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Post Post #15 (isolation #0) » Sat Oct 08, 2022 8:31 am

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3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3
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Post Post #76 (isolation #1) » Sat Oct 08, 2022 12:07 pm

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Above the Line
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Post Post #77 (isolation #2) » Sat Oct 08, 2022 12:07 pm

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Post Post #232 (isolation #3) » Mon Oct 10, 2022 2:09 am

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #235 (isolation #4) » Mon Oct 10, 2022 2:57 am

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I'm reading though and can't think of anything useful to say.
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Post Post #236 (isolation #5) » Mon Oct 10, 2022 2:58 am

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In post 234, Grib wrote:I think Fire is town and Frog is scum.
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Post Post #238 (isolation #6) » Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:04 am

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In post 234, Grib wrote:Sooo… I made a case for Frog being scum.
I think your case comes from a town mindset. I don't think your points necessarily point towards Frog scum though. I can see Frog!town wanting to sort Fire and so not paying as much attention to others doing the same, and I think Frog and Fire's early interactions point in this direction.
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Post Post #239 (isolation #7) » Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:06 am

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In post 195, Aisa wrote:
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, why is Bella above null?
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Post Post #241 (isolation #8) » Mon Oct 10, 2022 3:27 am

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So you think Frog is just ignoring it?
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Post Post #290 (isolation #9) » Mon Oct 10, 2022 12:11 pm

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Do people not look at the pronouns of others?
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Post Post #295 (isolation #10) » Mon Oct 10, 2022 12:25 pm

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In post 293, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 290, Elements wrote:Do people not look at the pronouns of others?
Wait before I go can you clarify why you townleaned Bella in your initial reads list?
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Post Post #328 (isolation #11) » Mon Oct 10, 2022 7:04 pm

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In post 321, Bellaphant wrote:Imma read aisa's scum game. Also, I forgot not mad and soleay were in the game.

Sorry elements, something else I read wrong. Did we play together recently?
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Post Post #329 (isolation #12) » Mon Oct 10, 2022 7:09 pm

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I like tsq for town
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Post Post #331 (isolation #13) » Mon Oct 10, 2022 8:30 pm

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I should probably vote someone
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Post Post #332 (isolation #14) » Mon Oct 10, 2022 8:30 pm

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VOTE: Aisa
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Post Post #333 (isolation #15) » Mon Oct 10, 2022 10:38 pm

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In post 217, Solway Firth wrote:As for HPE,
I scumread her
to reasons previously stated. I also don’t like how she voted BBT, and her tone is very off.
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Post Post #334 (isolation #16) » Mon Oct 10, 2022 10:39 pm

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In post 333, Elements wrote:
In post 217, Solway Firth wrote:As for HPE,
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to reasons previously stated. I also don’t like how she voted BBT, and her tone is very off.
But not enough to vote there?
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Post Post #335 (isolation #17) » Mon Oct 10, 2022 10:48 pm

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Grib - Prob-Town
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Post Post #336 (isolation #18) » Tue Oct 11, 2022 2:07 am

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HPE can have a bit of a town bump
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Post Post #337 (isolation #19) » Tue Oct 11, 2022 2:23 am

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BBT can be a town lean
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Post Post #344 (isolation #20) » Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:08 am

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In post 338, Bellaphant wrote:Talk to me about hpe and tsq @elements?
HPE - It's posts read from a place of gently massaging the game, and I can empathise with . It hasn't reached town lean status yet, just +town points coz I think it's posts feel more from a town pov than a scum one.

TSQ - I like big stances and throwing out reads as town. The exchange with Grib reads TvT to me. I don't think SvS would be able to fake that level of misunderstanding, nor do I think scum would bother continuing to press the matter.
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Post Post #348 (isolation #21) » Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:13 am

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In post 345, BlueBloodedToffee wrote: PEdit - Hey Elements, I asked you a question earlier, would you mind going back and answering it?
which one?
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Post Post #356 (isolation #22) » Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:22 am

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In post 349, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 332, Elements wrote:VOTE: Aisa
Talk about this?
and both ping me. The meta on Frog is eh at best and comes to a conclusion I disagree with. I wanted to have my vote on someone.
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Post Post #357 (isolation #23) » Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:22 am

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In post 352, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 348, Elements wrote:
In post 345, BlueBloodedToffee wrote: PEdit - Hey Elements, I asked you a question earlier, would you mind going back and answering it?
which one?
ISO me?
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Post Post #359 (isolation #24) » Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:26 am

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In post 358, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:OK, can you explain why they ping you?
Not satisfactorily
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Post Post #361 (isolation #25) » Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:26 am

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In post 358, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Cheeky scum? I like it.
*eyeroll*
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Post Post #365 (isolation #26) » Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:28 am

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Where are the other points that are the so called "meat" of the confrontation?
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Post Post #366 (isolation #27) » Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:29 am

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ah, thank you
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Post Post #382 (isolation #28) » Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:40 am

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VOTE: BBT
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Post Post #398 (isolation #29) » Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:18 am

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seconded
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Post Post #476 (isolation #30) » Wed Oct 12, 2022 11:26 am

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In post 458, Aisa wrote:
In post 356, Elements wrote:
In post 349, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 332, Elements wrote:VOTE: Aisa
Talk about this?
and both ping me. The meta on Frog is eh at best and comes to a conclusion I disagree with. I wanted to have my vote on someone.
What part of my meta on Frog did you disagree with?
Looking back on it a honestly cannot remember
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Post Post #478 (isolation #31) » Wed Oct 12, 2022 11:38 am

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Post Post #480 (isolation #32) » Wed Oct 12, 2022 11:40 am

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If you disarm me I'll just grow them back
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Post Post #508 (isolation #33) » Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:59 am

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Why do you want a list of town reads? So you know who to night kill?
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Post Post #532 (isolation #34) » Thu Oct 13, 2022 7:34 am

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In post 516, Frogsterking wrote: I'm trying to see whether we have any collective insight into the slots which are harder to read. I call it "Town reading by proxy."
Why not ask us about those slots specifically then?
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Post Post #547 (isolation #35) » Thu Oct 13, 2022 11:28 pm

