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VOTE: Mala because if they don't get wagoned D1 it will be a ca-Malaty!!
I will be posting my SSS (Standard Survey Strategy) once I verify the scoring scripts for it are working.
I've received some feedback on reading N_M so I will be of some use in that department. We've only got 9 players so let's get a solid PoE set up and we'll win the game.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Gorilla Glue
Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Got em
Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Aaaaaaand that's what she saidIn post 15, Andante wrote:the only kind of glue I've even used recently was stick glue.. hahahaha
Got emBruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Hmm..Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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In post 17, Frogsterking wrote:
Aaaaaaand that's what she saidIn post 15, Andante wrote:the only kind of glue I've even used recently was stick glue.. hahahaha
Got em
Come again??In post 19, Andante wrote:yeah idk what I'm missing... but I don't get it lolBruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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For some reason this reminds me of the joke that's like a picture of a newspaper:
Doctor Amputates Wrong Leg!
Doctor says "Oops"Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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HmmIn post 24, Kcdaspot wrote:i hereby demand that your avi be monokuma looking dumb for the rest of the game.
mebbe like with a duncecap or something.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Alright it's done; I'll keep this avi and sig until the end of the game.In post 32, Frogsterking wrote:
HmmIn post 24, Kcdaspot wrote:i hereby demand that your avi be monokuma looking dumb for the rest of the game.
mebbe like with a duncecap or something.
.. .. .. ..In post 28, Malakittens wrote:
I mean it just makes you look like a terrible person.In post 25, Frogsterking wrote:For some reason this reminds me of the joke that's like a picture of a newspaper:
Doctor Amputates Wrong Leg!
Doctor says "Oops"Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Yes and am I a terrible person you can trust? Confucius says: To trust or not to trust, this is the questionIn post 28, Malakittens wrote:you look like a terrible person.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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I will appreciate it if everyone takes my pro-town new survey strategy when I post it, the Standard Survey Strategy.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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I was waiting for a Beetlejuice but no one called my name.
I'm still working on the scripts for my survey strategy.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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I think Enchant seems informed hereIn post 89, Enchant wrote:
That's not true, i breathing.In post 77, Andante wrote: like, excuse me... half this table legit isn't doing anythingBruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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I have until page 10In post 104, JacksonVirgo wrote:
Saying this is useless and annoying. Post it soon or quit talking about it completelyIn post 103, Frogsterking wrote:I was waiting for a Beetlejuice but no one called my name.
I'm still working on the scripts for my survey strategy.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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I'm leaning town on both MegAzu and Andant
Enchant seems like they are really aware of the gamestate and that makes me think maybe scum!Enchant
I'm not sold on Val's solving. Val can appear solvey as scum.
This is my best guess VOTE: Jackson. I think this is a good wagon because it'll encourage him to post more AI information and we can reassess based on how he reactsBruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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I'm sorry that I've not been very present in this thread, but I think it may have helped town win con by me not being hereBruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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It's hard for me to tell which of my ideas are good and which are bad. So maybe i will try to bring that perspective...Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Okay here's the thing,In post 337, MegAzumarill wrote:VOTE: Val
Absolutely terrible hammer on a conformable as town PR.
Andante could basically be treated as IC after a night, there's no good excuse
It could just be suboptimal townplay.
For example: Val is given the special role of getting to solve with extra information. Then Val puts a lot of effort into the game and becomes attached to his solve. Then Val sees the chance to push his solve through and takes it impulsively without thinking critically. I feel like that happens..Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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In post 373, Frogsterking wrote:. Then Val puts a lot of effort into the game and becomes attached to his solve. Then Val sees the chance to push his solve through and takes it impulsively without thinking critically. I feel like that happens..Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Two scum and 1 town are rare hoods and I'm totally down to think about thiis based on there being a vig flip and the setup being designed by RadiantCowBells.In post 368, Kcdaspot wrote:question to consider: i think mafia NEEDED Virgo for some reason.... why?
to everyone else: what is the possibilty of that neighborhood being 2 scum, 1 town?Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Wait Andante outtedIn post 375, Enchant wrote:I see quickhammer as fast resort to dispose vig, before someone from wagon arrive and unvote.
Because if this happens, Val like 99% will be used by vig for target practice, or elimmed instantly.
It's Terrible play as town, and Decent for scum.
Val was gonna die anyway. So he had nothing to lose by hammer. Now he wants to pass as idiot.
No. Don't.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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WAIT. Okay okay, it can STILL be suboptimal townplay if Val was emotionally attached to his read.In post 377, Frogsterking wrote:
Wait Andante outtedIn post 375, Enchant wrote:I see quickhammer as fast resort to dispose vig, before someone from wagon arrive and unvote.
Because if this happens, Val like 99% will be used by vig for target practice, or elimmed instantly.
It's Terrible play as town, and Decent for scum.
Val was gonna die anyway. So he had nothing to lose by hammer. Now he wants to pass as idiot.
No. Don't.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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In post 339, Val89 wrote:I obviously disagree that it was 'stupid' and 'absolutely terrible', else I wouldn't have done it, but OK, let's assume you aren't victims of hindsight, and that we were both wrong and it objectively was.
