Why aren't Frog and StD fish to fry?In post 6777, tenebrousluminary wrote:I think you may have misidentified me as an ally when I'm actually just someone who has bigger fish to fry.In post 6773, Titus wrote:Cape, Tene, can we vote in my scumreads please?
I know if you Tene, April, Enchant and Cape all agree that I'm town then it would be hard to drive through my elimination.
However if we do fight this, then we hopefully would agree on someone. I don't really want April/Fire eliminations
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Agreed. I want to see which of you is scum if any before moving there. You get one shot at April.In post 6786, fireisredsir wrote:april is a very big fish but also shouldn't be friedShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Do you think StD is viable? No one TRs him?In post 6787, April Ludgate wrote:So it’s Cape, Tene, and StD, eh?
Hmm.
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Possible. Scum are aware of my position and would be able to count on my vote.In post 6792, April Ludgate wrote:Idk, would Cape chainsaw this hard as scum with Frog?
Cape/Frog were circling VPB, so possible.
I also had brought up thinking Cape was townie based on their push from me.
Here’s the thing, I’m one of the only people actively stating that I think the neighborhood is all town, and Cape is posting annoyed that people think there has to be scum in the neighborhood, yet doesn’t trust the main person who says that.
I think the Cape push onto April might be scumIndicative because they think they can win the 1v1. It’s possible. I’m not in the best position, but Cape pushing me weakens my push on Frogger as well.
I think I might have 2 scum on me.
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Huh?In post 6817, Cape90 wrote:
VOTE: TitusIn post 6814, fireisredsir wrote:
like hey guess what we're not in a scum!VP or a scum!Nero worldIn post 6219, Cape90 wrote:Only thing that is preventing me from hitting that vote button is IDK how scum!Titus works in either of scum!VP or scum!Nero's world
so what's stopping you now
Titus did a similar thing to VPB the other day.
But like. You know, I don't like the swap off me they did.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Watch the game be StD, DV, Eyes and Scorpious and we're just murdering all the actives.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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I'll make you happen. In fact, I bet you'll flip soon after me. #wifom I will have some say from my grave, if town is smart.In post 6826, Save The Dragons wrote:
Stop trying to make fetch happenIn post 6790, Titus wrote:
Do you think StD is viable? No one TRs him?In post 6787, April Ludgate wrote:So it’s Cape, Tene, and StD, eh?
Hmm.
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Vote me. You don't have the stones.In post 6829, Save The Dragons wrote:How should I vote oh wise shepherdShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Hahaha.
VOTE: Titus
Now I don't have to deal with a Math controlled town. I feel for VP. Being powerless in a game is no fun.
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I wasn't going to make VP's mistake and trick myself into any possibility of being listened to.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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It was. In fact, StD should have been turbolimmed. I even coached Galron on it to take credit and people said no lol.
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This was a bad beat with a rare false inno. I think all you could have done is passively acknowledge your feelings once or twice but acknowledge Occam's Razor. Your reluctance to agree allowed much doubt to be cast on your thinking skills. Then your insistence on scum in the hood over hunting broadly didn't help. Sometimes use categories to find scum. But this was a bad beat on the inno. The thing I would take away on this is looking to see cooperation differently than you did while playing. Look back at the VP Baltar day knowing that I was frustrated and just wanted it to end given all 3 possible lims were town.In post 8074, MathBlade wrote:
Yeah short of me demanding Galron/Dwlee which I probably want April/Ari’s slots headIn post 8072, fireisredsir wrote:wp all! tough call at the end there, i don't think it was likely we were going to lim dwlee/galron. i would have gone with scorp as well (after frog, at least)
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He didn't. His soft and clear were inferred correctly if I recall. Maybe that could have given an out to deny the check existed and scum riding on happy circumstance even though the check was accurate.In post 8073, Nero Cain wrote:yeet prob should not have claimed d2ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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You're overestimating the clout you had. There was already a guilty on me.In post 8083, MathBlade wrote:
Tbh it’s my lack ofIn post 8082, VP Baltar wrote:gg scumbutts. Town's biggest mistake this game was stubbornness, and yall deserved the win given the setup.
Thanks for modding Mizzy and worst!