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My most recent read list is as up to date as I care to be at the moment
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Post Post #612 (isolation #36) » Fri Oct 14, 2022 12:22 pm

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Don't like that
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Post Post #615 (isolation #37) » Fri Oct 14, 2022 12:25 pm

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TSQ what do you think about a BBT, Aisa, SF scum team?
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Post Post #616 (isolation #38) » Fri Oct 14, 2022 12:25 pm

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I think it fits but is just way too obvious
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Post Post #619 (isolation #39) » Fri Oct 14, 2022 12:27 pm

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In post 610, Not_Mafia wrote:Someone quote a post they want me to respond to
In post 611, Solway Firth wrote:NM is my biggest scum read
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Post Post #712 (isolation #40) » Fri Oct 14, 2022 11:17 pm

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:o
I'm no longer the largest wagon!
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Post Post #714 (isolation #41) » Sat Oct 15, 2022 12:02 am

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In post 713, Eiralox wrote:VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee
What changed?
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Post Post #746 (isolation #42) » Sat Oct 15, 2022 11:26 am

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Post Post #780 (isolation #43) » Sun Oct 16, 2022 2:36 am

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In post 775, Eiralox wrote: Anyway, why are you voting Asia for a third time?
I'm sheeping TSQ whenever he's on BBT, then Aisa is the person I want to flip most after that
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Post Post #784 (isolation #44) » Sun Oct 16, 2022 4:53 am

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Why not?
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Post Post #931 (isolation #45) » Mon Oct 17, 2022 10:22 am

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VOTE: BBT
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Post Post #943 (isolation #46) » Mon Oct 17, 2022 1:08 pm

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yo nm, vote bbt
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Post Post #955 (isolation #47) » Mon Oct 17, 2022 1:53 pm

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In post 948, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 932, Grib wrote:Maybe everyone would be happier if I started playing more like Elements.
No.
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Post Post #1021 (isolation #48) » Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:30 pm

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VOTE: BBT
This is scum and I don't think anyone can convince me otherwise
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Post Post #1039 (isolation #49) » Thu Oct 20, 2022 11:51 pm

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In post 1022, Bellaphant wrote: People who are actually trying to read me, like eir and honestly bbt, are reading me right.
Have you considered that's because they know your alignment?
I am town reading bbt.
Please do tell why
Pointing the tsq nk at him is like level 0 of a read.
No one is scum reading BBT just because of the night kill and saying that is deliberately disingenuous.
The read is 3 fold. Terrible reaction to TSQ's test (and you cannot argue it wasn't bad because it was), the night kills, and wagonomics.
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Post Post #1040 (isolation #50) » Thu Oct 20, 2022 11:52 pm

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In post 1010, Firebringer wrote:that moment where my only townread is Elements in this game.
These truly are dark times
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Post Post #1041 (isolation #51) » Thu Oct 20, 2022 11:53 pm

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what does snowing mean?
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Post Post #1046 (isolation #52) » Fri Oct 21, 2022 11:21 am

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Then why say that you had things to say at all?
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Post Post #1047 (isolation #53) » Fri Oct 21, 2022 11:21 am

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Now everyone is going to want to know what it is you shouldn't say!
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Post Post #1115 (isolation #54) » Sun Oct 23, 2022 12:18 pm

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I did not realise it had been so long since I last posted
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Post Post #1117 (isolation #55) » Sun Oct 23, 2022 12:21 pm

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In post 1109, Aisa wrote:Can you tell me what your reads are aside from BBT when you next get on, Elements?
that is my plan for tomorrow, my aim is to iso everyone and go from there.
but briefly off the top of my head
NM and enchant are unreadable blobs
frog, bella, bbt are where I think we'll most likely hit scum
you, eira, grib prob town
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Post Post #1125 (isolation #56) » Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:00 am

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In post 1118, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Elements, wanna vote Frog?
no
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Post Post #1131 (isolation #57) » Mon Oct 24, 2022 9:12 am

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so this wagon has escalated quickly
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Post Post #1138 (isolation #58) » Mon Oct 24, 2022 9:37 am

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In post 1132, Aisa wrote:What do you think it means?
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Post Post #1139 (isolation #59) » Mon Oct 24, 2022 9:43 am

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hmm, actually maybe it doesn't make you more likely scum
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Post Post #1146 (isolation #60) » Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:41 am

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BBT and Aisa aren't both scum
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Post Post #1180 (isolation #61) » Tue Oct 25, 2022 9:35 am

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I like Bella for scum too
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Post Post #1204 (isolation #62) » Wed Oct 26, 2022 5:54 am

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VOTE: Bellaphant
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Post Post #1214 (isolation #63) » Wed Oct 26, 2022 8:24 am

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No read Bella!
That's a slot I want you to look at!
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Post Post #1226 (isolation #64) » Wed Oct 26, 2022 11:00 am

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It is not. Sadly the thinking part of my brain decided it didn't want to.
But I asked because I wanted your pov on Bella.
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Post Post #1236 (isolation #65) » Wed Oct 26, 2022 12:52 pm

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In post 1228, Frogsterking wrote:I suggest we not lose sight of the BBT wagon. That was our (my) mistake D1. We should have the numbers to push it through if the Bella and BBT wagons consolidate. I'm pretty sure my wagon is just intended as a distraction to keep BBT alive.
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Post Post #1237 (isolation #66) » Wed Oct 26, 2022 12:57 pm

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VOTE: BBT
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Post Post #1295 (isolation #67) » Thu Oct 27, 2022 4:41 am

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Fire, Grib, vote BBT
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Post Post #1296 (isolation #68) » Thu Oct 27, 2022 4:50 am

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In post 1292, Enchant wrote:
In post 1291, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Umm, OK.

