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RVS VOTE: Aisa because Aisa-what-she-did-there.
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I have some ideas for changes I'd like to implement so this will likely be the last time I use this version of the SSS. I promise to protect the secrets of your mind and keep our dreams of finding scum alive. Don't miss your last chance to fill it out!
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Rate each descriptive statement on how well it describes you using the Likert scale (1 = strongly disagree to 5 = strongly agree).
"Get angry easily" =
"Take charge" =
"Make people feel welcome" =
"Like music" =
"Like to tidy up" =
"Like to visit new places" =
"Feel comfortable around people" =
"Interested in many things" =
"Love order and regularity" =
"Am afraid to draw attention to myself" =
"Enjoy being part of a large crowd" =
"Cheer people up" =
"Lose my temper" =
"Enjoy the beauty of nature" =
"Enjoy thinking about things" =
"Cheat to get ahead" =
"Feel desperate" =
"Rarely overindulge" =
"Easily resist temptations" =
"Have a high opinion of myself" =
"Waste my time" =
"Need a push to get started" =
"Have little to contribute" =
"Keep my cool" =
"Avoid crowds" =
"Turn my back on others" =Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
Terry: ...Thanks.- Frogsterking
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Thank you!In post 17, Bellaphant wrote:VOTE: asia
"Get angry easily" =4
"Take charge" =5
"Make people feel welcome" =5
"Like music" =4
"Like to tidy up" =3
"Like to visit new places" =5
"Feel comfortable around people" = 4
"Interested in many things" =4
"Love order and regularity" =3
"Am afraid to draw attention to myself" =2
"Enjoy being part of a large crowd" =2
"Cheer people up" =4
"Lose my temper" =4
"Enjoy the beauty of nature" =5
"Enjoy thinking about things" =4
"Cheat to get ahead" =1
"Feel desperate" =2
"Rarely overindulge" =3
"Easily resist temptations" =4
"Have a high opinion of myself" =4
"Waste my time" =3
"Need a push to get started" =2
"Have little to contribute" =2
"Keep my cool" =3
"Avoid crowds" =2
"Turn my back on others" =1
Those answers make a lot of sense based on my games with you. I think you have a similar temperament as Morning Tweet.
I had two theories about Town play for players who are both agreeable and extraverted. Your answers that indicate this for example:
Agreeable
"Make people feel welcome" =5
"Turn my back on others" =1
"Cheat to get ahead" =1
Extraverted
"Avoid crowds" =2
"Cheer people up" =4
"Feel comfortable around people" = 4
My theories are that when you're Town (and maybe scum too) you tend to rarely get scum read for your tone, and that your scum hunting skews toward establishing a Town core and finding reasons to trust certain slots, versus finding reasons to distrust certain slots and fleshing out the bottom of the PoE.
Are either of my theories true for you in your experience?
Also, you might care Klick happened to fill out this version of the survey too in a completed game:
I went back and checked his answers because I was curious lol. You guys are both high in openness to experience (intellectual curiosity, fantasy, aesthetic sensitivity, adventure, feelings) and agreeableness (compassion, cooperation, trust, honesty.)In post 1386, Klick wrote:
I've not read the payoff, have funIn post 481, Frogsterking wrote:Rate each descriptive statement on how well it describes you using the Likert scale (1 = strongly disagree to 5 = strongly agree).
"Get angry easily" = 4
"Take charge" = 1
"Make people feel welcome" = 4
"Like music" = 5
"Like to tidy up" = 1
"Like to visit new places" = 5
"Feel comfortable around people" = 1
"Interested in many things" = 2
"Love order and regularity" = 4
"Am afraid to draw attention to myself" = 5
"Enjoy being part of a large crowd" = 1
"Cheer people up" = 4
"Lose my temper" = 2
"Enjoy the beauty of nature" = 4
"Enjoy thinking about things" = 5
"Cheat to get ahead" = 2
"Feel desperate" = 3
"Rarely overindulge" = 1
"Easily resist temptations" = 1
"Have a high opinion of myself" = 2
"Waste my time" = 5
"Need a push to get started" = 5
"Have little to contribute" = 2
"Keep my cool" = 4
"Avoid crowds" = 5
"Turn my back on others" = 1
PEdit
I'm reading Firebringer as scummy by tone. It would help if you filled out my survey, Fire.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
Terry: ...Thanks.- Frogsterking
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Okay I'll fill it out and you can tell me if anything is different. You were in a few games I read and I think we have a pretty identical temperament.In post 28, Firebringer wrote:
i generally don't like being helpful so i will politely refuse.In post 26, Frogsterking wrote:I'm reading Firebringer as scummy by tone. It would help if you filled out my survey, Fire.