I should have just kept insisting on Galron but I was trying to be cooperative
Then not being allowed to cooperate made me insist on Titus
Then I should have used that clout to demand Galron.
I messed up by trying to be good town
I still think you have a ways to go in reading people cooperating with you and how you read lack of cooperation. Almost every wagon outside your approval was pn scum. Really look at that day in hindsight.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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+1, a huge flag that eyes was my partner was buried in the nose and chaos of a forced hood lim. While eliminating VP sucked, he had 2/3 of scum right and it protected eyes. That's when I decided I was unlikely to go deep and went to protection mode instead.In post 8089, VP Baltar wrote:
IDK, we could have had frogster very early in the game if people were willing to give up on pet theories. The neighborhood was also a disaster all the way around. I think we could have all benefited from listening more and talking less probably. Just my two cents.In post 8083, MathBlade wrote:
Tbh it’s my lack ofIn post 8082, VP Baltar wrote:gg scumbutts. Town's biggest mistake this game was stubbornness, and yall deserved the win given the setup.
Thanks for modding Mizzy and worst!
I should have just kept insisting on Galron but I was trying to be cooperative
Then not being allowed to cooperate made me insist on Titus
Then I should have used that clout to demand Galron.
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I don't think this was your problem. I think you just listened more to the town you liked this game, partially because they went where you wanted. If you flipped other scum, then you could have looked back and used it to chain Galron. Yet you were so demoralized on Galron because you viewed it as a now or never. My insistence on Occam's Razor as scum doing a clear should have put minor doubt on Galron. There was an undercurrent after you flipped. Still taking another tactic might not have worked. Who knows?In post 8092, MathBlade wrote:Yeah I am sorry I wasn’t more forcefulShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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This game had far too many chefs in the kitchen. Strong voices are fineIn post 8099, April Ludgate wrote:
I think a big issue was we just didn’t consider that the other of us could be right as well because you kept hard pushing me as being wrong when I was pushing scumFrog correctly the last 4 day phases.In post 8083, MathBlade wrote:
Tbh it’s my lack ofIn post 8082, VP Baltar wrote:gg scumbutts. Town's biggest mistake this game was stubbornness, and yall deserved the win given the setup.
Thanks for modding Mizzy and worst!
I should have just kept insisting on Galron but I was trying to be cooperative
Then not being allowed to cooperate made me insist on Titus
Then I should have used that clout to demand Galron.
I messed up by trying to be good townif they agree or know how to work with each other. We had VP, Nero, Math, Fire and April all essentially working different angles. A true cooperator never existed which is what let me get townread for so long. If I was actually effective at being a cooperator, we might have saved VP for another day or two.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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I don't think the mistake was how forceful you two were being but the fact you both seemed to exclude the possibility you were both right, thus leading you to know flips under "compromise". A true town cohesionist (lack of better word) tries to push forth or revise this possibility.In post 8100, April Ludgate wrote:
This is how I felt about Frogster.In post 8074, MathBlade wrote:
Yeah short of me demanding Galron/Dwlee which I probably want April/Ari’s slots headIn post 8072, fireisredsir wrote:wp all! tough call at the end there, i don't think it was likely we were going to lim dwlee/galron. i would have gone with scorp as well (after frog, at least)
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Correct. While this game had frustrating people, it wasn't toxic.In post 8104, Mizzytastic wrote:
I said it in the dead thread but for a game were a number of people felt like the atmosphere was getting quite toxic, you all were a pleasure to moderate for. I've seen way worse get called normal or baseline on this siteIn post 8090, VP Baltar wrote:
+1 would play with anyone in this game again.In post 8088, DeasVail wrote:Also just wanted to say that I enjoyed playing with a lot of people in this game, with particular shoutouts to Yeet, tenebrousluminary, Malcolm, cape90 and fireisred who I’d never played with before.
I’m sorry for the part I played in making it a more confusing game for town, but it was still fun because of all of you! Take care <3ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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I strongly disagree. Without false innos, scum was screwed. Every night, scum killed a clear by role. Day play hardly mattered as we get boxed in by this setup 9/10. Despite 5 scum, this should never get approved.In post 8105, April Ludgate wrote:I think it was slightly scum sided, but in a way that was pretty even.
