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[Cape90]

ok then flip town

You think I'm trying to stop it?

You should be if you are town.

Like right?

[Cape90]

If my reads were perfect (hint: they're not) I would only lim between Scorpious, Datisi/Titus, tenebrousluminary, Frogsterking today.

Maybe I should make a stance now?

VOTE: Frogsterking

There you go.

you wouldn't lim in hood at all?

[Cape90]

VOTE: frogster

Will do this all day. Don't care.

Going with a person that you said that you would consider after you read my case on Eyes eh?

[Cape90]

Are scumreading eyes are not popular anymore and everyone sheep instead...

I am still down

[Cape90]

I was getting discouraged after Yeet's flip that I wasn't contributing to the game but now that a bunch of sketch slots are trying to force a wagon on me I think I must be doing something right.

Gonna be honest and I think that the opposite applies there but aight

[Cape90]

I was getting discouraged after Yeet's flip

but

why after

Yeet's

flip?

[Cape90]

VOTE: galron

front half of this wagon is good, back half is shifty, but this seems more likely to hit scum than Malcom flip.

front half of this wagon is good, back half is shifty, but this seems more likely to hit scum than Malcom flip.

Front half? I am town now?

I think galron is more likely to flip scum based on his flaky play since coming into the game, and I don't think two scum in the hood, so that would make you town.

Here, VP flipped his read from a hard scumread on Cape to a hard townread on Cape, it's not consistent with VP's outted reads and is scum motivated.

Along with your townread on me earlier Frogster, wouldn't this also just point to me being town?

[Cape90]

but I ask Nero why, have not received a response on that.

prob b/c my responses are in various posts in here. Have I done one big post for why VP is scum? no but I think if you read my posts one can understand why I think this is scum.

So there wasn't anything in the post that made you say that?

It was literally implied this was the case.

Oh and might I remind you that I literally did this yesterday and flipped my opinion?

[Cape90]

Know who else loves saying that to discredit people

mafia

that's not a discredit, that's flat out accusing him of being scum that's pushing MLs

Insert circular argument here

[Cape90]

cape

Why cape over galron?

dude keeps sniping @ me but is ignoring my comments and it sorta feels like he's just active lurking in this game. I felt like he's not scum b/c you are sorta buddying him in the hood. I know that Yeet said its not a clear inno but I'm putting maybe a little stock in it being an inno but you aren't flipping town so moot point.

Why would that make me

not

scum

[Cape90]

VP i don't get why you decided cape is town

It's because I am

[Cape90]

fire can you reevaluate that world but with Galron as town and tell me what that looks like?

like all of galron/vp/malc town? then scum are probably inactive and apathetic lol. maybe like deas eyes cape titus or something, idk

I would hardly call Dead/Titus apathetic LMAO

[Cape90]

cape

Why cape over galron?

dude keeps sniping @ me but is ignoring my comments and it sorta feels like he's just active lurking in this game. I felt like he's not scum b/c you are sorta buddying him in the hood. I know that Yeet said its not a clear inno but I'm putting maybe a little stock in it being an inno but you aren't flipping town so moot point.

Why would that make me

not

scum

So scum is buddying you and I should think you are still scum? ok

You see, you live in this narrow minded world to where something that could be perceived as arguably more scummy then what VP has done for... most of the game but you shrug it off because VP is just mafia to you and I am not.

I have had this thought for basically forever, but man if I was mafia this game would be so mega easy.

If you flip town Nero, I literally get like 2 clear mafia out of it.

If VP flips town, no not really.

I think you have the higher chance of flipping mafia just on the virtue of you kinda just seeming to underplay things

[Cape90]

I think you have the higher chance of flipping mafia just on the virtue of you kinda just seeming to underplay things

If your argument is that you are town that means that I am correctly reading you and VP so...are you actully arguing that I'm wrong and that you are scum?

My argument is that you haven't been weighing the options, you just have had 1 static suspicion on VP and the only reason you see me as town is because I'm not VP. You literally don't have a good reason to TR me

[Cape90]

Can we compromise on Cape? I really don’t wanna elim outside the hood.

I’d rather VP or Nero but Cape is possible

sigh. Math you are going to ruin the game for us, have fun.

Also, I don't like the Nero vote I am on right now tbh

UNVOTE: Nero Cain

Is it bad I want to not lim in the hood right now?

[Cape90]

The way I see today going is Cape Town

are you sure you are town mason

fucks sake

[Cape90]

@ Titus or math or whomever

Frogsterking
Save The Dragons
Nero Cain
DeasVail
fireisredsir
tenebrousluminary
matblade

are the ones that are willing to vote out VP but I think Math wants Boon more than VP, so does STD. Fire will vote VP I think but wants titus? more

Scorpious-??? thinks I'm scum I guess
Titus-would vote me over VP even though I'm a town lean
Enchant-thinks I'm a better vote than VP for ??? reason
Galron-????
April Ludgate-said I was maybe scum yesterday for fence sitting
Cape90-thinks im scum b/c I think VP is the scum in the hood
Eyes without a face-thinks we are TvT, still town reading VP for posting a readslist with reasoning on p 24?

i don't really know why Scorp, Titus, Enchant, Cape or April are town reading VP

You were trying to appeal to me around day 2, it's pretty damn obvious.

If only the game throwers can see neighborhood chat man

[Cape90]

We can decapitate Scoprious.

Not opposed.

nor Am I. Hopefully the big brains can take something out of pushing a VT..

Dude we should have like 4ish mafia left and we have got 0 dead

And 1 of them is you..

Nice concerned townie post

VOTE: Cape

Yeah, Scorp is town for having this thought. I haven't thought about it long enough to be sure, but I had an itch over here as well.

lmao.

That's all i have to say

[Cape90]

dude if the hood has 0 scum im retired

[Cape90]

His "case" on me from D2 was so stream of consciousness and poorly formed, I have a hard time seeing scum type that up and being like "yes, this is persuasive!"

dude you just said it was preplanned just day 2 ago

[Cape90]

you know what, let my lim go through, I think it confirms Nero as mafia becasue look who swapped to me.

Maf are desperate and it shows

[Cape90]

MathBlade, as a word of advice, you are never going to die as you are the poster child for mafia.

Good job this game

[Cape90]

dude if the hood has 0 scum im retired

And the reason you don’t want to elim in the hood is?

Because you all will just go VP and me or me then VP then lose the game

so no I don't wanna lim in the hood. It's really not that hard to scumread Nero given how stubborn he has been here and given that he hasn't been stubborn enough to actually not be loosey goosey on me

Like if Nero was town right he wouldn't be so hedgey with me all of the sudden when I start questioning him on why he has shielded me up to this point

Literally both VP and Nero has shielded me

Difference

VP actually has reasons beyond "well the other one is scum"

You all are making this actually hard because none of you want to win.

Another good reason to lim outside the hood is there are 3 mafia outside the hood and 1 in, and that's just me calling that shot, that isn't me actually knowing, I just think there is no way there is 2 scum in the hood FMPOV unless Galron is some funky role or whatever

[Cape90]

actually the swap to me was a lot less then I thought, I thought it was more of a bigger movement. I thought Titus was there, but no, they gone onto VP...

Which is like ?? given the fact they have pocketed VP like this entire time.

Nero voters have been odd VP voters have been sketch.

Can we talk about that Scorpius push on Nero for a second.

Dude Scorpius has like, the opposite of an agenda this game, quite literally for better or for worse.

But like Scorpius said they were going to like, sheep this list of reads and stuff without Nero on it (in fact they unvoted someone who was a part of this POE list thing)

a post later or so, they vote Nero

[Cape90]

We can decapitate Scoprious.

Not opposed.

nor Am I. Hopefully the big brains can take something out of pushing a VT..