hows ur day frogsterBruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
Terry: ...Thanks.- Frogsterking
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PEditIn post 14, Frogsterking wrote:Rate each descriptive statement on how well it describes you using the Likert scale (1 = strongly disagree to 5 = strongly agree).
"Get angry easily" = 5
"Take charge" = 2
"Make people feel welcome" = 2
"Like music" = 5
"Like to tidy up" = 1
"Like to visit new places" = 5
"Feel comfortable around people" = 1
"Interested in many things" = 5
"Love order and regularity" = 2
"Am afraid to draw attention to myself" = 4
"Enjoy being part of a large crowd" = 2
"Cheer people up" = 2
"Lose my temper" = 5
"Enjoy the beauty of nature" = 5
"Enjoy thinking about things" = 5
"Cheat to get ahead" = 4
"Feel desperate" = 5
"Rarely overindulge" = 1
"Easily resist temptations" = 1
"Have a high opinion of myself" = 4
"Waste my time" = 5
"Need a push to get started" = 5
"Have little to contribute" = 2
"Keep my cool" = 1
"Avoid crowds" = 5
"Turn my back on others" = 5
That's boring of you and yes I'm a shady sonna' bitchBruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
Terry: ...Thanks.- Frogsterking
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It had to be done: they were carrying a lethal flesh eating virus and it was highly contagious. I saved us all.In post 16, Thestatusquo wrote:Here's my survey. Why did you kill the innocent townsfolk last night?
In post 18, Eiralox wrote:In post 14, Frogsterking wrote: "Get angry easily" = penguin
"Take charge" = tesla
"Make people feel welcome" = 832
"Like music" = no who does
"Like to tidy up" = no i tidy down
"Like to visit new places" = 0528
"Feel comfortable around people" = 02546897
"Interested in many things" = -09766
"Love order and regularity" = absolutely
"Am afraid to draw attention to myself" = 420
"Enjoy being part of a large crowd" = im a fish
"Cheer people up" = p00568909
"Lose my temper" = 0780790u
"Enjoy the beauty of nature" = 0980709j8
"Enjoy thinking about things" = o9j09
"Cheat to get ahead" = uvf6556d4
"Feel desperate" = kiuj98i
"Rarely overindulge" = ,kjui77
"Easily resist temptations" = kh7g68
"Have a high opinion of myself" = uiy9898
"Waste my time" = u6f576c5
"Need a push to get started" = i76897b
"Have little to contribute" = l897h8
"Keep my cool" = kb76g
"Avoid crowds" = kuh7
"Turn my back on others" = o9n8
Aww would you look at that; we've got two peas in a pod.In post 19, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
Hope this helpsIn post 14, Frogsterking wrote: "Get angry easily" = Eye Of The Storm - Ace Combat 3: Electrosphere
"Take charge" = Order Yet Undeciphered - Final Fantasy XIV
"Make people feel welcome" = String Theocracy - Mili
"Like music" = Enjoy The Silence - Depeche Mode
"Like to tidy up" = Besessenheit - SaGa Frontier 2
"Like to visit new places" = Inheritors of Light - Fire Emblem: Genealogy of the Holy War
"Feel comfortable around people" = Day Scanner - Susumu Hirasawa
"Interested in many things" = eScape - Final Fantasy XIV
"Love order and regularity" = Powerlines - Tame Impala
"Am afraid to draw attention to myself" = Misty Rain - Megaman ZX
"Enjoy being part of a large crowd" = The Hounds - The Protomen
"Cheer people up" = A Solitude That Asks Nothing In Return - Guilty Gear X
"Lose my temper" = Inner Shade - The King of Fighters 2000
"Enjoy the beauty of nature" = Harmonious Rock Rhyming Six Sentences - Samurai Shodown 2
"Enjoy thinking about things" = 耀く針の小人族 ~ Little Princess - Touhou 14: Double Dealing Character
"Cheat to get ahead" = Collision Chaos Present (JP) - Sonic CD
"Feel desperate" = Narcissus - Jon Hare
"Rarely overindulge" = Raiten Menimemo - One Journo's Menimemoism - The Great Ace Attorney 2: Resolve
"Easily resist temptations" = Mechanized Memories - Armored Core: Verdict Day
"Have a high opinion of myself" = Der Kommissar - After The Fire
"Waste my time" = ORIENTATION - group_inou
"Need a push to get started" = Crucifix Held Close - Castlevania: Portrait of Ruin
"Have little to contribute" = Subversive Awareness - Battle Garegga