That's kind of worrying
No worry if i had choice i would kill Eire first
But that's not happening today so you should vote BBT
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Post Post #1307 (isolation #69) » Thu Oct 27, 2022 6:28 am

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Aisa, come to the vote BBT side. We have cookies
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Post Post #1309 (isolation #70) » Thu Oct 27, 2022 6:32 am

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If Enchant votes BBT, will that act to summon NM?
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Post Post #1311 (isolation #71) » Thu Oct 27, 2022 6:34 am

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Why not both?
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Post Post #1315 (isolation #72) » Thu Oct 27, 2022 6:37 am

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Think it's going to be this close to the end of the day every day?
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Post Post #1317 (isolation #73) » Thu Oct 27, 2022 6:42 am

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What did you want?
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Post Post #1328 (isolation #74) » Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:46 am

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VOTE: bella
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Post Post #1329 (isolation #75) » Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:51 am

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In post 1042, Bellaphant wrote:Fire, I don't know how to say what I'm saying any clearer. I spent day one convinced that there must be fair portion of scum in the group of people I find difficult to read, and I've been really clear who they are and why. It's really frustrating to think that the slots that I really struggle to engage with are the ones I need to. I don't know how to make this clearer.

I thought that town! Any slot would give final reads at an impending hammer. Honestly any decent reads there might have made me reconsider. I don't think this is unusual? I'm also super hesitant to hammer: recently (a game frog and nm and a.few other people) were in I hammered with what looked like consensus and scum tried to use it to mislim me. It's also just totally nai for me, I'm just cautious as a person.
Like I said, your read on me feels 100% personality based. Which is funny (not really) because a lot of my reads were two day one and they were shit.

I might be wrong about bbt, but I have also seen him mis limmed as town a lot recently. I did feel like his engagement with me was genuine, but his lack of content today is worrying. I think Eir is town because of our chat about the game being 'unreadable': I said it, they took exception, they said something actually similar, I explained my actual position and we came to a consensus.
In post 1022, Bellaphant wrote:Because you go into my posts just deciding I'm wishy washy: you did it last day phase and then backtracked and then did the same thing now. It's pretty obvious that there's a certain kind of player I really struggle with reading, and we happen to have a fair amount of them in Thai game. People who are actually trying to read me, like eir and honestly bbt, are reading me right.

I am town reading bbt. Pointing the tsq nk at him is like level 0 of a read.

I don't have a solve ready. That's not how I play.
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I'm thinking Bella Aisa
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Post Post #1330 (isolation #76) » Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:51 am

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oops, forgot I had those selected
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Post Post #1332 (isolation #77) » Sat Oct 29, 2022 11:09 am

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Yea, that's why I'm dubious on you
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Post Post #1336 (isolation #78) » Sat Oct 29, 2022 11:26 am

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In post 385, Aisa wrote:Thanks BBT ^^
I think TSQ comes out of this looking towny. Tbh I feel them getting a bit of a point. I can also see this reaction from Town!BBT, but I think it's a little scum indicative overall, sorry.
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Post Post #1337 (isolation #79) » Sat Oct 29, 2022 11:28 am

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You're still very much in my to sort pool but if I had to give a team right now it would be you and Bella
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Post Post #1339 (isolation #80) » Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:30 pm

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I have not
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Post Post #1340 (isolation #81) » Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:31 pm

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I don't have the attention span for meta
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Post Post #1341 (isolation #82) » Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:43 pm

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Eira town unless frog scum then I'm not sure
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Post Post #1344 (isolation #83) » Sat Oct 29, 2022 11:20 pm

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In post 1343, Enchant wrote:VOTE: Eiralox
Interesting, tell me more
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Post Post #1348 (isolation #84) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:58 am

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In post 1340, Elements wrote:I don't have the attention span for meta
In post 1346, Aisa wrote:
In post 1341, Elements wrote:Eira town unless frog scum then I'm not sure
Can you also explain why that is?
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Post Post #1349 (isolation #85) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 2:59 am

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People who think Bella is town, why?
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Post Post #1350 (isolation #86) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:03 am

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In post 1220, Grib wrote:Fire and Elements aren't really scumreads yet, but at this point in the game they make me uneasy. Especially since with how narrow the suspect pool is (fmpov), at least one of them is likely mafia unless a lurker slot ends up flipping red.
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Post Post #1351 (isolation #87) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:06 am

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@frog, what is your position on Aisa after the recent deaths?
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Post Post #1352 (isolation #88) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:07 am

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In post 1256, Eiralox wrote:
In post 1254, Firebringer wrote:Anyways who is ur townreads besides aisa and bella and why are they town
Aisa and bella, full stop.
Are these still your only town reads?
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Post Post #1353 (isolation #89) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:11 am

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I dislike that NM didn't vote BBT at all
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Post Post #1357 (isolation #90) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:26 am

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In post 1356, Eiralox wrote:
In post 1352, Elements wrote:
In post 1256, Eiralox wrote:
In post 1254, Firebringer wrote:Anyways who is ur townreads besides aisa and bella and why are they town
Aisa and bella, full stop.
Are these still your only town reads?
bella is town.
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Post Post #1358 (isolation #91) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 3:30 am

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In post 1356, Eiralox wrote:
In post 1352, Elements wrote:
In post 1256, Eiralox wrote:
In post 1254, Firebringer wrote:Anyways who is ur townreads besides aisa and bella and why are they town
Aisa and bella, full stop.
Are these still your only town reads?
bella is town.
In post 1354, Aisa wrote:
In post 1345, Aisa wrote:
In post 1336, Elements wrote:
In post 385, Aisa wrote:Thanks BBT ^^
I think TSQ comes out of this looking towny. Tbh I feel them getting a bit of a point. I can also see this reaction from Town!BBT, but I think it's a little scum indicative overall, sorry.
ISO'd you and I suppose that's at least vaguely consistent with the timing of when you first started to say I was scum.
How does that post mean I'm partnered with BBT, though?
I don’t think you’ve answered this.
In post 1348, Elements wrote:
In post 1340, Elements wrote:I don't have the attention span for meta
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In post 1341, Elements wrote:Eira town unless frog scum then I'm not sure
Can you also explain why that is?
Eira!scum could have easily pushed through a frog!town lim yesterday to give BBT another day
Re: the meta thing, that’s fine, but I’m not sure what you’re quoting it again in relation to.
Re: Eira, sure
Did not mean to quote the bit about meta, phone posting is annoying.