Dude we should have like 4ish mafia left and we have got 0 dead

And 1 of them is you..

Nice concerned townie post

VOTE: Cape

Frogsterking - A few questions to me. Otherwise, no real contribution.
Scorpious - Random vote on Cake and wanting to die.
Save The Dragons - Sheep and leave.
DeasVail - FoS and then VLA
Eyes without a face - Prodded said nothing
April Ludgate - Included to be fair. No real push.
Cape90 - Barely here, but he arguably could be excluded.

A good bulk of your scum are in here.

UNVOTE:

I’m Sheeping Titus..

This is my lim pool

VOTE: Nero

I just want to point out all this, I don't understand... this all just... happened

I suppose there is this to sort of wrap my head around it all from like day 2 ago

VOTE: Nero

Basics. Scum flooding the game to hide and make it impossible to case.

But like... okay? They also switched from this Nero vote to Malcolm later til Malc was hammered.

So yeah, this is like, literally the opposite of an agenda and this is what gives me the whole ? about this slot.

April said that Scorpius' vote on me always comes from town, but how long did that last? 1 post

[Cape90]

Which is like ?? given the fact they have pocketed VP like this entire time.

yes... they have.... wait, do you think titus is maf? I'm confused now

i expressed this read in neighborhood chat, but thought they looked okay today so kinda kept my mouth shut there, now I want to look again

[Cape90]

Using a quick view of the VCs, I would look at Datisi and fua closer. Not superb reasoning but developing reads on those two would give reads on the whole.

My current theory is that scum were sheeping people to punish controversy and just placing easy votes. While it's possible, it's rare for scum to be aggressive when they don't need to be.

Math's prior poster likely provoked a scum vote or two not because of his opinions but what he was saying. Such callousness would make me want to vote him out if he wasn't a mason.

That moment when I FoS myself lol

Like this to me seemed a bit LMAIST and just making content just for the sake of it

[Cape90]

Hi Titus and Galron

Titus the TLDR is D1 is a cluster f.

Town managed to push both masons at the same time and maybe a vig.

My mason partner died and I have a PoE of would like to elim and pushes have gone no where
For the past two IRL days I am not a hyperposter

I am kinda thinking either your slot is scum or we have power wolves
Because if you’re town no wagon got above 3 people on it that could be scum on all D1.

So help?

*typey type worky work stuffs*

Tell me you think town's incompetent without saying town's incompetent.


The more April goes into professor mode, the more I want to yeet him.

Time to read to see if that's my mood.

Sounds like you are tilted that you think I am playing “objectively worse” than you because I don’t write tons of logic and switch a lot, yet you’re the one getting wagoned

Yuck

What is wrong with my statement? Are you just saying this because you are a very facts and logic based player?

Nope. My gut says it's because you know April's town. Like why would you jump to him being tilted? Second, professor style tones are rarely tilted. If April was tilted, I'd expect more contempt from the words he's typing.

Sounds like you are tilted that you think I am playing “objectively worse” than you because I don’t write tons of logic and switch a lot, yet you’re the one getting wagoned

Yuck

What is wrong with my statement? Are you just saying this because you are a very facts and logic based player?

Nope. My gut says it's because you know April's town. Like why would you jump to him being tilted? Second, professor style tones are rarely tilted. If April was tilted, I'd expect more contempt from the words he's typing.

This read change also just felt really instantaneous on April

[Cape90]

I also feel like Titus going with VP on a vote is strange given 4150, 4151, 4164, 4409, 4515, (then a very questionable Malcolm vote that comes out of almost nowhere, only thing I can find to back this up is... well 4515 the last post I linked) 4714, 4721 (just that? Literally Titus' sus just kinda fizzles out on VP), (now just shading Math for tunneling VP?) 5003, 5013 (... no not really?).

I am missing some piece of the jigsaw here aren't I?

[Cape90]

GUYS LISTEN.

MASONS WERE OUTTED D1 AND A HARD INNO WAS CLAIMED D2. THERE IS A FLIPPED PSYCHOLOGIST. THE NIGHT KILLS COULD EASILY HAVE BEEN STACKED. THERE CAN BE A DAMN KILLER AND THEY ARE PROBABLY FLAKEY AND WANT VP ALIVE.

I am going to ask this, if there is indeed a separate killer wouldn't they want to townside here anyways?

[Cape90]

then why have you killed more town then I have this game?

the problem with this argument is literally... we all have right? Like there are no flipped mafia right now

[Cape90]

VOTE: Nero

Not sure if this is scum. I'm voting here for the wagonomics and work with VP.

Join me VP?

I just am wondering how VP goes from day 2 straight to this

[Cape90]

If they flip town, April is the last person who should be shot.
If VP flips scum, sure shoot April.

If VP or Cape flips town, the shot should be on the scum pushing those lims.
If VP or Cape flips town, the shot should be on April and suppose that I'm just batshit crazy.

wat?

Only thing that is preventing me from hitting that vote button is IDK how scum!Titus works in either of scum!VP or scum!Nero's world

[Cape90]

okay I just got to the last leg of Titus' logs and have reached the opposite of a conclusion. Kind of a like a "why would scum do this?" type of thing flowing through my mind. Actually, it could be like, somewhat clear. This game would be something else if 1-2 scum were doing the defeatist march like Titus/VP

[Cape90]

then why have you killed more town then I have this game?

the problem with this argument is literally... we all have right? Like there are no flipped mafia right now

killing town=//=not haveing flipped mafia

GeneralWu (10): tenebrousluminary, fireisredsir, Yeet, Save The Dragons, VP Baltar, humaneatingmonkey, Datisi, MathBlade, fua, Cape90

MalcolmTucker (9): Eyes without a face, Yeet, April Ludgate, Scorpious, Galron, VP Baltar, Titus, fireisredsir, MathBlade

^
our town killers

vp, math, fire, titus have been on both town wagons.

don't know if you know this, but I have seen mafia consistently love being completely off wagon a good chunk of the time

[Cape90]

Notice he leaves yeet off

This is a weird way of saying what I just said

[Cape90]

Scorpious, while I like feeling like someone would vote scum, I'd like to know your actual stances rather than just sheeping me. It's rather creepy. Why do you feel I'm such strong town AND accurate?

being pocketed in a game of mafia is pretty normal so I don't get how it's creepy

[Cape90]

don't know if you know this, but I have seen mafia consistently love being completely off wagon a good chunk of the time

not my point. You were saying that we've all killed town and I was correcting you.

I mean, VP thinks my sole reason for scum reading him is that he was on both ML wagons. But most of what he says is laughable.

Pretty sure that's not his only reason

[Cape90]

I think it's possible they are both town in a ScumCape world.

absolute genius who would have guessed this

[Cape90]

I don't think I'll vote Nero before VPB.

That's a bummer because you're incorrect, and you're also shooting the town in the foot if you're ditching me. If you do believe it is cape, I'd argue to kill Nero because he's pretty useless regardless. His reads are terrible, and he ups the noise to signal ratio significantly.

^
has killed nothing but town

It's also hard taking you seriously Nero when you also have said this

[Cape90]

I think his language in the hood is kinda funky. He started out saying that "anyone reasonable would think there's scum here." but more recently has used "potential scum" and at one point said something like "because Nero thinks there's scum here." and it just feels like he's trying to straddle the fence between looking like he's uninformed and being informed idk.

This is wildly inaccurate and cherry picked. My position in scum in the hood has always been that's more likely than not the case. I call you a village idiot because it is unlikely any scum would be so obviously wrong on things that are quite easy to fact check. As I just stated to you in the hood, I would like to stop having this same conversation with you repeatedly. I don't think it is productive and youve done more than your share to bloat this game.