"Keep my cool" = sea of cloud - Nujabes
"Avoid crowds" = Battle -dancing crazy murder- - Shin Megami Tensei V
"Turn my back on others" = Russia On Ice - Porcupine TreeBruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
Terry: ...Thanks.- Frogsterking
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Will you fill one out?In post 45, Firebringer wrote:can we spoiler these quotes of the long personality tests posts so its easier for me to skip over it.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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If the reads are logical based can you explain them, and if it's intuition based can you quote where it started and describe the feeling?In post 36, Aisa wrote:I like Eira and Frog for early page 2 townreads.
I was going to say you're towny, too, but scratch that, I guess ;3In post 24, Firebringer wrote:
seeing the playerlist this game probably wouldn't be amazingly fun in anyways.In post 22, Firebringer wrote:god i got town. this game is going to be boring
[...]Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
Terry: ...Thanks.- Frogsterking
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VOTE: FirebringerIn post 49, Firebringer wrote:i also want to say its not like i hate or dislike the playerlist. As you say i feel kind of meh to it because im not close to any and i don't feel my personality meshes with a few players here. So it feels like it will be a game i will enjoy less, which isn't a slight to anyone thats just my personal problem.
Sounds like an excuse to not have reads.
Also I've found empirically that scum are more likely to deliberately avoid filling out my survey and act dismissive toward it.
Here you're talking about personality clashes being important to you but you're acting aloof toward filling out my survey which would verify or reject the idea that personality clashes are a legit thing here.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
Terry: ...Thanks.- Frogsterking
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In post 54, Grib wrote:I changed my mind a bit. Frog is sus, but not quite scum yet.I feel like this is +town for Grib, this is like the quintessential townie reaction to playing with me for the first time.
Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
Terry: ...Thanks.- Frogsterking
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Aside from the questions these are all the usual beats of a townie trying really hard to sort my slot. I've been described as too-scummy-to-be-scum sounding a lot. Like, a lot.In post 64, Grib wrote:Okay, now you feel almost too scummy to be scum.
Will you tell me about your playstyle? How you tend to handle the early- mid-, and late-game? Why do people who don't know you typically scumread you, and if someone had experience with you, what would they think of your posts so far?
Sorry for the rapid-fire questions, but you intrigue me.
For your questions, I have very good reads early and hit scum D1 a lot. I mostly ask questions, set up a PoE and analyze isos. So my early play is very competent. Actually, I think my early game is very good.
The problem is that other than that I tend to play pretty bad.
I'd describe my mid game (or even immediately after setting up a PoE) play as: I freak out and go on tilt and throw the game.
I think my endgame play is messy too because I can figure out who did it by then but my tilt/paranoia/tinfoil are bad for closing out games.
My adaptation recently has been to try and play to my strengths and call multiple scum D1 and push one of them through so I get killed N1 and aren't around to throw the game later.
As for why I think I'm constantly scum read by tone, I have a theory that people who are introverted (low happiness, low assertiveness), neurotic (in my case anxious, angry, vulnerable) and very disagreeable (competitive, suspicious of others) are likely to be scum read by tone when Town. I mostly believe this because I realized that other players who have a similar temperament are frequently getting pushed as scum by strangers in their games as well.