It positions you to be able to get on the wagon if it becomes unavoidable but gives you the leaway to not have to vote BBT. It reads like you're preparing yourself for whichever way the wagon goes so you can bus/defend either way you need to
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Post Post #1374 (isolation #92) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 7:33 am

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VOTE: Grib
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Post Post #1376 (isolation #93) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 7:36 am

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Congrats enchant, you're my biggest town read
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Post Post #1377 (isolation #94) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 7:50 am

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I'm liking Grib Bella now
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Post Post #1379 (isolation #95) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 7:57 am

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Maybe Grib NM
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Post Post #1380 (isolation #96) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 8:01 am

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In post 1366, Enchant wrote:And who i vote instead?
Grib
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Post Post #1384 (isolation #97) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 8:27 am

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In post 1377, Elements wrote:I'm liking Grib Bella now
For the remaining scum
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Post Post #1385 (isolation #98) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 8:32 am

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In post 1382, Grib wrote:If Frog is town, why didn't he get elimmed Day 2?
Ugh, idk
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Post Post #1387 (isolation #99) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 8:34 am

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In post 1382, Grib wrote:If Frog is town, why didn't he get elimmed Day 2?
Is Bella is town why did her wagon not gain much traction Vs two scum wagons?
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Post Post #1388 (isolation #100) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 8:34 am

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Unless it's Bella and Frog
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Post Post #1389 (isolation #101) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 8:36 am

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VOTE: Bella
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Post Post #1393 (isolation #102) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 8:41 am

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In post 1386, Grib wrote:My vote was pretty pivotal in getting BBT eliminated. If I had stayed on Frog, Enchant would've hammered. If I'm mafia and Frog is town, why did I do that?
Can you quote this Bella/BBT interaction you're on about, I can't find it
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Post Post #1394 (isolation #103) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 8:41 am

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In post 1392, Grib wrote:I probably owe it to Firebringer to leave you alone for now anyways.

Problem is, aside from Frog I don't have a better candidate for the last mafia. NM? I really want to believe I'm correctly townrading Bella/Eira/Aisa.
NM slots in with BBT as a partner I think
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Post Post #1395 (isolation #104) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 8:42 am

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In post 1393, Elements wrote:
In post 1386, Grib wrote:My vote was pretty pivotal in getting BBT eliminated. If I had stayed on Frog, Enchant would've hammered. If I'm mafia and Frog is town, why did I do that?
Can you quote this Bella/BBT interaction you're on about, I can't find it
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Wrong quote
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Post Post #1400 (isolation #105) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 8:54 am

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I'll be driving for the next couple of hours if people will still be around to talk about things after that
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Post Post #1401 (isolation #106) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 8:54 am

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In post 1399, Eiralox wrote:VOTE: Elements
Go boil your head
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Post Post #1402 (isolation #107) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 9:46 am

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Anyone around?
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Post Post #1405 (isolation #108) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 9:54 am

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In post 1403, Aisa wrote:I'll bite, participation may be intermittent
Do you have any thoughts on NM at all?
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Post Post #1406 (isolation #109) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 9:54 am

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Bella can you give me a quick reads list?
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Post Post #1407 (isolation #110) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 9:56 am

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or has it not changed at all since earlier?
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Post Post #1409 (isolation #111) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 10:10 am

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In post 1398, Grib wrote:If Bella is a partner, then BBT charged himself with protecting her. With the way he played, I don't think she's his partner. And the Firebringer kill would be hella weird after Bella openly shaded him at deadline for townreading you.
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Post Post #1411 (isolation #112) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 10:12 am

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Bella has been soft defending BBT the whole game. Never outright defending them, just poking at points made against them and trying to not get them voted out. I also find it difficult to find any points Bella has actually made about anything, everything is just eh. I get that it might be your play style but I'd expect at least
some
strong thoughts on the game.
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In post 725, Bellaphant wrote:Also I was in that lost game,
I'd rather not elim bbt day one
In post 412, Bellaphant wrote:I can see what bbt was saying though? Tsq kinda jumped on a thing and then was like 'haha you did a thing' when he responded. It felt like siblings more than s v s or s v t. I don't think tsq is scummy for what they did and I feel they believe in it, I still think it's lame and weird.
In post 1042, Bellaphant wrote:I might be wrong about bbt, but I have also seen him mis limmed as town a lot recently. I did feel like his engagement with me was genuine, but his lack of content today is worrying.
In post 1177, Bellaphant wrote:
In post 1155, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1121, Bellaphant wrote:My approach, generally, is to find town: I've spoken about this a lot recently, even in the personality test. It's what I'm struggling with here: I think if could just lock town like, you, grib, fire, bbt and Eir that's a lot, but I'm really iffy on you and grib and bbt.
can we revisit ur townreads from say day 1. Like how did u get BBT town from ur interactions. I had skimmed it and like BBT basically never talked to u. One or two mentions and it wasn't some discussion i would say indicates anything to anyone.

So lets talk about it
This is fair. Tbf the thing I haven't made as clear as I thought was that bbt was always 'town enough ', rather than some lock town soul read and it was more the push on him that looked scumny, which made me more likely to think that he was town. I'd just been in the lost game, where he was a universal scum read for not great reasons and I was one of the scum team.

I don't wanna talk about bbt any more, it's giving aisa silly ideas.
In post 1265, Bellaphant wrote:If the final wagons are bbt v frog then we should do frog.
In post 1022, Bellaphant wrote:I am town reading bbt. Pointing the tsq nk at him is like level 0 of a read.
Then BBT flips scum
In post 1017, Bellaphant wrote:@fire, I'm starting to think you just don't like way I post.

I really thought I had day one more sorted, there was deffo scum inElements/ hpe/tsq/frog/n_m/maybe fire.