Social influence > mechanical, bar hard inno possibilities.
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In fact, I suggest somewhat of scum apathy is driven by setups that are so townsided.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Yes. They're on wikis now generally.In post 8114, Flavor Leaf wrote:Do normal games have a standard for role PM’s nowadays?ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Mechanical reasons. We had too many conftown to shoot and couldn't afford a save.In post 8116, Nero Cain wrote:
I think it was a judgment call. The fact that he had 2 shots left makes me think he shouldn't have done it though I deff understand why he thought that it was a likely inno on Skitter/Galron and was maybe worried that he'd look bad @ claim time if he didn't speak up.In post 8095, fireisredsir wrote:i might just be very stingy with my claims, but i def would not have
no idea what is correct tho, and i understand doing it
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Overall, town had the forceful bit down. It was the social dynamics that got screwed. The five or six town leaders spoke so much that it bungled reading players like Scorpious tene and StD. Their opinions were largely not discussed which made them hard to read in elo.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Fwiw, I did not traitor read April and I was pretty much the only one on the scumteam that didn't.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Ok, there's maybeone thingMath could have harped on for Galron scum. He did mention it and it was right but it was meta so he discarded it. I deliberately gave Galron the mechanical elimination on StD that town discarded because Galron wasn't core vocal and active town.
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Galron is not the type of player to do mechanics. If Math had asked his meta players to check his work, then they might get a twofer but Math was accidentally demoralized and couldn't get that out of players like Math and fire.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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In post 6867, MathBlade wrote:Two shot lmao.
I am getting the feeling this was planned by Titus
You tunnel different
I think you’re scum but you’re a bad elim today.
If I had a vig I would shoot you
This clearly shows the effort Math put in. Definitely not going to say he didn't try. His efforts boxed me out some, despite him misreading my attempts to cooperate.In post 6881, MathBlade wrote:Who here wants to talk April? *puppy eyes*
Boon is a hard sort but I think they’re scum and want opinions
He was clearly using the thread as more of a notes PT and scatterbrained, which made it easier to defend.
After this point, the Galron thought was forgotten.
If Math, a) flips StD here or b) asks meta people to see this maybe, but not certainly, a different result occurs.
I still feel this game is great strides in town Math cooperating somewhat.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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A bit but that was lead by the tunnel vision on the assumption that there had to be scum in the hood. With Galron having the soft mech clear, forcing that assumption really hurt. There's also the general assumption that I don't FoS my allies for an extended period of time which did buy a hint of defense for Frogster. Overall, the town had ok in spots but they didn't slow down to focus on what you had. Instead, it was all impulsive thoughts because each of you felt like if you didn't talk right then, you wouldn't be heard. That, ironically, made it where you couldn't hear each other or yourselves. The amount of times town said the right thing but jumped to the wrong thing and back was rather astounding. It was exhausting to deal with as scum, which is part of why I just gave up and voted whoever Math said. I couldn't control the chaotic jumping from item to item, so I attempted to foreclose the conversation instead.In post 8141, fireisredsir wrote:ty for the thoughts titus, really interesting to hear things from your perspective
i felt like there were a lot of places where we did compromise and work together somewhat as town, they just... all ended up being the wrong ones. Malcolm, VP, and Cape all were some amount of compromise. or at least for each of them i remember thinking "i want someone else, but these players want this person". and i don't really think those were that scum influenced? so maybe we just sucked at finding the right places to compromise on lol
Math wound up thinking that I was bussing VP instead of correctly reading my frustration and working with him.
Math also has a bit of scumreading opposition, so I used that a bit. It made me nervous having Eyes higher at that point, but I was able to turn it solely because Math was pidgeonholing the elimination in the hood. Then it was just a protect the Galron game, sacrificing myself if necessary.
I expected StD and Eyes to fall soon after me. Yet, there was too much data to see the clear link to Eyes and the mechanical elimination was ignored. I don't know why or how that happened.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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I mean it wasn't as obvious as I thought, because the bulk of the dead chat though that April was the traitor but....
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Scummy slot survives...ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Fair. I forgot to see if Nero healed Galron but if Nero didn't confscum in Galron/StD.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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I knew StD was traitor at that pointShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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