Now with that said, what about you, Grib? What is your playstyle like in the early, mid and late game, and do you often get scum read for your tone as Town?Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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In post 73, Firebringer wrote:ii played a game with him, read another game with him. if i understood his mind i would share it better with you. If i gave you a generic profile i would say expect him to go back and forth very fast and be very invested into reads one moment and then move just as quickly to something else, and that his reasoning and logic are very hard to tract often.
I would say maybe best way to find him to be town because i haven't seen his scum game is probably his lack of care of how he is perceived and this early game interactions def gives me feeling he is caring how he looks. idk too early to tell. Early gut scum feels.
I think this is probably Town withIn post 74, Firebringer wrote:its weird i have early game scum reads on two players.
aisa and frog.
This is so unusuallowcertainty. There's a lack of contempt that I would expect to be here if this were intended as shade and I can see town!Fire thinking this is true. I can also see town!Fire viewing Aisa as scummy even though I think the opposite and amlowcertain his read is wrong and Aisa is Town.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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I was going to scum case Elements but I think they're reads are tracking. It's interesting that they chose to put Bella above null. I was feeling that earlier but I couldn't really rationalize it.In post 76, Elements wrote:Above the Line
Firebringer
Frog
Grib
Bellaphant
The Line-------Eiralox, NM, Enchant, Firth, TSQ, BBT
HighPrincess
Aisa
Below the Line
Town leans:
Fire
Grib
Aisa
ElementsBruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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VOTE: highprincess
This is probably a scum fliplowcertainty. I don't really see any other candidates in the active posters. I imagine the active posters are all Town and the other scum haven't posted anything AI yet.
IIoAIn post 57, HighPrincessErinys wrote:Jeez, we're moving fast AND bringing along a foul mood or two.
ShadeIn post 65, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
Definitely feeling it cause like. It's just a smidge bit weird to this one to post a giant personality survey and probe people who don't answer it. Like yeah, if it works it works but like.In post 61, Frogsterking wrote:In post 54, Grib wrote:I changed my mind a bit. Frog is sus, but not quite scum yet.I feel like this is +town for Grib, this is like the quintessential townie reaction to playing with me for the first time.
Man! Kinda quirked... Not the biggest fan.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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I don't think I can really do anything else. I thought about scum leaning Shea but I don't think I can rationalize that either.
Alllowcertainty, no order
Town lean:
Aisa
Grib
Fire
Elements
Scum lean:
Princess
Null:
Everybody elseBruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Calm downIn post 93, Firebringer wrote:And frankly u dodged my question on if you believed what u were posting or were just doing it too look townie or reaction test me. It seems the lack of answer and leaving it so fast indicates yes but i don't know with you so what is it.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
Terry: ...Thanks.- Frogsterking
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In post 62, Firebringer wrote:there is a gut feeling i have that ur doing things right now to try to get townread that feels out of character frog.
are u really that interested in getting the game going or what
Yeah I feel like this is all accurate. I think you can probably read me pretty well.In post 63, Firebringer wrote:feels like ur doing and saying stuff to generate conversation rather than believing it in any of itBruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Uhh I'll have to checkIn post 96, Firebringer wrote:why is aisa townBruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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I used to scum read people for posting early reads like this but I was always wrong. I guess it's mostly intuition. My feeling this post reminded me of was sorting a town!Malakittens early.In post 36, Aisa wrote:I like Eira and Frog for early page 2 townreads.
I was going to say you're towny, too, but scratch that, I guess ;3In post 24, Firebringer wrote:
seeing the playerlist this game probably wouldn't be amazingly fun in anyways.In post 22, Firebringer wrote:god i got town. this game is going to be boring
[...]Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
Terry: ...Thanks.- Frogsterking
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It wasn't a part of why I town lean them but I used to scum read for posts like this too and it was always wrong.
Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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This is probably the real point to towneead them though because they're trying to sort you here I thinkIn post 36, Aisa wrote:In post 24, Firebringer wrote:
seeing the playerlist this game probably wouldn't be amazingly fun in anyways.In post 22, Firebringer wrote:god i got town. this game is going to be boring
[...]I was going to say you're towny, too, but scratch that, I guess ;3Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
Terry: ...Thanks.- Frogsterking
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You think I'm wrong Town binning Aisa? Can you meta them?In post 105, Firebringer wrote:posts 5 and 6 are openning rvs that mean nothing.
