hard scumread on Cape to a hard townread on Cape, it's not consistent with VP's outted reads and is scum motivated.In post 4463, VP Baltar wrote:I think galron is more likely to flip scum based on his flaky play since coming into the game, and I don't think two scum in the hood, so that would make you town.In post 4461, Cape90 wrote:Front half? I am town now?In post 4455, VP Baltar wrote:front half of this wagon is good, back half is shifty, but this seems more likely to hit scum than Malcom flip.
So there wasn't anything in the post that made you say that?In post 4928, Nero Cain wrote:prob b/c my responses are in various posts in here. Have I done one big post for why VP is scum? no but I think if you read my posts one can understand why I think this is scum.In post 4923, Cape90 wrote:but I ask Nero why, have not received a response on that.
Insert circular argument hereIn post 5656, Nero Cain wrote:that's not a discredit, that's flat out accusing him of being scum that's pushing MLs
Why would that make meIn post 5747, Nero Cain wrote:dude keeps sniping @ me but is ignoring my comments and it sorta feels like he's just active lurking in this game. I felt like he's not scum b/c you are sorta buddying him in the hood. I know that Yeet said its not a clear inno but I'm putting maybe a little stock in it being an inno but you aren't flipping town so moot point.
It's because I amIn post 5767, fireisredsir wrote:VP i don't get why you decided cape is town
I would hardly call Dead/Titus apathetic LMAOIn post 4518, fireisredsir wrote:like all of galron/vp/malc town? then scum are probably inactive and apathetic lol. maybe like deas eyes cape titus or something, idkIn post 4516, Yeet wrote:fire can you reevaluate that world but with Galron as town and tell me what that looks like?
You see, you live in this narrow minded world to where something that could be perceived as arguably more scummy then what VP has done for... most of the game but you shrug it off because VP is just mafia to you and I am not.In post 5774, Nero Cain wrote:So scum is buddying you and I should think you are still scum? okIn post 5770, Cape90 wrote:Why would that make meIn post 5747, Nero Cain wrote:dude keeps sniping @ me but is ignoring my comments and it sorta feels like he's just active lurking in this game. I felt like he's not scum b/c you are sorta buddying him in the hood. I know that Yeet said its not a clear inno but I'm putting maybe a little stock in it being an inno but you aren't flipping town so moot point.notscum
My argument is that you haven't been weighing the options, you just have had 1 static suspicion on VP and the only reason you see me as town is because I'm not VP. You literally don't have a good reason to TR meIn post 5795, Nero Cain wrote:If your argument is that you are town that means that I am correctly reading you and VP so...are you actully arguing that I'm wrong and that you are scum?In post 5788, Cape90 wrote:I think you have the higher chance of flipping mafia just on the virtue of you kinda just seeming to underplay things
sigh. Math you are going to ruin the game for us, have fun.In post 6032, MathBlade wrote:Can we compromise on Cape? I really don’t wanna elim outside the hood.
I’d rather VP or Nero but Cape is possible
are you sure you are town masonIn post 6039, MathBlade wrote:The way I see today going is Cape Town
You were trying to appeal to me around day 2, it's pretty damn obvious.In post 5934, Nero Cain wrote:@ Titus or math or whomever
Frogsterking
Save The Dragons
Nero Cain
DeasVail
fireisredsir
tenebrousluminary
matblade
are the ones that are willing to vote out VP but I think Math wants Boon more than VP, so does STD. Fire will vote VP I think but wants titus? more
Scorpious-??? thinks I'm scum I guess
Titus-would vote me over VP even though I'm a town lean
Enchant-thinks I'm a better vote than VP for ??? reason
Galron-????
April Ludgate-said I was maybe scum yesterday for fence sitting
Cape90-thinks im scum b/c I think VP is the scum in the hood
Eyes without a face-thinks we are TvT, still town reading VP for posting a readslist with reasoning on p 24?
i don't really know why Scorp, Titus, Enchant, Cape or April are town reading VP
lmao.In post 5938, April Ludgate wrote:Yeah, Scorp is town for having this thought. I haven't thought about it long enough to be sure, but I had an itch over here as well.In post 5417, Scorpious wrote:And 1 of them is you..In post 5415, Cape90 wrote:Dude we should have like 4ish mafia left and we have got 0 deadIn post 5403, Scorpious wrote:nor Am I. Hopefully the big brains can take something out of pushing a VT..
Nice concerned townie post
VOTE: Cape
dude you just said it was preplanned just day 2 agoIn post 5999, VP Baltar wrote:His "case" on me from D2 was so stream of consciousness and poorly formed, I have a hard time seeing scum type that up and being like "yes, this is persuasive!"