Why does that lead to you voting me today?Val if you're Town you need to admit you made a mistake, I think it will help your solves and it's a first step to trusting
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I'm sorry I emphasize with this situation too much to scum read Val i think. I THINK. Because he keeps arguing that it was a good play even after the flip; if he were maf, he knew it was a bad townplay that's why he did it in the first place.In post 384, MegAzumarill wrote:
Yeah but it's always what scum does in that situation. They take a mislim and die rather than not get one and die.In post 373, Frogsterking wrote:
Okay here's the thing,In post 337, MegAzumarill wrote:VOTE: Val
Absolutely terrible hammer on a conformable as town PR.
Andante could basically be treated as IC after a night, there's no good excuse
It could just be suboptimal townplay.
For example: Val is given the special role of getting to solve with extra information. Then Val puts a lot of effort into the game and becomes attached to his solve. Then Val sees the chance to push his solve through and takes it impulsively without thinking critically. I feel like that happens..
If someone is playing the optimal scum!way, and it isn't good townplay they die. End of the line
LOL yes it looks sketchyIn post 385, Val89 wrote:
That's a complete misrep.In post 381, Enchant wrote:Well yes, and was hammered for refusing to shot Malakittens and still planning to shot Val.
Those were the last words Andante said before the hammer.In post 328, Andante wrote:I kid yall not when I say, high chance I just don't even shoot tonight, cause I'm feeling maf can redirect
Want to try again?Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Savage LOLIn post 394, Enchant wrote:Can we just call Frog+Val team and call it a day?Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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I think it's hypocritical to vote Val for me because I can empathize with making solves that are mechanically nonsensicaBruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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LolIn post 396, MegAzumarill wrote:https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=88251
Day 2 I pushed a claimed cop and got them elimmed.
Day 3 I play ATE and associative. falseassociative, despite not having any logical reason to have made my play the day before as town
LOL
Okay maybe it is the right call to vote Val here.
Lmao I feel like I don't see that every game I feel like you have a wider scum range than most players Azumarill.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Val is this your scum gameIn post 400, Val89 wrote:I am aware. Neither will MegA, given 386.
Absolutely not my intent. This is the best play for town. I think I'm arguing with two fucking townies, as much as it hurts me to say, and no hunting is going to get done while I remain unresolved.
Let's end this now while how the rest of the player list is reading the other slots ambigious and give scum some difficulties in choosing a night kill. It's at least a one-for-one trade.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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In post 406, Val89 wrote:I have thought of something else, actually.
Before you lim her, ask Mala tomorrow to relay the other points I had pointing to kcda!scum from the hood last night. I've given enough already, but there is still something I saw as a potential perspective slip on D1 that I haven't brought up yet, and a possible example of TMI. Ask Mala to explain. She was evasive about her read on kcda (although she was with respect to her reads in general, just saying everyone alive was null or leanscum to her) and perhaps you will glean something from her reluctance or otherwise to do so. That is my legacy solve - Mala and KCDA.
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Producing a game solve so fierce it forces an NKIn post 405, Val89 wrote:A chance at what, exactly?Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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If Val is Town then I think Val is putting too much pressure on himself to solve the game and it's initiating a self destruct spiral. I've done this so many times. It can carry on from game to game and get worse each time. I want to give Val the chance to turn it around and reverse the spiral.
If this is an AtE scum act then Val is showing a level of detail in this performance which is uncanny.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Val can you post a simple slot by slot reads list with like a few lines each for each player? I think NM and I should post one too to get like more reads out.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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And Mala for that matter wow. Did Mala post a lot of their content in the hood chat or something?Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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I have guilty VOTE: MalaKittensIn post 441, Malakittens wrote:Wow what is happeningBruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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I can get down with this logic.In post 467, Enchant wrote:Two things
1. I am idiot and asked wrong person to unvote. Happens. You can vote back on NM btw.
2. Kcd-Not_Mafia and Malakittens-Frogsterking both contain one mafia per pair.
So how we supposed to clear it's up?
I had a good/lucky read on Mala based on a line they've used again since then ("what's happening?" = Stalling question for liars)
NM is in his town meta based on my understanding of it and my best guess is that he had a good/lucky read on KDCA himself.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
Terry: ...Thanks.- Frogsterking
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In post 480, Kcdaspot wrote:town!NM dont go after peeps like this. Town!NM don't care
enchant there are not 3 maf there are 2 and one of them is voting me sorry but im back on my shit
VOTE: NM
convince me this is town NM
UNVOTE: MalaIn post 489, Not_Mafia wrote:Enchant, kcda vs me should be sorted today, kcda is easily sorted, save Mala v frog for tomorrow
VOTE: KCDA
NM speaking the truth this game. I'm expecting Mala to vote NM here, in which case Enchant hammer kcda please.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
Terry: ...Thanks.- Frogsterking
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There's some helpful feedback for me on my scum game in here which I appreciate.In post 550, Prism wrote:Day 3, uh, existed. NM's fake guilty was bad. I don't know the motivation behind Frogsterking faking a guilty on Malakittens but it wasn't a good move no matter how you slice it.
This game should have ended days ago. The proper way to blitz is to suggest a specific time, ideally using something synced up like time.is, and check in 5 minutes before to confirm that you will both be online. The second the minute turns blitz it, post something plausible if you're worried about the partner being slightly late.
The Mafia team never told each other their roles. Frogsterking found out about the neighbourhood from JacksonVirgo's reveal in thread, and I don't think he ever said he was a goon or Mala that she was only a neighbour.
"When in doubt, lurk it out" claims another perfect scumwin.
In general, I thought this game made a strong case for nominative determinism. Be very careful what you flavor your games after, it might turn into a prophecy.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
Terry: ...Thanks. - Frogsterking
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