Ok, so I spent a lot of time overnight reviewing the Galron wagon, the counter push onto me, and Malcom's elimination yesterday. I have shared this case with my hood already. Nero has called it garbage.

Given that both my wagon and Malcom's wagon were two town being pushed, I think the chaos of the Galron wagon and Yeet soft are highly likely to have thrown scum into a bit of confusion when they had a comfortable position of two town being run up.

I'm still thinking this through, so bear with me if this gets a little long winded. I'll put a tl;dr at the end.

The big takeaway here is that I think the scum team is probably Nero/Frogster/Dragons/????

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Phase 1: Galron wagon into Yeet soft

Meanwhile, Nero is calling galron scum, but not willing to join the wagon for some reason. 44534455[pos]4456[/post]4462

Yeet starts his soft in 4470 by saying "absolutely not on Galron." Nero pushes back. I pick up on the soft at the top of page 180, when Yeet says again he is "*staunchly opposed*" to Galron. 4475 The weirdness of the language was a dead giveaway that Yeet had some kind of info pointing to Galron town. We can see now from the NK that I was right.

Phase 2: The scramble

Nero starts to fight with Yeet a little bit. I perceive this as Nero getting annoyed at the galron interference coming from yeet that Nero!scum doesn't quite understand yet. 452945314532

Nero says he'd like to vote Galron over Malcom, even though Nero has supported Malom wagon a bit in the past. 4550 Weirdly in this post, he says he wants to see where Frogster, DV, Titus, and dragons put their votes. DV has already said he's not leaving me. Titus also voted me. That leaves Nero signaling Frogster and Dragons.

Nero votes galron in 4588, even though he doesn't really give much reason and in his next post, 4599, he says "there's still enough votes to vote Malcolm out."

Nero says in 4642 that even if Gal is town, it's no big deal if they are limmed.

Nero is the first person to publicly out Yeet's soft in 4665. I pressed him on this overnight and he did not have any explanation on the protown motivation for doing this. He said basically it was obvious scum probably knew...which isn't an answer to make it a point of public discussion. This is most likely a rolefishing attempt.

Nero comes in again at 4670 to call Gal scummy even though he knows about the Yeet soft. Frogster also reinforces this with 4672, but then frogster votes me in 4674.

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Phase 3: Damage control

It's my firm belief that these three realized they got in too deep here. I was actively bringing fire around to understanding Yeet is probably town here who has good reason to believe Galron is town. Fire has been a main person aligned with Nero/frog/tenebros against me. This is extremely bad for scum if I'm starting to have better dialogue with fire.

Nero comes in right after in 4729 to say "yeet doesn't have an inno on gal." Another stupid miscalculation, probably meant to sway cape or Titus, but it's a misread of the game state. Scum are flailing here and unsure what to do.

Then we get the usual crowd of Tene and Nero chiming in that I'm obviously the best lim for the day. 47604771

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TL;DR

- Nero/dragons/Frogster all tried to use Math as cover to power through a Galron wagon yesterday, but misread the game state by missing Yeet's soft and by thinking they could still power the miselim through even after the soft was outted.

(I shortened it to the points talking about Nero for the most part)

not necessarily, i think one scum could have gone for the play of pretending they didn't notice it. my pick for that would probably be cape but frog is also possible

I feel like Nero's play is much shadier than Cape. He was kind of pushing all the wagons as possibilities D2.

Look at him today, he is trying to shade people on the Malcom wagon, even though he spent good chunks of yesterday promoting it. It's the same exact thing he did with Wu, except somehow even mote naked this time. He doesn't have a coherent suspect or team theory all game.

Pedit - I think cape should answer your Q for sure.

Also, your argument that I was pushing Malcolm is bullshit.

Your iso is full of you saying Malcom is a good possible lim, until it is happening, then you want nothing to do with it

then why have you killed more town then I have this game?

You aren't scumhunting. Stated already, you aren't putting your vote out there.

What we know is you have gone after town, then backed off and try to shade people on the wagon.

You camp a vote on me because it is a safe space for you. I gave you a chance to flip me yesterday and look like shit. You couldn't even get that to happen when I was showing you my belly.

Why are you so ineffective at getting a wagon over if you're so town?

I've pointed out plenty of scummy behavior by you around the galron-yeet stuff and you have literally no response to it.

You're not taking any risks, so of course you have little to no dirt on your hands. You aren't pushing any lims for real.

Oh wow look at all that.

Okay looking at it all closer, it was unfair for me to also say that you were only voting VP for very basic reasons or whatever, but like, wow I read now and it turns out, VP actually did give more arguments!

[Cape90]

Nero: VP think I'm scum reading him for X
cape: He has other reasons

????

I don't know what this was then

[Cape90]

It's also hard taking you seriously Nero when you also have said this

it's hard to take me seriously when I point out an objective fact? Yes or no has VP been on both town MLs?

yes

[Cape90]

don't know if you know this, but I have seen mafia consistently love being completely off wagon a good chunk of the time

not my point. You were saying that we've all killed town and I was correcting you.

I mean, VP thinks my sole reason for scum reading him is that he was on both ML wagons. But most of what he says is laughable.

Pretty sure that's not his only reason

Are you even reading this thread?

I wouldn't know what this was either

[Cape90]

VP thinks my sole reason for scum reading him is that he was on both ML wagons

You also said this when VP said like day 2 ago

he was yelling and screaming for a Wu lim and now he's just kinda reserved.

Who are you trying to fool with this? Titus and galron most likely since they were not here I guess. I'm being run up because 'boo hoo vp is so mean and calling people scum with his so many misreps, etc,' but I'm also reserved and timid I guess?

Like I said, you are running a marketing campaign rather than actually scum hunting. You've wasted so much of the town's time today with a nonsense wagon on me, and you should do some self reflection if youre town, but you won't.

[Cape90]

Spoiler:

I think his language in the hood is kinda funky. He started out saying that "anyone reasonable would think there's scum here." but more recently has used "potential scum" and at one point said something like "because Nero thinks there's scum here." and it just feels like he's trying to straddle the fence between looking like he's uninformed and being informed idk.

This is wildly inaccurate and cherry picked. My position in scum in the hood has always been that's more likely than not the case. I call you a village idiot because it is unlikely any scum would be so obviously wrong on things that are quite easy to fact check. As I just stated to you in the hood, I would like to stop having this same conversation with you repeatedly. I don't think it is productive and youve done more than your share to bloat this game.

Ok, so I spent a lot of time overnight reviewing the Galron wagon, the counter push onto me, and Malcom's elimination yesterday. I have shared this case with my hood already. Nero has called it garbage.

Given that both my wagon and Malcom's wagon were two town being pushed, I think the chaos of the Galron wagon and Yeet soft are highly likely to have thrown scum into a bit of confusion when they had a comfortable position of two town being run up.

I'm still thinking this through, so bear with me if this gets a little long winded. I'll put a tl;dr at the end.

The big takeaway here is that I think the scum team is probably Nero/Frogster/Dragons/????

---

Phase 1: Galron wagon into Yeet soft

Meanwhile, Nero is calling galron scum, but not willing to join the wagon for some reason. 44534455[pos]4456[/post]4462

Yeet starts his soft in 4470 by saying "absolutely not on Galron." Nero pushes back. I pick up on the soft at the top of page 180, when Yeet says again he is "*staunchly opposed*" to Galron. 4475 The weirdness of the language was a dead giveaway that Yeet had some kind of info pointing to Galron town. We can see now from the NK that I was right.

Phase 2: The scramble

Nero starts to fight with Yeet a little bit. I perceive this as Nero getting annoyed at the galron interference coming from yeet that Nero!scum doesn't quite understand yet. 452945314532

Nero says he'd like to vote Galron over Malcom, even though Nero has supported Malom wagon a bit in the past. 4550 Weirdly in this post, he says he wants to see where Frogster, DV, Titus, and dragons put their votes. DV has already said he's not leaving me. Titus also voted me. That leaves Nero signaling Frogster and Dragons.