Because you all will just go VP and me or me then VP then lose the gameIn post 6159, MathBlade wrote:And the reason you don’t want to elim in the hood is?In post 6153, Cape90 wrote:dude if the hood has 0 scum im retired
In post 5417, Scorpious wrote:And 1 of them is you..In post 5415, Cape90 wrote:Dude we should have like 4ish mafia left and we have got 0 deadIn post 5403, Scorpious wrote:nor Am I. Hopefully the big brains can take something out of pushing a VT..
Nice concerned townie post
VOTE: Cape
In post 5493, Scorpious wrote:UNVOTE:In post 5472, Titus wrote:Frogsterking - A few questions to me. Otherwise, no real contribution.
Scorpious - Random vote on Cake and wanting to die.
Save The Dragons - Sheep and leave.
DeasVail - FoS and then VLA
Eyes without a face - Prodded said nothing
April Ludgate - Included to be fair. No real push.
Cape90 - Barely here, but he arguably could be excluded.
A good bulk of your scum are in here.
I’m Sheeping Titus..
This is my lim pool
I just want to point out all this, I don't understand... this all just... happened
But like... okay? They also switched from this Nero vote to Malcolm later til Malc was hammered.In post 4064, Scorpious wrote:VOTE: Nero
Basics. Scum flooding the game to hide and make it impossible to case.
i expressed this read in neighborhood chat, but thought they looked okay today so kinda kept my mouth shut there, now I want to look againIn post 6192, fireisredsir wrote:yes... they have.... wait, do you think titus is maf? I'm confused nowIn post 6188, Cape90 wrote:Which is like ?? given the fact they have pocketed VP like this entire time.
In post 4024, Titus wrote:Using a quick view of the VCs, I would look at Datisi and fua closer. Not superb reasoning but developing reads on those two would give reads on the whole.
My current theory is that scum were sheeping people to punish controversy and just placing easy votes. While it's possible, it's rare for scum to be aggressive when they don't need to be.
Math's prior poster likely provoked a scum vote or two not because of his opinions but what he was saying. Such callousness would make me want to vote him out if he wasn't a mason.
Like this to me seemed a bit LMAIST and just making content just for the sake of itIn post 4025, Titus wrote:That moment when I FoS myself lol
In post 4015, Titus wrote:Tell me you think town's incompetent without saying town's incompetent.In post 3994, MathBlade wrote:Hi Titus and Galron
Titus the TLDR is D1 is a cluster f.
Town managed to push both masons at the same time and maybe a vig.
My mason partner died and I have a PoE of would like to elim and pushes have gone no where
For the past two IRL days I am not a hyperposter
I am kinda thinking either your slot is scum or we have power wolves
Because if you’re town no wagon got above 3 people on it that could be scum on all D1.
So help?
*typey type worky work stuffs*
The more April goes into professor mode, the more I want to yeet him.
Time to read to see if that's my mood.
In post 4026, Titus wrote:Nope. My gut says it's because you know April's town. Like why would you jump to him being tilted? Second, professor style tones are rarely tilted. If April was tilted, I'd expect more contempt from the words he's typing.In post 4023, Yeet wrote:What is wrong with my statement? Are you just saying this because you are a very facts and logic based player?In post 4020, Titus wrote:YuckIn post 4019, Yeet wrote:Sounds like you are tilted that you think I am playing “objectively worse” than you because I don’t write tons of logic and switch a lot, yet you’re the one getting wagoned
This read change also just felt really instantaneous on AprilIn post 4026, Titus wrote:Nope. My gut says it's because you know April's town. Like why would you jump to him being tilted? Second, professor style tones are rarely tilted. If April was tilted, I'd expect more contempt from the words he's typing.In post 4023, Yeet wrote:What is wrong with my statement? Are you just saying this because you are a very facts and logic based player?In post 4020, Titus wrote:YuckIn post 4019, Yeet wrote:Sounds like you are tilted that you think I am playing “objectively worse” than you because I don’t write tons of logic and switch a lot, yet you’re the one getting wagoned
I am going to ask this, if there is indeed a separate killer wouldn't they want to townside here anyways?In post 6203, Frogsterking wrote:GUYS LISTEN.
MASONS WERE OUTTED D1 AND A HARD INNO WAS CLAIMED D2. THERE IS A FLIPPED PSYCHOLOGIST. THE NIGHT KILLS COULD EASILY HAVE BEEN STACKED. THERE CAN BE A DAMN KILLER AND THEY ARE PROBABLY FLAKEY AND WANT VP ALIVE.
the problem with this argument is literally... we all have right? Like there are no flipped mafia right nowIn post 5182, Nero Cain wrote:then why have you killed more town then I have this game?