I want to look again at
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Post Post #1412 (isolation #113) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 10:13 am

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In post 1410, Bellaphant wrote:I think FB was a weird kill all round.
Did you think Fire was scum?
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Post Post #1414 (isolation #114) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 10:19 am

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Has vote for: Me (biggest wagon), Aisa (making it the biggest wagon), Bella (weren't really any wagons at the time), Frog (biggest wagon)
The only biggest wagon NM didn't voted for was BBT. Both day 1 and day 2.
Conclusion: NM fits with BBT as scum
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Post Post #1416 (isolation #115) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 10:23 am

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In post 1397, Grib wrote:
In post 1102, Grib wrote:This post is @BBT but I don't feel like quoting his large post.

[...]

Regarding the buddying and my request of your past town games, I thought that maybe you just wanted to have a villager pocketed and picked Bella by having an empty (meta) townread on her. When I asked you about your past meta reads, I didn't mean on Bella specifically, I was referring to any instance where you were a villager and relied on meta to read someone else. Because if this isn't something you normally do as a villager, then it just looks like a fake townread.
In post 1104, Grib wrote:I just quickly went through BBT's mentions of Bella and I'm shrug. Meta townread that was "good enough" for Day 1, then he says he has no confidence in actually reading her, and now it's Day 2 and it feels like he's veeery lightly shading her while also keeping her in his stronger townleans. Since his Day 1 read wasn't strong, I imagine a reevaluation of that read (or at least sanity checking it) would be a pretty natural course of development, but he's kind of just holding onto the initial empty read. I think the most substance it has is when he mentioned that Bella is more hesitant/fence-sitty as scum, and he liked that she had early reads.

I just suspect that this read in particular isn't real.

[...]
Hmm ok so your town read on Bella is based on BBT's scum!meta? Is this meta from 1 game or from multiple games?
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Post Post #1417 (isolation #116) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 10:25 am

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In post 1415, Grib wrote:
In post 1409, Elements wrote:
In post 1398, Grib wrote:If Bella is a partner, then BBT charged himself with protecting her. With the way he played, I don't think she's his partner. And the Firebringer kill would be hella weird after Bella openly shaded him at deadline for townreading you.
Do you think the Firebringer kill indicates me as scum more than Bella as scum?
Yes.

But I’m by no means locked onto that. Just need a healthy amount of discussion and different perspectives.
So I hard bus my partner and then kill of the only person that's town reading me?
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Post Post #1419 (isolation #117) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 10:28 am

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In post 1408, Aisa wrote:Elements, how is Enchant your strongest townread?
Very relaxed tone and despite being a self declared "idiot as both alignemts" still manages to have strong opinions that I think have made an impact on the game.
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Post Post #1421 (isolation #118) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 10:29 am

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In post 1418, Grib wrote:So when he said his Bella read was based on meta, that set off alarm bells. I’m leaning towards that fake read being used to pocket Bella, rather than shield her from pressure.
Why do you think it's more likely a pocket attempt?
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Post Post #1424 (isolation #119) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 10:32 am

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@Enchant what is your current stance on Aisa?
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Post Post #1425 (isolation #120) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 10:34 am

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In post 1422, Grib wrote:Even without Firebringer, I’d say you still aren’t really anyone’s first elim choice. You have a pretty easygoing vibe that makes it hard to scumread you, imo.
This is the first time anyone has said it makes it hard to read you. I don't think I've played a game where I haven't been wagoned day 1. In at least half of my games I get voted out day 1 or 2
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Post Post #1426 (isolation #121) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 10:35 am

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In post 1425, Elements wrote:
In post 1422, Grib wrote:Even without Firebringer, I’d say you still aren’t really anyone’s first elim choice. You have a pretty easygoing vibe that makes it hard to scumread you, imo.
This is the first time anyone has said it makes it hard to scumread me. I don't think I've played a game where I haven't been wagoned day 1. In at least half of my games I get voted out day 1 or 2
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Post Post #1430 (isolation #122) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 10:37 am

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the problem I have with "way too easy" reasoning is that just proves it isn't
if that makes sense
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Post Post #1432 (isolation #123) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 10:38 am

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In post 1428, Bellaphant wrote:
In post 1414, Elements wrote:Not_Mafia
Has vote for: Me (biggest wagon), Aisa (making it the biggest wagon), Bella (weren't really any wagons at the time), Frog (biggest wagon)
The only biggest wagon NM didn't voted for was BBT. Both day 1 and day 2.
Conclusion: NM fits with BBT as scum
Are you actually town?

P-edit, trust me I wouldn't be as shit as I was day one/early day as scum.
Yes, and why that particular quote?
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Post Post #1436 (isolation #124) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 10:41 am

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In post 1431, Grib wrote:I guess another reason I'm recently considering a scumread on you is it seems like you're playing differently now that BBT flipped. You're super gung-ho on gamesolving now but for the rest of the game it was drive-by votes and one-liners.
I'm so hyped by this game right now ngl. I thought I was gonna get night killed. I really wanted BBT flipped because I thought he was scum and that it gives us lots of interactions and voting to look at (which I think it has) and now we have it I wanna dive deep.
Also neurodivergence will do that to you
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Post Post #1438 (isolation #125) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 10:44 am

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In post 1434, Bellaphant wrote: I think I was really clear that I never had a lock town town read on bbt
That's like my whole point. You were half defending him but weren't hard committing cos there was so much pressure there you couldn't save the slot.

I'm also coming round to eira/NM scum but I haven't gone through eira yet so there's still that
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Post Post #1440 (isolation #126) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 10:45 am

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In post 1431, Grib wrote:You're super gung-ho on gamesolving now but for the rest of the game it was drive-by votes and one-liners.
Don't expect it to last.
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Post Post #1441 (isolation #127) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 10:46 am

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In post 1439, Aisa wrote:Earlier today I tried to meta Elements. I was leaning towards a townread and kind of looking for information to support that, but couldn't really find anything super solid.

Elem town games:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85772
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85877

Elem scum games:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=80648
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=83059

The one thing I've noticed is that she seemed slightly more "solvey" overall as town, and loves mech spec as scum. She's also been more solvey tonight than I've noticed in any of the games I skimmed. I'm not super sure on this one, but I think she may be town.