Nero votes galron in 4588, even though he doesn't really give much reason and in his next post, 4599, he says "there's still enough votes to vote Malcolm out."

Nero says in 4642 that even if Gal is town, it's no big deal if they are limmed.

Nero is the first person to publicly out Yeet's soft in 4665. I pressed him on this overnight and he did not have any explanation on the protown motivation for doing this. He said basically it was obvious scum probably knew...which isn't an answer to make it a point of public discussion. This is most likely a rolefishing attempt.

Nero comes in again at 4670 to call Gal scummy even though he knows about the Yeet soft. Frogster also reinforces this with 4672, but then frogster votes me in 4674.

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Phase 3: Damage control

It's my firm belief that these three realized they got in too deep here. I was actively bringing fire around to understanding Yeet is probably town here who has good reason to believe Galron is town. Fire has been a main person aligned with Nero/frog/tenebros against me. This is extremely bad for scum if I'm starting to have better dialogue with fire.

Nero comes in right after in 4729 to say "yeet doesn't have an inno on gal." Another stupid miscalculation, probably meant to sway cape or Titus, but it's a misread of the game state. Scum are flailing here and unsure what to do.

Then we get the usual crowd of Tene and Nero chiming in that I'm obviously the best lim for the day. 47604771

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TL;DR

- Nero/dragons/Frogster all tried to use Math as cover to power through a Galron wagon yesterday, but misread the game state by missing Yeet's soft and by thinking they could still power the miselim through even after the soft was outted.

(I shortened it to the points talking about Nero for the most part)

not necessarily, i think one scum could have gone for the play of pretending they didn't notice it. my pick for that would probably be cape but frog is also possible

I feel like Nero's play is much shadier than Cape. He was kind of pushing all the wagons as possibilities D2.

Look at him today, he is trying to shade people on the Malcom wagon, even though he spent good chunks of yesterday promoting it. It's the same exact thing he did with Wu, except somehow even mote naked this time. He doesn't have a coherent suspect or team theory all game.

Pedit - I think cape should answer your Q for sure.

Also, your argument that I was pushing Malcolm is bullshit.

Your iso is full of you saying Malcom is a good possible lim, until it is happening, then you want nothing to do with it

then why have you killed more town then I have this game?

You aren't scumhunting. Stated already, you aren't putting your vote out there.

What we know is you have gone after town, then backed off and try to shade people on the wagon.

You camp a vote on me because it is a safe space for you. I gave you a chance to flip me yesterday and look like shit. You couldn't even get that to happen when I was showing you my belly.

Why are you so ineffective at getting a wagon over if you're so town?

I've pointed out plenty of scummy behavior by you around the galron-yeet stuff and you have literally no response to it.

You're not taking any risks, so of course you have little to no dirt on your hands. You aren't pushing any lims for real.

Oh wow look at all that.

Okay looking at it all closer, it was unfair for me to also say that you were only voting VP for very basic reasons or whatever, but like, wow I read now and it turns out, VP actually did give more arguments!

Okay so I hate to quote the whole thing, but that sounds overly defensive. And I had a town read on cape. So all I can say is that they were going in a direction I wasn't expecting.

what exactly would I be defending here, why?

[Cape90]

I was saying that VP (probably) thinks the reason that I'm scum reading him b/c I think he's scum that was on both ML's. It had nothing to do with HIS reasons for voting ME.

and your counter was he has other reasons.

you know what, I... was misreading that. Carry on

[Cape90]

So all I can say is that they were going in a direction I wasn't expecting.

By the way, what direction from me were you expecting?

[Cape90]

there's also other big one fmpov where in the hood he was telling you or Gal that the reason he was getting ran up is b/c "people didn't like his attitude." but like Fir and tene? were scumreading him for other things.

I know Titus was scumreading Baltar and said stuff along those lines

[Cape90]

So all I can say is that they were going in a direction I wasn't expecting.

By the way, what direction from me were you expecting?

I really didn't get that you were feeling VPB over Nero. There was something in there that broke the connection.

I am not, I was literally defending VP there against Nero with an argument Nero wasn't making

[Cape90]

Town:

MathBlade
fireisredsir

Probably just town:

VP
Frogsterking

Mech town?:

Galron

Looked like town but they haven't been on my mind at all tbh:

DeasVail

What?:

Scorpius
Titus

I hope you are real vig and honestly, you kinda fit with your town meta I think idk I have only played 1 game with you in it:

Enchant

Okay maybe:

teneborousluminary
Save The Dragons
Nero Cain

Probably just mafia:

Eyes
April Ludgate

VOTE: April Ludgate

Sources: I read the slot and oh my, just, their treatment of the Malcolm slot is the most mafia thing I have read today

[Cape90]

So all I can say is that they were going in a direction I wasn't expecting.

By the way, what direction from me were you expecting?

I really didn't get that you were feeling VPB over Nero. There was something in there that broke the connection.

I am not, I was literally defending VP there against Nero with an argument Nero wasn't making

Okay. do you want me to switch to the hood for a sec so we can straighten this out or do you want to do it here? Makes no difference to me.

sure, lets straight things out in the neighborhood

[Cape90]

Nothing like an unprompted read list with made up arbitrary terms to divide people into..

“Probably just mafia”? Smdh…

And only 2 slots as scum? After 7,000 posts? Nah..

Everybody makes unprompted readslists lmao. The arbitrary terms to divide people up in was to show more of how I feel since "light town" "null" idk, it felt to plain for my tired brain who kinda just made the list to get my worldview out there before

[Cape90]

Nothing like an unprompted read list with made up arbitrary terms to divide people into..

“Probably just mafia”? Smdh…

And only 2 slots as scum? After 7,000 posts? Nah..

Everybody makes unprompted readslists lmao. The arbitrary terms to divide people up in was to show more of how I feel since "light town" "null" idk, it felt to plain for my tired brain who kinda just made the list to get my worldview out there before

before I slept.

You know the tier above my hard mafia reads also contains who I think mafia are but to a lesser extent, like I don't think Save The Dragons is paired with April.

It really isn't that farfetched of a readslist like you think it is

[Cape90]

So it's higher than 100% now? Impressive.

you made a readslist too, you are just forcing out content

how do you respond flailing scum?

[Cape90]

Cape, you're not pocketing me are you?

what are you talking about, I literally have Frogster and you in the same town category

[Cape90]

Do you try to pocket as scum?

i was reading through a previous scum game of mine and came with the conclusion of

Sometimes

[Cape90]

okay I just got to the last leg of Titus' logs and have reached the opposite of a conclusion. Kind of a like a "why would scum do this?" type of thing flowing through my mind. Actually, it could be like, somewhat clear. This game would be something else if 1-2 scum were doing the defeatist march like Titus/VP

^

It's more of like a idk what to think of all their logs whether I should think what they are is really scummy or really towny, initially scummy, now as of present day, idk, I felt like I missed some context in my read through of them and I was kinda awaiting them to comment on my posts on them if they get around to it.

But it was more that then the oversimplified "null" which is kinda why I don't like saying null sometimes because it wasn't null exactly, just mixed, same with Scorp

[Cape90]

Do you try to pocket as scum?

i was reading through a previous scum game of mine and came with the conclusion of

Sometimes

But that's a conscious decision of yours? Can you link the game and tell me who you tried to pocket in it?

Okay, the only good frame of reference I have is a mash, so apologies.

In both of these games I am

Boston

(you can ISO that in the multi ISO tab, and just checking 1 person as in me Boston)

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... -Mish-Mash

around day 4 we broke into smaller groups so this is also part of the game and relevant.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... k-of-Spain

I would say, sorta pocketed Sagunto.