I just am wondering how VP goes from day 2 straight to thisIn post 5259, Titus wrote:VOTE: Nero
Not sure if this is scum. I'm voting here for the wagonomics and work with VP.
Join me VP?
In post 6051, Titus wrote:If they flip town, April is the last person who should be shot.
If VP flips scum, sure shoot April.
wat?In post 6052, Titus wrote:If VP or Cape flips town, the shot should be on the scum pushing those lims.
If VP or Cape flips town, the shot should be on April and suppose that I'm just batshit crazy.
don't know if you know this, but I have seen mafia consistently love being completely off wagon a good chunk of the timeIn post 6222, Nero Cain wrote:killing town=//=not haveing flipped mafiaIn post 6210, Cape90 wrote:the problem with this argument is literally... we all have right? Like there are no flipped mafia right nowIn post 5182, Nero Cain wrote:then why have you killed more town then I have this game?
In post 2436, the worst wrote:GeneralWu (10): tenebrousluminary, fireisredsir, Yeet, Save The Dragons, VP Baltar, humaneatingmonkey, Datisi, MathBlade, fua, Cape90^In post 4854, Mizzytastic wrote:MalcolmTucker (9): Eyes without a face, Yeet, April Ludgate, Scorpious, Galron, VP Baltar, Titus, fireisredsir, MathBlade
our town killers
vp, math, fire, titus have been on both town wagons.
This is a weird way of saying what I just saidIn post 6227, VP Baltar wrote:Notice he leaves yeet off
being pocketed in a game of mafia is pretty normal so I don't get how it's creepyIn post 5907, Titus wrote:Scorpious, while I like feeling like someone would vote scum, I'd like to know your actual stances rather than just sheeping me. It's rather creepy. Why do you feel I'm such strong town AND accurate?
Pretty sure that's not his only reasonIn post 6234, Nero Cain wrote:not my point. You were saying that we've all killed town and I was correcting you.In post 6230, Cape90 wrote:don't know if you know this, but I have seen mafia consistently love being completely off wagon a good chunk of the time
I mean, VP thinks my sole reason for scum reading him is that he was on both ML wagons. But most of what he says is laughable.
absolute genius who would have guessed thisIn post 5951, April Ludgate wrote:I think it's possible they are both town in a ScumCape world.
In post 5956, VP Baltar wrote:That's a bummer because you're incorrect, and you're also shooting the town in the foot if you're ditching me. If you do believe it is cape, I'd argue to kill Nero because he's pretty useless regardless. His reads are terrible, and he ups the noise to signal ratio significantly.In post 5951, April Ludgate wrote:I don't think I'll vote Nero before VPB.
It's also hard taking you seriously Nero when you also have said this
In post 4245, VP Baltar wrote:This is wildly inaccurate and cherry picked. My position in scum in the hood has always been that's more likely than not the case. I call you a village idiot because it is unlikely any scum would be so obviously wrong on things that are quite easy to fact check. As I just stated to you in the hood, I would like to stop having this same conversation with you repeatedly. I don't think it is productive and youve done more than your share to bloat this game.In post 4241, Nero Cain wrote:I think his language in the hood is kinda funky. He started out saying that "anyone reasonable would think there's scum here." but more recently has used "potential scum" and at one point said something like "because Nero thinks there's scum here." and it just feels like he's trying to straddle the fence between looking like he's uninformed and being informed idk.
(I shortened it to the points talking about Nero for the most part)In post 4862, VP Baltar wrote:Ok, so I spent a lot of time overnight reviewing the Galron wagon, the counter push onto me, and Malcom's elimination yesterday. I have shared this case with my hood already. Nero has called it garbage.
Given that both my wagon and Malcom's wagon were two town being pushed, I think the chaos of the Galron wagon and Yeet soft are highly likely to have thrown scum into a bit of confusion when they had a comfortable position of two town being run up.
I'm still thinking this through, so bear with me if this gets a little long winded. I'll put a tl;dr at the end.
The big takeaway here is that I think the scum team is probably Nero/Frogster/Dragons/????
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Phase 1: Galron wagon into Yeet soft
Meanwhile, Nero is calling galron scum, but not willing to join the wagon for some reason. 44534455[pos]4456[/post]4462
Yeet starts his soft in 4470 by saying "absolutely not on Galron." Nero pushes back. I pick up on the soft at the top of page 180, when Yeet says again he is "*staunchly opposed*" to Galron. 4475 The weirdness of the language was a dead giveaway that Yeet had some kind of info pointing to Galron town. We can see now from the NK that I was right.