I don't see point in arguing this right now though so will refrain from pushing this further.
I think ur wrong right now but until i get a good case going not worth arguing overBruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
Terry: ...Thanks.- Frogsterking
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You're speaking from experience though? I have not played with them before, only in games they've modded I think.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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OkayIn post 111, Firebringer wrote:i have played one game with aisa. I am not making a case now i don't have one. I am not saying this is a meta read either. If you want to call it anything its gut. That is why i said lets have this discussion later because theres not much for me to discuss.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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I doubt others will comment on it, you may as well spill what you have to say.In post 115, Grib wrote:I do like Frog's response to me here but I really did not like the snap-Firebringer vote, which I'll explain a little bit later. I'm interested to see in what people have to say about it.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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I can definitely relate to this.In post 115, Grib wrote:I used to have a bad habit of tunneling villagers Day 1 for early scum pings, so now I try to hang back, lob questions, not get too fixated on anything, and silently build a rough PoE to refine Day 2 and onwards. I like having a lot of interactions with as many people as possible, because Day 1 is the most important phase to me.
If I see someone else doing this then I tend to hang back and clear the arguing pairs as TvT. If no one is doing that and I feel like nothing is happening I will lay into people based on pings and ask others for feedback if our argument looks TvT, and if I get told yes then I Town them regardless of how I feel.
My rationale for this is that it's really Pro town to have like 1 knucklehead go around accusing people because it helps everyone else get their early reads, and if no one else is doing that then I feel like it's best for me to do it myself and try to mitigate my bias as much as possible.
My general impression is that you are a more risk-averse player than I am, FWIW.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Well I--In post 117, Grib wrote:I meant, what peopel have to say about it when I lay out the reasons. But you're right, I don't think I'm going to get much out of waiting.
The problems I have with that vote are
1) it was waaay too early to accuse Firebringer of not wanting to have reads.
2) it was also too early to accuse scum of not wanting to fill out your survey - barely half the game had posted at that time.
3) you didn't explain why scum would or would not interact with your quiz.
4) I purposefully ignored your quiz to see what you would do about it, and you didn't react at all, which makes me think that 2 was complete bull.
5) you townreading me right after that felt appease-y.
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Yeah I mean fire is probably scumIn post 126, Firebringer wrote:you act like 6 pages is a lot. i remember the times waking up to 50 pages of postsBruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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This is a lie BTW the game you played with me we were both scumIn post 73, Firebringer wrote:ii played a game with him, read another game with him. if i understood his mind i would share it better with you. If i gave you a generic profile i would say expect him to go back and forth very fast and be very invested into reads one moment and then move just as quickly to something else, and that his reasoning and logic are very hard to tract often.
I would say maybe best way to find him to be town because i haven't seen his scum game is probably his lack of care of how he is perceived and this early game interactions def gives me feeling he is caring how he looks. idk too early to tell. Early gut scum feels.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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I can't believe I missed thatIn post 130, Frogsterking wrote:
This is a lie BTW the game you played with me we were both scumIn post 73, Firebringer wrote:ii played a game with him, read another game with him. if i understood his mind i would share it better with you. If i gave you a generic profile i would say expect him to go back and forth very fast and be very invested into reads one moment and then move just as quickly to something else, and that his reasoning and logic are very hard to tract often.
I would say maybe best way to find him to be town because i haven't seen his scum game is probably his lack of care of how he is perceived and this early game interactions def gives me feeling he is caring how he looks. idk too early to tell. Early gut scum feels.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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This is a bald-faced freaking lie. Fire knows exactly what my scum game looks like: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=88946In post 73, Firebringer wrote:ii played a game with him, read another game with him. if i understood his mind i would share it better with you. If i gave you a generic profile i would say expect him to go back and forth very fast and be very invested into reads one moment and then move just as quickly to something else, and that his reasoning and logic are very hard to tract often.