I don't spend a lot of time pocketing tbh

[Cape90]

Nothing like an unprompted read list with made up arbitrary terms to divide people into..

“Probably just mafia”? Smdh…

And only 2 slots as scum? After 7,000 posts? Nah..

Everybody makes unprompted readslists lmao. The arbitrary terms to divide people up in was to show more of how I feel since "light town" "null" idk, it felt to plain for my tired brain who kinda just made the list to get my worldview out there before

Everyone when asked will always say they are town.. What’s your point? I find the timing and presentation scummy. And in my experience from both sides leads me to feel your list as scummy. If it was someone else that did it. I’d find them scummy.

And yes, I get the idea of “tiers” but I just don’t like how you presented yours in such a - idk - hedgable type of way.

I see what you are saying here. I don't really know what to tell you except I could always explain slots you have questions about

[Cape90]

So it's higher than 100% now? Impressive.

you made a readslist too, you are just forcing out content

how do you respond flailing scum?

This post reads like you think I accused you of this. You may have me confused with someone else.

that was sarcasm

[Cape90]

oh my god we just lose because all neighbor town omegalol

[Cape90]

Meanwhile Galron the funky mafia neighbor that doesnt kill. Nor did Gal talk in our hood last night

[Cape90]

there's a very good chance all 3 of those are town shots so if you are town then maf team is doing us a favor lol

Kinda where I am at and I think still elim Titus

Wagon shoulda switched to Cape when I tried and scum blantantly overruled me while trying to make it my elim.

You should really reread the thread lol. I literally hammered just to get that day over with.

But if we eliminate me, we eliminate me. Just give me a few days to get my thoughts together.

I hate you because I was about to case April like literally 30 minutes after you hammered who I am less confident on since the Nero flip, but sorta still pretty confident on.

God Nero was openwolfing in the hood, they would have been the easiest push for me today

VOTE: April Ludgate

[Cape90]

Nero Cain (4): VP Baltar,

fireisredsir, Enchant, Scorpious

Let's talk about this one, since you 3 are the ones here.

Do you guys think this is a possible all 4 town on Nero wagon, especially considering a Nero wagon would have been a better misfade for scum than VPB who was just hanging on?

This likely means VPB was a better misfade for scum, meaning one of VPB's pushes were likely correct. VPB's pushes were Nero and Frog.

Frogster's comment saying people were gonna start pairing VPB/Frogster up was odd to me, and it's what really started to get me to feel that way. I read it wrong, but I think feeling the offness makes sense coming from FrogsterScum.

Now, that kind of defense feels eerily similar to a ScumKill on Nero, which had the potential to setup a Frogster/Cape 1v1, which means that the neighborhood could be all town.

I think Frogster has more scum equity than Cape.

Frogster/Enchant/Titus/DV

is my current solve. The further to the back, the less sure I am, but the front 2 feel pretty good for me.

pukes at another lame, boring, and lazy VC argument from April

[Cape90]

April said this in 3145

I think Tene's probably town. They're getting targeted by Malcolm for things that aren't really AI, but make them look bad. Whether that's coming from scumMalcom or townMalcolm really believing those things is the question, but it looks like Malcolm is just targeting a townie that isn't in a good spot right now, and calling them out when they've made an 'incorrect play' post.

Then like right after April voted Malcolm, April says this in 3152 which is ?

If Malcolm is scum, tene town, this is a happy to deflate off of tene post now that tene reads are in an acceptable place.

which makes like... a little sense given they also said in 3030

Note to self to check on this tene specimen's posts to see the amount of times that dismissive tonal has taken course this game, and what theyre in response to.

the thing that throws me off is the order that it's presented in April's ISO as 3030 is first, 3145 is second and 3152 is the last one and the last one almost sounds like a setup, a setup that is happening not to long after they just flat out townread Tene. Also a setup that legitimately went nowhere.

Given their readslist on 3489, perhaps I am just misinterpreting.

But like, wasn't April strongly townreading me like day 2 ago speaking of? (hint: they were just look at the readslist lmao, btw there are 2 of these with me as a top town check 3726) and now around day 3 til the present day, they have led the charge on me that felt pretty directionless

Oh, and kinda indirectly talking about their push on me, let's look at

a snippet of

April's post still on day 2: 3755

If Malcolm is town, eyes scum, then yeah, this is a great vote for Eyes because I'm gonna take the brunt of the damage from a misfade on Malcolm.

hmm interesting, well Malcolm did indeed flip green, what did I do day 3? I pushed on Eyes which fits into April's world they literally built.

Does April voting me then actually make sense the next day when I am pushing Eyes? Absolutely not.

But they "make it make sense" around the endish of day 2 citing that Eyes has "good vibes" in 4050

I'm really just feelin good vibes from yeet, eyes, and hell even Nero. I also think VPB and Tene are both town.


@Titus - I think DeasV and Fire likely have 1 scum in them, curious on your thoughts on those slots.

They sure don't explain this down the line or anything.

I think April and Eyes are obviously paired.

April shifts opinion on me around 4589 citing

Cape's gone down on my list a lot, for what it's worth. The Galron hop kinda put it over the edge further.

Okay so this was still day 2. April was so "tunneled" in on Malcolm that they were thinking that Galron was just a scum counterpush on Malcolm... you know the person that flipped town? Also Galron was being pushed by literal confirmed town? April lacks other logic on why Galron is town btw.

So obviously after Malcolm flipped town, this logic is obscure now, it doesn't hold.

But April never gives the townread back to me, because... they have an agenda, you guessed it. "Oh Galron is likely town because of the Yeet thing anyway" Not my point.

I have a good ol exercise for the town that is hopefully here.

ctrl + f MY NAME (cape) into the SECOND page of April's ISO and try to find how many times they actually DIRECTLY go after my content vs some voting hogwash or some partner association hogwash. Go!

[Cape90]

I didnt even go into how wolfy April's push on Malcolm was, also I thought they had really good scum equity with Nero because it just looked like they were setting up for VP to flip town so that April could go onto me.

I want to say a few other things
>Not w/w with Save the Dragons
>Not w/w with Scorpius (5940 felt like a pocket attempt, 5979 is defo not as confident on Scorpius as they let on, now huh)
>High w/w equity with Eyes for aforementioned reasons in wall post

[Cape90]

UNVOTE: Titus

Agh. I hope I'm not all flipped up again. I can't do what I did to VPB last day phase. I had him correct as town, and I still turned. I think the same thing is happening with Titus. In my heart, I feel they are town.


Is ScumFire in my head? Is this what's happening this game?

VOTE: Frogster

more like you remembered that pushing Titus would be actually be against 5979 and really suspicious coming from you.

How did you even come to side of pushing Titus when they were legitimately top town to you not to long ago?

[Cape90]

I think Frogster is scum more times out of 10 than Cape is.

I don’t. Cape to me is lock scum
Titus defended lock scum.

Cape > Frogger

VP defended lock scum

VP is lock scum

this is the best logic on this website surely

[Cape90]

MathBlade stop playing for the mafia team, plz and thanks.

Galron might just be super scared of my case on April, IDK why they killed Nero

[Cape90]

I think Frogster is scum more times out of 10 than Cape is.

but April, I am outed due to voting patterns.

You said that

You are making the same argument for Frogster.

Your not very good at hiding your hypocrisy are you?

[Cape90]

I think Cape vs April is getting set up, but I don't know if it's coming from a Cape play to protect his pocket or a VPB play through Cape.

Set up by.... literally just like... me?

[Cape90]

Malcolm hasnt hopped onto the VPB wagon, and VPB has shied away from Malcolm.