Phase 2: The scramble
Nero starts to fight with Yeet a little bit. I perceive this as Nero getting annoyed at the galron interference coming from yeet that Nero!scum doesn't quite understand yet. 452945314532
Nero says he'd like to vote Galron over Malcom, even though Nero has supported Malom wagon a bit in the past. 4550 Weirdly in this post, he says he wants to see where Frogster, DV, Titus, and dragons put their votes. DV has already said he's not leaving me. Titus also voted me. That leaves Nero signaling Frogster and Dragons.
Nero votes galron in 4588, even though he doesn't really give much reason and in his next post, 4599, he says "there's still enough votes to vote Malcolm out."
Nero says in 4642 that even if Gal is town, it's no big deal if they are limmed.
Nero is the first person to publicly out Yeet's soft in 4665. I pressed him on this overnight and he did not have any explanation on the protown motivation for doing this. He said basically it was obvious scum probably knew...which isn't an answer to make it a point of public discussion. This is most likely a rolefishing attempt.
Nero comes in again at 4670 to call Gal scummy even though he knows about the Yeet soft. Frogster also reinforces this with 4672, but then frogster votes me in 4674.
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Phase 3: Damage control
It's my firm belief that these three realized they got in too deep here. I was actively bringing fire around to understanding Yeet is probably town here who has good reason to believe Galron is town. Fire has been a main person aligned with Nero/frog/tenebros against me. This is extremely bad for scum if I'm starting to have better dialogue with fire.
Nero comes in right after in 4729 to say "yeet doesn't have an inno on gal." Another stupid miscalculation, probably meant to sway cape or Titus, but it's a misread of the game state. Scum are flailing here and unsure what to do.
Then we get the usual crowd of Tene and Nero chiming in that I'm obviously the best lim for the day. 47604771
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TL;DR- Nero/dragons/Frogster all tried to use Math as cover to power through a Galron wagon yesterday, but misread the game state by missing Yeet's soft and by thinking they could still power the miselim through even after the soft was outted.
In post 4898, VP Baltar wrote:I feel like Nero's play is much shadier than Cape. He was kind of pushing all the wagons as possibilities D2.In post 4895, fireisredsir wrote:not necessarily, i think one scum could have gone for the play of pretending they didn't notice it. my pick for that would probably be cape but frog is also possible
Look at him today, he is trying to shade people on the Malcom wagon, even though he spent good chunks of yesterday promoting it. It's the same exact thing he did with Wu, except somehow even mote naked this time. He doesn't have a coherent suspect or team theory all game.
Pedit - I think cape should answer your Q for sure.
In post 4926, VP Baltar wrote:Your iso is full of you saying Malcom is a good possible lim, until it is happening, then you want nothing to do with itIn post 4924, Nero Cain wrote:Also, your argument that I was pushing Malcolm is bullshit.
Oh wow look at all that.In post 5186, VP Baltar wrote:You aren't scumhunting. Stated already, you aren't putting your vote out there.In post 5182, Nero Cain wrote:then why have you killed more town then I have this game?
What we know is you have gone after town, then backed off and try to shade people on the wagon.
You camp a vote on me because it is a safe space for you. I gave you a chance to flip me yesterday and look like shit. You couldn't even get that to happen when I was showing you my belly.
Why are you so ineffective at getting a wagon over if you're so town?
I've pointed out plenty of scummy behavior by you around the galron-yeet stuff and you have literally no response to it.
You're not taking any risks, so of course you have little to no dirt on your hands. You aren't pushing any lims for real.
I don't know what this was thenIn post 6241, Nero Cain wrote:Nero: VP think I'm scum reading him for X
cape: He has other reasons
????
yesIn post 6242, Nero Cain wrote:it's hard to take me seriously when I point out an objective fact? Yes or no has VP been on both town MLs?In post 6239, Cape90 wrote:It's also hard taking you seriously Nero when you also have said this
In post 6236, Cape90 wrote:Pretty sure that's not his only reasonIn post 6234, Nero Cain wrote:not my point. You were saying that we've all killed town and I was correcting you.In post 6230, Cape90 wrote:don't know if you know this, but I have seen mafia consistently love being completely off wagon a good chunk of the time
I mean, VP thinks my sole reason for scum reading him is that he was on both ML wagons. But most of what he says is laughable.
I wouldn't know what this was eitherIn post 6238, Nero Cain wrote:Are you even reading this thread?