I would say maybe best way to find him to be town because i haven't seen his scum game is probably his lack of care of how he is perceived and this early game interactions def gives me feeling he is caring how he looks. idk too early to tell. Early gut scum feels.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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In post 134, Firebringer wrote:Which game was that. I don't think ive played scum in like half a year and def don't remember u being my teammate
CAUGHT SCUMIn post 135, Firebringer wrote:what do you know we did play scum together.
its all coming back to me. your scum game really was bad if memory serves me right in that
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CAUGHT SCUM CAUGHT SCUM
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I'm moving Princess back up to null:
Town lean:
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Fire spewed Aisa as Town.
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That's AtE. You freaking lied to Grib about our meta so you could post your hedgey nothingwaffle read on me instead of telling him I'm way out of my scumrange. The fact you lied to Grib spews him as Town too.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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I don't agree withIn post 143, Grib wrote:I think it's safe to assume people don't lie about easily verifiable and very public information. There's literally no point. What, was he banking on you not remembering?
"I think it's safe to assume people don't lie about easily verifiable information" people do that all the time and I disagree that's a "safe" assumption especially. And in
mafia I've seen scum lie about more trivial things out of convenience when it had no long term strategic benefit and then not face any consequences when they were discovered because it gets buried under wifomy reasoning like "they wouldn't do that it's too easy to check."
And to answer your question, I don't think it was calculated, I think it was just inconvenient when you asked him about my play for him to have to tell you
"I played scum with him recently and he is garbage, he's probably Town here" and allow us to consolidate a Town core together. I think if anything, he banked on no one taking it seriously if he happened to get called out on it.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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[citation needed]In post 145, Thestatusquo wrote:
In my limited understanding of frogster he doesnt tend to care about what is likely to be true very much.In post 143, Grib wrote:I think it's safe to assume people don't lie about easily verifiable and very public information. There's literally no point. What, was he banking on you not remembering?Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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I agree it's stupid. Well, I don't it's stupid I think it's lazy. Here's scum lying about their meta which is easily verifiable just to dodge question they didn't like:In post 151, Grib wrote:
That's stupid. If he was going to lie, he could've just said he didn't remember. He didn't even have to bring up that he's played with you before, he did that voluntarily.In post 146, Frogsterking wrote:
I don't agree withIn post 143, Grib wrote:I think it's safe to assume people don't lie about easily verifiable and very public information. There's literally no point. What, was he banking on you not remembering?
"I think it's safe to assume people don't lie about easily verifiable information" people do that all the time and I disagree that's a "safe" assumption especially. And in
mafia I've seen scum lie about more trivial things out of convenience when it had no long term strategic benefit and then not face any consequences when they were discovered because it gets buried under wifomy reasoning like "they wouldn't do that it's too easy to check."
And to answer your question, I don't think it was calculated, I think it was just inconvenient when you asked him about my play for him to have to tell you
"I played scum with him recently and he is garbage, he's probably Town here" and allow us to consolidate a Town core together. I think if anything, he banked on no one taking it seriously if he happened to get called out on it.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13434660
Enchant is the only one who calls them out on it and that scum lived until like Day 4 in that game. That's the game that made me finally start taking it seriously when players do this.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13480102In post 154, Firebringer wrote:I don't see how that game anyway takes u out of ur scum game here because i would hope u improved since then.
My most recent scumgame.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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I'm not being ironic, I think it's stupid you expect me to believe you love playing scum so much, remembered this game (as your last scum game), remembered you've played ONE game with me, and somehow you tell Grib that you think I might be scum because you've never seen my scum game before.In post 159, Firebringer wrote:wait frogster, quick sanity check for me.
do u seriously believe this about me lying to grib about our past in order to....hide our history or something and this is scum motivated.
Cause honestly i thought this was another thing to just push more pointless conversation forward as you desperately seem like you want to just have people engage.