You literally said VPB was town like 10-20 posts before this post

[Cape90]

Cape, Tene, can we vote in my scumreads please?

I know if you Tene, April, Enchant and Cape all agree that I'm town then it would be hard to drive through my elimination.

However if we do fight this, then we hopefully would agree on someone. I don't really want April/Fire eliminations

I'm not voting frogster, don't feel good leaning there yet. Not with how they played near the elim of VPBaltar

[Cape90]

I’ve had to actively choose to not be consistent as scum on occasion.

Town i just say whatever nonsense comes to my head, even if it doesn’t make sense

You are not being consistent

[Cape90]

this especially makes sense if scum had townreads on nero

Scum literally cant have scumreads on Nero. They can see him as a threat. Killing Nero actually feels like a misplay to me because they were pushing Me 10 out of 10 times here so idk.
It would really make sense to keep him alive unless they just knew about his modifier somehow which is the only thing I can think of

[Cape90]

this especially makes sense if scum had townreads on nero

Scum literally cant have scumreads on Nero. They can see him as a threat. Killing Nero actually feels like a misplay to me because they were pushing Me 10 out of 10 times here so idk.
It would really make sense to keep him alive unless they just knew about his modifier somehow which is the only thing I can think of

Townreads on Nero

[Cape90]

Here’s the thing, I’m one of the only people actively stating that I think the neighborhood is all town, and Cape is posting annoyed that people think there has to be scum in the neighborhood, yet doesn’t trust the main person who says that.

But like

There are 2 masons

This doesn't make sense

[Cape90]

April, which one is it btw town indictive or scum indictive, I really don't know because it isnt clear

[Cape90]

Idk, would Cape chainsaw this hard as scum with Frog?

Cape/Frog were circling VPB, so possible.

I also had brought up thinking Cape was townie based on their push from me.


Here’s the thing, I’m one of the only people actively stating that I think the neighborhood is all town, and Cape is posting annoyed that people think there has to be scum in the neighborhood, yet doesn’t trust the main person who says that.

I think the Cape push onto April might be scumIndicative because they think they can win the 1v1. It’s possible. I’m not in the best position, but Cape pushing me weakens my push on Frogger as well.

I think I might have 2 scum on me.

Frog/Cape/Tene lines up somewhere in my general back and forth, even if I had been replacing them in and out.

Like this post is contradiction city and I dunno how to feel.

If you think all the neighborhood is town, then I am town.

If my push on you is scum indicative, that makes me not town.

But like, you just said that you didn't think I do this as mafia

[Cape90]

Frog/Tene/Cape/Titus…?

Titus in this world is confusing to me because they have been pro-killing Frogster. They have been for it today. They I 82% think are on Frogster right now

[Cape90]

Tene, what motivated you to vote April?

[Cape90]

I think you just don’t understand the way my mind works, which is totally fair, I’m insane, but if you really try to look into what I’m saying, i feel it should at least see that i believe what I’m saying, if that makes sense.

I don’t feel like I’m really pushing any scum agenda. I was wrong on Malcolm, and I paranoid switched with VPB.

I see. Look I ain't a mind reader, I cant just interpolate what you are thinking between posts and from what I have seen, you seem pretty stream of conscious. One of my main gripes actually comes day 3 when you were putting VPB as your main scumread but pushing me. It just felt like you knew VPB was going through and you wanted to set me up for today

[Cape90]

Only thing that is preventing me from hitting that vote button is IDK how scum!Titus works in either of scum!VP or scum!Nero's world

like hey guess what we're not in a scum!VP or a scum!Nero world

so what's stopping you now

VOTE: Titus

Titus did a similar thing to VPB the other day.

But like. You know, I don't like the swap off me they did.

[Cape90]

I think you just don’t understand the way my mind works, which is totally fair, I’m insane, but if you really try to look into what I’m saying, i feel it should at least see that i believe what I’m saying, if that makes sense.

I don’t feel like I’m really pushing any scum agenda. I was wrong on Malcolm, and I paranoid switched with VPB.

I see. Look I ain't a mind reader, I cant just interpolate what you are thinking between posts and from what I have seen, you seem pretty stream of conscious. One of my main gripes actually comes day 3 when you were putting VPB as your main scumread but pushing me. It just felt like you knew VPB was going through and you wanted to set me up for today

I haven't been pushing you today

Yeah, and that just has me more confused on you

[Cape90]

Curious. I had planned my first post to be quoting Titus' role PM and voting Enchant.

given Titus could roleblock people, I bet scum were roleblocking Enchant which is why they didn't die earlier

[Cape90]

6904

Really frogster? fire? The "I don't know April's alignment" comment thing felt big forced.

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Scorpius,

You said 6934 over here yeah?

what do you think about the EoD VC 6841 ?

April was the only other one on Frogster when Titus got self-hammered last day

[Cape90]

Very occasionally it is correct to play out the broken ladder. In this game Lee Sedol (probably the best player of his generation) forces white to play out the broken ladder to capture all the white stones in the bottom right. It is a famous game because playing out a ladder is so uncommon, especially a broken one.

---

Official Votecount 4.2

Titus (3): Scorpious, fireisredsir, MathBlade

[E-4]

Frogsterking (2): April Ludgate, Titus
Save The Dragons (1): Enchant

Not Voting (7): Frogsterking, Save The Dragons, DeasVail, Galron, Eyes without a face, tenebrousluminary, Cape90

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 4 will end in (expired on 2022-03-31 17:30:00).

click here for joined mod iso.

on that VC subject, I see an interesting

[Cape90]

There are rare situations such as the triple ko bellow that the normal ko rule cannot resolve. Many modern rule sets have

superko

rules that seek to resolve this by disallowing moves that return the board to any previous state but the details of those aren't important the vast majority of the time.

---

Official Votecount 1.7

Datisi (4): skitter30, Yeet, humaneatingmonkey, Nordom

[E-6]

Nordom (4): DeasVail, Nero Cain, Datisi, tenebrousluminary

[E-6]

humaneatingmonkey (2): Aristeia, Cape90
fua (1): VP Baltar
Aristeia (1): Save The Dragons
Yeet (1): Frogsterking
GeneralWu (1): fua

Not Voting (5): Scorpious, MalcolmTucker, fireisredsir, Eyes without a face, GeneralWu

With 19 players alive, it takes 10 votes to achieve an eliminaton.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2022-03-12 05:15:00).

click here for joined mod iso.

is this what the all town hood looks like

[Cape90]

6904

Really frogster? fire? The "I don't know April's alignment" comment thing felt big forced.

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Scorpius,

You said 6934 over here yeah?

what do you think about the EoD VC 6841 ?

April was the only other one on Frogster when Titus got self-hammered last day

My spicy theory was that everything was a planned bus

A scum was going down no matter what yesterday

April Frogger Titus was all just spicy theatre. Titus was always the loser being out of shots

She just didn’t expect it so fast

Actually looking, I could actually buy that

fire is a bit town based on VC
Scorpius is mega town based on VC

I think Frogster/April/Eyes really could be endgame

[Cape90]

skitter would def be willing to early push datisi if they were maf together imo, i don't think that's really very AI for her

maybe, but I think Galron has been fine when they are here, I don't want to push today tbh.

I just felt like looking at VCs because it's late and im tired lol and we actually have a wolf flip to go off of

finally

[Cape90]

fire is a bit town based on VC

I thought fire looked worse based on votes

where?

I think fire has good and towny content anyways

I kinda wanna flip eyes.

I would flip April before you.

I saw this post about why you thought Scorpius was not mafia, I didn't think as mafia, you would want to narrow your POE quite so much like that.

[Cape90]

My worlds right now look something like Dragons/Cape or April/Galron? I'm not sure Frog fits into either of those neatly.