You also said this when VP said like day 2 agoIn post 6234, Nero Cain wrote:VP thinks my sole reason for scum reading him is that he was on both ML wagons
In post 4246, VP Baltar wrote:Who are you trying to fool with this? Titus and galron most likely since they were not here I guess. I'm being run up because 'boo hoo vp is so mean and calling people scum with his so many misreps, etc,' but I'm also reserved and timid I guess?In post 4242, Nero Cain wrote:he was yelling and screaming for a Wu lim and now he's just kinda reserved.
Like I said, you are running a marketing campaign rather than actually scum hunting. You've wasted so much of the town's time today with a nonsense wagon on me, and you should do some self reflection if youre town, but you won't.
what exactly would I be defending here, why?In post 6255, Galron wrote:Spoiler:
Okay so I hate to quote the whole thing, but that sounds overly defensive. And I had a town read on cape. So all I can say is that they were going in a direction I wasn't expecting.
you know what, I... was misreading that. Carry onIn post 6258, Nero Cain wrote:I was saying that VP (probably) thinks the reason that I'm scum reading him b/c I think he's scum that was on both ML's. It had nothing to do with HIS reasons for voting ME.
and your counter was he has other reasons.
By the way, what direction from me were you expecting?In post 6255, Galron wrote:So all I can say is that they were going in a direction I wasn't expecting.
I know Titus was scumreading Baltar and said stuff along those linesIn post 6262, Nero Cain wrote:there's also other big one fmpov where in the hood he was telling you or Gal that the reason he was getting ran up is b/c "people didn't like his attitude." but like Fir and tene? were scumreading him for other things.
I am not, I was literally defending VP there against Nero with an argument Nero wasn't makingIn post 6267, Galron wrote:I really didn't get that you were feeling VPB over Nero. There was something in there that broke the connection.In post 6263, Cape90 wrote:By the way, what direction from me were you expecting?In post 6255, Galron wrote:So all I can say is that they were going in a direction I wasn't expecting.
sure, lets straight things out in the neighborhoodIn post 6269, Galron wrote:Okay. do you want me to switch to the hood for a sec so we can straighten this out or do you want to do it here? Makes no difference to me.In post 6268, Cape90 wrote:I am not, I was literally defending VP there against Nero with an argument Nero wasn't makingIn post 6267, Galron wrote:I really didn't get that you were feeling VPB over Nero. There was something in there that broke the connection.In post 6263, Cape90 wrote:By the way, what direction from me were you expecting?In post 6255, Galron wrote:So all I can say is that they were going in a direction I wasn't expecting.
Everybody makes unprompted readslists lmao. The arbitrary terms to divide people up in was to show more of how I feel since "light town" "null" idk, it felt to plain for my tired brain who kinda just made the list to get my worldview out there beforeIn post 6288, Scorpious wrote:Nothing like an unprompted read list with made up arbitrary terms to divide people into..
“Probably just mafia”? Smdh…
And only 2 slots as scum? After 7,000 posts? Nah..
before I slept.In post 6295, Cape90 wrote:Everybody makes unprompted readslists lmao. The arbitrary terms to divide people up in was to show more of how I feel since "light town" "null" idk, it felt to plain for my tired brain who kinda just made the list to get my worldview out there beforeIn post 6288, Scorpious wrote:Nothing like an unprompted read list with made up arbitrary terms to divide people into..
“Probably just mafia”? Smdh…
And only 2 slots as scum? After 7,000 posts? Nah..
you made a readslist too, you are just forcing out contentIn post 6293, tenebrousluminary wrote:So it's higher than 100% now? Impressive.
what are you talking about, I literally have Frogster and you in the same town categoryIn post 6297, VP Baltar wrote:Cape, you're not pocketing me are you?
i was reading through a previous scum game of mine and came with the conclusion ofIn post 6298, VP Baltar wrote:Do you try to pocket as scum?
^In post 6226, Cape90 wrote:okay I just got to the last leg of Titus' logs and have reached the opposite of a conclusion. Kind of a like a "why would scum do this?" type of thing flowing through my mind. Actually, it could be like, somewhat clear. This game would be something else if 1-2 scum were doing the defeatist march like Titus/VP
Okay, the only good frame of reference I have is a mash, so apologies.In post 6307, VP Baltar wrote:But that's a conscious decision of yours? Can you link the game and tell me who you tried to pocket in it?In post 6302, Cape90 wrote:i was reading through a previous scum game of mine and came with the conclusion ofIn post 6298, VP Baltar wrote:Do you try to pocket as scum?
Sometimes