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YES GRIB my divergent meta is NOT something scum want to bring up because it helps Town sort me.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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+1 Elements take on Grib's case on me
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Good questions. I'll get back to you l8r bby
See belowIn post 247, Aisa wrote:I've since done a quick Frog meta check and I agree they are more LAMISTy than their completed town game I checked, and I think that's concerning
Generate information. That game you looked at I replaced into a widely townread slot on D4 IIRC which is a terrible point of comparison. Not only did I replace into a widely townread slot, I replaced into Fire's widely townread slot, so I imagine Fire was referring to that same game earlier when he said he read a game of mine.In post 230, Aisa wrote:is Frog admitting he is trying to look town or is he saying he is trying to generate conversation? Frog?
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VOTE: Erinys
I'm sheeping Bella's take that Fire forgetting that game is nai. I reflected and decided that Fire and I could be TvT here.
In post 220, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
We still have like 8 days to come to a decision, y'know.In post 215, Enchant wrote:Game i staling, let's make decision already and end day.
Just was not particularly keen on how BBT went about their vote. Also would prefer if you used this one's preferred pronouns, please.In post 217, Solway Firth wrote:As for HPE, I scumread her to reasons previously stated. I also don’t like how she voted BBT, and her tone is very off.
As for other matters, this one is considering a vote on Frogster. Definitely echo the idea of appeasement, and just in general didn't really like his tone during the already weird accusation and subsequent vote based on Fire lying about meta. Going to wait on that for the time being. For now: A vague reads list because only like 3 people are actually posting frequently.
Townlean:
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Scumlean:
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Enchant
Other than Frog being genuinely kind of "hm." none of these very concrete. Everyone else is about neutral right now, and definitely subject to change once people actually start getting to talking.
I'm pretty sure this is a scum slot.Lowcertainty. The townlean on Shea with no explanation is bad and doesn't track for me; the scumlean on Enchant with no explanation is bad and doesn't track for me. This feels like scum setting up a fake read progression on me in conjunction with an earlier shade post they made on me.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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I +1 ElementsIn post 275, Grib wrote:The whole point of my "case" on Frog was that those things bothered me, I asked Frog to clarify, and he actively chose not to. That certainly isn't townie, and kind of lends credence to my theory that Frog isn't town.
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I think your case comes from a town mindset. I don't think your points necessarily point towards Frog scum though. I can see Frog!town wanting to sort Fire and so not paying as much attention to others doing the same, and I think Frog and Fire's early interactions point in this direction.In post 234, Grib wrote:Sooo… I made a case for Frog being scum.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Townie indignation fyiIn post 277, Grib wrote:So with that in mind (the main point in my mind being that Frog is Hard To Read but Catches Scum Pretty Early), I, a villager that knows next to nothing, notice some patterns in a couple of Frog's posts and I lay them out all nice and neat to see if Frog can explain why he did the things he did. He quotes the post but doesn't address anything. Several pages go by and still, nothing. What am I supposed to make of that?@Shea
Shea have you ever been BoPed before?Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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IDK, someone posted that in reply to me once and I thought it was funny.In post 283, Grib wrote:So why didn't you say so when you acknowledged my post?
I didn't have this purpose in mind, but I'm glad that I answered how I did because it gave Elements the chance to say what they did and because I think your indignation about it now is Townie FWIWBruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Shade also. Missed this part.In post 220, HighPrincessErinys wrote:Just was not particularly keen on how BBT went about their vote. Also would prefer if you used this one's preferred pronouns, please.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Thank you for this by the wayIn post 277, Grib wrote:I'm not going to try to justify things in term of what town!Frog would do and what scum!Frog would do. That's meta; I've never played with Frog in my life and I have no intention of doing a meta dive. I asked for a brief summary of his playstyle, and some other people have chimed in, and that's what I'm working with.
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Wait before I go can you clarify why you townleaned Bella in your initial reads list?In post 290, Elements wrote:Do people not look at the pronouns of others?Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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HE HIMIn post 0, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Frogsterking [he/him]
*crash* *stomp*
Enchant can you talk about your Aisa read? I've not seen this level of D1 aggression from you before.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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EBWOPIn post 311, Frogsterking wrote:
HE HIMIn post 0, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Frogsterking [he/him]
*crash* *stomp*
Enchant can you talk about your Aisa read? I've not seen this level of D1 aggression from you before.
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Ok. What about Erinys?
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