But I probably shouldn't try to hero-solve it.

Given your wall on Datisi that I was reading, I really don't know how Galron fits in with your suspicions list here

[Cape90]

VOTE: Eyes Without A Face

I could see Save the Dragons as mafia. Which would make April town

With this I see no such clearing partner associations for Eyes.

[Cape90]

My worlds right now look something like Dragons/Cape or April/Galron? I'm not sure Frog fits into either of those neatly.

But I probably shouldn't try to hero-solve it.

Given your wall on Datisi that I was reading, I really don't know how Galron fits in with your suspicions list here

Cape, if you're town, which of STD/Tene are scum?

I would say STD definitely actually

[Cape90]

My worlds right now look something like Dragons/Cape or April/Galron? I'm not sure Frog fits into either of those neatly.

But I probably shouldn't try to hero-solve it.

Given your wall on Datisi that I was reading, I really don't know how Galron fits in with your suspicions list here

Cape, if you're town, which of STD/Tene are scum?

I would say STD definitely actually

I would like that to be true for my own sanity of hopping into the game, and I just picked the wrong one of my 2 initial scum reads in Malcolm/STD.

I feel like I've been just slightly off all game, and Titus pocket made me more sure of it.

@Fire - This was another odd move by Cape if Cape is scum. Just like when Cape came after me that one day phase that just felt really dangerous as scum. Could you see Frog/Eyes/STD?

How is it an odd move.

I don't get this thought

[Cape90]

VOTE: Save the Dragons

Eh sure they haven't been towny recently

[Cape90]

VOTE: April Ludgate

Never mind they didn't do anything when followed

[Cape90]

what does that even mean

I think you were towny like day 2 but after that energy kinda fell off tbh

[Cape90]

Also, to believe I’m scum, you’d have to believe I, the master claimer, pigeonholed myself into a VT claim as scum.

Anywhosies, yeah, idk where my thoughts on Eyes are.

Cape backtracked so it contradicted my reasonings for town reading him.

you know, I was forgetting that Save wasn't just town off the check on them by the 4-shot follower.

Kinda back and forth on them but feel like they haven't been all that towny recently.

[Cape90]

UNVOTE: April Ludgate

This is just town isn't it

[Cape90]

I just checked and I still have no idea how Frogster is a prime suspect.

They have literally been going back and forth on fireisred in probably the most town!hedgy way I have seen

Maybe like hedgy isn't the correct terminology, however

Frogster's fireisred treatment:

6904
6968
6977
6991
7000
7001
7005

I genuinely have not a clue what Frogster is doing if Frogster is indeed mafia here

[Cape90]

cape i do not understand who you think is scum. you keep going in a direction and then being like "ehh this person is prob town"

who do you think is most likely to be scum right now

I would say like, in the watcher list, like 2 of those could be scum right there, some of the no results have me a bit confused. I am thinking Save/Deas as 2 and who knows who the 3rd could be

[Cape90]

Hey Cape, I know you've been fairly suspicious of Scorpious throughout the game. Why not push them here?

Some of the things they have done I cannot help but townread. They aren't off the table, but I don't think I would want Scorp today. Feel like Scorp's pushes have had a certain drive to them

[Cape90]

Hey Cape, I know you've been fairly suspicious of Scorpious throughout the game. Why not push them here?

It would be a waste of time, I’m not entertaining any pushes.

I have my solve and cape is not scum, and I’m still VT..

it was addressed at me and not you.

Also why do you townread me?

[Cape90]

Hey Cape, I know you've been fairly suspicious of Scorpious throughout the game. Why not push them here?

It would be a waste of time, I’m not entertaining any pushes.

I have my solve and cape is not scum, and I’m still VT..

Yeah, stepping away, there are definitely solves where Cape is town.

I think the most clearing red flip for me claimed watcher so

Not really sure which solves are left that really would prove so

[Cape90]

I'm feeling quite ill and I don't trust my brain right now so I'll let the worst handle vote counts

Feel better soon!

[Cape90]

i don't think you should expect a coherent plan from scum frog

Why not?

Also the all caps thing at the end of VP Baltar day kinda also doesnt make a lot of sense to me

[Cape90]

Okay following 163 I feel compelled to share wu is a townlean for me unironically.

Well folks, I think my work here is done.

Frogster, given you were on Yeet by the end of the day on day 1, was this TR a thing the whole time?

[Cape90]

Malcolm if Yeet isn't your top townread by the end of D1 would you be willing to compromise on them to meet the deadline?

This to me seems like a really strange question

[Cape90]

IMO this is a policy lim and Math and Ari are most likely TvT.

Ari is the April slot.

Given 7000 I assume the read doesn't hold

However now Frogster, you are pushing fire, but recently unvoted them again. You put April in townleans at 5703.

What are your opinions on April right now.

[Cape90]

VOTE: frogsterking for making the first thread of serious conversation in this game be a really dumb one

42 fireisred trying to shut down scumhunting during start of day noted

Since your scumread on fire, have you looked back on this?

[Cape90]

Unfortunately I don't think it's AI in fact I think the clashing and the recurring wagons indicate the slot is town.

That's too bad because I really like the composition of the wagon on luminary.

@luminary

Are you being evasive and passive aggressive and stuff? That will destroy any teamwork potential we have.

Any thoughts on luminary really beyond this point?

I mean in your readslist you made a lil while back, you had tene in townleans, while you had fire in town. Change occur?

[Cape90]

my gut says frog, but based on titus play i agree cape makes sense.

i hope that wasn't intentionally set up by her, but it's hard to make that call

and chances are, it's both of them anyway

VOTE: Cape

okay lmao

If you were asking why I gone on Titus on Titus day, it really isn't that hard to see when you look at my posts from aforementioned previous day

6199, 6201, 6206.

See what you gotta do, you gotta add it up

[Cape90]

VOTE: fireisredsir

it really is just this isn't it.

Worse part is I don't really have that good of a reason, they just give me deepwolf vibes, also why was fire referencing VP's meta legit after they are 10 feet underground dude?

Okay not exactly on the VP subject but the frog subject, there is 7255 then a post later fire unvotes 7258 then they say 7264 which sounds like a good reason to stay on Frogster, however, 7276 they just kinda say this about it, then fire votes me

Also setting up the tene world thing is like lol, I don't think tene is ever mafia here, you can't convince me of that

[Cape90]

im not really interested in looking at april/deas/std right now. i might tomorrow but i don't think any of them were aligned with titus based on the way she played and they way they have played

Talk to me about Deas, also I find it absolutely hilarious that you are seriously considering my harsh words toward Datisi to be w/w but for some reason 3067/3072 is enough?

Actually thanks for giving me motivation to look at Deas, I think Deas is mafia for kinda being in the background, also to me, I think they are trying to weasel town eliminations.

VOTE: DeasVail

(ps thx for voting my song as the top song in the last song contest lol)

[Cape90]

I’m okay doing Cape first then Froggy tomorrow

I am sure you are as long as you never go DeasVail, your scumbuddy. The only confident scum I actually have today, yes I know I have been all over the place in terms of votes

Anyways, since I am at E-2 should I claim? I am just asking because IDK if hardclaiming counts as something I shouldn't do since VPB never claimed their modifier thing

[Cape90]

anyway cape's 4861 and 6945 and now not knowing that VP claimed ascetic are just, like... is he even reading the thread?

oh they claimed?

Well, anyway I am literally just vanilla town neighbor.

No modifiers at all. Arguably better then ascetic XD.

Do with that what u will

[Cape90]

Cape, how did you get from 2379 2380 to 2713?

Cape, what changed since 6278 that has removed me from your lim pool? Also, what is your stance on Galron?

Could you expand on 6786?

==

How does 3407 3415 come from a partner, including the Datisi quotes?