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Post Post #1443 (isolation #128) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 10:49 am

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WOAT?
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Post Post #1447 (isolation #129) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 11:01 am

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Latest Scum game:
https://warwick-mafia.freeforums.net/th ... eater-idea

Other games from that site:
as mattready - https://warwick-mafia.freeforums.net/th ... s-disguise - Town - ew just made me read my deadname

https://warwick-mafia.freeforums.net/bo ... afia-games - there are a few others on here if you decide you wanted to look.

Yea only look if you want to, I just thought I'd share the most recent scum game I've played seeing as you were looking at my meta and I haven't played in a while
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Post Post #1449 (isolation #130) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 11:03 am

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Expect to see some posts from me when you wake up. Possible pointed at you. I'm half running down the player list looking at people in between interacting with the active people
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Post Post #1450 (isolation #131) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 11:04 am

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Have good sleeps
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Post Post #1451 (isolation #132) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 11:07 am

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Disclaimer: I'm going to treat myself as town for this analysis because that takes out a variable and makes this easier for me.

People who voted the wagons day 2:

BBT: Grib, Elements, Frog, Eira, Aisa, Enchant

Frog: Enchant, Aisa, Bella, BBT, NM, Fire


Case where Frog is town:

End of day was Aisa and Enchant picking between BBT and Frog. Aisa voted BBT, Enchant hammered. Aisa town, Enchant prob town. I think Enchant could've voted BBT and and Aisa would've switched to get a lim through.
That gets us to:
Enchant, Fire, Aisa, Elements town. So likely for the BBT lim to go through over the Frog lim I think the team has to be Bella, BBT, NM. I don't think NM unvotes Frog as scum in that situation but it is NM so....
I think I've just convinced myself Frog is scum.

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Post Post #1452 (isolation #133) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 11:15 am

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Onto the Frog is scum case:

People who voted the wagons day 2:

BBT: Grib, Elements, Frog, Eira, Aisa, Enchant

Frog: Enchant, Aisa, Bella, BBT, NM, Fire

Case where Frog is scum:

BBT voting Frog could've started out as distancing maybe? When it was clear they were the only viable wagons I don't think them voting each other says anything. I guess that's more rlly assuming Frog is scum but I wanted to say it.
My NM not voting BBT kinda falls apart a bit actually as NM did vote Frog. But unvoted at the end of the day?
I think there would've had to be a big scum discussion about who to bus and masterful handling of the end of the day for Aisa to be the third scum.
Grib scum and me scum are the same case I think here?
I haven't read through Eira yet so maybe this is premature but I can see that being scum?

This analysis has been vastly swayed by my current reads so take it how you will.

I'd like to lim in [NM, Frog, Eira] today I think
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Post Post #1453 (isolation #134) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 11:16 am

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Those posts I think also fairly well sum up my Aisa opinions
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Post Post #1455 (isolation #135) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 11:42 am

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In post 510, Frogsterking wrote:Lol I'm not scum with BBT, officer. I swear, honestly :shifty:
This is fun

In post 1191, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 1178, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:You were in the LOST game, you definitely saw me casing numerous people
No, I didn't see you do much of that in LOST.
This is Frog's only interaction with BBT
There's little to no interaction with Bella, Eira, and NM either. But there is a town read on Bella.

oh wait, there's another interaction with BBT that is Frog saying he'd get back to BBT which he never did.

Not sure why town!Frog doesn't interact with BBT when he doesn't really have a read on BBT for a fair bit of that game.
I can see Frog not knowing how to interact "well" with a scum partner (that's something I find hard) and from BBT's push on frog at the start of day 1 being distancing that they decided to keep up. The not knowing how to interact with scum partners also ties into my NM/Eira being the 3rd scum theory as there aren't any reads on either of those two I could find n Frog's iso.
I'm worried this is now me thinking up ways in which Frog!scum works and then using that to enforce my scum!Frog read

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Post Post #1456 (isolation #136) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 11:45 am

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In post 1454, Eiralox wrote:what made you feel better about bellaphant?
Bella is who I would vote if you/NM/Frog all came out as ICs. She's my next port of call if I'm wrong about you 3. So it's less feeling better about Bella and more feeling better about my scumreads elsewhere
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Post Post #1458 (isolation #137) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 11:51 am

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There's residual tiltage from you voting me with nothing else. You're still on my list to iso (it's you and grib left) so my thoughts on you might change
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Post Post #1460 (isolation #138) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 11:54 am

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while you're here what are your thoughts on Bella, Frog, and Enchant?
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Post Post #1461 (isolation #139) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 11:56 am

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has BBT rolled scum before?
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Post Post #1464 (isolation #140) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:05 pm

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In post 1462, Eiralox wrote:enchant is a pointy eared mystery.
Similar thoughts on NM?
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Post Post #1465 (isolation #141) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:13 pm

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So I've looked at a few of BBT's scum games and have noticed something:

Newbie 2099 - Calls partner scum and votes them
Newbie 2096 - Calls partner scum and votes them
Mini Normal 2016 - Buddy1: Starts with not much of a read then ends up bussing, Buddy2: Scum reads early and votes

BBT likes to bus!
BBT has voted all of Frog/NM/Eira and pushed Frog yesterday.
It all points to Frog!scum.
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Post Post #1467 (isolation #142) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:16 pm

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Grib, Aisa and me?
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Post Post #1468 (isolation #143) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:17 pm

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Ugh
I'm getting bogged down trying to get through Grib and Eira's iso
this always happens. I leave the longer ISOs to last and then get tired before I get through them
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Post Post #1470 (isolation #144) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:22 pm

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In post 1469, Eiralox wrote:
In post 1467, Elements wrote:Grib, Aisa and me?
no comment.
why not?
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Post Post #1471 (isolation #145) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:24 pm

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In post 1462, Eiralox wrote:frog scummy but awol, like talking about bigfoot at this point.
You say you don't think talking about people who aren't active isn't particularly helpful yet aren't helpful now I'm trying to interact with you?
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Post Post #1473 (isolation #146) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:33 pm