Although it's true he flips his vote around somewhat often, I see a consistency to it. For instance,he has come back to Eyes like, 4 times.

I liked the VP -> Nero flip but not so much the Nero -> out of hood flip since I was liking his insistence on hood scum as it seemed to not benefit him.

6221 is almost too good to be true.

1. Wasn't a real SR on Yeet, I was just feeling sassy :p

2. Recent posting has been arguably the best out of everyone alive. So yeah, welcome to the not lim pool club.

3. 6205, 6208, 6250, 6272. I am not sure scum acts like they are conf!biasing themselves out like this and then tells everyone that vig should shoot them if VPB flips town. Literally makes no sense to me from a scum POV to do that, but I am willing to reconsider. I do want them to answer my questions I just threw at them.

4. Good question, is this really even directed at me or...?

5. I was not wrong about the Titus thing was I?

[Cape90]

if you want numbers id say like...

frog scum + cape scum: 40%
frog scum + cape town: 35%
frog town + cape scum: 20%
frog town + cape town: 5%

deas scum: 93%

wow those odds are pretty good unlike the odds here, now go deas or me and flip deas when i die if i die.

Also Frogster flipping red wouldn't make me reconsider this unlike something like fire, like fire is just town if Frogster flips red

[Cape90]

anyway cape's 4861 and 6945 and now not knowing that VP claimed ascetic are just, like... is he even reading the thread?

oh they claimed?

Well, anyway I am literally just vanilla town neighbor.

No modifiers at all. Arguably better then ascetic XD.

Do with that what u will

I asked you some questions, are you planning to answer them?

no

[Cape90]

Wanna bet Cape is scum with April?

interesting take. Honestly, April probably is just mafia here and I am big braining myself out of it since they have like negative consistency and are doubling down on that for being a reason they are obvtown

[Cape90]

also, Math, after you scumside and flip me as vanilla town neighbor, could you go deas?

I wanna elab on that before I die. Also Math, there is a reason you are not dying, it's because you gonna lose us the game lmao and I feel good shading you constantly because you are not playing so well and are confbiasing yourself on your not so good worlds.

[Cape90]

DeasVail is mafia, here are some of the reasons I think this.

1. Deas' world of Cape/Scorp is actually not good. 7339 honestly seems like this/Frogster is possible.

2. 7408 is literally just classic scum quote and nobody is biting. It's literally just a discredit. I feel really good about my Deas push right now.

3. Recent hedginess on Frogsterking. Look at 7281, 7339, 7021.

4. Recent posting has been considerably worse then before.

5. I kinda read this 6403 and even in here, like look at the bottom, it's like Deas is setting up for me being mafia here (specifically the last part after the comma), it's almost obvious to me. Also the Scorpius segment is honestly funny and underbaked, and now Scorpius is top scum with me.

6. 6391, 6372 is gross. Oh and apparently Deas doesn't care about the hood in 5949 so why even have the VPB hard suspicion anyway? Obviously they were scumreading VPB before, it's obv with posts like 4303/4056.

7. Recent hedginess on Frogster contradicts 5706.

[Cape90]

Yeah, Cape’s been playing odd, and has done a lot of weird things if scum, but that might be by design.

I’m okay doing Cape first then Froggy tomorrow

Hmmm now she’s not okay with Cape first now that it is happening?

Similar to Titus

She said not VP.

I vote Cape

She votes VP.

This is blatant

I mean, even with my town flip, I would not call April town because there is more then just this which April has been flippy.

[Cape90]

DeasVail is mafia, here are some of the reasons I think this.

1. Deas' world of Cape/Scorp is actually not good. 7339 honestly seems like this/Frogster is possible.

2. 7408 is literally just classic scum quote and nobody is biting. It's literally just a discredit. I feel really good about my Deas push right now.

3. Recent hedginess on Frogsterking. Look at 7281, 7339, 7021.

4. Recent posting has been considerably worse then before.

5. I kinda read this 6403 and even in here, like look at the bottom, it's like Deas is setting up for me being mafia here (specifically the last part after the comma), it's almost obvious to me. Also the Scorpius segment is honestly funny and underbaked, and now Scorpius is top scum with me.

6. 6391, 6372 is gross. Oh and apparently Deas doesn't care about the hood in 5949 so why even have the VPB hard suspicion anyway? Obviously they were scumreading VPB before, it's obv with posts like 4303/4056.

7. Recent hedginess on Frogster contradicts 5706.

This post reads as if you decided you were going to scumread me and then went digging for reasons to justify it

you sure havent done better.

[Cape90]

VOTE: fireisredsir

Okay.

I really want to see what fire did around that.

They seemed to be overplaying today if any of that is real. I am calling bluff

[Cape90]

VOTE: Frogsterking

I looked and fire has played pretty around the claim. Pretty sure this has to be confirmed mafia from their POV. I think Galron is likely mafia then? IDK I found them mildly towny but kinda inactive

[Cape90]

april and std are like the least likely for me to want to add to that list. im not 100% sold on those 3 being the team tho so it may be someone outside of that, but I think for today those are the most likely

^

I have been specifically looking for save interactions that would make the claim look flase, but honestly, the interactions with them have been minimal all game, and I think this also makes me think the April check is real as well.

Actually huge

[Cape90]

Now Eyes' claim is awfully strong with all of this

I am on board with Frog/Eyes

[Cape90]

Deas is 100% mafia if fire is town

[Cape90]

Deas is 100% mafia if fire is town

*if fire is mafia

I need to not type so fast

[Cape90]

Please bring frog results tomorrow.

I think checking Frog is a waste when I flip town, I would check someone like fire or something, not sure if any of that would matter tho

[Cape90]

I would honestly prefer to eliminate Eyes today in order to confirm that the town power level makes any sort of sense whatsoever.

No.

If we confirmed power we’d flip Fire for innos.

I’d rather Cape though

nah they have softed their dragon inno for just about the entire game after day 1.

don't get fire when I flip town

[Cape90]

Please bring frog results tomorrow.

I think checking Frog is a waste when I flip town, I would check someone like fire or something, not sure if any of that would matter tho

don't worry i already checked myself and im clean

i meant tene.

For some reason I keep mixing you two up in my head XD

[Cape90]

VOTE: april Cape was townie by dayplay

what did galron tell you about the nightplay?

[Cape90]

galron is traitor
april is traitor

everyone is traitor!

[Cape90]

Its not cape..

Do you remember the time where you didn't like the things I was doing or did you just drop that for no reason?

[Cape90]

April scumreads Cape

werent you just?

Never mind

[Cape90]

eyes prefers frog strongly.

Not sure why they aren't voting Frog, then.

golly me I wonder why (it's becasue eyes is probably just mafia with some fake pr claim)

[Cape90]

eyes prefers frog strongly.

Not sure why they aren't voting Frog, then.

golly me I wonder why (it's becasue eyes is probably just mafia with some fake pr claim)

also this would strengthen the case for frog being mafia, so it makes sense to me

[Cape90]

The ONLY person that townreads cape is StD yet the main wagon is Frog because ????

also my literal neighbor townreads me but who cares amirite

[Cape90]

I am at E-1, do what yall will, I am still vanilla town neighbor, nothing special

A lot of possible scumteams with these PR claims which may resolve in time IDK

I would assume eyes is mega fake and fire is real.

Tene night be mafia like actually, but they have been playing well so idk

[Cape90]

deas prefers cape

.

math prefers cape

. april wants both. dragons prefers frog but doesn't really like either. i want both but slightly prefer frog.

might I just add that both of Math and Deas' suspicions on me have been actually weak, especially Deas.

Dude is hardly playing the game and will have us result in a loss

[Cape90]

Figured we had a mafia neighbor.

GG and congrats to the mafia team