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In post 1469, Eiralox wrote:
In post 1467, Elements wrote:Grib, Aisa and me?
no comment.
care to explain this part of your play style?
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Post Post #1477 (isolation #147) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:45 pm

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You are infuriating
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Post Post #1478 (isolation #148) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:46 pm

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What do you want to talk about?
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Post Post #1479 (isolation #149) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:48 pm

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warning for if we continue talking, there is a high chance I will just fall asleep
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Post Post #1481 (isolation #150) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:56 pm

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I really wanted BBT to flip. For similar reasons to why I want to flip frog today. I think the slot is scum and there's a lot of interactions to look at either way. At the start of day 2 I really thought we should've voted BBT out day 1.
As for why those 3:
Fire was my strongest town read
Grib had voted BBT before so there was a high chance of voting there again
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Post Post #1483 (isolation #151) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:08 pm

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Who are you thinking of voting today?
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Post Post #1485 (isolation #152) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:10 pm

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Boooo!
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Post Post #1486 (isolation #153) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:11 pm

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Is there anyone you're will to discuss with me?
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Post Post #1487 (isolation #154) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:11 pm

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*willing
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Post Post #1489 (isolation #155) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:14 pm

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So Enchant :P
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Post Post #1492 (isolation #156) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:15 pm

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I think I'm gonna sleep now
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Post Post #1493 (isolation #157) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:16 pm

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In post 1491, Eiralox wrote:
In post 1489, Elements wrote:So Enchant :P
what bout?
If Scum who the third?
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Post Post #1494 (isolation #158) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 1:16 pm

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Have good dreams
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Post Post #1499 (isolation #159) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 10:59 pm

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In post 1496, Bellaphant wrote:@elements, is your analysis the end wagons, or people who were on Ans off? I tried to find a helpful VC but realised they all ended up showing a fairly wrong picture of events.
It was any one who voted them
I was going for a "these people were willing to vote here" angle
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Post Post #1500 (isolation #160) » Sun Oct 30, 2022 11:01 pm

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In post 1497, Frogsterking wrote:I'm hoping the partner is implicated here. Will look closer when I wake up.
I'm excited to see where this goes!
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Post Post #1502 (isolation #161) » Mon Oct 31, 2022 9:17 am

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@Frog, where are your reads at with Aisa and Bella after the last couple of flips?
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Post Post #1503 (isolation #162) » Mon Oct 31, 2022 9:55 am

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In post 1045, Frogsterking wrote:I had some things to say that are better left unsaid.
Is it time for you to say them yet?
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Post Post #1510 (isolation #163) » Tue Nov 01, 2022 4:23 am

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In post 1509, Enchant wrote:Boo!
Seconded
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Post Post #1513 (isolation #164) » Tue Nov 01, 2022 4:49 am

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any reason for NM over Frog?
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Post Post #1518 (isolation #165) » Tue Nov 01, 2022 5:51 am

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In post 1515, Grib wrote:Once we kill the second mafia I’m not opposed to kicking NM out of the game next.
Are you opposed to kicking nm out the game before the second mafia and if so why?
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Post Post #1519 (isolation #166) » Tue Nov 01, 2022 5:55 am

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Me, Grib, Eira, Bella have all expressed interest in voting Frog again and we've still got 3 days left.
Short of waiting for frog to come and say something or nm doing literally anything. What is everyone interested in talking about for the rest of the day?
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Post Post #1520 (isolation #167) » Tue Nov 01, 2022 6:57 am

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Is it to early to ask frog to claim?
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Post Post #1523 (isolation #168) » Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:39 am

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Booooo!
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Post Post #1529 (isolation #169) » Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:01 pm

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it is E-2
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Post Post #1530 (isolation #170) » Tue Nov 01, 2022 1:03 pm

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In post 1528, Enchant wrote:Why i have bad feeling
Is it because you know Frog is going to flip town?
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Post Post #1558 (isolation #171) » Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:54 pm

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In post 1545, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 1520, Elements wrote:Is it to early to ask frog to claim?
This is role phishing
You're right. asking the person that is almost unanimously scumread to claim is phishing
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Post Post #1559 (isolation #172) » Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:02 pm

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In post 1546, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 1326, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Firebringer died last night. He was a
Spoiler:
Vanilla Townie
@everyone townreading Elements for D3


I'm assuming that the Fire kill was a failed TPR hunt. If anyone wants to challenge me on that claim then come at me.
Most of us are coming at you. Just because you thought Fire was cop with an inno on me doesn't mean anyone else did.

With that in mind, what do you think Elements is trying to accomplish on page 61 with this series of questions:
Spoiler:
In post 1502, Elements wrote:@Frog, where are your reads at with Aisa and Bella after the last couple of flips?
In post 1503, Elements wrote:
In post 1045, Frogsterking wrote:I had some things to say that are better left unsaid.
Is it time for you to say them yet?
In post 1513, Elements wrote:any reason for NM over Frog?
In post 1518, Elements wrote:
In post 1515, Grib wrote:Once we kill the second mafia I’m not opposed to kicking NM out of the game next.
Are you opposed to kicking nm out the game before the second mafia and if so why?
In post 1520, Elements wrote:Is it to early to ask frog to claim?


I'm not saying that any of you are stupid for not noticing this because IIRC I was one of the first to trust Elements on D1. I didn't find much reason to suspect Elements on D1 but I'm
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certainty that Elements is scum based on their D2 and D3 play. On D2 Elements is the best candidate to be a/the busser on BBT and on D3 Elements is trying to narrow down an investigative TPR. For example, in Elements is trying to figure out whether Grib specifically has an
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I can also say that I'm pretty sure (maybe
moderate
certainty) there is a scum roleblocker and I'm
low
certainty that Elements is the scum roleblocker.
Me trying to interact with you is not "narrowing down for a pr". You literally said yourself "if you want to read me talk to me not about me" I tried to do that and now you're calling me scum. You have given 0 reads these last 2 days except whoever is easiest to attack at the time, and Aisa. Hence me asking you about Aisa. As you
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Killing Fire as a TPR hunt and saying there's a mafia roleblocker reads as TMI to me.

Perhaps if you actually gave reads people would be less likely to want to vote you.
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Post Post #1560 (isolation #173) » Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:05 pm

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The number of buzz-words used in these last few posts is mad
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Post Post #1561 (isolation #174) » Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:08 pm

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In post 1045, Frogsterking wrote:I had some things to say that are better left unsaid.
Is it time for you to say them yet?[/quote]
You still haven't said what these things are/were
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Post Post #1562 (isolation #175) » Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:10 pm

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@eira as it's the topic of the day, what do you make of Frog's return?
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Post Post #1563 (isolation #176) » Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:28 pm

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So I've looked over a few of Frog's games and the only other game I found him saying things like "I think x is scum with high certainty" or any reads along those lines was a game in which he was SK. Didn't do it in any of the town or scum games I looked through.
I have no idea what this means
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Post Post #1565 (isolation #177) » Wed Nov 02, 2022 12:23 am

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In post 1551, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 1451, Elements wrote:Disclaimer: I'm going to treat myself as town for this analysis because that takes out a variable and makes this easier for me.
Okay here is what I was looking for earlier. The problem with the VCA Elements has presented is that it doesn't include the impact of their own vote on the wagon movements. I think this disclaimer is an example of lampshading which is NAI (I think?) What's scummy in Elements ISO is the use of VCA to explain their reads because it helps to project the image of being reasonable while not requiring any descriptions for how they feel about given players.
A point which is completely undermined by the fact I actually give reads in separate posts unlike you
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Post Post #1566 (isolation #178) » Wed Nov 02, 2022 12:27 am

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Frog's entire 'case' on me is that I'm TPR hunting because I've been asking people about their reads. That is literally all you do in mafia. Ask people about their reads. That's ALL there is to do. Frog is trying to push me on the basis of me playing the game.
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Post Post #1567 (isolation #179) » Wed Nov 02, 2022 12:27 am

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Apologies for the indignant mini-rant but I'm annoyed and wanted to get it out my system
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Post Post #1571 (isolation #180) » Wed Nov 02, 2022 1:15 am

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Everything you're saying is such garbage
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Post Post #1572 (isolation #181) » Wed Nov 02, 2022 1:16 am

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In post 1570, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 1569, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 1565, Elements wrote:
In post 1551, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 1451, Elements wrote:Disclaimer: I'm going to treat myself as town for this analysis because that takes out a variable and makes this easier for me.
Okay here is what I was looking for earlier. The problem with the VCA Elements has presented is that it doesn't include the impact of their own vote on the wagon movements. I think this disclaimer is an example of lampshading which is NAI (I think?) What's scummy in Elements ISO is the use of VCA to explain their reads because it helps to project the image of being reasonable while not requiring any descriptions for how they feel about given players.
A point which is completely undermined by the fact I actually give reads in separate posts unlike you
...says the active posting scum player to the lurking town slot who accuses them
Pings me back to this scum poster from one of my first games:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... &start=325

FMPOV Elements is acting like a deep scum who got caught off guard thanks to yours truly.
Jeez, get off your high horse and stop massaging your own ego
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Post Post #1573 (isolation #182) » Wed Nov 02, 2022 1:18 am

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Why are you not commenting of Grin's push on you?
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Post Post #1576 (isolation #183) » Wed Nov 02, 2022 1:35 am

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Grib's push on you started before mine and you haven't commented on that
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Post Post #1577 (isolation #184) » Wed Nov 02, 2022 1:36 am

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You've only mentioned the "stratigic" lurking argument which was not the basis for Grib's scum read on you, only a supporting theory
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Post Post #1579 (isolation #185) » Wed Nov 02, 2022 1:38 am

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In post 1538, Not_Mafia wrote:I'm ready
In post 1539, Enchant wrote:Ready as well.
This probably isn't the best thing to say but please put me out of my misery and vote Frog. He's really triggering me right now and I just want him to flip
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Post Post #1581 (isolation #186) » Wed Nov 02, 2022 1:38 am

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"oh look elements is trying to rush the Frog lim so he can't expose them as scum"
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Post Post #1582 (isolation #187) » Wed Nov 02, 2022 1:39 am

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In post 1580, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 1571, Elements wrote:Everything you're saying is such garbage
In post 1572, Elements wrote:Jeez, get off your high horse and stop massaging your own ego
CAUGHT SCUM CAUGHT SCUM
SCUM CAUGHT SCUM
CAUGHT
CAUGHT SCUM
If you could maybe go for a quick walk, off the edge of a cliff or something, I'd be very grateful
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Post Post #1584 (isolation #188) » Wed Nov 02, 2022 2:06 am

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Sorry Frog, I know this is how you have to play having rolled scum but it just really gets on my nerves
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Post Post #1639 (isolation #189) » Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:29 am

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I do not believe the doctor claim
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Post Post #1640 (isolation #190) » Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:30 am

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If frog is town, there is scum in [Grib/Bella]
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Post Post #1643 (isolation #191) » Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:32 am

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In post 1629, Grib wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: Elements
Why not NM?
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Post Post #1644 (isolation #192) » Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:32 am

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In post 1642, Grib wrote:
In post 1639, Elements wrote:I do not believe the doctor claim
Rationale?
I don't think frog is this bad at the game
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Post Post #1645 (isolation #193) » Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:33 am

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And you can crumb a role as scum
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Post Post #1647 (isolation #194) » Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:35 am

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In post 1628, Frogsterking wrote:Elements is a fucking busser
I despise you send your whole family
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Post Post #1649 (isolation #195) » Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:36 am

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What does macho mean?
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Post Post #1651 (isolation #196) » Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:38 am

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In post 1643, Elements wrote:
In post 1629, Grib wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: Elements
Why not NM?
Are you going to answer this?
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Post Post #1652 (isolation #197) » Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:38 am

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In post 1650, Grib wrote:Cannot be protected.
Ugh
UNVOTE:
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Post Post #1654 (isolation #198) » Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:40 am

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Vig, shoot Grib tonight
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Post Post #1656 (isolation #199) » Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:40 am

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Then I'm thinking it's NM or Bella
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